and i think we really need to look at julian assange who has called for full transparency, but is running an organization under a vail of secrecy that runs outside of u.s. regulations. he doesn't disclose his primary sources. there's a bit of hypocrisy coming out of the wikileaks. >> to be fair -- and i don't have a dog in this fight, i don't care either way -- but everything i read from general jones and everything i read coming from the white house, it doesn't sound like they're saying this is all made-up crap, we don't believe it. we think that the media community should ignore it. as a matter of fact, they seem to be saying they're bothered by the fact that it's out there, but they're not putting it down. >> well, i have yet to talk to anybody who's made their way through the 91,000 pages, including the people from wikileaks themselves. >> that's a pair point. >> we've got to put it in context and make sure there's no information out there. and i would argue you do have a dog in this fight. there are american troops in harm's way getting shot and killed. if wikileaks is endangering them, we need to push back and