wikileaks thing. however, and they're trying to support freedom of speech on the internet. they're supporting freedom of speech by shutting down websites. the opposite approach they should be taking. >> mr. jarvis, you make the case there should be no harm done. let's focus on what happens on the web. they're attacking visa, paypal. maybe go after palin or lieberman. what if they decided to go after the electric grid of the united states. are there security measurements from place to protect infrastructure? >> we can play that what if game over and over and i don't think it really gets us anywhere. joe lieberman went after wikileaks with amazon and now, customers are going after amazon themselves. i can use mastercard and visa to give a contribution to the ku