Me. Im sure they will be upset about missing their endoscopys. Of having done the prep without the procedure. Thats what they will be really irritated at. Its all right. They all know. I am keenly aware we you are here. We have about 30 minutes im going to be a facilitator of paul talking. I want to thank you for entitling chapter 2 practice and policy. What that taught me is if you highlight a word. Will know exactly what im talking about. The revolution that john just mentioned, im going to say john, even though its doctor. Was, the only time in recorded history that a slave revolt has led to the founding of a nation. When we heard about the french revolution, and its probably red promises of liberty. How could that be true if there were slaves . How could that be a human rights revolution . The answer is the haitians said it couldnt be true. It wasnt real. No offense to anybody here who is from france. Especially because i really love french food. It could not be meaningful without the haitian revolution. The haitians will tell you, this is across all spectrums of haitian society. Most in the rural regions. Places youve now visited as a physician. Its mostly through books, reading books theyve written. Across that spectrum, haitians will tell you that no small amount of their current problems are related to the haitian revolution. And the price they paid for pushing forward these ideas. I said, how can you see that in a more concise way . Thats why i took this medical metaphor, for those who are not in medicine, we talk about the history of illness. Thats when someone comes in with a complaint. They say well ive been coughing, in my case, usually people are coughing for weeks and losing weight or whatever it might be. And then you gather the history of the illness. You find out when this started. One of the things we like to do. I put this in the bud. In my work of infectious disease, we always go chronologically. The patient may or may not have an idea of when they usually do. Going back in time to when that patient was well and moving forward. Haiti was never well. It was a slave colony and that it was this pariah nation being punished by the great powers of the time and frightening to the United States. I always quote in books about haiti, on the senate floor. The senator from one of our states. I wont mention which but its south of north carolina. Saying, the safety of our country forbids that we even talk about haiti. This is on the senate floor. An officer there were still slaves in the u. S. The first envoy we sent was one lincoln sent the first ambassador. The United States and haiti have this complicated history that goes back before the revolution when we cited with the slave owners as the only other independent nation in the hemisphere. So we have this history almost as two countries. As an american writing about haiti, thats always on my mind too. That sets the stage because people say haiti is a lost cause. They cant get their act together. Really without knowing the history, you cant even start to talk about it. Thats one part of the book. You set the stage to even think about haiti. Coming into it for is hard for people to get it. Lets talk about the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Which is ngos. Ive been to haiti several times now and ive seen the amazing work that ngos, including i was there the day the cholera outbreak started. I saw interviewed him. He was astounding. Colleagues from Doctors Without Borders and other organizations. I saw the difference between the healthcare people got in the mission and then just going about several miles down the road to the Public Hospital, which was astounding. Never seen anything like that in my life. There were literally no doctors there when i walked in. There were three guys that didnt have their m. D. Sitting there. And they would call other doctors. They had to bring their own sheets. There was no electricity. You cannot imagine. You have this big difference between the public and the private. But, there have been, the critics would say theres this codependency between the ngos and the public government. You talk about this friction between taking care of the patient whose right in front of you. Thats the doctor. Doctor farmer. Youre always doctor farmer. And taking care of the whole system. Anthropologist, Public Health experts. You talk about the chief tension in your life. Talk about that and this whole controversy. The tension and the controversy, i will try to attack both of those. I am here with friends who perry met. Who just came in from new york. Weve been working on some policy projects together. That sounds like, 9 00 at night, everybody would just, pitch forward in their seats and start snoozing. I dont find policy discussions that interesting. But they are crucial to getting this right. When we talk about, were not just talking about destroyed infrastructure. For example, you were when the cholera outbreak started. Theres an entire history of where it came from and where its going. I hope we have a chance to discuss it. That area was not touched by the earthquake. So what you saw when there is no electricity and no doctors and terribly underfunded Public Sector. And pretty good ngo work. What you saw is part of what needs to be the tension between policy. I shouldnt have used the term it was smartypants, marxist. Let it go. [laughter] that was the longest take i had ever seen. He pulls off the masking tape and then 20 minutes later, the guy goes, ow. Did i make that comment 20 minutes ago . [laughter] the practice sounds like a neurological term to mean. That tension between taking care ofsomeone right in front of you and thinking about the right policy is the one we should all be confronting. If we care about Building Back better. Its not about our own personal likes. I like seeing patients. Cholera is a great example. You can have as many patients as you want because the epidemic is out of control. Youhave to 425,000 patients already. That translates to 12 Million People in the United States. 6000 dead is 180,000 dead. It could be an undercount as you know is reporting capacity is so weak. So this attention is in our lives and it should be. Regardless of what our own in your life, for example. You see patients but every time you go on the air or go to haiti or somalia, youre also taking on big picture. I think its the same thing when i write a book. You are seen by millions of viewers. And for people read my book. Im not bitter about it. I know jamie from Public Affairs is here so she is fighting. You didnt let me finish the second part of the question. You remember . The 800 pound gorilla in the room. The codependency, just to jog your memory, john. [laughter] afterwords, we have a ct set up for you. I think an mri would be the way to go. Heres my chance also to say thank you to abby gardner and jenny block and who contributed to the book and helped to bring it into existence. It takes a village as you said. But, by the way, when you read this book. Read the end. The parts at the end that jenny wrote. And especially the witnesses to what was going on in rural haiti. Just dont stop with his word. The 800 pound gorilla is the idea behind this book. Im from an ngo. Im a volunteer but im an ngo creature. My real job is being a medical School Professor but ive always believed in the work of partners in health. At the same time, whats our longterm strategy . Our strategy has been to hire local people. Do local procurement whenever possible and work to rebuild the Public Sector. Public health institutions. But it wasnt always that way. Its really been the last 10 years or so where we said wait, what are we doing wrong . Everybody says thank you for building a hospital in the middle of a settlement or thank you for getting our kids back to school. We get a lot of thanks from the people we serve. We decide what we are doing wrong is to allow the continued degradation and collapse of the Public Sector. Witches after all, and haitian. The institutions of that country. To allow them to collapse even as we grow. Thats not the way to build haitis back better. The earthquake we hoped was a chance to not only improve our own practice but to improve the dialogue. With our other partners. How does that translate to real life . I stood in the rubble of the ministry of health, literally. It was rubble. A pile of rubble. And i thought, rebuilding this is the easy part. Created for the first time a Public Health system, thats the tough part. You have all these, whether its 10 billion, however billions have been pledged and how much has reached haiti which is another question. Its more efficient for tomorrow to give the money to the ngo. They will help the person that the dying right there. But really, and youve written, it needs to go to rebuilding the Public Health system. It does. And i will give you an example that i find uplifting. I havent cleared this with the american red cross. But theyll forgive me because its a positive story. They havent told me i cant tell it. They are probably here. This is their hometown. Anyway, take the american red cross. When theres a disaster, people will give to the red cross. As they say, it has a good brand. Of course i only work, i never take breaks. I did not watch contagion this weekend with matt damon. But if i had watched it by the way, pretty compelling outbreak movie. He literally may have watched with matt damon. [laughter] so anyway, there is an outbreak and theres the red cross. I was thinking, had i been at the movie theater, if im going to watch, maybe i will get to see my pals from the red cross. Ngo, a nongovernmental organization. It raised a lot of money in response to the earthquake or to trina or any visible disaster. Whether we call them national or international. They will have people saying, i want to help. More than half of all american households donated to Haiti Earthquake relief. That says something good about this country. So the red cross is an ngo and theyre used to working with ngos. They help Doctors Without Borders. Heres my chance to apologize to Doctors Without Borders who i said in my book, are doctors who need borders. It was a kind of a joke. Doctors without borders can move quickly and so can partners in health. Thank you red cross for supporting us to respond to this effort of cholera patients and reduced fatality rates. From 10 or 15 percent to almost 0. If someone gets into these treatment centers, theyre not going to die of cholera. But that does not replace the public water system. It doesnt replace a Public Hospital or reporting system like the cdc. As you can see, im told about this movie i didnt see. Thats an example, the red cross, we set to them. Help us keep the General Hospital going and you were there. Haitis largest hospital. And thats going to require finding a way to get salaries paid. How does that logistically happen . By convincing them to do it and say maybe you want other groups to accompany you. Thats the word we are trumpeting, accompaniment. So the red cross accompanies us financially and we accompany the General Hospital or Public Sector. Thats the idea behind it and there are colleagues here from newyork. But thats a model of moving resources from the generous who have the sources to the unfortunate, who dont. Let me give one last number. There is an ngo that raised 134 million for earthquake relief. In the ministry of health which was completely leveled by the earthquake and probably lost the ministry of health which was still in a temporary shelter. Their budget is now one third of that. Thats the modern world distortion we have going on in haiti. And all over the world. Weve got one country where there would be tens of millions raised, out of generosity. Going into a country where the Public Sector budget is [indiscernible]. I just compared the budget of the republic of haiti which was undergoing difficult times. Cynical manipulation of aid by the international community. This is in 2003. I said whats the budget of the republic of haiti . It was less than the budget of city of cambridge with 100,000 people in it. Those distort the work we do. And the 800 pound gorilla going back to the question and wrapping it up neatly is ngos of which there are more per capita in haiti than any place in the world. Theres one ngo for every thousand haitians. And there may be more because were not counting the little ones. As president clinton would say, the little bit ones. To [indiscernible]. We know you dont examine patients, you just use and oscar p. I know this is not you may know. Everybody wants to know what happened to the money. On the way in here, one of my colleagues reminded me, its not just about the pledges. Its obviously, do the pledges get delivered . The answer is a very substantial majority do not. They want to know what percentage goes to the public. Im selfconscious because Catherine Gilbert is here and she should correct me. There are 5 billion or more that were pledged and long term pledges. The next page you have to pick these apart. Thats why we have a website that is devoted. What are these pledges, are they recycled old pledges. I think we are pushing 30 percent. That means the majority is not delivered yet. I tell you the number i do know which is the acute relief. Youve already given us a picture of why its difficult to put money in the Public Sector. Because it was destroyed. 28 of 29 federal buildings in haiti were destroyed. Imagine washington. This is one city. We had los angeles, chicago, new york. The public infrastructure, from palace to ministry, to our equivalent of even a building like this. Flattened. Its hard to put money in. I get that. We understand why it was hard for the big ngos. And bilateral and the multilaterals like the world bank. We understand why it was hard. To have it be less than one percent of the relief money, i think we could have done better. I have to i will reel you in a little bit if its okay. We talked before hand. We can go on an hour on each topic. I want to first of all, since we are doing the patient metaphor. What is haiti allergic to . Heavyhanded meddling and any assault on its real or perceived on its sovereignty. Thats what haiti is allergic to. Im sure all of us read the newspapers yesterday and reflected on 911. I read a piece by a pakistani that i had the privilege of meeting. He writes about the impact of some of the things that have happened since then. Theres been the American Occupation of haiti which has been a dark chapter for them. If we want to find out how to proceed, we have to be aware of that allergy. There is a perceived attack on their sovereignty. [indiscernible] we have three minutes so i wanted to talk about the diagnosis. I wanted to talk about rwanda. How its a role model and what it can teach us following the 1994 genocide. And i want to talk about the role of the haitian diaspora. I want to talk about deforestation. The plight of women in haiti. I was there when katie couric interviewed a woman who had been raped. We know in the big camps, there is that problem. But, since theres only two minutes left, i love and when youre imagining all the different scenarios. If you working of the jungle, what it would look like. I thought the most delicious part of the book, even though your parts were very tasty. For me, the most delicious part was the woman who took the histories from the haitian i want you to talk about that and what the haitians themselves are saying. Those are the people you point out so beautifully who werent at the table. They couldnt afford a ticket to fly up to the un. If the allergy, if im right about that allergy. And im going to use this metaphor as if i didnt overuse medical metaphors already. To write a book about the earthquake, even though i was there working as a physician. It needed to have haitian voices. And a friend of mine, some of you would have seen Jonathan Demmes film which is about a murdered journalist. She is his widow. Was killed in haiti. Murdered. Maybe 1011 years ago. Prodemocracy radio journalist. I asked if she would help on a project. Not this book but, and other people got together who decided to go out to go out to 910 departments. Youve got to do things like that too. Have the infrastructure of inquiry. A group of haitians and a couple nonhaitians, just stand out. And ask people who are market women or fishermen or displaced people in camps. Street vendors. Not farmers like me but what do you want for your country . The thing that was inspiring and as you said, delicious. They didnt say, the theme that came back was not, we dont believe in the future of our country. None of that. They were often optimistic about the possibility of forming this state. Making it work for the people. And rebuilding the country in a way that would make it easier for them to live in haiti. There was something really inspiring. Michelle does a great job writing the chapter. I havent listened to the audio version but she does her own chapter. I said i want meryl streep to do mine because im the meryl streep of Public Health. I heard a story im going to share. Meryl streep was in the same room. Everyone was around meryl streep and then paul farmer walks in and suddenly, meryl streep was all alone. It was at nyu. Not the oscars. Wall street did read a lot of it but michelle reads her own. She has a beautiful voice too. We love meryl streep. Shes a great person. If you get a chance, to listen and read with the haitians have to say about this. The shell, thank you. My final question, doc, whats the prognosis . The prognosis is good. If you said whats the allergy, whats the great resource of haiti . Its people. Anybody can say that but theres a lot of talent and young talent. A Young Country in terms of the demographics. We didnt get a chance to talk about the diaspora. In the book, i write about my students from harvard who are haitian and are so committed to working in haiti. One of them, you can read about them but one of them was a Harvard Medical School student. Grew up in canada. He said to me, i remember the first week of school. He said, of course all the americans that hey terry, whats up . He said, i want to go to haiti. Hes never been to haiti, turns out. I said, what kind of medicine do you want to do . Surgery. We definitely have place for someone who wants to be a surgeon. He would spend weekends with his family. And many cousins. As often uncle were killed in the earthquake. He brought all of his cousins and they were eight of them. I know that because he sent an email picture with his parents. Can you imagine thinking we got our kids out. Empty nest syndrome and they get eight more. Its a story of great adversity for that family but really the story of how the haitian people can be. We will make sure they grow up safely. This kid is indeed now doing a surgical residency. I meet people like that a lot and well have enough of their stories out there. An example of not only haitian people in haiti making the prognosis good but there is a diaspora that we have yet to draw on. Haitians helping haitians. Thats a big theme in the book. A think we are out of time for the un day. Q and a i guess we should have questions. [indiscernible] doctor farmer, we are part of the applicable School Education partnership in haiti. About is a village. We went last year for the first time. We are going again. About 400 families there. About 25 percent of the young people clearly were malnourished. We go with and our question is hes a good friend of mine. We want to get Community Health workers there as well as food aid. We will build a school. But even thought we would be more effective in trying to figure out how to get the Health Workers in there and the food that hes been able to do. Can you give us advice on how to do that . I sure can. Its great the students that are with you and you their teacher are willing to shoulder this burden. He has so many duties. As a living link between the United States and haiti. Thats a very difficult role. Ive done it all my life. You end up being a chokepoint as well. Half of american households donated to haitian earthquake relief. On the other end, theres great need. So its hard to be in the middle. I want you to take my advice. As for advice to you, then to him. Hes a very working 60 hours a week. My advice is if youre going to get involved in food aid, think about Food Security and sovereignty. This is, my colleagues from new york. I make them sound like people with briefcases. Theyre actually all ladies in smart suits. We are working on this accompaniment afterwords. What we are saying is, you need to think about local food picture of it. This is how weve done it. Haiti is the most food insecure country in the hemisphere. It is the ranking problem for many families. Unfortunately, what happened with food aid, its largely surplus grain from the United States or canada or elsewhere. That im not a, dont, but is being moved to haiti. Which can increase the cycle of dependency because it undercuts the value of local food production. We did this for years. Have a school lunch program. Were trying to move away from that and not to use those food sources. But by produce locally. We are not there yet. Ideally, thats where we are going. Because then you support local farmers. You make sure kids get a nutritious meal. Which every study shows, for kids not to get a meal in school means they perform less well. Thats as true in the United States as it is in haiti. Thats one thing. Help take that burden off his shoulders. Dont impose but try to have that be may be a pilot project. So thats one bit of advice. Find a way to allow them to make a living being Health Workers. Back to the world bank, weve worked with the world bank here in washington because a lot of International Financial institutions are so obsessed with what they call sustainability, they recommend that quadra not be paid at all. How can you be a Healthcare Worker if youre a volunteer . People like me should be volunteers or those being paid by the world bank. But the women and men who are doing that work cannot afford to be substantial interveners in their villages if they have to be volunteers or charge poor people for their services. So those are two specific suggestions. Give my best to i know its going long so somebody tell me its like 310. Other people come to washington with their lawyers. I come with my personal theologian. She just said oil help. Meet with my coworkers when youre done. Somebody tell me what time we really yeah. Hes got to fly i can stay 1015 minutes more. I know people want to ask questions. Heres your chance. Doctor farmer. Where are you . Here on your right about halfway back. Im with religious and ethics newsweekly. Whenever there is a disaster, there such an outpouring of desire to help. Over the years, especially in haiti, a great many religious groups and people of faith have gone to haiti to try to help. Im wondering since the earthquake, how do you assess the effectiveness, usefulness, the problems that need to be learned. For people who go there with a strong religious motivation to help the least of these . Its a hard question. Morally and personally hard question to ask. But im glad you did. I dont doubt for a minute the motivations. And even if i did, i wouldnt mention it. [laughter] im not interested in that. I assume the best. Its not about that. These are people in my experience, of goodwill. One of the contributors to the book wrote a book about this, travesty in haiti. I invited him to participate as a much worse experience than i do. His name is Timothy Schwartz and hes a very learned person. Speaks good creole. You can read his take on this. But i have a lot of experience with people. I didnt catch the schoolteachers name but i will later. Ive worked with a lot of good people including people of face working which church based groups. The question is how effective has it been . Lets not give ourselves more than a c grade. We shouldnt, right . You look at all the goodwill. And then haiti is the most food insecure nation in the entire world. Half of all schoolage children in haiti were not in school. We cant be patting ourselves on the back too much. We should pat a little bit lower. It goes back to this business of having to empower. Everybody talks about this. You need a strong central organization. And then maybe these ngos. You know something is going to go wrong. But if you could somehow coordinate and have them facilitating the work of a central organization. We dont need five buildings within 100 yards of each other. Spread them out. A lot of it is in the capital and it needs to go out to the rest of the country. Mr. Abernathy, let me say another thing. This book is aimed too, its a loyal critique. An inside critique of the ngos, the un. Its not a savage critique. It sang how can we do better as you just did. The 80 pound gorilla is if organized correctly, these ngos could be much more effective. They are doing amazing stuff. I saw with my own two eyes. Imagine what they could be doing if they were coordinated in a more effective way. In general, to the many church related, synagogue, mosque related groups, what would be your message . My message would be, although your Message Mission is maybe different from Public Education and health. Im talking those two areas largely. Although we have to talk about agriculture and Food Security. Even though your mission is different, it can be complementary to the goals of the Public Health and Public Education and public water systems. Cholera is a waterborne disease and there we are for 25 years. Its been spread right along that river system. We should feel, we didnt do everything right. What we did do right is built infrastructure that could save lives. Its about preventing cholera. Church groups, mosque related, synagogue related groups, its not necessarily their mission to go and promote water security. Then we will have to rethink and think hard about how to work together. The Clinton Foundation, and im assuming this is of general interest aswell. The Clinton Foundation put together a list of Health Related ngos for the ministry of health. Its really the first time that we really registered as Health Related ngos. These are larger health ngos like Doctors Without Borders. Partners in health. It was the first time that this had been done. Using a platform, Technology Platform that everybody should be using. I think its going to be good to do that with Church Groups as well. One of the things that the theme of this book as well is trying to think correctly even if its painful. And it is painful. You have the best intentions. I saw a real magical thinking with the caller. Officials saying it will be contained and it will stay right there. I went on air and said there is this is magical thinking. Theres no way it wont spread. You have an incubation period of five days. People feel fine and then go somewhere else and spread. There is a need especially in tough times, to think correctly. Even if its not what you want to hear. Well said. Do we have time for one more question . Doctor farmer, my name is eminently power emily. I was reading pathology of power when the earthquake hit. See, someone read it. I was wondering if you could comment on how the earthquake the views you expressed in that book. And whether or not you think that has changed or its moving in the right direction or if we still have work to do . My views of the history of the United States in haiti are not subject to revision unless theres new cash of troves i missed. Like the 18thcentury wikileaks. [laughter] looking backwards, i already knew there were good people and government on both sides. Im older and i hope, wiser. I already knew there were good people. I knew there were generous people. Mostly because of the generous support. I knew all that. The question that i would ask publicly. I dont do that much of this. Do we need to have a meanspirited Foreign Policy toward haiti . Of course we dont. I dont think were stuck in the same pattern necessarily. I think there are people of goodwill. Now one of them has become the most powerful countries in the world and one has become very trampled upon and poor. It had those origins in one sense. So that trajectory has pulled these people apart when they should have been allied. As the haitians were with the independence movement. My answer to that question which is as usual, someone said, paul, concision is not your strong suit. So my answer is we dont have to be stuck in that. [indiscernible]. Based on, the knowledge of that allergy. I have a perfect way to end this. You had your imaginary at the end. Its a followup to that question where you were fantasizing about give me a good one. Everything goes right. Everythings perfect. 2015. I hate not being able to say this. Unfortunately, the good one cant really happen. The really good one. Because you need to have full inclusion of all of the haitian adults. There is a saying that means, in the democratic process of voting. That means all the parties and groups need to be engaged. But that doesnt mean we can hope for a really good performance from the ngos. Church groups. The haitian government. If everything goes forward now as best we can. We need to find ways to help the haitian government. You need a prime minister. Lets hope this week there will be a prime minister. I want haiti to have a government just like i want my own country to have a government. Lets hope good people are in it and they find real solidarity. There will be a major series of public works programs. That this time are linked to infrastructure. Just one little tiny example. How can you reforest haiti without an alternative fuel source for cooking . I spoke to somebody up north. They grow the trees. You fly over, you cannot imagine what it looks like. On the right Dominican Republic and its all green. And on the left. One last optimistic point. Medical care which is not the main thing, but its pretty important. Not that we are biased. The hospital thats described in the book, which is in central haiti. Its built to vigorous earthquake standards and it will be done on the second year on anniversary. To me, my experience working in haiti is that you can get stuff done. This past month, our groups including the haitian Public Sector opened a new Residency Training program in the city you visited during the cholera epidemic. Which is still going on by the way. We checked on progress in the hospital. And the foundation reopened the medical school with cuban faculty. There are 1500 cuban doctors and Health Professionals in haiti. They are unsung heroes. I put them in the book too. So theres lots happening in healthcare. People also need to know. Lets all be committed to helping the haitian people and the people they chose to leave them. Thats not the point. Its can we help the haitian people and their leaders move forward. I think we can. I am gearing myself up for some optimism. [indiscernible] if those people can have optimism, then we can too. Thank you all for having me here. [applause] you are watching booktv on cspan2. Booktv, television for serious readers. Recently, former fbi director james comey interviewed a former special assistant, josh campbell. About the importance of the bureau and their working relationship. Heres a portion of their talk. How did you end up as my special assistant . Im glad that you did josh. But tell the folks how you ended up as special assistant. How did i end up as your special assistant . It all started with a tweet, actually. [laughter] which is true. Correct me if im telling this prong. Before i went to work for the director, i was doing a headquarters tour, a management assignment in the office of Public Affairs. One of the duties included managing the fbis twitter account. Which was fun, but also nerveracking. Before you would click send on a tweet, you have to see your career before your eyes. Did i miss bell something or really something that was inappropriate. That norm has been changed. [laughter] but back in the day back in time. I sent a tweet. You ever watch the show parks and rec . Great show, right . There was this guy named bert macklin who was a wannabe fbi agent and it was chris pratt who played this goofy character. Am i right . So when the show went off the air, i was devastated. So i decided to send the show a farewell tweet after they went off the air. I said something along the lines of, you were unconventional, but we will miss you macklin. And then it just exploded on twitter. And people were like, the fbi has a sense of humor. [laughter] they watch television. They watch modern television. But it was funny in the bureau. I included a recruiting link. But what was so funny, i come in to work one day. And i have a voicemail. I had met you a couple times in passing but you didnt know why was. There was a voicemail that said hi josh, this is jim comey. Thank you for that tweet. That was so great. Your kid said it was awesome. Thanks for doing something unconventional and pushing the envelope so i played that voicemail to all the people criticizing me. As in some organizations, some leaders change their view immediately upon hearing the director had endorsed this. So i guess thats how i got on your radar. And then i had the opportunity we were at an event with Chuck Rosenberg who was the acting head of the dea. You will see him now on msnbc sometimes. Something on opioid abuse. So chuck was running late. So we were there at the event and i found myself in this room. With the director. And he just, i guess this was for noah. He would just interview people, start interviewing them. Who are you . What do you do . I know he called me about the tweet. But i guess i didnt realize it was a Job Interview that i didnt realize when he asked me, how are things going in the fbi . You asked how am i doing . Im a member pausing. I thought, the ceo is asking me how i think hes doing. The beauty was i was a week andahalf from ending my assignment and going back to the field. I said okay, im leaving headquarters, going to the field. Theres nothing they can do to me. [laughter] and when will i have this audience to tell the head of the company. Any organization you love. You want to say whats on your mind. So i explained things i had issues with. Some challenges. He probed a little bit. Tell me more. I left that meeting, i felt confident like, that was cool. I got to talk to the director and get things off my chest that i wanted to change. Then a week goes by and i get this call that ive been hired onto his staff to be a special assistant. Im a member the first time i saw you after that, the first thing you said was you were here to fix all that stuff you said was screwed up. [laughter] which is pretty amazing. I think that set the stage for our relationship and i even got a cool nickname out of it. Not being the contrarian but, do you remember . Doctor no. Id come off an event. In any leadership role but expects really the fbi directors role. A lot of sucking up goes on. Would you never did. So id come out of an event. People tell me im awesome and josh would whisper, yeah, no. He said, listen, good, not your best. Not your best. So it became a running joke. I was eager to get to the car or plane and say, what . To watch the rest of this, visit our website, booktv. Org. Charles johnson about his new book what it is. Doctor johnson is a novelist, literary scholar and professor at the university of washington. Macarthur fellow
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