Childrens future and our fight to restore the nations economy. Solving our Nations Health care crisis. There is nog] . Dn prescriptio role model or cookbook for being first lady. A future is created every day. The future is not something that is out there waiting to happen to us. The future is something that we make. And i have said and i believe that there is a good possibility that sometime in the next 20 years we will have a woman president. Hillary clinton logged many firsts in her role as first lady. Since law school, the clinton impeachment of president n 5in b clinton and as she considered another bid for the white house, beingfs good evening and welcome to cspan year long series first ladies, influence and image. Tonight we tell you the story of the spouse of our 42nd president Hillary Clinton. Here to tell us the story are two journalists who know the clintons well by covering them for many years. Gail sheehy from vanity fair, a b biographer and her book in 2000 was called hillarys choicecc and David Maraniss has a book include the 1995 biography bill clinton first in his class. And mr. We start, i want to play a video from 1992. It is one of those and there is probably five or six Hillary Clinton clips that become emblematic of her and this is one of them. This is during the campaign when she talked about how she might approach the role of first lady and how involved she was going to be. Lets listen. Those of us who tried to have a career and make a difference and certainlyn come pined that with public involvement, primarily children and other issues, ive done the best i can to lead my life and i to that kind of and i dont know what else to say other than that is sad. You know, i suppose i could have and had tea but i decided to do my profession this which i entered before my husband was in public life. So as they campaigned in 1992, they were promoting two for one, she would be an involved first lady. How did that work out for her . Well they made a lot of mistakes in the beginning. The public was not prepared for the two for one presidency. I dont know if1urj they ever w be. But i think that it was stunning tovq6 suddenly see this intelligent, outspoken totally confident woman who had been given the role of copresident. If we had a copresidency, kunn might be a really cool thing because partners in mauer apowe more and hor happening. But at that time hillaryp fb ha gone from the 50s to the 70s in the four years of wellesley and suddenly plunged into a new Womens Movement period. She actually it took hillary to raise a president. She did have to keep him in the channel because he was brilliant but all over the place and reckless. So, to swallow all of that was really quite a overkill for the american public. And it took her, i think, almost six years to really figure out how to do it. I had an occasion to meet her at ren auns weekend once in the ladys room and she said, this is 94, i dont know what to do any more. Nothing i do works. I understand that im really threatening to men, that the velocity of change between men and women and the way the country is going and from one generation to the 0 boomers is overwhelming, especially to men. I dont know what to do about it. So david, maraniss, so since were looking at first lady, was she a transitional figure or oneofakind. I was say she was almost oneofakind. The role model that she modelled herself after was eleanor difference between the two which is bill clinton and Hillary Clinton from the very beginning saw they could get places together that they couldnt apart. So whereasselor was ak÷dq as a first lady, she was on her own track, separate from president roosevelt. Whereas bill clinton relied on hillary for much of his policy going back to arkansas. For the two nor one comment, which he made, it wasnt the press saying that, was a reality to them. And throughout his presidency, it helped and hurt at various we said at hooutset that Hillary Clinton was a first. Shes the first first lady to have a graduate degree, a law degree, the first to have an office in the west wing. The first to testify before a grand jury as the investigations were ramping up. The first to be elected and serve as United States senator, the first to run for president herself and the first to serve as secretary of state. Were going to talk about all of that and more with our two guests, gail sheehy and David Maraniss. First Hillary Clinton was born in chicago. As hillary dian rodham, to parents hugh and dorothy rodham. Tell me about her childhood and it . The most significant thing5n think was the way she saw herself, was from the age of 8 or 10, a star. And her fantasy was and she wrote about this, she what get out of her lawn and dance in the sun and spin under the sun and imagine that god was beaming the sundown on her, only her, and that heavenly cameras were filming her every move. She made that a reality. For many years now, maybe not heavenly, maybe satanical cameras but cameras nonetheless are following her every move. Bnq she made it happen. Her father was born in scranton, pennsylvania and worked in the factories or a mine as a youth and made her way to a chicago and her mother was a traditional housewife. Where did this come from . I wouldnt call her mother a traditional housewife, she was strong and independent and infused that to hillary. Her father was a republican. It was in the sort of deep heart of the midwest middle class. It was very sheltered in that sense. The children were the chosen ones and hillary thought hersel of the chosen of the chosen ones. So she had her fathers politics, but the politics were incidental to who she thought she was. She was very mkljn a methodist throughout her life. Teenage years and her youth minister don jones was a very progressive person who was challenging hillary in many of the other kids to sort of think of the world outside of park ridge. So that was going on in her mind before she blossomed or changed her politics. You told the story in your book about the minister who would take white suburban kids in their sheltered life and take them though chicago to see how other people lived. Right. and migrant workers. She was influenced by that. She knew park ridge was a bubble and she wanted to know more about how the real. T8t world wo. But her mother told me a significant story about her childhood. When they moved, the 4yearolds didnt admit her and a little girl named susie used to beat cowards and you go back out there and knock that girl over pins and that is what hillary did and the boys were watching and hillary came back home and said now i can play with the ever since. She has. She was also a preteen if i had the anyone right reading Barry Goldwater as conscience of the conservative and she has a she was a teenager. But still young to be reading those books as a teenager. But she also had a High School Teacher who was conservative and influencing her the other direction. Do you know about the role he played in her life . She did have some conservative teachers in that period so did all of us. I dont think that teacher had a profound influence no more so than her father but enough to have her thinking in those directions politically. But not internally. So i would not say that any teachers at main Township High School had more influence on her than the youth minister of the Methodist Church or her mother. I think those were the two key influences and it transcended politics. And her mother had an wanted her to have even walib ra um and she used it as a visual to say keeppv the bubble in the middle. Her, never get divorced. abandoned her and it blighted her life so Hillary Clinton never agreed to give bill clinton a divorce even though he wanted it. But the other amazing thing about hillary was when she met Martin Luther king, introduced by don jones, she was really taken. Theh÷amethodist minister. Uxp there weres< no black people that she saw in her class or in park ridge and she read up on it and she realized that, the emancipation proclamation hasnt been carried out and she wanted to do something and the ahamoment was the moment that Martin Luther king was shot and shecxc came i screaming and y y 0l sobbing ag this cannot go on and that is when she turned off from being a little goldwater girl to being a real progressive marcher, a real liberal. That was 1968. And she would graduate the next year. I think that was a moment where she turned into an activist. But you could see her politics changing as soon as she got to wellesley, really. As did nuhundreds of thousands kids of that generation whether they got to college. Vqt as the war was going on a civil unrest. And civil rights and all of that. How did she get to wellesley. This mid western girl. She was a very smart student. She was the president of her high school class. And was an allgirls school in suburban boston. And her parents drove her out in the cadillac. But it made her father furious when he realized that it was snobby Eastern Liberal girls school and never visited her until her graduation. But it was fascinating a High School Friend which he gave me. Crisis. She thought she had to select her identity and laid them out like a snog as board and said should i have a pseudo hippie, because she didnt care about her appearance but a moral the rye and hated it. But said i dont like peoplebgt very much and maybe im a miss an tloep. And she. i and she finally came to a decision, she chose her identity which was shervg might as well she couldnt stand introspection and her fatherwd a had told hert any expression of emotionality was a sense of weakness. So she decided she would help other people leave their best lives and helped to save the world. She became president of the student body at wellesley, is that correct. She did. And she was selected to give a speech at wellesley that thurst her in the National Spotlight for the first time. What was that all about. iw she had a speech written it was because herjvjvl generat was did not want to hear from a moderate republican, even though he was a black man, about entering the workforce and going on to be competitive and she got up and said we dont believe in just materialism and competitiveness, were looking for ecstatic experiences. Well, her student body just got up and gave an uproar of applause that the faculty was mortified and hugh rodham. C go out of town as fast as he could. But it got her into life star. And i asked, what was the most ecstatic experience of your 20s and she said falling in love with bilk. Fe . Gq and i said what attracted you to him and she attracted to him. This iskcg2 the essence of hillarys speech, were all exploring a world that none of us understands an attempting to create within that uncertainty, there are some things we feel, feelings that are prevailing a competitive corporate life including tragically universities is not the way of life for us, were researching for more immediate eck staftic and pen trading modes of history and that is the speech mr. Rodham didnt want to hear. What makes this Program Different and interesting are them. . i0f well put the number on your screen and mix in your calls and you can post a comment on thex2ng cspanprf db page and there is a. R lively discussion oz]qw Facebook Page you could tweet us and question by twitter as were in viewer wanted to know whether or not hillary wanted to drop out part of her biography, did she want to drop out of college. She did go through a year of depression. She felt that she there were a lot of high born Society Girls atzep wellesley and that wasnr bag at all. And she wasnt sure that she was smart enough at the beginning. So she was depressed. Vr i think it was in her sophomore year sozxcl she may have consid it. I think it was more like taking a year off than draping out for good. How did she get to Yale Law School . What was the decision to become to study law . Well, t]x that is what someb who wanted to have an active life effecting change would do⌞ in that period. Bill clinton did. And took a fiveyear program to get through Yale Law School. But i think she did it not so much that she wanted she wanted to be a lawyer more than he ever didhdl but they both st as a way to thei . ,p life that affecting social change. Our next sorry, was a very socially active place during that period. The classes were the opposite of harvard law. It wasnt like everything was rigid. It was very qqavloose. She considered harvard as well and chose yale. She did. And what was the environment for women studying at Yale Law School when she arrived. School where werent very many. There were Something Like five in her class. So she was unique there, as a has been in every venue. And i dont know if she she didnt speak an awful lot about sexism or prejudice. She was just too darn smart. And when she and bill decided to Barristers Union in presenting a case before a live jury, it is she who did the work and all of the writing and bill did theoan and he was brilliant at presenting but he goofed off was hillary who made a real impression on one of the judges, john doar, who later hired her for the impeachment committeeupz richard nixon. You know, their working today in that prize trial sort of captured everything that was to come in away. Where one of the fellow law students described them as bill clinton was all to kill30 . W r kill a lawyer. And we have a clip when Hillary Clinton talks about how she and bill clinton met. He was standing out in the he was standing out in the hallway and i just fux moments just sort of click and i was sitting there and i just started staring at him. And i just began to look at him and i thought, you know, i really like the way he looks. I need to get to know him. And then he caught my eye and began staring back at me so here i am in the library, not reading, here 2a he is surroun by talking at him not talking back. So finallr p lr pun i thought t ridiculous. Im in this class with this person andzhs so i put my book down and i went up and i said, if youre going to keep looking at me and im going to keep looking at you we sought to at least know each others names, ill Hillary Rodham and i said you. He said he couldnt remember his name. But he did stumble out bill clinton. But then you want me to go on about this . I mean this is and then it was the last day ofvny< class, class that we hardly ever went to but occasio2;wwn saw each other in and we both showed up for the last day and so i was walking out of the door and he kind of got to the door at the same time and he said where are you going and i said im going to register for my classes next that and we talked together and stood in this registrar endless a and i finally got up to the gloria mccue, said what are you going to take and i started to fill it out. u4b here . Registered yesterday. Always want to know and you both have explored this, what is at the heart of this relationship . What was it that attracted peas two people so strongly to one another. They seem so different in many ways . I think in the case of hillary, she had not been popular with boys and in a boy girl sense. And she likednnng big handsome s and here was this big handsome guy with elvis side burns and rough around the edges and c cbs fya q n charm and following her like a love sick lap dog panting behind her and it made her feel like a woman and that was a new but, then she realized how brilliant he was and how they do something with this guy. uks she could reallyb bring him u. And when she left the0oii Water Committee yeah, the watergate impea to little rock, arkansas, fayetteville, sher best friend would say, youre crazy, what are you doing here . Your leaving this i i ,j career inw . Zwashington, where youre in line to be in political life, and she said, bill clinton is going to be and im going to marryaf7p him. And the friend said does he know that and she saido not yet. David . Well from bill clintonstof perspective, obviously there were a lot of women interested in him and he inksjx them but hillary was different. During that period his roommates at yale would say that he would prepare and prep them for times when hillary was coming over becauses7io he wanted to imprer so much. And the reason was that she was she wouldnt put up with what she called his arkansas palaber. She had the guts to say oh, come off it, bill. And beyond that they understood that they actually did have a lot of in common. They were completely different person amounts b personalities but they have the same ambitions and they had the that they couldnt get apart and they shared movies ab books and intellectual things and i think heels for him and bill saw her as someone different4u4x and soe who could help him and be a partner. How long did it take from the first meeting to marriage and how did the relationship progress . Im not exactly sure, i think it was several years. But what happened in between was quite fascinating. When bill was running for his first congressional race and his campaign was chaotic and he was losing and hillary dropped everything and flew out there and came into the Little Campaign area and they shoed the college girl that he was having a on. This is a mess. And she took over. And the night before they vote they knew they were going to lose, she and the Campaign Manager and his wife all got locked in a room together to find out what was really going wrong here and hillary was and the wife said well i havent had to take bill clintons girlfriend as my babysitter to get her out of theksnn and she turned on the Campaign Manager and said you got bill clinton a girl while i was away and you and she started swearing and cursing and the next thing a it was a mailay and with the passivity of a buddha, bill clinton and that said the mold for the way she dealt with all of the eruptions. It was never his fault. It was always somebody elses fought. They net in 1970 and they married in 1975. He was running for congress and gail described that scene and they were law professors together at university of arkansas. In that setting, it sort of set the tone for the differences betweengt g them. Bill clinton was an easy professor who gave everybody b plus at the worst and mostly as 1a was they would be voters in arkansas some day and he didnt want to upset this them. And he was known for losing tests, being on the a plane and leaving exams somewhere. Hillary was completely organized, her classes were tough and the dean of the law school said if he was going to hire one of the clintons to be a law professor, it would have been hillary. Before we leave this period j experience on the impeachment inquiry one of the youngest lawyer on a staff of 44 and she described it asoac one of the important parts of her lave. How did it shape her. It was a historic moment in American History. She was hired by john doar who ran the House Impeachment Committee staff. Because she had met him at yale when he was a judge at the prized trial. He brought her down. Congressional hotel where the staff was working. Her job was not the most exciting. Y 77siahp hc nixon tapes and really getting into the grit of the pg. Her job was to look at the constitutionality of impeachment. But she learned a lot from watching john doar and one of her boss was bernie nussbalm and an examination up close of power and the manipulation of power and the abuse of power. You couldnt work in that officy without learning a lot about that. So, of course, that would have a significant effect on her. Were going to take you next to fayetteville, and the house that bill clinton bought for Hillary Rodham as he proposed and where they got married. Lets watch. This time is where the clintons lived where they were professors in fayetteville. Teaching her, bill was driving her down this road to go to the airport and they saw the house pointed at the house and said that is a cute house. And bill took her to the airport airport about a month later and said i bought your dream house, you have to marry me and live with me in it because i cant live there alone and that is the fourth time he had proposed andh they were married right in the living room. There were nine people at wedding. It was very a small intimate sale. The wedding announcement made notice that hillary was keeping her own name. Bill wasntrbnf othered by thist when they told virginia she gasped and when they told hillarys motheruk6 np cried. We have a reppica of the wedding dress. She got the dress the night beforew6je the wedding at ,hdqr for 50 and it was made a popular designer at the time. They were both makingloo 14,00 year as law professors and this room which has been enclosed was a screened in porch and they used to sleep out here in the summer because they0w[ did note airconditioning. This is the clinton kitchen. And she referred to it in her book as the room in the house that des fratly ÷needed to be remodels and that is what it looks like. They had the harvest gold appliances and weve take ten back to how it looked like when hillary never cooked. She did say that bill would bu have to check with the people that were here. In her first visit back to the house was in 2007 on the campaign trail. This is dining room is call the the war room and they used oc is Campaign Headquarters for his attorney general campaign which was the First Successful campaign in 1976 and there was a desk that sat in the middle of the room wq . J3 map of arkansas on it and hillary had the idea to visit each county three times so they could encompass the grassroots politics that would get him elected both then and in futureun;kgawc elections. Fayetteville was a place where they settledsplz in. They really thought they they had gotten married. They had bought a house. They had successful jobs as law profesa; school so they kind of reached a plateau where they achieved a lot of things that they set goals for in life. Mindful of our time. So i want to get some of our first callers in here. And then u well pick up our stories. Lets begins with james in2o7l oakland, california. Hi, xv im also interested during the presidencyvg where hillary major policy differences than bill clinton supported. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, hi. Well it wasxncg 1989 when bill clinton had been gotten caught with bimbo eruptions and he had pulled back from running for governor again and hillary had explored whether or not she should run for governor but a poll showed that she wasnt going to be getting many votes at all. And bill clinton fell in love with another woman. Really fell in love with her. This is not a bimbo, or a black rooted lounge singer, this is a woman of quality, a professional whose family was in politics and he asked hillary for a divorce and she consulted with her minister and herself and came doing. That is not going to happen. And this affair is going to end. And that was the end of it. He never brought that up again. And they found their own arrangement much later which we could talk about later in the program. And it does jump the story but a brief comment on major policy differences between the two. Not too many. But there were some. One of the major was more nuance than complete difference, but early in the second term when bill clinton declared that thec era of Big Government was over and proceeded to during that period was reforminglij4k wel Hillary Rodham clintons mentor was Marianne Wright en 9o andc edellmans husband was opposed to what they were trying to do in terms of the welfare reform and he quit the administration in quite a tense period between them for that reason and other reasons. The next caller is trevante in brooklyn. Youre on the air. Caller hi. What Hillary Clinton the first lady. I didnt understand your question. Will you ask it again . Caller i wanted to know what to be the first lady. First lady. Is it something she aspired to. She said at the beginning she knew bill would be president. She felt that bill had it in him to be president and she wanted to be part of that. She wanted to be a star and in that era, she felt hitching her wagon to his star was a way to become a star herself and she was great. So thank you. Author of the series, we have had a few young callers which is wonderful to get them interested in history. Jake crabtree on twitter asked because we were well, i think harqrj even more more important to her, dont you agree. I would agree. She was a very moral me methodist. Ways. Socially conservative in5ell behavior. And faith got her through some 2ze5at really relied on it ando the inspiration of eleanor roosevelt. Bill clinton was a baptist. Hillary wjv9zh a methodist. Bill clinton would wake up every morning and forgive himself and the rest of the world. Hillary had more used herm7 religion more in a sort of an explanation of her active life. Her motto was do the best you can, most you can, as often as you can and that is her methodist motto. That is a line well quote after this program is over. I think i misquoted it but hi, kip, youre on. Caller yes, mrs. Swain, good evening. Havent talked to you since ida mcginny. Gail sheehy and David Maraniss, i have read both of,c; bvu wor and mrs. Sheehy i enjoyed wour york on character back in 1988. Thank you. Caller my question was in response to a caller last week with mrs. Bush, i think the relationship between the two first ladies during the transition. I seem to remember a quote of mrs. Bush and i would like to get both of your comments on it after the informal tour of the white house,v mrs. Bush in response to reporters question i think reporters said do you have any advice for mrs. Clinton and mrs. Bush said avoid the reporters like the plague. And if they quote you, make sure they heard you. So i would like to find out from both of you in terms of what Hillary Clinton, i dont remember her having much of a comment then. But idhc< liks2fr to get yourn the transition. Thank you so much for your work. Thank you. She didnt avoid the reporters like the plague. She might have wanted to. It is interesting thu÷r8cq9n ba bush on your program talked about how much she likes bill clinton now. I dont think that was necessarily true then. 92 was a tough campaign. Yes. Very much so. But over time they became quite good friends as they told us. I had an experience with hillary that visavis the s early in 92, the day after she and bill had appeared on 60 minutes to address the jennifer flowers issue, actually so i flew with hillary in a tiny little plane to pierre, south dakota, where she bm going to appear before the pork rib feeders roast and as soon as we landed and get into a motel, theret9 on the television scr was jennifer flowers playing her tapes with governor clinton. I was right next to hillary and i watched her expression. Not an iota of surprise. Just a lizard eye blink and thel directing her press secretary, get bill on the phone. Get stephanopoulos on the phone. Right into battle mode. She swepth2bv into the pork rib whispers off and she went to the phone and came back boiling mad. We got on the plane and for the next half hour she staked out what would be their battle plan for the rest of their time in therny white house which was sh said going to run against the republican attack machine because theyre now doing paid character assassination and run against the press. Well the second one was a really big mistake. She did shut the access to reporters off which really alienated them a great deal. And she stonewalled all of the time. And she lied much of the time. And the press, very early on, stopped giving them Glass Half Full and started giving them glass half empty. What is important about the story is that they doesnt seem she was angry at bill clinton for transgressions. Exactly. She had decided that she had made a choice and in my book he was either going to rise with him or fall with him. She was bim bsymbiotic and join hip. And they had an unspoken agreement. She didnt ask him for details about the women and he didnt ask her about whiteaedc water or cattle futures or her investments. I wouldnt say that she was it that she would clt plow forw a u arkansas years. And well not do it justice. The locals treat hillary and what did they think of the marriage and after the successful attorney general bid he went on, bill clinton, to be arkansas. What is important about Hillary Clintons time during that period. Rose law firm but how did she serve as first lady of the state. In some ways as she did as thats the period when bill clinton first started bup relyin her to help him with his most important policy issues. And so the precursor to health care in the white house was education reform in arkansas where he appointed hillary to lead the efforts to reform thev a Arkansas School system which the motto was thank god for oofz mississippi because they were 49th instead of 50th among the test scores. Is there was reliance to deal with policy that was veryiax important. She came into the first lady of arkansas as Hillary Rodham. He was defeated. She was rendered the youngest ex and as a result of that, part of the campaign against her, against bill was sort of this woman who wouldnt even take her that was sorf3veoox unarkansas. And mihillary was adaptable and she came from illinois and the east coast to arkansas and after those two firs< arkansas and over the rest of the governorship she was very much part of that whole social cl iie cultural millu. Image. She hadnt given any thought to her appearance, the buying the dress off the rock. She dressed kind of like a hippie. She [3 didnt wear makeup. Her hair wasnt fixed. And she really spruced up. She pulled herself together and began to look more like an acceptable southern lady. More but she was also supporting them. The big thing which she gave bill clinton was money. She was the breadwinner while he was making very poultry salaryo for many years. And she was made partner at Rose Law Firm a few three years after she was hired, once he was back in the Governors Office because that was now very big connection. Theyre a little parallel there to the obama families where Michelle Obama was the lawyer earning more plan to tq5 allow the husband to pursue his yes. The difference was that michelle, during that period, really wasnt happy with her husband being this political guy going off to springfield, illinois. Whereaskst hillary, from the mot they got together, she knew what his job was and she supported gail sheehy, in arkansas there were the seeds of thingsi that she would take to the white we should explain how decisions she madek4u that woul end up becomings b and the Rose Law Firm and billing during that time period and investment iner to the white house. ;n clintons involvement in the decisions that she made that would become national in their scope . ,zb6 here is about the decision to allow a special prosecutor. That was a big debate between bill and hillary. But were advancing the story. Years and what she did there to to this day, i dont think anybody reallyzr] knows. But she was trying to make plan for the family. She was investing. She had a hotshot investor who got her into cattle futures. Jim blair was a friend of theirs, diane blair was in fayetteville at the university when the clintons were there. And her husband was very sharp with trading and that is how they got into that, 1,000 and make 100,000 on cattle futures. And then the connection to other people in little rock is when she got in trouble with the Rose Law Firm records andgh c action involving jim mcdougal who was bill clintons friend. A kind of crazy, cooky guy. It is all in the arkansas politics that they got trapped in. John is watching us in grosse pointe, mifrpg, what is your question. Caller good evening, im been following this series of programs and i want to mend you, muatp for h wonderful journalism. It is been great. Regarding the clintons, i would like to go back to 1972 and i believe that bill clinton was the in charge of the texas mcgovern came and hillary a man who is now a historian, Taylor Branch also worked on that campaign in texas in 1972. 9 that was the first think, that the two of them, bill and hillary, got together. , am i correct in that . And then one other thing, connected withu i think i heard this and i wonder if this is true, that i believe that bill clinton said or wrote in one of his books that in the course of that he drove Cokie Roberts zdad, hail to the airport and dropped him off because he was a campaign aide, clinton was and said goodbye to him and everything i the bogs was ever seen. Thank you, john. Were going to get responses to the Mcgovern Campaign and how formative it was to them. It is hugely formative. This is a fairly new kind of politics which they believed in. I think mcgovern had the kind of platform they were interesting in. And they thought they were going to bring the new politics to a larger america. I think that inspired them. But you have more on that. They also met betsy wright in that campaign and betsy wright advancing bill clintons political career instead of striking out on her own. But hillary pulled back from that and much more interested in twoso and she later became bills chief of x and they were very young and running texas for George Mcgovern and they were hired by gary hart to run the state because neither of them was from texas and texas was a political mess forrqrqew democrats at tha point. There was a huge split between the progressives and the conservatives and they thought that these two kids would at least be able to diffuse some of that. It was an in enormous learning experience for both the clintons. Hillary was stationed most of the time in san antonio and bill was in austin running the campaign. He not only did drive hail boggs to the airport as the caller suggested, he also took George Mcgovern out to the allies to meet with lbj in a famous meeting they had out there. Clinton learned a lot during that campaign. But the essential thing that he and hillary learned wasmlo how could lose. And from that moments the clintons increased National Profile leading to the 1992 president ial campaign. We mentioned earlier that it was a bruising one. Those of you who wore following politics at the time will remember it well including at rief of ross perot and that brought bill clinton and Hillary Clinton to the white house. Shortly after they ariefed there was the announcement about health care. We have a couple of clips to show you about how to demonstrate the intentionu2jlf e first ladys involvement in health care. Ay1ohdn im pleased that hilla shell experience some of the heat i expect to generation. In the coming months people will learn as the people of our state did that we have a first lady of many talents that who most of all couldgh bring people tog around complex and difficult issues to hammer outc as the president said and as he believes, this is not a ideology battle, it is a problem to be solved that affects all of us. And im looking forward over the next weeks and months to not only working with you, but to watching you craft the most important social policy that our nation will have confronted in many decades. When i worked on health care, people thought i shouldnt be making recommendations about legislation or i shouldnt be involved in working on behalf of what my husband asked me to work on which was one of his primary objectives because they thought that was somehow inappropriate. That if you exercise influence, do it behind the scenes where nobody could see you. I find that curious. To me, id like to know what goes on in front of the scenes because im very very much the kind of person who believes that you should say what you mean and marine what you say ann take the consequences. I mean, just like anybody else who is involved in public life. For our guests, emily on twitter said what and why was the difference in Hillary Clintons Health Care Proposal failing compared to obamacare. So what was the difference . Why did that not work for the clintons . It is interesting, at the time that they were pushing it, each of those president s had control of congress. But i would say that one of the contradictions in hillarys statement there or paradoxes is that she talked about how she liked to be open and up front and one of the real problems with that effort to push through health care was there was so secret and congress did not feel they were part of it. Of course, getting any sort of Major Initiative like that through congress is enormously difficult no matter who is controlling it and there was so much antipathy toward it and there were a lot of complications to it. But barack obama but president obama was able, with the democratic majority, to just barely get it through by working with them and one of the major problems with the clintons effort was there wasnt a feeling that they were actually concocting it in these meetings. Strategically, how important was it, the appointment of Hillary Clinton ultimately in its trajectory . I think it had a long and you could see from the video that hillary came on, she had a beautifully modulated voice. She speaks without notes and in paragraphs, all of the skills that weve seen her practice all along. But she never said im not an expert but she never showed any deference to the people on the committee, one of the oldest and most important committees in washington, to say i look forward to your expertise. What she said was i know, i studied, i talked to thousands of americans and that is what we need to do and i. 9 a think she off on the wrong foot. Well whos she with members of congress. Everything was in secret. Many, many meetings. And then this giant, whatever thousands of pages thing was dropped on the table, and the same complaints, the same opposition fromtbkn republicann on every single score, including what will americans be guaranteed that they could keep their Health Care Plan that they liked it like the obamas faced. The clintons were just ahead of her time. And the key in her defense whether she said i dont understand like i couldntoe m policy like any other public official. She wasnt a public official. Now in 1994, gingrich came to the house the republicans took control for the first time in several decades and i want to frame this question in terms of how it affected Hillary Clintons record. Because republicansclintons record because republicans took over and investigations began. Before we get to the investigations, the key thing to understand about what happened after health care is the defeat in 94 was, to the clintons, exactly like the defeat in 1980, where they lost the governorship, and they had to recover in the same way. They trdrew u on the same peopl to do it. They had to sort of think of what the apology would be, how to get back into the game a. It was, clintons were used to running every two years. Thats the way he did it in arkansas. Even though they were in the on the ballot, that defeat was the same as any other then once they lose control of the house, they lose control of. Yco investigat and everything started to unravel from there. And we will talk more about the charges and vest gass later on, but i wanted to make the connection between the decision to put hillary in charge of health care. The uprising against it, which then had an affect on the election, which then changed the course of their presidency. There were other reasons why the republicans took over in 94, but health care was the top reason. Other causes that she wash7s involved in and continually were, children and womens issues. She published a book during this time period and it became another phrase emblematic with her. It was it takes a village. The public loved it. That concept was really hillarys, which is you know, it was her form of family values. You know, it takes a village to support. Women that they can work and have family at the same time and with produ be productive in the community. It takes pulling together. Not just up with your boot st p straps, no help from government. She was mopped for it by the press for a while, but she was so popular on the book tour, people had to then acknowledge and her back became a big best seller and she was, she was able to kind of arehabilitate hersel with that book then became a book writer added to her many other talents, that uyfone, wh she continues to use. And charlie asks was it true that;5v Hillary Clinton won m grammy award. It is. Spoken version of this book. Li nobel peace prize. No one knows what was involved in that decision. Hillary clinton held;xez;xu house youth summit. Lobbied for the foster care act. So she was hy in the policy side throughout her time in the white house. And she also called up the military on agent orange and made them admit this was a disease of warfare and vietnam veterans. To jayson neson next in loui kentucky. Thank you for doing this question, just a comment in that around the historical of Hillary Clinton as secretary of state. Specifically, that she made the issue of equality for the Gay Community to the front of americas diplomatic agenda. One signature way she did that was with her speech in geneva where she said a gay rights person as much she did in beijing recording womens rights. To my knowledge, prior to her, we had not had someone that served at that level to take that stand and really make that push. Thank you, jason. Im going to let that stand as a comment because its far ahead in our 7t story. And thank you for calling in we havent talked about the clintons child, chelsea, who was born in 1980. A word about their style as parents and how they raised her in this very public life. You could see when they got to the white house, that they were protecting her. She wasnt part of the story. Ula that was not negative and it shouldnt be. They were excellent parents. And books and love and she became very much like parts of both of them. The better parts of each of them, i would say. And when you watched how they managed to give her something of a normal life in that very public environment, what hawere your observations . I used to see them as renaissance, but she carried herself with confidence. And she was devoted to her mother and her father used to come home and have dinner with her when hillary was traveling. Hed have a saturday night date with chelsea. That was most heartbreaking for him, when he had really gone over the line with monica, he kind of lost chelsea for a while. There was a time when Young Chelsea was asking what does your father do. She said he drinks coffee and talks on the telephone. Y vo x we talky ed about their stewartship of the white house and Hillary Clinton wrote a book about that when she was in the role. An invitation to the white house at home with history. Were showing you u a picture of that right now. Were asking you to comment about her stewardship of the white house and how they used it politically to advance their goals as most president s have. Could you talk about their interest in the white house . She started americas treasures. Preservation. And did a lot of research and found a lot of things and put them, you know, on display. I think she, she did restoration of the treaty room, several of the rooms of the white house. Jacqueline kennedy was, but she was still pretty active. And i dont know much about their social entertaining. They had some big white house lawn parties and they, but they didnt use the white house nearly as much as the kennedys, for instance, who made it a cultural center, because they were, she was very busy doing other policy things. Of course, we know about the lincoln bedroom. I was going to ask you about that. It did have a lot of social activities. Bill clinton loved epmamusic, ao much like president obama and michelle bringing in various great musicians, the clintons did as well. But they also turned into something of a sleepover place. A lot of friends stayed there often. No one actually lived there like under roosevelt, but there were friends constantlyhbq coming through, and also a lot of big donors would get rewarded with a night in the lincoln bedroom. So, let me take a couple of2 calls then we have to talk in broad brush stroke about the investigations and legal troubles of the clintons as a political partnership. Lets listen to ellie in wilmington, north carolina. Hi, youre on the air. Hi, thank you so much. I did, kudos, i had tv on and you had a funny look on your face. Two points. And this has to do with something brought up last week with barbara bush. A person talked about how the i tend to put the fear of the lord in the press in that they would get called back to the white house if they printed something that was barbara bush was not in agreement with. Yet barbara bush knew her husband had been having an affair and so did the number of the press, but they wouldnt hat. And Hillary Clinton, she said lot of things. Why do you suppose the press and public would be so much more willing to accept a grandmotherly barbara bush, who was really very steely, thanj3u Hillary Clinton, who was really quite a bit more vulnerable. Thank you. Were running out of time here. Im not sure i understand the question, but i can Say Something about you know, hillary was george bush repeatedly had a jennifer, too. And when i did an interview with Hillary Clinton, very formal one, she interrupted, you know, and out of nowhere, and raised this issue. She had been sitting with the head of the atlanta newspaper and she brought this up and this woman a said, ann chambers, why doesnt the media investigate george bushs jennifer . And hillary said, you know, theyre just going to circle the wagons on them because thats what the republicans do. And she planted this in my tape recorder when i wrote about it. Barbara bush slammed back and said, how dare she you know, talk about my husband that way. And hillary had to really eat humble pie and she was depicted on the cover of the New York Post saying well, shut my mouth and when she stepped off, it was just before the new york primary, when she and bill clinton arrived in albany the last day before the primary, bill clinton had to step in hillary. And he did it with a slight was just beside herself that bushs could get away with this she couldnt. Bill couldnt. The story of the clinton, two administrations was also a story of investigations and scandals and reactions to 2c ithose. Going to show you a clip from 1994, early in their white house years, when hillary, at a news conference, talks about the level of trust that people have with her. Lets listen. In the recent news reports about the first ladys earnings and all these whitewater allegations, many of us ameri n americans are having a hard time with your credibility. How can you earn our trust back . Is there a fundamental distrust of the clintons in america . Well, i hope not. Woulddxpj regret very much. I do think that3 we are transition figures, if you will. We dont fit easily into a lot of preexisting categories and i think that having been independent, having made decisions its a little difficult for us as a country, maybe, to make the transition of having a woman like many of the women in this room, sit ng this changed and im try iing to fin my way through it. And trying to figure out how best to be true to myself and how to fulfill my responsibilities to my husband and my daughter and the countryu what are your thoughts . Thats the famous big suit press conference where she÷x l talked for several hours and she was embroiled in continue verry over the cattle futures and several other things involving the Rose Law Firm. I think what she said has a lot of merit to it. They were transitional figures. She was facing things that no first lady was before. Some of it was just part of the culture of that moment and some was selfinduced. So you cant really separate the two. They did do thing that is did not help them during that period and its also true that they were being judged in ways different than anybody before. Im going to show two more clips and this is from 1998, where we see a transition from the beginning of the year to the end of the year in their discussion of these issues. January of 1998, lets watch. The great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about a it and explain it is this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspireing against my husband since the day he announced for president. These past months have been a torture us process of coming to terms with what i did. I understand that accountability demands conse1jnj es and im prepared to accept them. Painful the condemnation of the congress would be, it would pale in comparison to the con quen consequences of the pain i have caused my family. There is no greater agony. So for both of you, quite a long year. So much to talk hxjnt. Whats important for people to know about that year and again, were putting this in the framework of Hillary Clinton as first n6< lady. A year elapsed before bill clinton was finally able to come clean. To hillary. And then to the country. And that was a torturous year for both of them. And she, you know, tried to change the story. Its about the right wing conspiracy, not about my husband. She did not know or did not allow herself to know that monica was really a sexual relationship. Until bill clinton actually had to sit her down and tell her then she you know, really threw things at him and exploded and we saw how the family split apart and it was very tragic thing to watch. But for most of that year, she was right in there fighting for him and the attorney who was working with them on that, damage control, i said well gosh, when they were sitting there preparing the defense, you know, the body language must have been pretty you know, hostile. He said oh, no, not at all. They were holding ands. Theirfrey arms were around each oth other. They were totally affectionate. They were in this together. c what you saw was that when crisis engulfed them, they would be like it was a war. They were in the fox hole together. Bombs were explode iing all aro. Its your battle buddy. Its you two against the world and it made themzk closer. And what would also happen when through their relationship, when lioness and rush in to rip the flesh off their enemies and sit down and make the battle plan, bill clinton would suddenly reward her with affection, intimacy, more power. They were closer. That was when she got the closest to him. So it was kind of you know, a loop. It wasnt all bad for hillary when things erupted and sheut became the crisis manager and bill clinton loved her for it. Thats exactly right. There was this cycle to their relationship where when one was up and the other was down, then one would be up and the other down. They kept going back and forth. Them together oqh all of this. Just as gail talked about in 1992 when she saw hillary the first time with jennifer flour, she did it again in 1998 and 99, things fractured b, but th thing to remember is they stayed together. One of the great ironnys of modern political politics is that the clintons have stayed together when families like the gores, who everybody think is the perfect family, split apart. You youre on. I read one time or heard that Hillary Clinton really earned a lot of loyalty in terms of you know, people over many years that shes been associated with as friends or people that work for her and thats why theres really been no tell all stories because she does, has earned that kind of loyalty and a does that speak to her genuineness, her character, which i would think if thats the case, that would be an admiral characteristic. Whether its first lady, but also whether as a possible president offek the united stat. Also just to say that i was fortunate enoughrr g to shake and meet them when they were in in e1992, rub running, when he was running, so that was quite a thrill. So if you would just speak to her character inckln terms of t. Thank you. We wanted to show all you at home an interesting illustration in the New York Times sunday magazine just yesterday. And it really speaks in a graphic sense, of these interrelationships that Hillary Clinton and bill clinton have forged throughout their many years of public life. Its called madame secretary of the universe. You cantc there as the sun, i guess, and all the planets revolving around it, but to the callers question about the relationships and shielding them. Its been enormous. Both hillary and bill kept notes on people. Starting in college and in law school and they had files and so they would always remember, you know, even if they were visiting a military base and one year then coming back the next year, they would know to talk, you know, to ask, sergeant, did your wife have the baby yet . How did it turn out . People would melt. Even more important for hillary were the women she brought into her barack obama m, her family. She called hit a family. She would treat them like family members. Really pay p ups and downs and when they needed help. The6n8o loyalty she showed to h aberdeen when she got into the trouble with anthony weiner, shaming her and much the way bill clinton had shamed hillary. That was very endearing, i cy think, and huma is still attached to her side. So having a hillary land and having wonderful women, really smart, supporting her and her loyalty to them has been enormously important, but patty doyle was her chief of staff for a while and in the 2008 president ial campaign, she on as the Campaign Director and patty was not ready for prime time. A lot of things went wrong for her and it was killing to hillary to have to fire her. Let me ask you, we left the story which led to him being a second and ironically as his troubles were mounting, considering his bid for the United States senate and she was successful with that. Her decision to become a candidate andkh÷ wh her husband had political troubles. Its ironic. I remember the last time gail and i were on tv together was on meet the press in 1999 andpnm russert asked if hillary would ever run for office and we said yes. The next day, robert, the head of the Senate Democratic Campaign Committee started talking about hillary running for the senate. I think that she had had her eye on that. I think that because of lk bil clintons troubles, she was frustrated in those last few years. In the white house. And was looking to go out . Own. They had risen together as far as they could. For 25 years and now it was her the turn. Even more than that, because i a heard all a about the meeting that she had with harold on the very day thatpt2 the Impeachment Vote was taking place in another part, in congress. Q in to stay hello to her guest and hillary didnt even look up. And you know, they didnt want to have anything to do with him. Hillary was then totally focused. She had done everything she could to line up the ducks in a row so that the democrats could make sure she wasnt going to be thrown out of office. This was theage in her life. She said to harold, i want independence. I have to have it. I can feel it when i speak with my own voice. He was 53 years old. I dont think its going to takz another, with the current generation of women, its not going to that i can that long to speak with their own voice, but she had to wait that long and still longer after that. But she did. Start her campaign before she left the white house. Moved u÷f . Yh to new york. Started a whole new life. Began to be seen socially and began to move away and develop a separate channel. They never got divorced, but 3o they found a way to you know, kind of cohabit in the universe and still help each other. What distinguished her eight years in the Senate Rather . Well, she was faactually ver well like nd the senate. I dont think that you would point to any specific during that period that she was related to though early in her first term, 9 11 happened, and she was the senator from new york when ever that took place. And i think that the key issue and vote that ironically hurt her in 2008 was the vote in 200 o 3 on invading remark and she supported that. Being the senator from new york where the twin towers were hit, and her vote a couple of years later. And one can easily make the case that that vote cost her the democratic nomination because barack obama, who was not in the senate, gave a strong speech opposing the iraq war. One progressive vote in iowa and took off from there. From the time that she had been considering her run for the senate, did she have her eye on the presidency herself or was that an evolution . You know, she was asked i think in early 2000, when she thought we would have a woman president , and she said 2008. I heard her say that. Well, we didnt have a woman president , but shes8lq tried asd as she could to be one. And she thought she would be it. Here is 2008 in new hampshire. This is a pretty familiarg piec of video to those following the campaign. ÷ its not easy. Its not easy. And i couldnt do it4oz if i dit believe passionately it was the right thing to do. You know, i have so many opportunities from this country. Just dont want to see us u fall backwards. I dont. S so. Ultimately, why did that Campaign Fail . It was a mess. As tight as the white house operation was in what they campaign it had all these different factions of hillary people and bill people and a lot of kis disagreements and tactical errors. All that had to do in terms of whether being focused on caucus states, which the obama people figured out. But in the end, it always comes down to the candidacy. The interesting thing about that the interesting thin e it showst a point where barack obama is just winning the emotion vote. His speeches. The energy that he had. The youth and all that. Hillary was considered much of a machine candidate. So there she is trying to show im human, too, but it was a absolutely youre absolutely right, david, and it was mark pen and bill clinton, who said absolutely cant run as a woman. You have to run as a man. You have to be the strongest man in the cabinet. Have to be the commander in chief. She had just lost. She was third place in iowa. Terrible shock to her. She come÷s to new hampshire, jt a small group of women and it was an older woman who sort of asked her, how udyou do it, day after day . That kind of got to her. It was hillary unplugged. Once, you saw a little bit of beingxaa a human human, a woman shen got slammed for crying. She just choked up a bit. There were men crying all over the place who were in politics in that period getting away with it. Ida is in west palm beach, florida. Hi, i drda. Hi, susan, i thank you very much for taking my call again. We spoke when you had the series on Jackie Kennedy and im enjoying this so, so much. I have a quick question. Does the path feel she will run again for the presidency considering all the scrutiny she went through the first time you just alluded to, with her crying not run, is her health going to be a factor . ]c ithank you so mu series. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for watching. I think she cannot not not rp Health Program that would hold her back. She now has the former obama machine. Project usa. Is that what called . Backing her. Which is obamas people. 2 an she has ready for hillary, a grass roots operation thats been going on for a year. Its raise almost a couple of a million dollars. Plus the fact shes always wanted it and shes had so much scrutiny. Nl here we are syracucrutinizing h again and everyone else will be the same. I think shes pretty much bulletproof on whats going on i would never say bulletproof, but i think there primaries, voted for barack obama, who a couple of years after that, were thinking well, maybe hillary would have been a good president or had more he. Everything seems totally pr her. That sends off alarm bells in my mind. . E . Even though it looks like its going to happen, i would counterintuitive to et think Something Else might occur. In june of 2008, Hillary Clinton dropped out of president ial race and endorse and campaigned for barack obama even though the two had had some intense times on the Campaign Trial in the months before that. She agreed to serve as his secretary of state. For her . It was. I just found out more recently, g that discussion with a negotiating position. Didnt just accept right away. He said, i have my own agenda. I want to bring my vital well, david, as she became the most traveled secretary of state. 112 countries visited during her term. We had a caller earlier who commended her for her work on gay rights while she was in the state department. We heard gails thoughts on her promoting the causes of women. But in djnfact, this particula clip of her testimony after the attack in ben gghazi will probay be most remembered for her tenure as secretary of state. Lets watch. We have no doubt they were terrorists, they were militants, they attack aed us, killed our people, but what was going on and why they were doing what they were doing. Again, we were misled. They were supposedly protests then something sprang out of. An assault sprang out of that. And that was easilyif÷ ascerta that that was not the fact. And the American People could have known that within days and they didnt know that. With all due respect, the fact is, we had four dead americans. Was it because of a protest or because guys out for a walk one night decided theyd go kill some americans . What dif runs does it make. It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator. Honestly, ill do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The ic has a process, i understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it per important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice. And then maybe well figure out what was goin g on in the meantime. That was also hillary unplugged in a different way. The hillary that a lot of people have seen and campaigned behind the scenes. Shes angry. I dont think thats staged at all. I think thats the way she was feeling at the time. I think there was some legitimate points she was making and also some of, she said today, that benghazi was her main regret as secretary of state. The fact that more people were killed on her watch. Theres still a lot to be determined about benghazi. The reporters that i tr trust the most who have really explored it for the New York Times and washington post, say its much more complicated than the republicans have tried to portray it. But theres some responsibility that the Obama Administration and state department has for whatever reason. You know, i think a lot of it is a money issue. Cutbacks on providing security for american outposts around the world. Have been severe. I think hillary was very aware of taking care of people in the state department, but didnt think of libya as a place that needed to be fortified in advance and ifpos she could ha done anything really important, that would have beengc it. The larger scheme of thing, t the most remembered many tin shortterm and will be played over and over again if she runs for president , but in the course of x history, people can say, n did she do as secretary of state . In terms of international diplomacy, you cant point to that many accomplishments, but you can point to something that arg to beijing. Going back to gay right, womens righ rights, i think the larger impact shes had on the world has to do with her speaking out so strongly on those issues. We have about five minutes left in our 90 minutes on first lady Hillary Clinton. Were going to take a call from tesz in springdale, arkansas. You there . Yes, im here. Why did hillary get so little coverage as secretary of state when under the Bush Administration, Condoleezza Rice was in the neu ews every day. Thats a good question. Perhaps you know, david. Do you agree that she got co state . I dont know what the difference would be between her and Condoleezza Rice except that when rice was there, we were dealing with wars in a way that hillary was sort of one stepped removed from dealing with iraq and afghanistan. She was focusingu o. Z other things. One of the reasons she didnt show major accomplishments is because Foreign Policy was very much held tight by the white house. She wants Richard Holbrooke as her secretary of state and they would not agree because it would have put too much power in the state department. Davis was given israel. Hillary didnt have a major brief so what she did was make friends around the country and try to undo some of the damage that would be done by the Bush Administration in alienating both allies and exacerbating enemies. The other aspect of that was that when president obama took over, it was the economy. Stupid. As dave car vel said. All of the focus of the presidency was on the economy, so he had to have somebody running Foreign Policy that he felt was confident and trust to do it. But the press and everybody else was paying attention to what was dwoin on dmoesically. Hi, tom. My question is will she win the presidency . Yes or no. I think david answered that with things that are greased dont always play out the way they should. I was hopine ining the packe would win the super bowl. Id be interested in the results, but for whatever i say, i dont know more than you or anybody else in this country. On twitter, Altoona Jason has personal question. Does hillary have any interest or hobbies outside of politics. She seemed singularly devoted to the political world. She doesnt really like to exercise. She doesnt play any instruments. She said she cant sing. Im not sure what else she likes to do. She doesnt like to do her hair. I can tell you that. She said she didncant do it hef and thats why she let it grow long so she could wear it in a ponytail or bun and it took a lot of nudging by her hillary land pals to finally get her to cut her hair. Regina asks is bill a political ally or liability. Lets go back to their how is he see himself with it, now that its her turn to seek the white house . How is he approach thg . Well, you can go back to 2008 and how he approached it there. He was both a liability and help. He loves being a Campaign Manager. For all of his own campaigns, he was both the candidate and Campaign Manager. He loves breaking down every precinct and county in iowa and new hampshire. He knows them all. And he also understands and learned some lessons from 2008 that he has to be careful about what he says and how he affects her candidacy. So i think its both a liabilitity, but he is, in my experience of covering politics for several decades, the smartest politician ive ever met. We are just about out of time. As we close here, i wanted to ask you both. This has been an historical series about the first ladies. We have women still very much with us and still writing their own life stories, but how should we put a cameraer on this discussion of Hillary Clinton . What should people think about her from your reporting and know about her thats significant in the context . I think Hillary Clinton from the beginning, wanted to be helpful in advancing the lives, helpful in advancing the lives, the opportunity and the impact of women and protection of girls and you see in every framework that she has operated in. Right, to this day. I think thats been her greatest impact on the world. She and bill clinton have been in rehab for a long time. But i think she has rehabilitated herself much more than he and he is probably depending on her to make the ultimate rehabilitation if and when she becomes president. We really only skimmed the surface here. So much we didnt talk about, his heart attacks and how that was for the family. What should people know about this woman . I think shes the best known woman in the world. I think shes an incredible story, whether you like her or dislike her and everyone has an opinion strongly one way or the other about her. I think shes a qk pioneer she blazed a path for every woman to follow. In terms of her political career and activism. And shes a survivor, as well as her husband. For all the incredible up and downs and downs of their lives together and moving forward, she keeps going. She once quoted the woody allen line that 90 of life is just showing up and she keeps showing up. So david and gail, thanks very much for being here as cspans first a lady series looks at the life of Hillary Clinton. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Vb tonight on American History tv at 8 00 p. M. Eastern, a look at the life of Michelle Obama. Cspan in cooperation with the White House Historical association, produced a series on the first ladies, examining their private lives and the public roles they play. First ladies, influence and ima image, features individual biographies of the women who served as first lady over 44 administrations. Watch American History tv tonight and over the weekend ond if you enjoyed watching profiles, pick up the book, first ladies. Now available in paperback, hard cover, or as an ebook. American hessry tv history tv on cspan3. Exproering the people and events that tell the american story. Coming up this weekend, saturday, at 2 00 p. M. Eastern on oral histories, an interview with Courtland Cox covering his time attending howard university, his involvement in the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Community and serving as secretary general of the 1974 sixth pan african congress. On sunday a at 4 00, the 1963 news report, the American Revolution of 63, a program on the status of the Civil Rights Movement with protests from albany, georgia, ] birmingham alabama, cambridge, maryland, and[[o in the Northern City of engelwood, new jersey, chicago and brooklyn. At 7 00 p. M. , a discussion on congress and polarization with as well as political sicientist, and at 8 00 p. M. On the presidency. Andrew cohen talks about his book, two days in june, john f. Kennedy and the 48 hours that made history, about two days, june 10th, and 11th, 1963, that Nuclear Arms Race and civil rights. History tv this weekend on cspan3. e]n im here to voice myh support for the courageous people of afghanistan. Women and men who have suffered for years. i84 underbc the tali regime. L one of us has the responsibility to stop the suffering caused by malaria. Because every life in every land matters. Nu and all of us can do something to help. After studying firsti
comparemela.com © 2020. All Rights Reserved.