there at the mine. patrick ottoman is joining us on the phone right now. what's going on, patrick, right now? >> wolf, we're seeing practice runs being done. they're gearing up for this rescue. they've done quite a bit today in terms of lining the mine hole, doing that first test that chad discussed, lowering the capsule down to almost the mine floor. we've seen help coicopters taki off and landing. that's how they'll transport the miners to the hospital. it's quite a large operation. they want to get every detail just so. >> how are they going to determine the order of the miners leaving, patrick? >> you know, it's become something of a point of contention. the government officials want to go like this. they want the five most technically adept miners, the miners who are quite competent, have been in good shape throughout this ordeal, to go first. if there are any issues in the capital ride, those are the
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