that war is never glorious. and saying that this war, any war, is manifestation of human folly. >> larry: some wars have been -- world war ii was won. vietnam. korea. we probably won that. they never went south. is anybody going to win this? >> well, that's -- that's his intellectual realization, that it's so complicated and so hard and -- so he won't use those words. and i asked him, well, you can't lose a war on your watch as president. no president can let that happen or be perived to lose a war. and he said, well, i don't think in those terms of winning or losing. i think in terms of putting the country in a better position at the end. now, that is reasonable and sound. if you asked george bush that
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