so if i were democrats, and i was acting cynically. i'd say, here's $5 billion for a wall. go to it. it's not going to be built in a year. >> it's not going to be a wall. it's going to be fencing. >> and if you take congress 2019, you can pull it back. so the thing is, the amnesty, it will happen immediately and once it's written into law, it will never be taken away. but a wall is like a ten-year project. the secure fence act of 2006, didn't happen. >> i have to run, i'm suffering a terrible cold. what was the crux of your column today? >> it was very compelling, don. i recommend you read it. it was in politico, and i just -- i argue at greater length, the point i just made, democrats want to get this deal, give them something on the wall. >> thank you, rich lowery. i won't shake your hand, because i don't want to give you this. when we come back, much more on the president's plan for immigration overhaul.
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