through that interview in a way that he comes out in a way that is positive for him depends in large part on what the substance of the interviews will be. >> what happens if the president declines to sit for the interview? >> i think it's a real possibility. to me it's still an open question whether the special counsel would issue a subpoena. so to me, i think it's incredibly likely the special counsel will end the inquiry into trump with a report, without issuing criminal charges, because there's an existing doj policy right now that says you can't charge the sitting president. mueller is bound by all the existing doj policies. if that's the case, it seems to me that mueller needs to get donald trump's version of events. it's really not a complete story. it's not the full picture of what happened, it's not the truth of what happened without it. i think it is very possible that mueller would go the next step to issue a subpoena. it's hard to say given i think 100% mueller will want him to come in voluntarily and will do anything he can to get there, but i personally believe that faced with the prospect if we