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they're in aircraft. the bottom line is i think we need someone with skin in the game. we tried it the white house's way which is having government stimulate job creation. didn't happen. now you've got somebody who really knows about job creation, doing business overseas with the chinese and selling them products. >> ali, that's all true, but let me add one other aspect to jeff imle. ge capital got the largest bailout and sits on the board of the new york fed as a public representative and not even as industry representative and at the same time his company got huge, huge subsidies of taxpayer money. so you talk about skin in the game, it's our skin in the game, not the shareholders' skin in the game. we bailed them out. then he's dealing with china selling what will give away critical export industry. is that a problem? >> well, look. there are issues. back in 2008 during the financial crisis during the freeze of the credit markets, no one was able to make deals to get money. so we did this for a lot of

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