cuts. boat say washington needs to do a better job of balancing the books. does their math add up? they join us from capitol hill. if you match up the strategy, what you're leaders are doing in the negotiations with the white house right now with the legislation you propose, is it fair to say you believe at the moment your leaders are too timid and are asking forme more? >> we want to allow every congressman and senators an up and down vote on a permanent extension. what we hear from the business community and individuals all over the country is we need some certainty. you can't plan to grow a business in 6 to 12 months. sometimes it's a five our ten-year process. so to have certainty in what the tax rates will be is much more important than a temporary extension of the current rates. we don't need a temporary economy, so we don't need temporary tax rates. >> yet, as both of you describe