Look at the problems there. First i would like to introduce our Panel Including myself. Doctor pills very the foremost china expert in the world. Currently senior fellow and director of the chinese strategy at the hands Hudson Institute. Distinguish policy advisor. I can tell you definitively it has changed the us militarys thinking only a number of years ago. The First American official that revealed what they were telling themselves militarily is quite different than how they wanted to be friends in the world. And then to have a tremendous impact on understanding the military his book is a Landmark Book the 100 year marathon. Is one of the only places with the chinese defectors. And then reveal what is going on. And a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and as a distinguished china expert to spend time as a bomber pilot and has been inside of china as a Defense Attache to track down the inside story of china. His book is called stealth war. Im National Security correspondent for the Washington Times and author of eight books my most recent book is called deceiving the sky. It is a followon to a book i wrote 20 years ago called the china threat. And then i gained quite a reputation back in 2006 when the Chinese News Agency described me as the number one anti china expert in the world to which i respond i very much pro chin china, pro Chinese People that very much opposed to the communist party system. Was big them at the first panelist doctor pills very doctor pills very. Thank you. I will review a new publication coming out in two weeks from the Hudson Institute you can get it online. It is called a guide to the Trump Administration china policy and has a link to the 200 statements and interviews by President Trump and the top members of his team. There has been a lot of misunderstanding and the left has attacked and what his team has said and done the last three and a half years. I think we will have more attacks on the president to be too soft on china running commercials where they imply President Trump is soft on china and Vice President biden comes on says eyewear demand president xi tell us what happened in move on with the virus. And i will save you against President Trump. I believe the president s policy toward china, the three cs, cs, clear and coherent and comprehensive. If you go through the documents according to the subject matter i will give you some examples of among conservatives on china is very wide its not altogether clear where we are going with the china policy over the last three decades or what will happen in the next two decades. A conservative reporter called jesus in beijing came out about ten years ago and forecast christianity will take over china and the leading largest nation in the world of christians will be china. Totally wrong. He misunderstood some trend one some trends is a positive thought it would be nice. Completely false. The other is the coming collapse of china Vice President pence address this directly at Hudson Institute. The coming collapse of china over many months was the number one book in america on china. The coming collapse of china. I like the author very much is name is gordon chang. I said dont predict a year that china will collapse. Leave some flexibility. He said no. It will be 2012. It came out in 2001. Vice president penson his speech at hudson said since 2001, china gdp their economic strength has grown by how much . Ten times. Was data coming collapse . Know. In 2012 Foreign Policy magazine asked gordon give us an article. When will china collapse because that means it wont be a problem very long so he wrote the article. They said give us when it will. I would have said i dont know maybe 2050 or who knows he wrote again 2013. One more year. This point of view infects a lot of thinking about china. Looking at the Trump Administration statements you begin to get idea what the president is saying. Number one. He has said at least ten times he has tweeted or said it ten times. If Hillary Clinton had won the election, china would be surpassing is now. That is extremely important. The president and his team see china as coming close to us with the rate of economic growth, military growth and other indicators are not to be trifled with to think this is an easy challenge. I also want to mention my own book. I make mistakes throughout my career. I thought i was one of the original that china would align with us not only to get to the soviet union but help us in the world as a whole. President nixon thought that and really there was the sit on recently declassified memorandums and president nixon told premier mouth we need you to relieve the burden of global governance. We need china to have more armaments so we can have less. 1972. See how the thinking has consequences over the years . I believe that myself. When he turned back to the Trump Administration statements what are the points they are making is the scale of the challenge. It is in panama or venezuela. Its not a small country we are dealing with. Nuclear weapons, serious navy and most important, a growth rate averaging more than 10 percent 35 years. It now looks like, nobody has an exact number but Technology Theft was one part of that rapid growth. There were two other parts for what we do next. Number one was american capital. We seem to have been the largest investor in china for 30 years. No one seems to know how to undo that. Is not even in an exact number. Some people think it is several trillion us dollars invested in china. Companies, private equity, general spalding begins his book with the story. He wants to write a paper, fresh out of the air force he tells the story in the first few pages. The think tank president said we cannot find your projects. He said billionaires and various people who have made money from china. This is an enormous problem. If we are influenced deeply about capital for china, how do we undo that . It will take legislation which leads to my second point of what we do next and where growth came from. Technology, restricting us capital takes legislation to my counted more than 80 examples currently of bills introduced by congressman or senators to impose costs on china including being able to sue china for damages for the china virus. Generally speaking all this legislation attracts i was a Senate Staffer for ten years when they cared about something they would tell the staff go find cosponsors sometimes ill say that the cosponsors so these 80 bills are being introduced sometimes with zero cosponsors other than the one who drafted it and they are going nowhere. No hearings. The leadership doesnt put them up for a vote. We are in deep trouble the senators and congressmen come on television. They come on fox news. They see an audience of 4 million people. The host more and more they say senator, how is your bill doing cracks how many cosponsors do you have . At extremely constructive that people dont get away with virtue signaling. I might china i want to stop them here is my bill and here is the people i meet with in china have phds from american universities i would advise the Chinese Government president xi daughter harvard graduate others yale graduate. The understand the system extremely well. My last point is how are americans influencing operations inside china . Do are ambassadors speak mandarin fluently . Its never happened. To are somewhat good but not Television Show fluent in either with a. What about our programs . They are blocked. They are jammed. But what about the magazine no more usia but then to say i would like to do that inside china. It would be very difficult some senators propose this and what happened to the legislation just like i said it is dead and goes nowhere. Except on fox news i have a plan and nothing happens. You have time to promote my own book if anyone is interested based on a history of declassified documents. How naive and delusional president s and policymakers including myself trying to have 100,000 copies eight languages its a bestseller so this is my challenge for general spalding his book has sold 33000 copies so i am six times more but that doesnt mean the quality of my book is higher it just means his is better not to mention our moderators build book i dont know his sales figures but i hate to deliver bad news but it seems to me we are in for a long cold war with china with the early phases and so far President Trump has turned things around and it is possible he has a successful formula that we are a long way to go before china becomes the china we all thought what happened before. How is that for an Opening Statement . Excellent. Well said. You mentioned legislation all the best things done regarding china has been in legislation. Policy can be changed administration to administration. The taiwan relations act after they recognize beijing diplomatically. Also the annual military power report its important to codify these things and we see that what the Trump Administration. Lets turn to general spalding. Its interesting and when i got to the pentagon in 2014 so just read the concluding chapter you can have a synopsis of what he was trying to say and essentially that we bent over backwards to help the Chinese Communist power to go into the power that it is. And i got to the pentagon 2014 i was very much a panda hugger. In fact michael taught me what he would say now is a super haw hawk. But i dont feel myself to be hawkish. I look at to defend American People and way of life. But now with the National Security strategy, to be clear and concise and comprehensive its about how we turn things around. While it has been noted that hasnt been widely understood so its about the background and context behind the National Strategy what the administration is attempting to do if you want to know about how successful the president s Foreign Policy has been, i would refer you to the uk decision allowing huawai to build a 5g network. The media would have you believe that decision was made overnight or over a couple of months as a result of the coronavirus but it demonstrates the power of the diplomatic effort by the department of state and National Security council beginning the First Quarter 2018 after the National Security strategy wa was, that diplomatic effort is something that we describe in the National Security council as forging a new but before you have a plan or strategy you have to understand the problem. The main problem we were addressing is the inability of the United States to get the interest promoted within International Institutions and the lack of geopolitical power in those institutions. The primary reason was because most of the nation in those institutions look to china and the model is economic and political and social and more beneficial. With the view of the world free trade and democracy and rule of law. And the fact United States needed to forge a new consensus similar to the western consensus to bring democracies together again in a tight relationship economically, financially and then to match it is already Strong Military alliances. That decision by the uk is emblematic of how successful that initiative in diplomacy has been. But to the coronavirus and the aftermath many people talk about the origin. We cannot get investigators into china into the lab to talk to the researchers working to understand the line of effort or the research or what happened. There is any relation. And that wasnt that they accidentally was over the spread of the virus but a manifestation and the institution but they directly spread the virus. January 7 president xi himself said he is in charge of the wuhan crisis. On the 13th of january media reports about human to human transmission that have come out in china. In fact on the 14th of january and we talk about limited human transition. What happened between januar jah were here is in charge and those that were there when he shut down wuhan. Not only was a Chinese Communist party putting pressure on who not to discuss transmission but also locking down the spread of that information within china. In fact, at the same time so then to turn into that but at the same time they shut down Domestic Travel from wuhan that allowed International Travel to go forward. That has a net effect to put them into the lead position with the spread of the pandemic. They knew it would impact Chinese Society but they wanted to make sure it impacted other societies as well and they have the means to profit and michael pills very talks about it with the second cold war and the pandemic is opening shots of the second cold war. Interestingly not only do they uncork the spreading pandemic but they also uncork a new form of diplomatic and informational war. And michael is a very good historian he can talk about watching and then compared to the nationalist party. But as a strategist i can tell you that the way the chinese think about more and as opposed to the way that we look at it specifically with peace time and were time and that and you use warfare to get but that the entire war is the political war and in fact the coronavirus is the beginning of a political offensive against the free world. And those diplomatic efforts they have that wall for your diplomacy to spread the idea coronavirus did not manifest itself in china but spread by the United States. Just like they said it was spread by sprain on spain. But those 40 percent of social media posts that is the influence of social media with the same activity to follow the rise and the alluding that come on the tail of the coronavirus the looking at what two people is called unrestricted warfare. Another translation is war without rules. There is no difference between peace time more were time and so think about that in the context of but then to go around that line and then to conquer it. In the United States we built a wonderful machine for war , space force, marines, army, navy that really protects the physical manifestation of our world from invasion when in fact and the information and politics. In other words they are trying to change the character of our society and political process. So the second cold war will be nothing like the first cold war in where america strengths align very well with the soviet union. They have been turned into vulnerabilities. In fact so they so that technology and talent and capital from free society and the essentially comprehensive battle for hearts and minds in the free world and be very successful those that believe the Chinese Communist party has a better system many diplomats in the eu and United Nations believe so as well and it is the constitution that essentially has given us a shot because in the constitution and it says rather than the leaders of the country, having dominion over the population and then to elect new leaders to what i would call it think we will see Political Warfare at a hyper scale Going Forward but its important to note here in the United States its not necessarily between the right and the left but this idea of a constitutional democracy versus more authoritarian system. In fact the more we understand that it is not a partisan divide. And how they should govern their governments. That is the center Going Forward. General spalding was instrumental to bring about an awareness of the 5g issue which of course with the technology confrontations. I like to spend a few minutes on the china threat. I like to start off talking about the china threat. It brings me back to the late 19 nineties. I was doing a story on the pla and the Defense Intelligence agency gave me a background briefing. Went to the pentagon into the secure area and they gave me a vanilla briefing on pla. At the end a kernel said the general would like to see you the defense of the Senior Intelligence agency. He said at the other end of the table and said , bill, china is not a threat. I was shocked. Why do you think that . s response was because they tell us they are not a threat. [laughter] [laughter]. After that in the early 2000 it came to be public that one of the top china analyst within the Defense Intelligence agency turned out to be a chinese spy. He was convicted of mishandling classified information. He was not convicted as a spy. The claes revealed he had close ties to two military Chinese Military attaches at the Chinese Embassy in washington and there was a compromise of some serious classified information. You could see this issue of the china threat, i titled my 2000 book the china threat, which is a play on what the Chinese Communist party and government call the china threat theory. In other words, as mike knows, the chinese diplomatic koren and intelligence personnel are cast to study around the world the level of opposition to the communist partys modernization program. They take their actions accordingly. The play on it was the china threat, in my new book, which came out 20 years later deceiving the sky, i spend a lot of time looking at Chinese Communist ideology. Id like to spend my time talking about for recent speeches which have been given by senior truck administration officials. Ive been fortunate enough to actually have traveled with white house National Security advisor Robert Obrien and just last week secretary of state mark sperm pale abfor their speeches. The first speech was given by Robert Obrien in phoenix. It was a landmark speech and a highlevel speech in the sense that it identified communist ideology for the first time a senior official had really come out and said, we are facing not just a economically powerful communist party of china but a communist party and Chinese Government which remain marks that the marxistleninist ideology is motivating their actions. I can remember mike and i many years ago we did a debate new york on whether china was a threat abthey have a statues of all the communist leaders marx, engels, lenin, even stalin still revered in china, in fact, that was one of the key points of obrien speech was that China Remains a stalinist state. They never rejected stalin. The second major speech that was given more recently the fbi director Christopher Wray and this was another unprecedented speech. In fact, director ray said that the information he provided in his speech about chinese intelligence and economic espionage was the most information this view that the chinese are of the 5000 cases that the fbi is investigating, half are related to chinese. This is an amazing story and its unfolding on almost a weekly basis as a reporter who has covered these issues i can remember a decade would go by before an administration would prosecute a chinese spy cam under the Trump Administration chinese spine has taken a massive hit. Just last week as i was flying home from los angeles with secretary of state pompeo i was able to write a story about a chinese singaporean consultant whos indicted basically for being an unregistered chinese agent almost on a weekly basis chinas agents are being uncovered at the fbi is now focused on what it serious problem and has not been fully rectified yet. They are beginning to first of all identify these people beginning to inform them that you could in fact be prosecuted under the ferris statute, foreign agents registration act, which makes it a crime to lobby and be representing a foreign governments interest without first registering. Weve seen a few of those cases surfaced in recent months. Last was i think the cap of the four speeches was by secretary of state mike pompeo at the Nixon Library a very poignant venue for that. Before the speech pompeo was given abthe speech was informative because for the first time secretary of state pompeo was saying that the engagement policy, the policy of unfed engagement of the peoples republic of china had failed, the idea behind that engagement policy was that if we traded with china, if we engage them diplomatically, economically, and politically on every level that this would have a moderating influence and would lead to a changing of that system that they wouldve banned in communism and see that should develop a free and open system. It was an utter failure. What i call in deceiving this guy as for your gamble. This idea that if we just trade with china they would become a moderate nonthreatening power as failed. What we are seeing now is the early stages of brandnew policy doesnt go far enough in identifying china as the enemy. The reason for that is because china is engaged in unrestricted warfare against the United States. This is a cold war. The problem has been the only one side has been fighting it, thats china. The u. S. Has been asleep at the wheel up until the Trump Administration and now they are beginning to recognize that we face a foe that the next essential threat. We have many different threats around the world, russia, iran, north korea but in my view there is one supreme threat, that is dealing with china. It will take all of her energy as a nation to deal with that threat and counter that threat. I present ideas and solutions for that. I think the first step is to go beyond declaring china as a strategic competitor but declare them as an enemy to realize that they are working to not just undermine our system but to literally destroy it. Xi jinpings notion of the china dream is really a chinese nightmare where china assumes a supreme role and on order for china to achieve that role they must diminish and ultimately defeat the United States. I would go back in summing up here on the intelligence issue. I focus a chapter on this issue of the u. S. Intelligence community has been woefully deficient in understanding the threat from china. This is been a problem thats been going on for years, its been very little has been written about it. Its beginning to come to the fore but for many years our intelligence agencies were giving us bad information. That problem of analysis, of analyzing the collected information took a major hit beginning in 2010 and thats when chinese intelligence or counterintelligence was able to begin unraveling the cias recruited Agent Network inside china. As many as 27 of the cia agents were caught, many were executed including one that was brought out into the Central Square of one of the ministries and executed on the spot in front of a large number of chinese intelligence personnel. The message was unmistakable, the United States really needs to continue this policy of really confronting china, i really making sure that we bring about a different kind of system they are. You could call it regime change, i think the terms that pompeo used was to induce change in china, that is to use their levelers of power, economic, political its controlled by powerful families, some of them in shanghai, some of them beijing, some of them in other parts of the country, they operate on a family level. They stolen billions and billions of dollars from the Chinese People as part of this modernization thats been underway. We understood that they been stealing u. S. Technology and intellectual property to the tune of 250 billion a year to as much as 600 billion a year. The Trump Administration is trying to cut that off with the idea of lets see if the chinese miracle can survive without stealing American Technology . It might be difficult to cut them off and see if they can survive. At this point we will be i will conclude their and we will accept any questions that anyone has right now. We got about 15 minutes more [inaudible question] [inaudible question] [inaudible question] let me summarize the question im not sure the audience was able to hear. Frank athey from the center for Security Policy asked about the president abhe asked the question about does the president have Current Authority to prevent pla linked companies from doing business in the United States . I would say Frank Gaffney is correctional he is correct. The president does have the power to declare emergencies and conduct punishment or cost opposing strategies toward china. He actually did that in the case of the hong kong executive order. A lot of people are astonished because the press did not actually cover that emergency declaration. Its actually on the first page of the executive order. So yes, the president can do that, the president s ive known hesitate to get out in front of the congress on controversial issues. You are right, but to defend myself, i would say the president probably looks at how very few cosponsors there are for all these bills i mentioned, actually, not 80 commits 120. The white house can see that yes, we have rob spaldings great book, bill brooks many great bill gertzs great book, opposing nixons trip while he was there in his trip saying these are nazis, we have unlimited 50 years of conservative warnings but president s tend to look at consensus or the majority view or how much will i be attacked or this. I think my view is still correct that legislation maybe not totally necessary but it would certainly help a lot. You sound like youre a former Senate Staffer. [laughter] i believe the president has many authorities i think the answer that Michael Crawford is only partially correct because the political ais very much driven by where the corporate sector and wall street donates their money. In fact, theyve all been incentivized by the Chinese Communist party to because the profits they burned. On behalf of the Chinese Communist party. Its not just politics, its also about the money trail if you follow the money trail will find it leads through Corporate America and wall street directly to the Chinese Communist party. In essence what the party does is essentially curry favor in our political system to these connections. On the issue of decoupling, one of the policy suggestions being raised his need to decouple our economy from china. Thats part of the problem we are so integrated right now, the figures you mentioned in trillions of dollars in investment in china the United States can just walk away from china right now but they need to do it in a way thats responsible and careful and protects american interests. My view is that President Trump is a very transactional figure, he is not a career politician, he works through things that happen and doesnt want to foreclose his way of doing a deal with someone. All the best things that have happened as i mentioned earlier related to legislation and despite the hyper partisanship in washington these days, one area of emerging bird bipartisanship is the issue of the china threat and i think that needs to be developed and we need to find a way to really build up a bipartisan consensus and i think that we can get some legislation that will fix a lot of these problems. There is a challenge here, thats the fundamental misunderstanding of the Chinese Communist party. There is a belief if you find yourself the bottom of the hall is the first thing to do is stop digging. The problem is the Chinese Communist party is convinced wall street and Corporate America that they should keep digging, somehow they will get the money back. This is the challenge we face. The questions . Somebody should add that the role of the committee and present danger in china we are lucky to have the vice chairman here is really very important. The committees website, its activities, its meetings, this is really something sending a message that this is not really a small minority of people worried about china, its a Broader Group than that and i think the membership is going from the beginning. Thats really we have a couple final moments do want to make some comments. Nixon says we need him because hes the most famous conservative of the time. Another example is constantin mingus in the book i think you wrote the forward to constantin mingus wrote a very long 700 pages or so book called the gathering storm. Very detailed, specific idea will stop the u. S. Should sponsor and fund a Chinese Government or parliament in exile that meets annually and talks about ideas to induce change in china. Nothing happened. The idea still creeps around ended hundred year marathon i checked on how much money do we spend as a federal government on democracy, rule of law, information operations, inside china. I would say at most 50 million a year. The department of justice has a program, state usaid, most of our departments actually have programs inside china. 50 million is nothing. This is a 14 to 15 trillion economy. There to surpass us if we dont do it the right thing. We cant afford more than 50 million democracy and human rights and rule of law projects in china its just ridiculous. I dont want to be pessimistic, no dave brat is an optimist by nature but weve got to turn things around before its too late. The book was called china the gathering threat. Its important to understand the power of Silicon Valley and our Information Space today. In the power that led to the Chinese Communist party the ability to influence individuals using their own data. I think this is a cheap challenge of 5g its not just about aits all about ali baba the chinese version of facebook amazon and google. To eventually dominate facebook, amazon and google and dominate the world, the chinese strategy for Artificial Intelligence is to become the saudi arabia of data and thats really what they are doing today. My final comments we need to break through the firewall in china and get information into the Chinese People if we do that the Chinese People will get rid of the communist party of china. Thank you all. [applause] i like to moderate but i know when the panel is above my pay grade. I add asked bill gertz to moderate this panel. Liberty students are watching weve got a ton of folks streaming to different channels across country. I will let you know who you just heard from. These are the three best book authors in the country by far and all of their titles are not exactly rosy scenario, theyre not optimists. Im an optimistic calvinist if there is a thing. Michael pillsbury, 100 year marathon, its a war. In the general and stealth war and bill bill gertz on deceiving the sky. All three of these gentlemen, please google them learn from them, look at their bios they just said was profound more than i can put in 30 seconds. Its an honor to be on a stage with these three gentlemen and i will just personalize this, their books and the message they deliver is risky for them to be out there putting out the truth the way they do it. I want to thank them on behalf of the Falkirk Center lets give them a big round of liberty applause. Thank you gentlemen for all you do. 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Tonight we are going to be looking at some programs with the late awardwinning novelist Toni Morrison. She was the author of numerous books which included the novels beloved, song of solomon and the bluest eye she received the nobel prize nobel prize in literature in the ab Toni Morrison even though a novelist appeared on booktv and over the next several hours we will show you some of those programs. First up in 2001 she was a guest on our monthly Author Interview program in depth where she discussed her books, her writing process and answered viewers questions. Toni morrisons first book the bluest eye was published in 1970 when she was nearly 14 years old over the next 40 years she published six more novels and numerous works of nonfiction. Her writing has received all literally the worlds highest honors, National Book critics award, National Book foundation medal, pulitzer in 1993 the nobel prize for literature. Through all this she has continued to teach new generations of writers from her base at princeton university. For the next three