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Device that is used to maim or kill. For almost two decades, he skillfully evaded identification and capture. We had literal hi hundreds and hundreds of suspects. Dropped out of sight for six years. People thought he was dead. He was obsessed about leaving fingerprint evidence. Nobody has ever seen anybody like theodore ka zin ski. The hunt for the unabomber next. Reporter a simple sketch was almost all investigators had to go on. The facial features were distinct but the head was cloaked by a hood. And the eyes, obscured by Aviator Sunglasses. For more than 17 years, he operated without restraint. In all that time, no one knew who he was or how exactly he chose his targets. Even his victims remained in the dark until he struck. I had never heard of the unabomber before i was injured. I learned about the existence of the unabomber two days after i came home from the hospital. Reporter february 20th, 1987, an unseasonably warm and sunny day in salt lake city. Police and Emergency Personnel respond to a report of an explosion outside cams computer services. Owner, gary wright, had arrived at his office at 10 25 a. M. When i pulled into the parking lot, i noticed that there was a piece of wood over to the righthand side near my secretarys car. Two 2 by 4s that appeared to be nailed together. I thought it is just a piece of scrap lumber from a construction project. Its got nails sticking out of it. I should throw it away, somebody will step on it. But as i bent down to pick it up, this was a slight click and instantly, i could feel this huge pressure in my chest like almost a crushing pressure. And i heard what sounded like a fighter jet going over. At that point, i didnt know that it had been a bomb. What i honestly thought is that someone had shot me with a shotgun. I began to think i may not make it. The explosion has severed nerves in wrights left arm and impaled more than 200 pieces of shrapnel in his body. Investigators quickly determine that gary wright has just become the latest victim of the unabomber. A shadowy figure who has been engaged in a campaign of terror across the country for nine years. The case we caught uthat bomb actually began in may of 1978 and continued until the last bomb was delivered in the u. S. Mail in april of 1995. And during that time, the unabomber placed or mailed 16 devices. Reporter the first device explodes at Northwestern University just north of chicago. Disguised as an ordinary package, the bomb inflicts mor injuries on a University Police officer. A year later, northwestern is hit a second time when another Package Detonates on campus, Graduate Student john g. Harris sustains cuts on his arms and burns around his eyes. Then, on november 15th, 1979, a bomb is placed in the cargo hold of American Airlines flight 444 heading from chicago to washington, d. C. In midflight, it sets off a smoldering fire. 12 passengers suffer smoke inhalation. The pilots were able to land the plane at dulles, shortly before they said to us later that it would have probably burned through the hydraulics and dropped the plane out of the sky. Reporter authorities now begin to suspect the bombings are linked. All doubt is removed seven months later. A suspicious package arrives at the home of percy wood, the president of united airlines. The subsequent Explosion Inflicts cuts and burns over large portions of woods body. Now, come 1980, we know we have a serial bomber. And so, the fbi started working as a Joint Task Force with atf. And because we had bombs in the mail, with the postal inspection service. Reporter the task force dubs the investigation una bomb. Universities and Airline Bombings because those first four bombs were either affiliated with University Locations or with airlines. Reporter from the beginning, the investigation is hampered by a lack of evidence. The unabombers devices are relatively crude, making it difficult to trace them back to their maker. There wasnt a lot of evidence left and the evidence that we could identify, match pieces of wood, nails, were the kind of things that you could buy at any hardware store. We started calling him early, the junkyard bomber because, in fact, he would make these bombs from scratch. He didnt go buy components, and buy pieces of metal and that type of thing. He went out to piles of old abandoned cars to carve off chrome to use in his bomb construction. He used scraps of wood. Well, everything you find at a bomb scene. Every single piece of evidence is critical because, for one, you have to decide how the device functioned. And in in finding out how the device functioned, you look if there is a circuitry involved. Where in most of his devices, created the circuitry. And it was not through a timer like many bombers use. He actually took the time to create the mechanism, to create the circuits and that made it really difficult for investigators. He built his own switches for the bombs from hickory. And when he bought batteries, he would peel off the cover of those batteries so we wouldnt be able to go back and trace where those batteries might have been purchased. There was no evidence that would lend itself to take us to a a particular manufacturer or vendor, sales documents, a persons name on a purchase order. There wasnt anything like that connected with the devices. Reporter but as the attacks continued, the bombs became more sophisticated and more lethal. May 1982, a pipe bomb mailed to the head of the Computer Department at Vanderbilt University in nashville explodes when its opened by a secretary. She sustains severe burns to her hands and shaprapnel wounds to r body. Two months later, at the university of california berkeley, a package explodes when Engineering Professor picks it up. He, too, suffers severe burns and shrapnel wounds. Usually, in bombings or in any kind of serial crime, you can look at what they call victimology and you try and determine perhaps people or businesses or something that all the victims had in common with the suspect or the person who is doing the bombings in this case. With unabomb, none of these people none of the victims over the years had any connections. They go to the same universities. Did they have difficulty with one person and was there a commonality between all the victims . And that was very difficult because we had literally hundreds and hundreds of suspects. Reporter there are no incidents for almost two years. Then, on may 15th, 1985, Engineering Student and aspiring astronaut john hauser is nearly killed when he picks up a parcel left in a Computer Room on the uc ucberkeley campus. And exploded. Blew my arm off to the side hike this and the first thing i thought was, why did they do that . Reporter six months later, a package mailed to the home of a University Of Michigan Psychology Professor explodes when Research Assistant Nicholas Sawino opens it. Sawino sustains burns and shrapnel wounds. The professor suffers some hearing loss. One month later, on december 11th, 1985, the unabomber claims his first fatality with his 11th bomb. Computer rental store owner Hugh Scrutton is killed when he picks up what appears to be a piece of scrap wood. Metal shrapnel penetrates his heart, and tears off his right hand. This bomb contains a clue that had become known as the unabombers signature a metal plate stamped with the letters fc. Fc became one of the standard ways of us being able to tie in one bombing with another. And over the years, became one of the giveaways that this was a unabomb device. But the fc signature shed no light on the identity of the unabomber or even if he was only one person. Throughout the investigation, one of the main questions was is this a lone actor . Or is there a group involved . There wasnt clear evidence, one way or the other, for quite a while. Reporter finally, on february 20th, 1987, investigators got their rst break with the gary wright bombing. One of my employees had actually seen a person place this device outside in the parking lot about 25 minutes prior to when i arrived. He stared at her, emotionless, and once he was done pulling the device out of the balg and setting it there, simply got up and walked away. Reporter the result of the employees description was this nowfamous composite sketch of the suspect. A white male wearing Aviator Sunglasses and a hooded sweatshirt. This was the first time that anybody knew what the unabomber looked like. For all these years prior to that, nobody knew. Reporter but another nine years would pass before the unabomber was actually identified and the truth would be stranger than anyone ever imagined. 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In retrospect, we would have to consider a diagnosis, such as Asperger Syndrome where he had a hard time reading clues of other peoples emotions. Reporter Theodore Ted Kaczynski was born on may 22nd, 1942, to a workingclass family in chicago, illinois. The older of two brothers, he excelled academically. In the 5th grade, tests indicated that his iq was 167, genius level. As he was so smart, he skipped two grades, which then made him even more socially awkward because now he was with students twoyears older than him. Reporter in high school, the shy young genius set his sights on the best harvard university. He was only 16 when he went to harvard. He came from a very modest background and i mean harvard is a very snobby kind of environment. And he was socially maladjusted so it was a disaster for him. At harvard, kaczynski was one of 22 Student Volunteers picked to take part in a Personality Study of gifted undergraduates. What the participants didnt know was that the study was alleged hi part of a secret program funded by the cia and military intelligence. What they did was essentially interview these kids, and put them up against someone who ridiculed them mercilessly. Now, this is something that if you do that to someone who who is not socially confident, anyway, its going to be very, at the least, difficult to deal with. Reporter some experts later surmised that the harvard experiments might have played a role in kaczynskis emotional problems. I think they took advantage of a young, very Vulnerable Person as a subject and they really treated him badly. I mean, they really, you know, played games with their minds. Kaczynski graduated from harvard in 1962. He enrolled at the University Of Michigan in ann arbor where he earned his ph. D. In mathematics at age 24. In 1967, he became an Assistant Professor at the university of california berkeley. Teaching undergrad courses in calculus and geometry. He was the youngest professor ever hired by the university but kaczynski was not popular with his students. He didnt get very good ratings as a teacher at he was very uninvolved with the students. Rather contemptuous of them and their minuscule intellects, compared to his own. During this time, kaczynski was growing increasingly disill hu h lugzed with contemporary society. This is someone who is deeply disturbed and if you cant deal with society as it is or people as they are, how are you going to deal with a society thats changing . It was when he was at ann arbor that he started fantasizing about killing people who were tools of the Industrial Society. But by the time he went to berkeley, he was already determining that he was going to work for a couple years, save up money, and then go move out to the woods and just drop out of society altogether. In 1969, kaczynski abruptly resigned his teaching position. He hater bought land in montana and hand built a new home. This 10 by 12foot cabin without electricity or running water. He soon realized, however, that even in the wilderness, he could not avoid society. It would infuriate him when he would be out in the Wilderness Area people would come through on snow mobiles. That these planes would fly over where he was, he would actually take his 22 and try to shoot at plane at about 40,000 feet because its like he couldnt get away from society and technical thins like that. And so, i think all those things are what drove him to to kind of raliate against society which wouldnt leave him alone. Mr. Kaczynski was alienated from society and once he made up his mind to start killing people, he used all his intelligence to do it. Reporter kaczynski started his Bombing Campaign in 1978. His first devices were somewhat crude and ineffectual. Over the years, he perfected his techniques. Kaczynski kept meticulous notes, and apparently followed his own exploits through newspaper accounts. Producing a chilling record of a man obsessed by killing. In reference to the primitive bomb left on campus at Northwestern University, he wrote i hoped that a student would pick it up and would blow his hands off or get killed. After his second bomb caused minor injuries, he complained, i had hoped that the victim would be blinded or have his hands blown off or be otherwise maimed. I wish i knew how to get hold of some dynamite. As you go through some of the writings that he had written over the years, he makes it very clear that my ambition is to kill a scientist, a businessman, i would even like to kill a Government Official or communist. Reporter he complained, again, after the 1982 bomb that injured the secretary at vanderbilt. No indication that she was permanently disabled, frustrating that i cant seem to make a lethal bomb. Finally, after the attack that killed Computer Rental Store owner Hugh Scrutton, kaczynski wrote, in triumph. Comment Excellent Way to eliminate somebody. 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The unabomber from 1987 to 1993 did nothing. People thought he was dead but what he was doing, he was really learning how to build better bombs. Wasnt until june of 1993 that the unabomber surfaced again, sending a letter to the New York Times saying we are the Terrorist Group Fc. We have more to say and we will get back in touch with you later. Reporter fc apparently stood for freedom club. Theodore kaczynskis assertion that it was a Terrorist Group was another misdirection. Fc would now take responsibility for a renewed wave of attacks. That same month, the unabomber finally struck again. Reporter package bomb blew as dr. Charles epstein opened his mail at his home late tuesday. Reporter Charles Epstein was a renowned geneticist from the university of california San Francisco. Epstein is recovering from four hours of surgery to his hands, arm, and face. News of the bombing hit hard for previous victim gary wright. I came home from work. The news was on and he was back. It unglued me. It was just devastating. Reporter two days later, and 3,000 miles away, another bomb arrid at the office of a Computer Science professor at yale university. I just heard a very loud explosion. And then, we heard a man screaming. Reporter he survived but was seriously injured. Why would anyone want to blow up a professor who specializes in the languages used to Program Computers . Reporter the unabomber was back in action, and investigators were no closer to finding him than they had been when he started 15 years earlier. The unabomber he was obsessed with ensuring that he threw us off the trail forensically. And so, he would do a number of things. The Return Addresses on the unabomb devices were real names of real people at real addresses of, say, their home or place of business. Others were a location that actually existed but actually a phony address. There was no such business at that particular address. And still, others were meant to mock the fbi. For example, on one of the letters the unabomber sent, the address was 9th and pennsylvania Avenue Northwest in washington, d. C. Which of course is the address of the j. Edgar hoover fbi building. In one of the letters, he said the fbi is a joke. The fbi will not be catching us anytime soon. Reporter the fbi, of course, had no idea about the unabombers identity or whereabouts and Ted Kaczynski took great pains to make sure he didnt leave a single clue. He would take files and file everything down after he built something so that he could ensure that he was getting rid of fingerprints. He was obsessed about leaving fingerprint evidence. Reporter kaczynski also planted false clues to throw investigators off the trail. He went to a bathroom at the bus station in ma zu la, montana, and he actually took hairs off the floor of the restroom. And then, in subsequent bombs, he would take those hairs and put them in between layers of tape and the whole idea was when those subsequent bombs exploded at a crime scene, that we would think that hair might have something to do with the unabomber. When he was out on a run to collect information or to collect components for his bombs, he would make sure he had a disguise. He put cotton up his nose, so his nostrils would look bigger. He had a Fake Mustache that he had worn. For another 18 months, everything was quiet. Then, on december 10th, 1994, the unabomber claimed his second fatality. The latest victim was dweer advertising executive thomas mosser. In all, 16 bombs in 17 years at locations all over the united states. Reporter thomas moser was killed by a mail bomb sent to his home in north caldwell, new jersey. As it turned out, moser had been targeted because kaczynski mistakenly believed that he had helped exxon clean up its public image after the exxon oil spill. Just over three months later, the unabombers Reign Of Terror was suddenly overshadowed by a much more destructive blast. On the morning of april 19th, we all get the call that is theres been a terrible bombing in Oklahoma City. So we are really focused on this at this point because everybody is going to be asking is this the unabomber . And we gave our best assessment then we didnt think it was because these are different personalities. These are different types of bombings. One is specific, targeted. The other is a mass murder. Any thought that the unabomber was responsible for Oklahoma City was quickly erased when Timothy Mcveigh was arrested two days after the blast. Ted kaczynski, it seems, had his own agenda and his own time table. When the Oklahoma City bombing was happening, Theodore Kaczynski was already on a bus on his way to deliver the package for sending to his next victim. Reporter on april 24th, just five days after Oklahoma City, a mail bomb killed Gilbert Murray, president of the california Forestry Association, a Timber Industry lobbying group. In an earlier incarnation, the group had been targeted by radical environmentalists. A bomb that was sent to the Forestry Association was actually sent to his predecessor a man named william dennison. But he had retired and mr. Murray had replaced him. The unabomber was very proud of himself. It didnt matter that his bomb had killed the wrong man. They were engaged in the same kind of work, which was antienvironment, in his opinion. And so, it was okay. I had been to a number of bomb scenes over my career, and the last one in sacramento was probably one of the more horrific. The shrapnel is usually what maims or kills the victim. Most of the cases nails, staples, and screws were used. That is an an tipersonnel devie that is used to maim or kill. When you go to those crime scenes, or when you see the devastation that was left behind and then you read about what he says and how he felt about those bombs, its really chilling. Its chilling that someone can think like that, behave like that, and do that kind of thing. Reporter by now, the unabomber had been at large for almost 17 years. We talk about lone actors a lot. How difficult they are to catch. The unabomber was the lone wolf in the most classic sense. Socially, he defined himself as a social cripple. But logically, ironically, because he was so antitechnology, he absolutely had utmost confidence in his ability to keep from blowing himself up. Nobodys ever seen anybody like Theodore Kaczynski. Why go back to reality. When you could go back to the pool . The last day of vacation is still vacation with guaranteed 4pm checkout at over 1,200 Fine Hotels Resorts properties. One of the many reasons youre with amex platinum. I have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis. 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But with the death of Gilbert Murray of the california Forestry Association, the case suddenly takes a surprising turn. Within days, unabomber sent letters to several people and claimed credit for the murray bombing, and started talking about the notion that the Terrorist Group Fc is going to send out a manifesto. A wants either the New York Times or the Washington Post to publish that manifesto. And if, in fact, they do, the Terrorist Group, fc, will desist from committing terrorist acts. Reporter two months later, the unabomber sends a 35,000word manuscript to the New York Times, the Washington Post, and penthouse magazine, among others. Titled Industrial Society and its future, the essay becomes known as the unabomber m manifesto. There were many people who thought the Una Bomb Manifesto was a red herring. I had a Couple Agents come to my office and say we are wasting too much time on the unabomb manifesto. We need so stick with forensics, we need to stick with known facts. Most people in the fbi never even read the manifesto. The popular opinion was that it was nonsense, it was just scribbling. Reporter the media and the fbi are faced with a dilemma. Publishing the manifesto could be seen as giving in to terrorist demands. The last thing we wanted to do is set a precedent that we would be blackmailed into publishing Terrorist Manifestos because every terrorist could come out of the woodwork and decide this is nice, we will try this, too. Attorney general janet reno called us to a meeting, and essentially what we said to her was the reason you should publish this is somebody out there has seen these words before, and they are going to recognize him by his words. The Washington Post publishes the manifesto on september 19th, 1995. After the publication of the unabomb manifesto, we received almost 55,000 calls. We had wives turning in their husbands. We had girlfriendsurning in their boyfriends. We had all kinds of people submitting written samples of peoples work. Reporter among the thousands of people who believed they recognized the style of the writer is linda patrick, the wife of Ted Kaczynskis Brother David. David kaczynskis wife was on sabbatical in paris and saw some excerpts from the manifesto she recognized his phrasing because david had showed her letters from ted. And told her about teds preoccupations. I think its partly that the voice in the manifesto is a chicago voice. Just the grammar, perhaps. The kaczynski brothers have been estranged for several years. When david reads the manifesto, he must confront a sobering realization. David recognized in the m manifesto, echoes of his brothers wording. David said one thing that really, really struck him was seeing the term coolheaded magicians. He said that is directly out of teds mouth. There was a string of teds philosophy in every paragraph, so it was just becoming impossible for them to not push it further. Reporter through a lawyer, David Kaczynski contacts the fbi. He submits a copy of an essay that ted had written in 1971 to compare to the manifesto. It was very clear to me by the third paragraph when the hair on the back of my neck stood up what i was reading which was a 1971 essay, was identical, in many ways, to the manifesto. The biggest problem for david was he was afraid that if the government came to suspect Ted Kaczynski on their own, they would storm the cabin and ted would be killed in the encounter. He wanted to prevent more violence. He didnt want anybody else to die. Davids information leads authorities to teds montana cabin, which is put under surveillance. The fbi proceeds with caution to ensure that any evidence they obtain is admissible in court. But they are also in a race against time. Now, there was some real urgency because we knew this is the primary time over the years that the unabomber had hit the road, and started mailing devices. So we were very concerned while we are trying to put all of this together, he could actually get out, get on a bus, and go and deliver another bomb. Reporter then, just as the task force is putting its plan in place, word leaks out and kicks the operation into overdrive. Director of the fbi and said we have information about who your unabomb suspect is. He is a guy in montana in a cabin and louie said, wait, give us 24 hours. Cbs news told the fbi director we had planned on going to the air tonight with this information. They said well we can hold off unless the competition finds out. Reporter with the clock ticking, the authorities close in on kaczynski and when the news breaks, its on the fbis terms. Few hours ago, u. S. Law enforcement agents took into Custody A Montana Man suspected of being the mysterious unabomber. Our clients come to us with complicated situations that occur in their lives. 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Are you a christian author with a book that youre ready to share with the world . Get published now, call for your free publisher kit today april 2nd, 1996. While the Unabomb Task Force scrambles to attain a Search Warrant on ted kaczy zin skis cabin, dozens of agents descend on montana. We flew about 150 people from San Francisco into montana on the last two flights out. And got everybody in position. We show chose some members to do work in the mountains to cut off any maces kaczynski might run. By the next morning, the arrest team is ready to move in. With the help of a local forestry agent, kaczynski is lured from his cabin and taken into custody without incident. After 16 attacks, 26 victims, and almost 18 years, the hunt for the unabomber is finally over. Theodore kaczynski never expected any Law Enforcement would get anywhere near his cabin in montana and it is a good thing he didnt because he would have bookie trapped that thing and blown it sky high. Investigators care carefully begin to search the cabin. The cabin smelled inside. He had a bathroom that he literally had to dig into the floor of the cabin. There was no running water. There was no electricity. Theodore kaczynski himself smelled terribly, and probably hadnt taken a shower for a long, long time. In fact, probably not since his last bombing because there was no place to take a shower. This was not your lake tahoe chalet. Inside the tiny structure lies a Treasure Trove of evidence. The cabin was a bomb factory. There were all kinds of containers and in those containers, he had essentially handmade bomb components. In one container, he had extra switches. Those hickory switches. Some of which, we found at crime scenes. He had containers that had formulas on them and we came to find out later these are mixtures of where he had experimented and there were a number of notebooks. Those notebooks contained what came to be over 30,000 pages of handwritten notes because all of these years he had spent in the cabin, he had been keeping journals. He had been keeping copious notes of everything he had done and of all his bomb experiments. But he threw us a curve because when we went to go through those notes, severalhundred pages of them were written in a mat Mathematical Code. When we sent all this back to the fbi hab, they said this Mathematical Code is probably more complicated than anything we have seen since the height of the cold war from the kgb itself. Reporter during the search of his cabin, investigators discover that kaczynski had no intention of stopping his campaign of terror. They found a live device underneath his bunk. It turned out that he, as we had surmised, was not going to honor his promise not to send any more bombs. This things ready to go. All it needed was the address and the postage and it would have been gone. Reporter a Federal Grand Jury indicts Ted Kaczynski on multiple counts of ill heelly transporting, mailing, and using bombs. The government will also seek the Death Penalty for the murders of Hugh Scrutton, thomas moser, and Gilbert Murray. Faced with overwhelming evidence tying him to the unabomber crimes, kaczynskis courtappointed lawyers attempt to enter an Insanity Defense to save him from execution. Kaczynski adamantly objects. He distrusts any Mental Health professionals. He thinks they are mind control and and he is very proud of his rational reasoning ability and the idea that he was any way affected with any kind of Mental Illness would go just to the heart of who he was. Mr. Kaczynski had a very, very strong belief that he did not want to be labeled mentally ill. Number one, he did not believe he was mentally ill. And number two, he did not want to taint his philosophical view where he was trying to influence the public as being discarded as the ravings of a madman. He would prefer the Death Penalty, rather than being labeled mentally ill. As his trial date approaches, kaczynski tries to get his courtappointed lawyers dismissed. The judge said, no, we will not let you have different attorneys because it would take at least three months for new attorneys to get up to speed. We have already impaneled the juries. We brought witnesses in from around the country. We brought victims in. So, then kaczynski said in that case, i will defend myself. And i dont need three months to get up pro se. And i dont need three months to get up to speed. And at that point, the judge said, no, i wont allow it. Kaczynski that night attempted to hang himself in his jail cell with his underpants. The suicide attempt, along with other factors, prompts the judge to order an examination by forensic psychiatrist sally johnson. Dr. Johnson diagnoses kaczynski as suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, but declares him competent to stand trial. The Defense Experts and sally johnson, who was neutral, who has no axe to grind, concluded that he actually was psychotic. And her diagnosis of him being psychotic caused the government to be willing to allow him to plead guilty and take the Death Penalty off the table. He had two choices. Either took the plea bargain. Or we went ahead with the trial, and we felt we were required to and were going to present evidence of mental condition. The idea of that was so devastating to him, hed rather plead guilty. In january 1998, kaczynski agrees to a plea agreement. Under which he pleads guilty and is sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He was willing to accept the Death Penalty rather than to besmirch his philosophy. But given the choice of pleading guilty and avoiding the Death Penalty, he chose to take it. On january 22nd, 1998, Theodore Kaczynski, aka the unabomber, is sentenced to life in prison without parole. During his sentencing hearing, some of his victims are allowed to address him directly. I didnt see any contrition or any sort of guilt on his face. I only saw shock on his face when i told him that i forgave him. Then that was the point i knew that i had him. Designated a domestic terrorist by the fbi, Ted Kaczynski is currently incarcerated at the supermax facility in fremont county, colorado. In some ways he probably does a lot better there in that extremely structured environment than he ever did when he was living up in the wilderness in montana. And he always had problems dealing with other people. The fact hes isolated there probably is not as difficult for him as it would be for a lot of other people. Kaczynskis cabin was seized as evidence and removed from the property. It is now on display at the newseum in washington, d. C. On august 10, 2006, judge garland burrell jr. Ordered that the personal items confiscated from the cabin be sold at auction and that the proceeds go to the bombing victims. The auction raised over 232,000. Ted kaczynskis Brother David received the 1 million reward for the unabombers capture. After paying his legal expenses, he donated the rest of the reward money to the families of his brothers victims. He said, i know i could have had my brothers blood on my hands through an execution, but i couldnt have innocent peoples blood on my hands. After the trial, gary wright and david developed a close friendship. They have appeared together at numerous speaking engagements. We speak on social justice issues. We speak on healing and forgiveness and stuff like that. People are always saying, wow, thats such an unlikely friendship. David kaczynski no longer speaks publicly about his brothers crimes. He is currently the Executive Director of a tibetan monastery in upstate new york. Three people were killed outright by kaczynskis bombs. 23 other people were injured, some severely maimed. But investigators never discovered a definitive pattern to the unabombers victims. You never really fully come to terms with understanding why he would do this, why he would pick such random victims in some respects, and you know, do the things he did. You and i would never think that way. Ted kaczynski, like Timothy Mcveigh, was a game changer with respect to terrorism. If we go to a Federal Office Building or we get our mail, these are places where we expect safety. And, indeed, the Postal Service changed their methods for accepting and transporting packages and mail due to Ted Kaczynski. Chief among the changes in postal security is the requirement that packages weighing more than 13 ounces be mailed in person at a post office, rather than placed in a mailbox. But beyond the security measures, the biggest impact of kaczynskis campaign of terror has been on the victims. In the years since the bombings, at least four have died of natural causes. But others still bear the scars, both physical and emotional. You will never be the same. You accept it. You will never have closure. There is no such a word as closure. Closure does not exist. Life is different. Now you get to choose what youre going to do with it. You can be bitter. You can be angry. Or you can be happy. Those are your choices. While some of Ted Kaczynskis victims have managed to move on, it seems that kaczynski himself never will. Ted kaczynski has absolutely no feelings of remorse or sympathy or regret or anything for any of his victims. They were all soldiers of the Technological Society as far as he was concerned. He had a higher purpose, and they were immaterial to him. 911. Theres blood coming out of her nose and her mouth. It was an unprecedented wave of terror that struck in and around our nations capital. You had 9 11. This is one year later. Over 23 days, 10 people are targeted for death. There was always just a single shot. Montgomery county. Someone has been shot on our back lot. Hes bleeding real bad. The victims are diverse. Women, men, young, old, black, white. The motive is unknown. Were not sure if we had a terrorist operation. The panic is escalating

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