not seem to be the place with this much controversy. now you have him leaving town. making more -- not leaving town, but the position. and now folks out to get him. makes it difficult to separate the back and worth and figure out how this all went down. i thought it was interesting. rex tillerson on his way out noted this was a mean spirited town. it seems there are hard feelings left at the end of the cabinet officials tenures. >> indeed. >> was this about privatization which shulkin focuses on or is this about the travel and bad press or all of the above? >> it is really hard to say, michelle, as this point. all -- at this point. all of the above is a safe answer. the privatization issue is complicated because it is something that always has been there in the sense there are
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