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he lied under oath. so i think trump has an understanding of the difference and the importance of, you know, of restraining himself in that setting. >> if this does go to court and ultimately the supreme court, how long would it take? would it go into the 2018 campaigns? >> boy, you're talking about three levels of appeals. it would go to a district court, the dc circuit court of appeals, and then the united states supreme court. it's hard for me to imagine that could get done in less than three or four months. >> those are the two equities, right? you don't want to put him under oath, but you also don't want to drag it out. they're hoping for this to end as quickly as possible. it's not inconceivable the obstruction phase could be over in the summer maybe, but if you have this big legal fight over whether you're going to talk or not t stretches it out. >> the fact they want to talk to the president does indicate they're at the end of some aspect of it because you wouldn't bring the president in -- >> that's right. >> -- early on in an investigation. >> that's right. remember also that mueller is subject to the department of

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