the core is the young woman who grew up as a child in baltimore, the daughter of a mayor, a ward politician. you ask her what did you learn about politics growing up. she's very blunt about it. she said, i learned how to count. meaning she knows where to find the votes. and that's why she's so durable. she is a tremendous organizer, a tremendous strategist. she's certainly, i don't think there would have been an affordable care act without nancy pelosi. so this depiction of her as some kind of airy fairy, san francisco liberal is so far from the reality of who she is as a politician. and people have constantly underestimated her because of it. >> we're not going to give it all the way for free. she had a very interesting response to a question that i thought was fair. i would have asked of nancy pelosi, roll that exchange for david axelrod.

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