rules of politics don't apply anymore. i agree with you on that, given this president. but i think when you're talking about real people and not just political projections, when you are talking about potentially 32 million people losing their health care, that is not just a guess. that is real for them. >> you talked about the polling on obamacare versus the republicans' bill. listen to this because the president talks about obamacare. watch this. >> for the past 17 years, obamacare has wreaked havoc on the lives of innocent hard working americans. behind me today, we have real american families, great families. just spent a lot of time with them. who are suffering because seven years ago, a small group of politicians and special interests in washington engineered a government takeover of health care. every pledge that washington