this mix of the spending that he's proposing. >> where are the states going to get it from? given what you ran down? the states don't have money for this. the states don't have the money. the public private partnerships, sometimes they work, but they are very inconsistent. we have done partnerships like that, but can it be effective and can you get it done? the democrats will be looking for jobs, job training, entrepreneurship training and education, so that we can get our -- not only our voters, but the communities of color back to work so that there is a real increase in employment in those communities. >> what do you think? >> i think you're right, the swamp gets bigger and bigger every day. the add-ones make a simple project cost more, more complicated, but the process is what the process is. you're never going to corral 60 senators, corral 218 congressmen to move something unless there is a little self-interest. so it is sort of how the process works, where you're buying off a lot of people, but those people's interests are the

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