after castro being gone about whether or not that place is better off without the castros, with a real democracy? >> well, i think we're -- since we have spent 45 years, we looked at this under a very, very long time line. so if you look at the cuba under batista and the changes the castros initiated, those are useful changes. the real tragedy is that the ideals, things that i agree with, i think that you might agree with, universal free education, better health care for everybody, the island. they never really got a chance to put into practice. there were some early years back in the '70s when fidel bet everything on the sugar crop. the sugar prices were at an all-time high. the money was flowing in. they were building schools, hospitals. they were doing the type of stuff that we want to do here in our country. then the united states took, and we dumped our sugar reserves on the world market, crashed the sugar price, blew the bottom out of the cuban economy. the soviet union collapsed, 85%