>> i was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. i was extremely nervous. >> this material is collateral. and i will deny the subpoena. >> i think it's an outrageous ruling and we're going to appeal. this is bombshell evidence and it's absolutely critical. it's relevant, germane, material. >> you won. you didn't have to give up the tapes. >> yes. i was very pleased that we won and thought that's the end of it. great. >> and then you lost on appeal. >> right. >> and then you thought? >> i thought i have to send the tapes. >> so did he say, laura, please don't give up those tapes? >> he requested i not give up the tapes. >> what did you tell him? >> no. that i had to give them up. >> did you feel a need to protect him? >> no. he's very capable of protecting himself. >> as for mckinney, she could no longer protect the tapes or her