justice system. then the second thing is i think in donald trump's mind he doesn't think he has done anything wrong. and so i think both of those point to him thinking that if he just sits down with bob mueller he can sort of go manno a manno like a new york real estate deal and come out the better half. i think donald trump has not figured out that going up against the full weight of the -- mortgage deal on a new york city office building. >> maybe he doesn't know what -- i don't know obstruction -- you think -- he doesn't understand michael what obstruction is and maybe if he is actually even done it? i'm not saying he has. but do you think that's the case michael? >> i'm not sure i agree it's right to sell the president short in respect of his failure to understand the importance of
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