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i was meeting with some of gadhafi's top advisers. i got to know them pretty well during that period. come the arab spring 2011, this is after moammar gadhafi has decided to give up his nuclear weapons to be rehabilitated into the international community, close relationships with the british government, helping the united states and the british on counterterrorism, giving up his own sort of terrorist leanings and supportings. that when the push was coming to shove, was nato going to come out against gadhafi or not, when i was talking to his son and his advisers, they could not believe that the west would go against moammar gadhafi because they thought they had trust, because they thought they'd done what the west wanted. if you're kim looking at gadhafi's experience, you have to be thinking, how am i going to trust the west? gadhafi did what they wanted. he handed over his weapons programs.

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