grandmother in kenya said he was born in kenya and she was there and witnessed the birth. okay? he doesn't have a birth certificate or he hasn't shown it. he has what's called a certificate of live birth. when you want a birth certificate it's hard to get. >> but consider the equivalent -- >> it's not the equivalent. >> in the state of hawaii, they said they have seen this document. it is evidence that he was born in the united states. that's good enough for them. scholars have looked at it. >> a birth certificate is not even close. >> julie mason when it comes to this birther issue, trump is peddling nonsense. >> they can't always be smart shows like this one thissen is an interesting side show. the republicans haven't gotten it up. everyone knows it's crazy. >> cnn's candy crowley in an interview that aired on this morning's "state of the union" repeatedly pushed trump about this. she showed if you listen to his grandmother, she said he was born in hawaii.
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