media, especially facebook, not everyone included among the trump critics. false stories are spread. people need know what is the state of play? what is known, what is guessed at and what is probably untrue? >> i do a lot of interviews with die-hard trump supporters and they say yeah i'm sure russia meddled. it's not the first time. they do this. they do it to other countries and, by the way, other countries do it, too, and by the way the u.s. meddles in other people's elections. how are you going to get them to pay attention to what people have compiled? >> what you said is true but it's also true that the level of their intrusion into our democracy is greater than it has ever been before and they have succeeded. in past times, they've always tried to spread propaganda. now they've actually succeeded.