at least evenly balanced on both sides and i doubt it moved the needle in the way on public opinion in the way the white house had really hoped. it certainly didn't turn out to be a trap for republicans. they came ready to play this time. >> yeah. it was a very smart discussion. no question. i watched all of it. dr. healy, republicans, you've heard this. they want to start from scratch. basically anything short of that is unacceptable. deal breaker. is that a realistic approach? as you know, you're a doctor. a lot of people waiting for this to happen. they've been suffering without health care insurance. you talked about that. >> starting from scratch, what they're really saying, starring with a clean slate, they have a lot of building blocks, good ideas. what are the ones that belong in this bill? you and i have read this 2,700 page bill and it's filled with a lot of nonsense and a lot of things that don't focus on the two issues. we must bring down the cost. we have a cost crisis. we must bring it down.