ahmadinejad and north korea's kim. >> constitute an axis of evil. >> two-thirds of then-president bush's axis of evil. >> certainly we're not going to just have our president meet with -- >> hillary clinton pokes holes in obama's argument on stage that night, and the reviews were pretty unanimous. obama's answer was naive. >> are you kidding me? those are the last people i'd meet with in my first year. i'd never meet with those guys. >> but obama's strategist david axelrod says the future president was adamant on a phone call with staff. obama told them -- >> we're not backing off at all. i actually think that was the moment when he found his voice in that campaign because he realized that he was bringing a point view of that nobody else was going to bring.

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