could have pierced those doors, and in a subject like this, you need speed, surprise, which they didn't have, they couldn't have, violence of action and a fail-sale breach. getting him was the most important thing. >> a lot went into that window of examining in terms of multiple reports. having it at such a remote place, and knowing you were dealing with a madman and a canyon on the oth cannon on the other side. thank you very much. >> you are welcome. we're dealing with that part of the investigation. of course it matters how he got the guns and of course there's a discussion to be had. you should have it in the moment like this because this is when people are listening. but who survived? how they did it?