writer at 538, perry. people will hear that report and say, the deputy campaign chair had contact with russian intelligence. is that what's significant here a? is it b, more proof that robert mueller has deep knowledge of what's going on here, c, rick gates is cooperating, maybe that's the importance here or maybe d none of the above. >> or all of the above. we first of all have a case where lying has been uncovered throughout this investigation. when it came to manafort and gates and their past ties with russians, it had always been in the past, when we worked in the ukraine, before we started working with the trump organization and the trump campaign. fast forward to this news overnight, working with the former gru officer, russian military intelligence -- and by the way, he still had contact with current russian military intelligence, took place during the 2016 campaign. that's putting these two gentlemen high up the ladder in the trump campaign right there
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