issue for the country. at the same time, we see him reaching out and embracing auto considerates all over the world, whether it's duterte -- he is fascinated with people who don't have to deal with democratic institutions. i'm not sure i would be as dark as the general was. i do think there's a resilience to our democracy. it's being tested right now. the president is the one who is testing it. >> carl bernstein, what do you think stands between a further slide to becoming what the general describes? >> i think that donald trump destabilized his own presidency. he has done it through hir tweets. he has done it through his lies. he has done it through undermining a legitimate