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to the rules on employer contributions to those plans. so it's not a concept of taking coverage away. it's the approach actually obliging members of congress to follow the exact law that the folks that they govern are following. >> so forcing them onto the obamacare exchanges? is that what it is? >> they are already on the exchanges. let's make that clear. all is that stuff you read on the internet that congress exempted themselves from obamacare is not right. when i was a member of congress, i had to be on the exchanges. the special exemption dealt with the employer contribution, how much your employer when you're a member of congress, that's the federal government, can contribute to your coverage. and that's the rule that the president was talking about in his tweet yesterday. >> lastly, sir, are you optimistic that general kelly, secretary kelly, will bring a discipline to the white house that is needed? >> absolutely. i think that's why he's there. take reince at his word. i don't think reince is hiding the ball on this at all. the president wanted to change directions, wanted to go a different way in the way that

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