with this, it is rare and they used this word, it is extremely rare to find dna or fingerprint on a weapon even though they know the individual handled the weapon. so, the absence of dna means nothing. we don't leave -- >> but does the presence of it mean something? >> it proves what jason said he did. he unload ed the weapon. picked it up and unloaded it. he said he did that before any of this became an issue. but the absence of dna means nothing. three dna experts testified, erin, on behalf of the state. not the defense experts. these were the state's experts. that you can draw no conclusions from the absence of dna. and what they said was and judge wilson focused on was the fact that there's no dna doesn't mean that the person didn't handle the gun. it just means there's no dna. it doesn't mean anything else. and no conclusions can be drawn. that's not me being an advocate. >> i understand.
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