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The senate signed off saturday night and President Joe Biden signed the bill into law. I Government Shutdown has been a very day. At least until midnovember. Today we want to hear your reaction to the news. If you are a republican, call us at 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. If you are a federal worker who want you to call in at 202 7488003. You can use that same number to send us a text message. Include your name and where you live. Again, that is 202 7488003. You can find us on facebook. Com cspan and on x and instagram at cspan wj. Were going to be talking this morning about the averted Government Shutdown and we want to hear your reaction. After the votes were counted Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer the democrat from new york gave remarks praising the bipartisan nature of the agreement that was reached but he also criticize maga republicans. [video clip] it is been a day full of twists and turns but americans can breathe a sigh of relief. There will be no Government Shutdown. Democrats have said from the start the only solution for avoiding a shutdown is bipartisanship. We are glad the Speaker Mccarthy has finally heated our message. In the end, more democrats supported this bill in the house than republicans. Proving bipartisanship was the best answer all along. I want to thank my colleagues in the senate, especially our appropriators,. Our bipartisan work in the senate set the tone for the built we are about to pass. Are bipartisanship made this possible. To show the house they had to add area will keep the government open for 45 days with a clean cr, at current funding levels. We avoided all of the extreme, nasty, and harmful cuts maga republicans wanted. No 30 cuts across the board. No 30 cuts to health care, Social Security administration, nutrition programs for children. For reauthorization of the faa until december 31. The poison pill amendments of which there was scores, mother inspired writers, maga inspired rioters were all removed from the bill. It is good Speaker Mccarthy heated our message that bipartisanship was and is and remains the only way he couldve make this decision to go. I have set from day one, this is a breach cr, temporary solution, not the final destination. We would not stop fighting for more economic and Security Assistance for ukraine. Majorities in both parties support ukraine eight and doing more ukraine aid and doing more is vital for americas security and democracy around the world. Host that was Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer talking about the deal reached yesterday to avoid a Government Shutdown. We are going to get to your calls in a moment. I want to start off by talking more about what is in the agreement. It continues current spending levels at the current spending levels extended for roughly 45 days. It is those a bit longer you count the days on the calendar, 47 days. It includes 16 billion in Disaster Relief toddss wildfires in mauind other recent incidents around the country. There is also an extension of the faa and National Flood insurance program. The faa regards aviation and the airlin industry. What is not included in this shtterm funding will is the money fokrne that president dehad requested. He had requested about 24 billion. The measure does not include tougher Border Security measures that many conservatives in the house had wanted to include. That is an overview of the agreement that was reached. I want to bring up an article that the Associated Press had. The headline says Government Shutdown averted with little time to spare as biden signs funding before midnight. I want to read more from the Associated Press. It says the threat of a federal government shut down lifted leg saturday as President Joe Biden signed a temporary funding bill to keep agencies open with little time to spare after congress rushed to improve the bipartisan deal. The package drops aid to ukraine , a white house priority opposed by a growing number of gop lawmakers, but increases federal Disaster Assistance by 16 billion, meeting biden for request. The bill fussed government until november 17. After days of term turmoil in the house Speaker Mccarthy abated demands for steep spending cuts from his right flank and relied on democrats to pass the bill at risk to his own job. The senate followed with follow passage closing a whirlwind day at the capital. As an overview, the house passed the bill 335 to 91. All democrats except one voted in favor of the bill. The one democrat who voted no said he did so because it did not include the ukraine funding. Marvin half of republicans more than half of republicans voted in favor of the bill. There were 90 who voted no. In the senate the vote was 88 to 9. We want to hear your reaction. Im going to go through the lines will more time. Democrats, 202 7488000. Republicans, 202 7488001. Independents, 202 7488002. If you are a federal worker, we want you to call us at 202 7488003. We want to hear your reaction to this shortterm temporary funding bill and the averted Government Shutdown. We will hear first from guy in florida on the republican line. What are your thoughts . Caller i was sorry to see the Old Republican Party would not have let it go to this point i hope. Most of us do support aid and more aid for ukraine. Im sorry mccarthy waited to the 12 hour to do what he did. He should have done it one week ago. Regardless of the cost it may have for him personally. It was just disappointing to see everybody sitting on their hands and making a lot about nothing when the work of the government has to be done. Host guy, how surprised were you when you learned that mccarthy had decided to stop trying to appease those hardliners and put a bill out that was going to get support from democrats . Caller i was surprised but i still cannot believe that such a small number of the Republican Party can screw up the work so badly, so often, and continuously, whether it is Voting Rights or womans right to choose. This has gotten out of hand. It is not the rage in Republican Party anymore. Host appreciate your call. Roy calling on the democratic line. Caller thank you. I think this was a great compromise under the circumstances. Congrats to the Speaker Mccarthy. But what is bothering me during the whole thing is theres never any consideration about limiting the military budget. The be a budget with the v. A. Budget together there is over a trillion dollars. We all spend the rest of the world outspend the rest of the world. We spend it 20 times as much on average as everybody else. This is peacetime. The military does nothing. They have contractors do everything. They did not cook their own food anymore hardly. They did not wash their own clothes. I do not see why they cannot help with the border. I am a democrat. I have some conservative ideas like i cannot believe the democrats unanimously behind the ukraine aid that is off to charts. That is to keep the military industry going. It is obvious our country is dependent upon military industry. I cannot see why we cannot start limiting that down. Edging it down. Host alright. We appreciate your call. Roy mentioned defense spending. Here is the chart from department of defense and it shows defense spending as a percentage of gross domestic product. It is actually trending downward. This redline, the past is the blue, the red is projected spending. This chart was created a few years ago. The red spending shows projections up through 2023. It is probably a little bit outdated because the chart precedes the war in ukraine. In 2018, we were about the percent gdp. 3 gdp was department of defense funding but as you see all the way back, these are the late 1950s, early 1960s to begin the chart and it was as high as 11. 3 . A little bit of context for you about military spending. Back to the phone lines. Paul in kentucky. Independent line. Caller they need to secure the border. It is the number one thing to do. Im disappointed they did not close the border. We keep hearing about maga republicans from democratic party. Democrats are fascist right now. They are a bunch of sheep. Only one democrat in the congress that [indiscernible] they are all scared. Host paul, would you have been in favor of the shut down . I know you said you wanted congress to address immigration at the southern border. Would you have been supportive of those members who were willing to shut the government down without that Border Security funding inserted in the budget . Caller yes, 100 . No doubt about it. The democrats are a fascist party right now. They wanted to destroy the country because theyre keeping the border open. Theres only one reason the democrats agreed to keep the government open. They found out this is not going to be a runaway win. You had a chart yesterday were 29 said havoc is were the cause of it. 13 said democrats. 14 says biden was so that is 27 . Host we have to stop it there but we appreciate your call. Howard in ohio. Republican line. What are your thoughts . Caller yeah. If it would have been be in there, like the other gentlemen, i would not have voted for it into the close the border. There is millions of illegals that have come through of all nations. In the beginning, there were hundreds of thousands of single men. How many of these illegals that are coming in rape and pillaging everything we have, how many of them would go to war with us to fight to keep this country . How many . I do not think there is very few. Youre not willing to fight for your country then why are you there . Host we are going to pause for one minute to hear from a reporter who has been covering these updates minute by minute. Welcoming Daniella Diaz , she is the congressional reporter and author of the huddle newsletter for politico. Guest good morning. Thank you for having me. Host i know you have been following this closely. A Government Shutdown seemed almost guaranteed and then things change drastically yesterday morning. Can you explain what happened . Guest honestly, if you talk to people yesterday morning, they thought they shut was inevitable. It was a uturn for speaker Kevin Mccarthy. He realized he needed to get something across the floor, prevent a shutdown, it is going to have massive economic consequences. He realized he could not do it so could not do it would just republican votes. With just republican vote so he put a bill on the floor they got almost every single democrats and almost 90 public is what it gets it. It was a mess of uturn. He decided to do Something Different and reverted to a plan that get support. Host do you think there was any particular catalyst that causes change of heart . The circumstances it is not like the circumstances change so what were you hearing about what caused him to decide to embrace the strategy that some members had been encouraging him to do earlier . Guest the real problem here is that motion to vacate. This has been rumored. Gaetz said if mccarthy put a clean cr on the floor, almost what we saw yesterday, he would enter into motion to vacate the speaker. Mccarthy was trying to prevent that. We saw yesterday was him give up and decide im going to do this. Im going to pass vcr and keep the government open. If someone wants to do in my speakership, they can. The story shifts the what happens watching what happens with that. Host you mentioned that and matt gaetz. Do you think it is likely that matt gaetz or another hardliner will try to trigger that motion to vacate and trigger an offer to oust mccarthy from speakership . Guest yes, our reporting is telling us that. That is essentially the next story were going to cover this week. Theres going to be a motion to vacate mccarthy, whether it is successful or not, that is the next story. Matt gaetz has been saying this for weeks. It is not a surprise. It takes one member to move that motion to oust the speaker to start the process. It is a process. It might not be successful. Thats what we are going to cover next. It could be mccarthy or another hardliner who would have voted no, regardless if there had been a democrat votes, but that is the next story. Host now in that is is democrats indicated part of the agreement with mccarthy to move forward on this bill to avert a Government Shutdown meant it did not include funding for ukraine. They seem to have some type of assurances that there will be further action these next six weeks to address funding for ukraine. Guest democrats have been clear from the beginning that is what they wanted after the white house requested a bill to help ukraine. That the next discussion read going to be seeing from democrats that they made this agreement with mccarthy to help ukraine. Apparently ukraine only has a couple more weeks in funding to starve off russia and the invasion. This is a crucial moment for the war. Democrats are aware of that and its why theyre going to continue the conversation. The Bigger Picture is majority of the republican conference in house and senate, the senate is different, senate the own republican support this but in the house they did not much more funding and they will not support the effort. We expect accomplishing to continue and there be some sort of negotiations we expect the push to continue and to be some sort negotiations to pass the bill to help ukraine. Host do you think its a part of the conversation of whether democrats will help save mccarthy if there is a motion to vacate, contingent on whether they feel like he is working in good faith of this ukraine funding . Guest everything changes minute by minute. I was talking to a lot of folks this week about motion to vacate. Democrats, specifically. Matt gaetz was on the floor this week trying to convince progressives to not help him to help him and not help mccarthy should there be a motion to vacate. The chairwoman of the congressional progressive caucus told us that was happening. There is a lot of things on the table to try to for democrats to say we want impeachment off the table. That is number one for them. They want ukraine eight. There are a lot they want uk raine aid. There are a lot of things. Things could change with it comes to a motion to vacate and whether they decide to help or not. Host there was a side controversy with this fire alarm and representative bo wman of new york. What happened . Guest sdc are both is happening and it is happening quickly. This is happening very fast. A fire alarm was pulled. Republican said it was Jamaal Bowman. Through a spokesperson he said it was an accident. There is a photo showing him pulling, not accidentally, the fire alarm. Republicans are going to get this and making comments on twitter, hardline conservative saying he needs to be arrested. There is a photo with him in handcuffs. They are seizing this moment with Jamaal Bowman and he defended himself saying it was an accident. It is tricky. This is going to be tricky for the democratic caucus. Its good to be tricky for him. It is going to be tricky for him. It was quite a moment. Host the house canceled a two week access. The two week recess. They said they will work on the longterm appropriation bills. What do you see next in house and senate as far as government funding . Guest the think about these bills is they are dead arrival in the senate. They have massive cuts in the house. It is an agreement mccarthy made with heart lenders to get them to vote for cr, it did not end up happening. He is going to continue to try to keep the speakership and this is a way to appease that faction, House Freedom caucus members, who want to see cuts to government funding permanently. Theyre going to put appropriation bills on the floor with a massive cuts. Likely they will pass that. It can change depending on which bill is put on the floor. One bill that has no support the past is the agriculture funding bill will go to the senate. The senate is doing his own thing. They have a Probation Committee where the two patty murray and Susan Collins working together and in these bills in the house are dead on arrival in the senate and it is completely unlikely theyre going to be able to pass any of these bills at all. It is going to be the next story were going to be covering. What happens next with government funding and the appropriation bills. Host daniela, thank you for your insight this morning. We will probably need you back in about 45 days. Guest absolutely. Thank you for having me. Daniella diaz is a congressional reporter for politico and author of politico huddle newsletter which is all about capitol hill. Check her out. We are going to get back to your cause. Calls. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. If you are a federal worker, we want you to call us at 202 7488003. We areright we are going back to the phone lines. Tim what are your thoughts on this crisis averted . Caller good morning. I think it is great that Kevin Mccarthy followed a course of action which is logical. If the government had shut down, it would be pretty much knowledge as to which government was shut down under clinton and republicans would have suffered in the next election. I look at everything being complained about, immigration, all these other things. If both parties truly wanted to enforce our Immigration Law they would we have Immigration Laws and it will be enforced, but no one is really moving in that direction either. Republican or democrat. It is an odd game they cannot come together and say this is what we are going to do and this is how were going to do it. It is been tried to be handle outside of our democrat process and that is unfortunate. I think now either party cared about spending, the tape always say public is always say republican republicans always say democrats are awlasy spending. The most of this goes back to the 1980s and that is when our deficits really started prior to the administration came into office. I think our total National Debt was Something Like 900 billion from 1787 to 1980. That is not much. Billions compared to trillions. If both parties would assess what is going on, rather than bantering people who elect them, we could write the ship and pay off our National Debt, or at least have a good faith process where we are doing all of this to keep our country alive. Host appreciate your call. To the independent line, robert calling from virginia. Caller yes maam. Good morning. You sure are these complaints from the republicans about deficit and now they did not want to support ukraine. Do you want your daughter or your son to fight . I did 20 years in the military and the first time i went to germany in 1964, i was on the check border czech border. If you do not support ukraine, how are you going to have friends in nato thats is going to follow the United States if we do not keep outward . Thank you for taking my call. Host in hudson florida, bob on the republican line. Caller good morning. I think i can sum up my first i am relieved they finally passed some think. What disturbs me besides people not getting the nonpartisanship to get begin with is now we have Chuck Schumer talking about how partisan they were. Immediately during his bipartisan speech he starts criticizing maga republicans. Im not a mega republican, but if i were i would be offended and i would look for a republican because you are insultingly. I say that see that with by this speech in arizona and i would rather see more people coming together and Say Something good about the opposite party. Host bob mentioned what senator schumer said after the bill passed. Lets watch a bit of speaker Kevin Mccarthys remarks at the behest voted on the temporary funding legislation. [video clip] moments ago the house floor we passed by overwhelming numbers the ability to keep government open for the next six weeks. The senate has produced not one appropriation bill for the floor. The house more than a discussion a discussion of spending has not pass. I do not believe are choosing to be punished for us by getting the work done. I asked congress to stay in session the next two weeks, continuing to work to get this done. Cannot look the man and women in the eye and asked them why they would not be able to pay their bills because the senate has not done that work. I know a lot of you asked me all the negative questions. Im sure every bet you had was government is going shut down. I did not know how many times you are going to cut us out but if theres one thing you should start understanding, not just i would never give up, but im a typo conservative that wants to get things done. Its easy to be a who wants to do nothing. But i believe america wants to find the conservative that can make government work efficiently, effectively, and chemically. Thats accountably. Secure our border. Host that was House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy. Republicans from california reacting to the passage of legislation to avoid a Government Shutdown. We want to hear more of your comments and calls. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. Federal workers, 202 7488003. Doretta in texas on the democratic line. Caller hi, how are you . Host doing well. Thanks for calling. Caller i wanted to answer the question that the gentleman said earlier today about immigrants fighting for our country. I was a military brat and the military wife. A lot of our immigrants are given a path to quicker citizenship because they come in to the military. I want to make that point. It is very important people know how many immigrants want to serve, whether they are a doctor, a lawyer, or a farmer. They want to come in to our country and become a citizen. That is all i have to say and i hope you have a great day. Host thank you. Mary in florida. Independent line. Caller hi. Thank you for having me on cspan. I have three comments. I think ukraine budget is a double edge sword. I think perhaps we do not have to pay as much. I think we need to shut down our border. Can anyone on cspan counts how many times the democratic speaker of the house, after the saving the Government Shutdown said mega republicans maga republicans . We need to stop calling each others names. Host raymond on the republican line. Caller yes, the money to ukraine should be contingent on the two countries getting together and talking like we did in vietnam. The other lady covered the you talk about maga republicans, i cannot go down to the town because of maga republicans. Maga republicans is a word. We can come up with a lot of words about democrats. I am not going to do that. Right to choose, my feeling is that its almost like saying right to murder. Right to murder and unborn child. When we realize a fetus is a human being, i think we will host michael in new york, democratic line. Caller good morning. I have been hearing different comments all over the place. To stick with the topic here on the passage of this bill, it is very good they did come and do that because the impacts would have been catastrophic, in my opinion. The money being sent to ukraine in support of defendant democracy, i think it is a good investment, for the world. I do not think allowing mr. P utin to just walk in and take a country is the right thing to allow to happen. It is a good investment and also, mr. Biden when it comes to immigration and some of the immigrants are undocumented to other states they cannot afford to have them, there needs to be federal aid to support to do that. I get that. Ive read an article about x governor cuomo. He made a comment to that effect. It should not be put onto the states to have to do that by themselves. I agree with that. You have to readjust the immigration policy and how they carry it out. I support as far as helping ukraine, i do support that and as far as mr. Mccarthy, he is a walking joke. The guy has a stunt he is trying to pull to hang this over the peoples has. It is my opinion. Host before we get to more the calls, i want to read some of the reaction on social media. Both from members of congress and from some of our viewers. Senator lisa murkowski, a republican from alaska. This is what she wrote after the vote. Today 70 prevailed. At the last minute congress came together to avert an irresponsible shut down that wouldve harmed thousands of alaskans. This is republican senator lisa murkowski. I also want to read a post from representative tom cole, a republican from oklahoma. He wrote Government Shutdowns only punish the American People. Our Service Members and civilian workforce, the see art which stands for continuing resolution would avoid that while allowing congress to finish the job of fully funding the government and provide critical Disaster Relief to hawaii. This is senator Jeanne Shaheen and she wrote believe that the government remain open and significant harm to family and businesses was avoided but make no mistake a should never have come to this kind of brinkmanship and she goes on longer, but we will stop it right there. That is some reaction from members of congress. I want to bring up some of what we are seeing on facebook in response to the question of the day. Don writes we should be funding ukraine create putin celebrating. Putin is a dictator and maga needs to be educated on this fact. A. I. Hal rice avoiding a Government Shutdown is a positive. The burn it down the crowd are dangerous, radicalized extremists. And the list to reality. Tune in to the rerun in 45 days. That is some of what we saw on facebook. You are welcome to weigh in on any of our social media or send us a text or give us a call. In florida, bree on the independent line. Caller good morning. Before i make my comment, i just love you. You are my favorite for wall street journal. Host washington journal and thank you so much. Caller the government shut down is not people need to stop giving into fear porn. 84 of the government should would have been functioning. If anyone wants to debug me, do your research. It is easy to find. Ukraine. How much do we need to give them . We are paying for the military. We are paying the government. We are paying for Small Businesses over there. When is enough enough . Do people not realize it is a corrupt country . Colonel douglas mcgregor. This man tells it like it is. Putin is not the one instigating the stuff. It is still in, it is nato zelenskyy and nato. It is the mercenaries over there. There is a lot of misinformation s boot on your show right now. I wanted to make that clear. Thank you. God bless. Have a good day. Host warren in new york. Republican line. Caller shut it down. We have to stop this outofcontrol spending per year you have 53 of the taxpayers in new york do not pay taxes, we got to shut it down. We cannot continue all the social programs and to be a social person for the rest of the world also. It is all these illegals, money does not grow on trees. We are going to bankrupt ourselves. We got to shut it down the. We have to take control. Host warren, do you still have confidence in house Speaker Mccarthy now that he worked with democrats to do the opposite to avoid the shut down . Caller no, i do not. Mccarthy now that he worked with absolutely not. Host would you support lawmakers in moving to remove mccarthy as speaker, like matt gaetz has threatened to do so . Caller no. Host are you still there . Caller i think he has done a pretty decent job but the bottom line is we cannot continue this outofcontrol spending that the democrats [indiscernible] they putting us on a train wreck. Look who we are borrowing the money from. They talk about getting tough with china. You are borrowing the money from them. How are you going to get tough with them . Host we will have to leave it there. Thank you for your call this morning. Hector in pennsylvania on the democratic line. Caller good morning. Good morning. Thank you for taking my call. Host yes. Caller i believe that mccarthy did the right thing. He could not let it get that far out of control to the fact that we ended up shutting things down. Fortunately. I do not trust him one bit to try Work Together as the senate did to get this done properly. Within the next six weeks. I do not trust them at all. As far as the gentleman from ohio that talked about minorities, i mean the illegals coming in. And serving the country. I i spent 14 years in the military. I would bet they would stand up to join the military and given the opportunity for citizenship if the giving the opportunity for citizenship a lot faster the socalled americans here. You do not understand where these people are coming from. The disaster. You have to live in fear every single day. You have to go hungry every single day. For the slightest opportunity at a better life, you Better Believe they would jump at the chance to serve in the military. Unless you have done it yourself, you live that yourself, stop with talking about you cannot continue to tell somebody else what they will or will not do, what they can or cannot do, and expect anybody to respect your point of view. Host hector, got your point. Appreciate your service. Appreciate your call this morning. In new jersey, josephine is on the independent line. Caller good morning. A little sidetracked, today is the 99th birthday of jimmy carter. Very deeply religious man. Just a side note. To get back to what your question about. 18 years ago, chamberlain mps 80 years ago chamberlain the peas hit layer. The idea we do not have money for ukraine, lets not make the mistake he made what he thought that was going to work. We are thinking putin is not laughing at us. He is praying we will flock to the cracks. Lets make it our business to include that in our next negotiations. As far as mccarthy goes, mccarthy, i can take him or leave him. It couldve been done weeks ago. I look at the vote and watched it. Guess you put the vote to pass the bill . It was not the republicans. They only had it was over 200 democrats. When we complain about democrats, remember 200 put the vote over. Thank you. Host josephine gave me a great opportunity to talk about the 99th birthday. As she mentioned, 99th birthday of former president jimmy carter. He has lived longer than any other president in u. S. History. This is an article in the Atlanta Journalconstitution written by yours truly about a display that is outside the white house right now. It was installed over the weekend. It is a kind of cardboard cutout of a birthday cake with lights and it says happy birthday president carter. This is outside of the white house. Couldnt today for those who are in the area including today for those who are in the area. Also an article by cnn about president carters birthday. The headline says as he turns 99, jimmy carters hometown honesty former president as a global humanitarian and a good friend. I had one more, todays Washington Post and i want to show this. There was a big festival, carters hometown is planes, georgia in rural southern georgia and they have a big peanut festival every year for those who know about president carter. Him and his wife rosalynn eat peanut ice cream every day and they made a public appearance september 23rd, a couple of weeks ago at that peanut festival in plains. This is a photo of them. This is this mornings Washington Post. They did not make a lot of appearances right now. Jimmy carter is 99. Roseland is a few years younger. For those who are not aware, jimmy carter is currently under the care of hospice. Rosalynn carter is dealing with dementia. This is a photo of their most recent public appearance on september 23. Jimmy carter turns 99 today. Happy birthday to president carter. Were going to go back to the phone lines now. Back to your reaction as a federal shut down was averted. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. Federal workers, 202 7488003. Joyce in birmingham, alabama. Democratic line. Caller hello and thank you for taking my call. I love cspan. Happy birthday jimmy carter and good lord, we need taking care of the elections and such. When i hear republicans offended by being called magas. Give me a break. This what they have identified themselves for years. Be honest for a second. Anyway, happy birthday jimmy carter. And q for taking my call and i love cspan. Host maryland in missouri. Independent line. Caller good morning. Im glad we avoided a shut down. And all the brave people that voted, hang in there. I am 83 years old myself. I recently moved here to be around mike daughter and grandkids. I am so glad we averted the shutdown of the government. They do good work. Im glad to be here and i am glad to be an american. Host appreciate your call this morning. Weston, west virginia. James on the republican line. Caller i was walking along the other day and i fell over someones common sense and broke my iq in bc. D. C. Host alright. Dennis in easton, pennsylvania. Democratic line. Host hello. I am a first time caller. Is little nervous but i wanted to comment that i was glad the shutdown was averted. A little known fact is that a number of people who are contractors do not get paid with the federal government. It depends on their own company. I want to say i wanted to comment about the maga comments about how they are offended. Republicans offended about that and im an africanamerican. The idea of wokeness. That is offensive to africanamericans. They seem to have no difficulty of offending others, not that is a right thing to do, but the policies that are done by the maga republicans actually hurt people. In my opinion. I think they need to understand that. Host alright, dennis. First time caller, we appreciate your call this morning. Kenosha, wisconsin. Carl on the independent line. Caller hi. I voted for both democrats and republicans. I vote for the president , not the party. I believe they should fund the war with russia and its neighbors. Host lets bring up, carl mentioned the funding for the war in ukraine as it defends itself against russia. Lets watch House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries, speaking to reporters saturday, on next steps in funding process, especially aid to ukraine. [video clip] do you believe now that we have reached this point where the speaker was willing to buck against the conservative wing of his party, that will guide the appropriations process, we have 45 days to get all 12 of these bills pass, do believe you are in a space where negotiations can happen or we are going to go through this process all over again 45 days from now . From beginning of the congress, house of democrats make clear that we are ready, willing and able to find Common Ground with our republican colleagues to advance the needs of the American People. We will also continue to prevent republican extremism whenever necessary. Over the next 40 we will have to Work Together in a collaborative fashion to make sure avoid another Government Shutdown drama. That the extreme maga republicans will continue to try to visit upon the American People. At the same time, make sure we put the National Security needs of the American People a head the extreme maga republicans pro putin caucus. Sooner rather than later, it is important, in order to look up the National Security needs of the American People, and ensure americas place in the free world will continue, and we have experience great leadership from President Biden in that regard. As Katherine Clark mentioned, we need to address the security situation in ukraine to ensure the ukrainian people can continue to fight bravely and courageously and defeat Vladimir Putin and russian aggression. It is important to democracy. It is important for the principle of freedom. It is important for truth. It is important for nato. An extreme maga republicans will have an opportunity the next few days to put the American People in our National Security interest first and extreme maga republicans pro putin caucus last. Host that was House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries talking about funding for ukraine. I want to read six senators on a bipartisan basis put out a joint statement on supporting ukraine. They are the democratic and republican leaders, top democratic on appropriations and top democratic and republican on appropriation subcommittee on foreign operations. Agreement to avoid a harmful and unnecessary shutdown of the federal government. This agreement leaves a number of urgent priorities outstanding. Theoming weeks, we expect senate will work to ensure u. S. Government continues to provid critical and sustained security and economic support for uk we support increased efforts to defend its sovereignty against pution aggression and we jostrong bipartisan geordie of ourleagues in this work. Withhe eyes of our partners, allies, and adversaries on us, we understand the importance of American Leadership and are committed to strengthening it from europe to the end of pacific. There is a joint statement from senators on ukraine after the government funding legislation passed. One more caller. Tammy. Louisiana. Republican line. Caller this is an extreme maga republican. We got to get along but youre going to cause all kind of names. Regarding the budget, why werent you not reporting on this Jamaal Bowman, that went and pulled the fire alarm yesterday . When they were getting ready to call to adjourn. I want to know why youre not reporting on this. Host you might have missed it. We talked about it with reporter Daniella Diaz earlier in the segment. Were going to end it there. Take a quick break. Next on washington journal, Martha Mckenna and republican strategists mike ricci shutdown politics, campaign 2000 24, and other political news of the day and later, Migration Policy Institute senior fellow Muzaffer Chishti discusses the increased in migrants at the u. S. Southern border. And d Biden Administration recent move to allow nearly 500,000 venezuelan migrants to obtain work permits. Author and media theorists, douglas rush called joyce book tvo talk and take caused by the consequences of the digital revolution. His 20 books include president k, throwing rocks at the bus and survival of e ches. Published in 2000 22 which details the plans made for a group of billionaires after irv becomes uninhabitable due to climate change. 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Guest 1 for now the winners are the American People and that we will not have a shutdown right now, which can be destabilizing which can destabilize things as small as going to the national park. Looking back to where things started House Democrats got the clean continuing resolution to fund the government that they were looking for for conservative customer looking for. For conservative House Republicans it was a loss because they were trying to force mccarthy to move further right. In the end he put the bill on the floor in a way that got overwhelming support. As for the speaker himself it is still to be decided. We will see how things shake out in the coming days. It was a difficult few weeks. He faced a lot of tough votes. Governing and this time is messy. He was able to survive to the next day. Host i will depose that same question to you i want to pose that same question to you. Guest 2 i agree with mike that the American People now dodging the Economic Disaster of a shutdown are the winners, and that really is because democrats have been highlighting the severe cost of a shutdown to american families, children, american workers. The shutdown would have come at a tremendous cost, and that was averted temporarily. The deal here is a 45 day deal. We well be back in a similar position. Speaker mccarthy needs to be prepared to be back in a similar position in 45 days to negotiate another deal that will avert a shutdown. It is a reprieve of sorts. Avoiding a shutdown was what democrats wanted. People came together in the house last night and in the senate to avoid. Mccarthy is in a tough jam here. He is being held hostage by his maga extremists who have only been emboldened by yesterdays vote. He is in for a rocky ride in his caucus. To try to come to some sort of agreement within the Republican Caucus because the controversy here about shutting down the government, slashing spending in such a severe way, that is a controversy within the Republican Caucus. What you saw last night was republicans joining with republicans in a bipartisan way to keep the country moving, keep the shutdown averted. The senate joined in soon thereafter, that the mess that remains is a mess within the Republican Caucus, that Speaker Mccarthy must Pay Attention to it is going to be wrestling with over the next couple of weeks. Host im going to ask you about Speaker Mccarthy more, but before i do that i want to give our viewers the numbers to call, so that if you have questions for Martha Mckenna or mark ricci, you can share those. If you are a republican, we want you to call in at 202 7488001. Democrats, your number is 202 7488000. Independents, call us at 202 7488002. We will get to your calls in just a minute. As we speak about Speaker Mccarthy, he took a more combative tone yesterday when asked about his critics in the republican conference. Lets watch a little bit of his response to reporters when asked about a challenge to out him that came from republican matt gaetz of florida. [video clip] can we realize what the question was and what has happened today . We were within a few hours of Government Shutdown, where the military would not be paid, where the border would not be paid. Talk about the faa having problems because the house has passed a bill and the senate has not. I imagine on his network, he had a shutdown clock on. The senate assigned me to what we can do. All of that has been wiped away, and the only question cnn has for me today is whether i am worried about someone making a motion to vacate against me. Lets understand what the bill was. We put a bill on the floor in suspension, so there is no bill that can pass with one party or the other. When are you guys going to get over that it is alright that you put America First that it is all right if republican and democrats if someone wants to make a motion against me, bring it. There has to be an adult in the room. I will govern with what is best for this country. I dont understand how long it will take for you to understand that. I went 15 rounds. The same individual that delayed us from getting our bills done did the same thing during the speakers race. That is ok. He has a right to do it. But im going to be a conservative who gets things done for the American Public. Whatever that holds, so be it, because i believe and not even up on america. Im not going to be not giving up on america. Host mike, we heard Speaker Mccarthy say bring it. What do you think is going to happen . How likely do you think a motion to remove him as speaker will occur . Guest 1 it is looking increasingly likely because of one member, matt gaetz, from the state of florida, who has voiced in addition to voicing conservative policy concerns, does not like the speaker. I know that seems silly to say, but sometimes it comes down to personal animus. Matt gaetz does not like Kevin Mccarthy. There are some graduate between them that sooner rather than later will play out on the house floor. You heard the speaker say back me or sack me. He has done a successful job of uniting his conference, but there is 4 to 5 , and in a small majority like he has that can make all of the difference. So folks understand how extraordinary emotion would be, it has extraordinary a motion this would be, it was voted on only once in 1910. It will be a historic occasion. People were parliamentary experts will be following it closely, but it seems like all of this is coming to a head. The speaker is trying to stay on the front foot, and have a strong message. A lot of that is about his own allies, showing them he is standing up to it. Host martha, i want to ask you, how do you think democrats should play this . They could either work with the handful of republicans and help out mccarthy, or provide the votes to ensure he remains speaker. If they were to ask, what would you suggest they do in this scenario . Guest 2 that is a very good question. It is certainly one that we can look into the future and see different scenarios playing out here. Democrats are not eager to come rushing to Kevin Mccarthys aid. There is not a lot of trust between Speaker Mccarthy and the democratic caucus. He has failed to unify his own caucus. We had the leadership of nancy pelosi for so many years, where she held tight, held people together, listened to members, listened to their concerns, and now leader have came jeffreys is doing something similar Hakeem Jeffries is doing something similar. Im sure there are a lot of conversations happening about Kevin Mccarthys future, that this is a Republican Caucus concerned. This is not choosing the leader of the Republican Caucus is not something that democrats are interested in participating in. We have their own agenda for the American People. We want to stay focused on the economy. The last thing we need to do is get involved in a family fight on the republican side, as matt gaetz and others try to push mccarthy to the right. I think it is shortsighted to say it is only matt gaetz. I think there is a contingent of 15 or 20, maybe 30 of these house members who are fed up, these mamba extremist maga extremists. This is a problem for the Republican House leadership. They need to solve their own problems. Democrats are focused on the economy, on moving our country forward and they need to figure out on the republican side, who will be their leader, what their agenda is, because right now it is just chaos. Host we are talking this morning with democratic strategist Martha Mckenna and republican strategist mark ricci. We are going to the phone lines down. You can call in with your questions for our roundtable or with your political questions of the day. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. And independents, 202 7488002. Our first caller is sean in massachusetts. Caller thank you so much for taking my call. I do have a question. You had trump not involved in these last two debates. He decides to elbow his way into the big sphere. How do you see this playing out in the Republican Party . It does seem to be a mess, which you just mentioned a moment ago. A lot of polls are still showing trump leading as well as some polls showing him potentially beating biden in the president ial election. Host mike, do you want to take that . Guest 1 it is good to hear from a republican in massachusetts. We just had a debate. Not much changed because there is not much to change at this point. President trump has a formidable lead in the polls and things like we just talked about our sucking up a lot of the oxygen. This is going about as well for trump from a political perspective as it could. Against that backdrop are all these legal problems. His civil trial is coming up. We will see whether he shows up for his own civil trial and goes through that process and gets on that stage, so to speak. Everything has been remarkably static over 4 the las over the last 4 to 3 months. We have a historically weak incumbent, according to the polls. Republicans are in the lead on pulling in polling on issues. Republicans you talk to, people keep waiting for some big thing to happen to change the dynamics into nothingness come to do that. Nothing is changed. Host our next caller is ralph and augustine, georgia augusta, georgia. Caller the democrats said we will support what the republicans are doing right now. Senator mccarthy, if i may say this quick and move on, senator mccarthy, Newt Gingrich, and some other people, make sure that they would not support Vice President and president obama. They did all they could to make him a one term president. The first thing he did was call Newt Gingrich and the former president. Now he works with nobody. What makes the democrats think that he will work with them in the next 45 days . The last thing i will say is democrats, you have to come off that thing about the economy. This end that. This and that. We do not see it at my level. So please come up with another terminology we can work with. Host the caller mentioned democrats should not trust Speaker Mccarthy. Do you agree with that . Guest 2 the other news of the week is that mccarthy launched impeachment hearings against President Biden. This week was quietit it was quiet. There was not much mainstream coverage because of the Government Shutdown. He launched impeachment hearings against biden, which by all accounts were a disaster. It is all theater, but it is theater that comes at a cost the American People. Republicans are giving us no solutions. They are in charge of the house. Speaker mccarthy has the ability to push an agenda, and he hasnt because he has to spend all of his time having hearings about President Biden, or negotiating just to keep his speakership with the extremists and his party. I think the caller is right. Democrats should be very, very wary of trusting Speaker Mccarthy. The agreement yesterday was just to continue funding the government at current levels. We avoided the 30 cuts to spending republicans had passed days earlier. Not only should democrats be wary of trusting mccarthy, but republicans in swing districts must be going weary of his leadership, because he has asked them to take very serious votes, cutting programs that americans depend on, that we all know are never going to pass the senate. But in order to keep his rightwing quiet, in order to appease the furthest extremists in his party, he will have to force his more moderate members to take to have votes. To take tough votes. Democrats want to protect the spending and the types of programs that American Peoples depend on, early childcare, and nutrition programs. These more moderate members should be very wary about trusting Speaker Mccarthy as well. Republican moderate members, because he has asked them to take some very difficult votes that we will see return when we are debating issues in the 2024 election. The caller is right. Mccarthy is a difficult man to trust right now. Yesterdays move to keep the government open was not a negotiation. It was a vote to keep the government open at current spending levels. Mccarthy now has to go back and figure out how he will get these bills across the line in the next 45 days. Host that last caller also mentioned the economy. As a democrat that is something the Biden Administration is weak on. I want to bring up an msnbc poll that came out last week. It shows that voters give republicans the largest ever lead on the economy. I will read an excerpt from this article on the nbc news poll the latc ne poll finds repus wi a 21 point advantage on which Political Party better h the economy, with 49 of registered voters picking the gop. That is the largest lead republicans have held on thi question in our polls dating back to 1991. At the same time the survey shows democrats with just a twopoint edge on which party better looks out for the ddleclass, with 36 picking the democratic party, and 34 selecting the gop. That is the democratic partys smallest advantage on this question dating back to 1989. Mike, is this a point where the Biden Administration is weak, and it might give republicans an edge in some of these crucial states . Guest 1 there is a story this week showing that even democrats think that President Biden should stop calling it bidenom ics. Democrats have tried to label this bidenomics. As people see higher prices, we have entire ei sectors of the economy on strie. Some democrats would agree that this is a real weakness for the president. The problem is the things we have been talking about, whether it is shutdown, trump and his legal challenges, the impeachment inquiry, all of these things take oxygen away from republicans trying to press this issue and offer positive economic ideas to move the country forward and get on with the business of governing. It is an advantage. It is one we should be pressing. Host so mike just mentioned the article that came out. I think you are talking about this politico article. The article talks about the term bidenomics. Several top allies have raised concerns over the phrase to the white house. Representative Steven Horsford who chairs the Congressional Black Caucus said he has warned the white house that the bidenomics brand is built on shaky ground. He thinks it wrongly centers the conversation on the president rather on what the voters stand to gain. Martha, i want to ask you, dos you think the white house needs to shift you, do you think the white house needs to shift its economic messaging, and in what way . Guest 2 the Biden White House is focused on fixing the supply chain, driving down prices, creating jobs, and lifting the economy. The real trouble in the context of a Political Campaign and in a reelection is people do not think you are focused. Voters in america know that joe biden gets up every morning and is doing all that he can to try and move our economy forward. There is no doubt that prices have gone up, and they have not come back down. With the exception of gas prices, but household goods, school supplies, housing, the things we need daytoday. Prices have gone up. There is so much more we can do with the supply chain, and building and growing the American Economy so we are making more consumer goods here in america. There is more we can do. Theres more we can do to create jobs across the United States. The Inflation Reduction Act created many infrastructure jobs across the United States. There is more that we need to do to get those projects moving and moving faster in order to create more and more jobs, but the truth of it is corporations hold such a stranglehold on the American Economy. That is why you are seeing workers go on strike. That is why you are seeing President Biden come forward and. Stand with striking workers this is a huge issue in america, and there are many, many different ways that the Biden White House is working on a daytoday basis to bring more relief to the American People. President biden will keep working on the economy, jobs, to bring down prices, all the way through his term, and all the way through his second term. This is not a guy who will never take his foot off the gas for the American People. When push comes to shove he, will get credit from the American People for being so focused on this. It really is something that is part of who he is. He believes very much in the dignity of work, in jobs in the middleclass, and families being able to afford time off together. While not every solution we have put forward has worked yet, joe biden is forcing the conversation every day in the white house and across america. What are we doing today for working families . What are we doing today to bring down prices . No matter what word you use to describe it, that focus that ethic is part of the Biden Administration, because it is part of joe biden. The republicans are tied up in a circus with their president ial primary, all of these republicans jockeying against trump for the limelight. You have Mccarthy Holding hearings on everything other than the economy. Republicans are having internal fights and discussions and democrats want to keep moving forward on the economy. Like the callers have said, there is not enough release. I agree with that. The focus is there, and we will stay on, the job see if we can continue to bring the supply chain down and make more things in america. Host we will go back to the phone lines now. We wonder questions for our panelists or comments on the stories of the day. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. And independents, 202 7488002. We are going to Oklahoma City now, paul on the independent line. Caller who would do a better deal for the country . I think problem there is a book out there and it is a good book, which covers a lot of answers in it too. In regards to who wins and what party comes through, i think the main thing is that it be the American Party and serve america the best it can. Host any feedback, mike . Guest 1 thank you for the call. Something had came jeffrey said yesterday, he give this long speed something Hakeem Jeffries said yesterday, he gave this long speech on the floor, and he said we need to find Common Ground. It is not normal to find Common Ground. For people like paul out there, what we sometimes call this exhausted majority who just want both parties to come together and get something done, they are drowned out by small fringes on the left and right. It is good to hear from people who just want us to get things done. Host lets hear from mark now in corpus christi, texas. Caller i dont understand why they just cant get together and work on a balanced budget. All 50 states have balanced budgets. All 50 states work with republican, democrat, independent on both sides, and i dont understand why we keep doing these continuing resolutions that do nothing more than just kick the can down the road. We had it with this. It has been over 20 years since we had a balanced budget where they worked together on that when clinton was in office. I dont understand why they cant figure out how to get the government to run properly. They all have issues, theyll have programs, theyll have things they want yo work for our want to work for our government. That is why we sent them to congress. We are in such a divided political environment right now. They are more worried about their terms. Term limits would be good. It would help with this balancedbudget, because it would make them focus more on what their jobs are and those who are keeping their jobs from the selection to the next election. Host martha, your thoughts . Guest 2 it is a great point. I was thinking recently that what we have seen over the past couple of weeks in particular in the house, since the Dobbs Decision we have seen it at the federal government, in congress and the senate acrosstheboard, bills that you would be surprised to know like the agriculture bill this week that went down because of the debate over abortion politics and reproductive rights. You have seen the insertion by rightwing extremists in the house into budget bills, discussions about womens reproductive rights and the kinds of prescriptions that women can get now. It really has become every single bill, even in the budgeting process, has become far right sometimes social issues like access to reproductive rights or abortion. That is held hostage. Yet the far right extremists use every single vehicle they can find to insert very conservative for right positions, which brings the government to a halt, and frankly we know the American People are more prochoice than they are not. They would be surprised to know that bills are being held hostage over abortion politics and Reproductive Health care for women. These budget bills for many years were not controversial. They were about the priorities of the country. The agriculture bill is one that was not considered fair game for these kinds of measures. That is where we are as a country. It is not great. I dont think these budget measures should be used to assert a far right agenda. It is what this process has become, and it is a shame. Host our next caller is elizabeth in tampa, florida on the democratic line. Caller good morning. Thanks for having me. I wanted to touch on Kevin Mccarthy. This might sound a little altruistic, but i think what mccarthy has to say, what Elizabeth Cheney had to say is polarizing for republicans. Im not sure how polarized nation became what this is polarization became what this is all about. There is nothing that will get pushed. There were things that were pushed over all the years that were not popular with people, but things were happening. Other countries are watching. It is not just about our country. When we look like we are fractured and cant get anything done, we are vulnerable. That sounds very altruistic. We are not going to all hold hands and sing kumbaya, but we have to get something done. Guest 1 thank you for the call. I hope you are doing well. I worked on capitol hill for 13 years, so i saw this evolve up close. The system rewards people on the fringes who sort of play to the punic gallery, plate to the base peanut gallery, play the base. They raise money, they put out emails saying they are fighting for something. To the point martha just made, they are fighting for some culture war or some policy on an unrelated bill. That is what the system rewards nowadays. A lot of it comes down to primaries on the left and right where people get pushed further away from the center. We see this polarization increasing, especially in the house of representatives itself. Polarization becomes the product of the system. Grifters go to washington, they have a certain kind of job, they would rather raise money, go on television, collect fame, i guess, collect their 15 minutes and do things that get them trending on social media. That is drowning out the large, overwhelming majority in the middle that want to get things done. Host lets go to North Carolina now. Charlie calling on the independent line. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I wanted to mention besides all of the policy issues that are being discussed, why is there no discussion of the obvious intention of republican strategists who backed trump to establish a dictatorship in the United States . Trump obviously has no regard for the constitution. He tried to overthrow the government. The strategy that he had in his First Administration was to validate every power consolidate every power under the presidency. He has completely polarized the department of state and had everyone in the cabinet kowtow to him. Remember the discussion in front of the p o on the people on television where he had everyone in the cabinet tell him what a wonderful person he was. The strategy was discussed on washington journal. It is all laid out on the Heritage Foundation website to get the government and consolidate power under the executive ranch, so the president executive branch, so the president is essentially a dictator. There is no constitutional challenge to his power. That is the aim of the Republican Party. Host i appreciate your call. Mike, i know you are currently working for a super pac that is supporting mike pences run for president , so you are not supporting donald trump. Are you concerned . We know there is plenty of polling that shows trump still has a commanding lead. I will bring up some polling from on mouth university from just last week from my mouth university from Monmouth University from just last week. Everyone else combined was the remaining 18 . It looks like right now that this race is trump still lives. What are your thoughts about is trumps t loseo. What are your thoughts about that . Guest 1 you can easily see a scenario where Governor Desantis is a strong second in iowa or Governor Haley or governor christie is doing well in new hampshire. You have south carolinian you have 2 south carolinians. People are trying to get down to a number one contender for trump, but until we have a number one contender you will have the situation where trump has different from thence in different early states. If trump were elected, he would only have one term because he already served a term. He be a lameduck he would serve one term, be a lameduck, and have the Executives Authority t people should understand the consequences of him being elected again. Host the headline, alarmed republicans are preparing to draft Glenn Youngkin, who is the governor of virginia. It says some of the republican donors in the country will converge at the Historic Cavalier Hotel in Virginia Beach for a twoday meeting to rally behind governor Glenn Youngkin. The closed gathering named after the fleece that youngkin war in his wore in his 2022 campaign will unofficially several donors tell me it will be an opportunity for them to push, if not shove youngkin into the republican president ial race. What are you hearing . To think that republicans are now looking for some alternative with no clear competitor pulling consistently with former President Trump . Guest 1 i generally agree with that reporting. People i talked to going back several months were hoping that Governor Youngkin or Governor Brian Kemp from georgia would somehow jump into the race. If you are them, it is a good place to be. You are not in the middle of the crossfire. You are getting the media attention. For Governor Youngkin there is a lot of upside here. It helps them bring in donor support for what he is trying to do there in virginia. He is trying to win a republican majority in his legislature. It is a favorite pastime for republicans. In 2011 it was Chris Christie at the reagan library. They hoped paul ryan would jump in in 2016 to be trump at the time. There is a big gap between the wish casting there and the actual reality of it. Host lets go back to the phone lines. As a reminder, republicans, your line is 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. Susan is calling from fairfax, virginia. Caller guess who called me a ma ga guess you would call me e a maga republican. Obama assembled a committee to study the economy for a year and a half. The report had 15 things that we needed to do to preserve our economy and therefore, our future. It was just shelved. Anybody who is interested should go back and read that because everything they did is coming they predicted is coming true. We are in dangerous economic times. I have two daughters. One is trying to buy her first home. It is very difficult in this market. I feel so bad for her. A friend of mine his son is trying to buy a home. This is how we are passing the debt onto the next generation. This is one of the ways it is getting past on. It becomes more difficult for them. The other thing i wanted to mention is im tired of hearing how inflation is coming down. The rate of inflation is coming down but the prices are still up. People are paying very high prices, and if you want to talk about how cool it is for people on fixed income and people in poverty and especially the working poor. The working poor pay the highest price inner society, in my opinion, you can call me an extremists, because i think we are in dire financial circumstances as does bowles simpson, but i just think that there is a lot of extremism. I think keeping the kids out of school for a year and a half was very extreme. Look at the devastation. They are talking about learning loss. Theyre talking about transgender is him. Host im going to stop you there. We got your point. I want to let our panelists respond. She raised a lot of concerns about a rip up concerns as a republican. What was your reaction . Guest 2 susan has a really good point about the deficit and spending. It was one of the most interesting things that came out of the president ial debates this week is desantis and nikki haley talking about how trump ballooned the national deficit. Democrats have been saying this. There was an explosion and spending during trumps four years and it is true. Now we have republican president ial contenders running against him who are pointing this out. Things got out of control during trumps term. Tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations and that has an impact for firsttime homebuyers as susan said. It has an impact across the board. It was one of the few important policy points that came out in the debates this week that trump really was to blame for an explosion and spending and the president ial contenders who would like to challenge him, to be the one as mike said who people consolidate around, they are pointing to the deficit as a weak pointin trumps record a weak point in trumps record. Host next caller. Caller i would like to go back to the last caller and marthas reply to it. This is a game of optics. I think the republicans win again, and again, and again on all of these positions. This is a moment where democrats can be really hard on really differentiating themselves from the insanity that is the current Republican Party. Mike over and over again in this segment hasnt called out the real threat that the republican is. He says he is working on the super pac with mike pence. Mike pence along with six of the first date candidates that are running for president said they would pardon trump if elected. It is so frightening to see people like the last caller who obviously get there news from the optics games that the republicans play like this impeachment inquiry that is just a joke. Martha, i live in new york city and believe me, martha, there are so Many Democrats here who could align themselves with issues that the republicans have, and you will lose democrats if these issues arent addressed, but if you dont make a stance as to what is a threat here with everything republicans are doing, then people are going to decide who to go to. That is what truly scares me. All i will say is that this is a moment where democrats can really differentiate themselves, make those harsh contrasts between what democrats stand for and what republicans stand for, which is something we should have done automatically. We had january 6. That is all i have to say. Host martha, you want to respond . Guest 2 alex is right. There was a very insightful comment, alex. The issue with trump right now, what we are seeing play out on the republican side is that no one can challenge him. If you are Glenn Youngkin even, and you are looking at getting into this, you have to look at the polling. You have to look at the media landscape. You have to look at everything. You have to analyze. There may be donors who are more moderate republicans who would like to see Glenn Youngkin get into this race, but how do you appeal to republican primary voters to actually win against donald trump when there are no checks and balances on the power that donald trump has within the primary electorate . Polling says that republican primary voters trust what trump is saying over what they hear in the news, what they here at church, what they hear from hear at church, what they hear from their family. Trump has such a grip on the party that it is scary for those of us who are moderates who do not want to see trump return to the white house. It would be dangerous for the country if trump were to win again. I agree with alex that democrats have to inform the American People, have to draw the contrast about just how much of the dictator donald trump would be, if he had the chance to return to the white house. I think alex is absolutely right. We have to raise the stakes on this. We live in a country now where we have fewer rights than we did when donald trump was elected. We have many more economic problems. We have qualityoflife issues that donald trump instigated. It is up to democrats and the American People to reject his form of authoritarianism and his form he wants to overthrow democracy. That is what we saw january 6. That is an existential threat we cannot ignore. We must take it headon. We must draw the contrast. Donald trump is dangerous. Host i want to switch gears. We had a question that we got on x. Do either of the guests think the house or senate will pass a budget bill in 45 days or is the insider politics that there will be another cr . What is your take on what might happen on november 17 when this current stopgap funding runs out . Guest 1 the house has two more of the spending bills. They are supposed to pass 12 in all. They have passed 4 at this point. 2 more they will debate this week. There is an agriculture bill they have not been able to get there on. The senate will begin to get into gear. It is very remote that they will be able to agree on all of them in the next 45 days, so that will be an even bigger showdown than this will be. The closer you get to the end of the year, the closer you get to the holidays and the bigger the battle will be. I expect there will be another cr discussion. Another big aspect we sort of touched on is a reckoning over ukraine funding. There was a vote in the house this week where more than half of House Republicans voted against funding ukraine. The real big battle coming is about ukraine funding, so that is something people should definitely be watching. Another cr is likely to be needed. Host lets go to syracuse, new york now, diane on the independent line. Caller i was born in 57, and over the span of the years i decided not to watch politics because of personal reasons, i started watching politics and the house and the senate during covid. I lost my business, everything else, im not going to complain. My problem is with both parties. The republicans seem to be very quiet and nice, and there is a small group that is outrageous and wants to get their point across no matter what. I have seen on the democrats that it is like fire and brimstone. Do not take offense and do not assume anything by my next comment, but i was watching yesterday the democrats it is almost like a snapback in history. Someone would speak, and i think everyone will know who i am speaking about, and the crowd would raise and hold their hand rave and hold their hands up and clap. It was very offensive to me. No one in either party addresses the peoples, the wrongdoing he evils, the wrongdoing. It is always backbiting, accusing one party or the other. Democrats have taken advantage of things, private jets, and bringing bills that republicans could not read because there was a lack of time. It is almost like childish banter. Both guest our strategistss guests are strategists. They will pick talking points to make their team looks better. I would like the democratic strategist to tell me why she thought it was ok for bob menendez to pull the fire alarm. Talking points. I will not complain or make any inference, but i would like an answer. Host martha, i will let you quickly respond. Guest 2 thank you, diane, for your call. Im sorry to hear about your business. I think you hit the nail on the head. We need to get back to the serious issues. Rail safety, health care costs, prices for groceries, doing everything we can to bring down inflation. Make things easier and better for the American People. Acrosstheboard there is lacking in seriousness. We need to take real steps for the American People to deliver on things that we all deserve. On jobs, the economy, health care costs, i think you are right about some of the lack of the seriousness and it is a shame and we need to hold our elected officials accountable to a high standard. Host democratic strategist martha cannot and republican strategist mike Martha Mckenna and robin strategist mike ricci. Muzaffar chishti discusses Muzaffar Chishti discusses later, increase in migrants at southern border and the Biden Administrations recent move to allow nearly 500,000 venezuelan migrants to obtain work permits. Ext, we are going back to the question we started out the show with. We want to hear yaction to thelation that averted a Government Shutdown. Republican 202 7488, democrats 202 74, independents 202 7488002, and federal workers 202 7488003. Start calling it now and we will t to your call right after the break. Author Charlotte Gray is a canadian born in Great Britain who lives in a suburb. Her book titled passionate mothers powerful sons is about churchills and jenna churchill. She was the mother of winston churchill. Sarah delano married James Roosevelt and begin the mother of fdr in 1882. Charlotte great rights that one of the reasons to write about these Charlotte Gray writes that were the reasons to write about these two women whose lives were very different. Boonos plus is available on cspan while free mobile app forever get your podcasts. Cspan shop. Org is your store. Books, a home to court, assessors, something for every cspan fan. Shop now or anytime at cspan shop. Org. Weekends, book leading authors diusng their latest nonfiction books. The ahor of survival of the richest joined book tvs indepth to talk about the digital revolution and the consequence, human autonomy, cyberculture and more. Then on afterwards, a New York Times reporter goes to the success and failures of the last four decades in his book the times. Watch book tv every weekend on cspan two and find a full schedule on your Program Guide or watch online anytime at book tv. Org. Washington journal continues. Host we are back with washington journal. We went hear your reaction to the legislation that President Biden signed into law late yesterday avert a federal Government Shutdown. Number is republicans 202 7488001, democrats 202 7488000, independents 202 7488002 and if you are a federal worker, who want to call us at 202 7488003. Lets start with david calling from chadbourne, North Carolina on the independent line. What are your thoughts, david . Caller thank you for having me. I want to say i saw the bill was passed to keep the government funded for 45 more days. I was looking at that and i thought to myself, i saw on the bottom part where they were not going to do anything just yet with ukraine funding and immigration. I agree with what they have done thus far but i wish they would come together on the other two issues. I guess in 40 we will know. The ukrainian issue we have sunk a lot of money into that country to fund the cause and i agree with the cause but there has to be Something Else we can do without continuously putting our money and a bottomless well. On the immigration issue, even nothing at all about that. Our borders i do believe are 100 open and we have no funding for our guys at Border Patrol. These guys are going to be working without being paid. It is very frustrating to see that our country wont prioritize that more than they do. But i agree with the 45 days for now. I hope they can hash it out and get something going on the ukraine and immigration issue. Host shutdown averted until november 17. Elizabeth in hawaii, democratic line, what are your thoughts . Caller regarding the threat of the shutdown and lead up to it, with so much baked into that, i do think it is an insult to try to have a pay raise inserted into one of the possibilities in light of what it is all about which is trying to cut corners where possible for anyone to consider adding a pay raise into the mix of what would be put out there for about his consultant to the rest of the American Public in light of the fact that the whole thing is about spending money. With regard to ukraine, i think we tend to forget what world war ii was really all about. My father was in the Army Air Corps which eventually came the air force and the whole point was the continual eating up of another country and the occupation, all the way through france, paris, to the english channel. Hit their occupied all of europe. Ukraine hitlers occupied hitler occupied all of europe. Ukraine is trying to be taken by russia and all the baltics. The consequences are dire if he succeeds in taking ukraine and poland will fall in the other baltic nations that work formally in the ussr. Many different points but they all climbed together glom together. People are thinking on specific issues and lose sight what it means down the road, whether it is china and taiwan. Those are my thoughts this morning. Host lets go to the independent line, lou is calling from idaho. Caller the problem i see is number one, democrats cant do basic second grade math. They dont understand if you make 4 trillion in taxes and you only have 27 of that to spend on discretion, 10 of which is taken up by the interest of the debt, i think that leaves you somewhere less than a trillion dollars to spend. If you are going to spend more than that, you have to borrow it. We are 33 trillion in debt. We are never going to get out of it. You are worried about a Government Shutdown, you better worry about government to bankruptcy. Host lets hear from tom in dayton, ohio, republican line. Caller it thinking is joe biden got on tv and said he has cut the deficit by a trillion dollars. If he is cutting the deficit, why do we need more money all the time . We are already to the point that we cannot ever pay this debt off. I would like to know how many congressmen and senators run their personal lives into so much debt that their children and their children cant pay back. I think we need to have the government officials, Social Security and everyone who works for the government should be on that program, not their own retirement plan. With health they shouldnt have their own premier planet. They should be on the government plan and i think they will run things a lot better that way and be more responsible for their actions. Host mentioned some previous comments from President Biden but i want to read a portion of his statement from last night accompanying the news that he had signed at the stopgap federal funding legislation into law. He wrote in p this is good news for the American People, bunt to be clear, we should never hav in this position in the first place. A few months ago Speaker Mccarthynd reached a govern budget to avoid this crisis. For weeks, extreme House Republicans tried to walk away that deal by demanding drastic cuts that wove been devastating for millions of americans. While the speaker and the elming majority of congress have been steadfast their support for ukraine, t is no in nothing in this to continue that support peewee cannot under any circumstances allow american support for ukraine to be interrupted. I fully expect the speaker will keep his commitmento the people of ukraine and secure passage of the support needed to help ukraine at this critical moment. Those are some of resident joe bidens comments signing the temporary funding into law. We want to hear more from you and your thoughts about this averted Government Shutdown. Republicans 202 7488001, democrats 202 7488000, independent . 202 7488002, and federal workers 202 7488003. Thomas is calling on the democratic line. Go ahead. Caller the republicans made a deal months ago. All of this and they want to renege. Everybody wants to put the blame on biden. This three new to wake up. We are not going back into the 1960s. That is all i have to say about it. Host lets hear from karen calling from alabaster, alabama on the republican line. Caller really was trying to talk to the previous guest. You have the partisan hacks who come on here and talk about the extreme right between rightwing maga went 67 in the polling data believe we are headed in the wrong direction as far as our economy and laws and bills they are trying to pass and money they are spending. The majority of americans dont agree with the way they are handling ukraine, which means we are tired of sending money to ukraine. That is not an extreme view. That is the majority of their cans. It doesnt matter what the swamp wants in washington, d. C. It matters what the American People want and the previous callers have said we are in such dire straits with the economy right now as far as spending money, we cant afford to do that anymore. The people have talked and we have wondered of the country that support trump. That is not an extreme view, that is a lot of people in the country that agree with that. Quick having these people on calling them extreme. Biden, obama, a lot of the political elites have said they want to transform america. What does that mean . It looks like they want an autocratic government, one person who makes all of the rules. That is what we have right now. The Biden Administration is ignoring Immigration Laws. And i noticed they want money for the border. We need them to allow the Border Patrol agents to do their job and send people back home. The told them not to go hunting down people. They are processing migrants. That is what they are forcing them to do. We need to fix this. Host we are going to hear from sheldon in baltimore, maryland. Sheldon is a retired federal workers. Tell us what you used to do and did you work through any Government Shutdown . Caller yes, i did. I am 72 years old and yes i did. It was back in the 1990s. Host probably during the clinton years i believe there were a couple. What are your thoughts about the shutdown being averted . Caller i am glad it is averted. But you look at the republicans, democrats, independents, federal workers, it shouldnt be like that it should be one line because right now through cspan, one line should call through, even though you might be a republican or democrat or independent or federal worker. If we keep kicking the can for 45 more days, when i was coming up they made for 10 years. What happened to the 10 years . 45 days should not have been. Should not happen. Host next is scott and great falls, montana on the democratic line. Caller i have never been a fully left democrat, but i am getting there because i just cant believe this Republican Party and these maga people. They lie all the time and i cant believe some of the callers calling in. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if they would check current facts on their main man, he is a thief and a robber. That is the documented. He lies incessantly and i think this country better wake up. Biden is doing an axle and job. The only way we will get out of this is spending more money to make more money. I think he is doing a good job. That is all i have to say, thank you. Host lets go to the independent client. Jeff is calling from nebraska. Caller i find it amazing how short memories republicans have a balancing the budget. They didnt do it before years of trump and spent seven trillion dollars. Do you get that, republicans . Are you listening . They dont care about the budget. They only care about it when democrats are in the office and only complain about it when a democrat is the office. They should go back to balancing the budget under a Republican Congress who made them do it. I dont understand where the thought process and why we cant balance the budget. The government should have to do it. I am tired of listening to republicans only complain when a democrat is in Office Spending money. Granted only balance the budget complete budget under democrats. I am not a fan of any democrat. I am no fan of any politician and no one should be. Thank you. Host jeff mentioned there is partisan divide but also bipartisan support for this shortterm funding bill. Lets watch Mitch Mcconnell, the republican from kentucky, delivering remarks on the senate floor yesterday last night regarding government funding legislation. [video clip] sen. Mcconnell with just a few months to spare, and arm pull to avert a shutdown. The clearest path forward is shortterm funding extension that gives us time to continue a number of important discussions about outstanding priorities, from securing supplemental relief to restoring security at the southern border, the Biden Administration has dragged it into chaos and putting stronger constraint over the president s reckless spending, supplying ukraine with more assistance. It needs to repel rushs invasion. On that particular point of most Senate Republicans remain committed to helping our friends on the front lines, to invest part heavily in american strength and reinforce our allies and return our top strategic adversary, china. I am confident the senate will pass further urgent assistance to ukraine later this year. But thats the clear, the alternative to our action today and entirely affordable Government Shutdown would not just pause the progress on important priorities but would have to shut them back. As a process it would settle people with unnecessary hardships. Im glad we have taken the resolution to keep oracle functions going at the current writs of operation. Passing this measure, keeping the lights on, allows us to turn our attention to making headway on the appropriations our colleagues have been working on and will give us the flexibility to meet urgent supplemental priorities both at home and abroad. I would urge our colleagues in join me in supporting this important step in the right direction. Host that was senate provoking leader Mitch Mcconnell, speaking last night about his support for the temporary government funding legislation. We are going back to the phone lines to get more of your reaction to the bill passing. Lets hear from deborah in hubert, North Carolina on the republican line. Caller i think Mitch Mcconnell was correct in everything he said. I think people that call us maga extremists can call us whatever they want. I love him. I think he was a great president. And how much bull they put on him. I think he is going to win and i hope he wins forever. The diet reforming said that he doesnt understand how the republicans and cant balance the budget, it is because you cant if you have too much going out. My family does that to me. If i get a check and i am going to pay bills and they say i have to have this and i have to have that and they spend it and i have to worry about where the money is coming from. You. Host lets hear from ernest in exeter, rhode island, democratic line. Caller i just have two points. The first point is that prior to the United States entry into world war i and world war ii, the majority of americans were isolationists. No one wanted to get involved. Only until world war ii when fdr set up the land to Lease Program with battleships with was england given a chance to survive. This is very similar what is going on in ukraine. The second issue is related to the lack of knowledge the people have about our political system. There are three equal branches of government. There is not just one branch of government with maga republicans at running everything. George carlin to a whole routine on why the upperclass wants to keep us stupid. This is a perfect example when you hear some arguments and republican counterparts talking about trump and what a great man he is. People do not know how to read and analyze issues. This is a basic problem with our educational system. We are content to graduate people from high school who cant read. This is the end result. You have people following people like trump with no ability to discern any level at all of fact versus fiction. Host i want to share a bit of a breaking news that is somewhat related to the shorttm funding legislation eerie matt gaetz just now on cnn said he will attempt to oust speaker Kevin Mccarthy this week. That is what is called in congressional speak the motion to vacate any one member who can make that on the house floor. I will read a little from the article. It says, what matt gaetz is planning to out Speaker Mccarthy after the house leader worked with democrats to avoid a Government Shutdown on saturday. Speaking with jake tapper and state, the Florida Republican said he intends to file a motion to vacate this week which would force a vote on whether mccarthy will keep his job. Speaker mccarthy made an agreement with house conservatives in january and since then he has been imprisoned a breach of that agreement gates said sunday. To blow past the spending guardrails we set up is the last straw. That is florida representative matt gaetz who is previewing a motion to vacate and health for. If stay tuned to cspan which provides gaveltogavel coverage of everything that goes on in the house floor so you wont miss it if you stay tuned right here to cspan when that motion does happen. The house does return monday evening worklds. We are going to take a quick break and then up next, Migration Policy Institute senior fellow Muzaffar Chishti discusses the increase in migrants at the u. S. Southern border and the Biden Administrations recent move to allow nearly 500,000 venezuelan migrants to obtain work permits. That is after the break. Monday, watch the series books that shaped america, featuring the journals of those and clark after the louisiana purchase. President Thomas Jefferson ordered an expedition from east to the west. It covered nearly 8000 miles from 1804 to 1806. Lewis and clarke kept detailed notes. 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The next month in july was 132,000 and by august 100 81 thousand. In september, we are on track to hit 2000, more than double in june. We know the number in june has on down from previous months. Can you talk about the fluctuations in migrants at the southern border and what is driving the up swing we are seeing now. Guest the change from june to now. In may of this year, the Biden Administration announced significant policy changes at the border. They tried to incentivize people to come to the ports of and use an app to enter an appointment and this incentivized people to come to the country. What happened and all migration patterns is that migrants took a couple months to adjust to the new realities of enforcement and found if you showed up between whats of entry with a family, the chances of being let in our higher. That is how we sought a big jump in the numbers from june to september. Host in the aftermath of title 42, the administration has also paired asylum rules with more access to legal pathways for migrants. Can you talk about that strategy and what the strategy and how the strategy has evolved and how that is lang into what we are seeing at the southern border. Guest the administration is dealing with a crisis that has developed over the last few years, since 2019. Even with title 42, people celebrated it as his magic bullet that the Trump Administration had invented to curb immigration. It actually allowed more people to come to the vest then before, simply because under title 42, we would just expel people. We would not even create a file on them people would come and have repeated attempts. That has led to more immigration. I think what this administration has tried to do is that it has created more legal pathways for people to enter then for them to make attempts to come to ports of entry illegally. It created a Large Program for cubans, nicaraguans, and venezuelans. They can come under a program and the idea was that would take pressure off of people trying to cross the border illegally. At some of that is working and some is still frankly not working. Host i know our viewers are going to have questions and comments for you because immigration has come up a lot throughout our discussion, particularly when it comes to government funding. I want to give the phone lines. If you are a republican, 202 7488001, if you are a democrat 202 7488000, independents should call 202 7488002. You can call with your questions or Muzaffar Chishti. Or just your comments about migration and immigration. Go ahead and start calling it now. Are the rising numbers we are seeing now a good metric of whether the end of title 42 is a Biden Administration new policies working . Do the numbers tell us whether the Biden Administration is on the right track or other things at play . Guest the thing for people to understand is the border today is totally different than it was even eight years ago. Eight years ago people coming to the border were mostly single mexican man sneaking in to find a job in the United States. Today, most in our nonmexicans. Many art families coming from all parts of the world. The american migrants by the majority. This administration really decided that the optics of a mismanaged border are not good in trying to create incentives. I think some of that is working but the pressures are so i that unless we do Something Differently about the asylum system is what is providing major magnets for people to come. I dont think we will see a huge decline in migration because the pushback is strong. Host i want to ask you about that. I am showing a chart that cbs news created in an article about migration and immigration and it shows the largest refugee crises in the world. We have cereal with 5. 2 million, ukraine with roughly 6. 2 million, and venezuela with 7. 7 million, and we know a lot of the venezuelan refugees are attempting to make their way to the United States. What are the economic and humanitarian factors that are driving people, particularly from venezuela, away from their home country and into the u. S. . Guest venezuela has created a unique situation. There are simply three venezuelans have left as a result of the political crisis following chavez and maduros regimes. 16 countries took many of them in. Columbia has taken 2 million venezuelans. The small country of peru has taken one million venezuelan refugees. What happened particularly after covid19 and most think of covid19 as a health crisis, it proved to be a huge economic crisis for many of these countries. Covid pushed the venezuelans out and they started finding their way to the u. S. That is the major region for the venezuelans. The other is that research is showing many of them are coming to the u. S. Without any significant family or home country communities in the u. S. That makes them more aligned on reliant on Public Benefits which is what we have seen in the northeastern cities in our country. Host we have been talking with Muzaffar Chishti. He is from the Migration Policy Institute. I want to get to your calls, questions and comments. Republicans 202 7488001 democrats 202 7488000 independents 202 7488002. Lets start with william and las cruces, new mexico on the independent line. Caller thank you so much for this discussion, cspan. Host thank you, go ahead. Caller i was coming calling to mention how i appreciate you having these guests on because living down by the border, we have lived here for years, it is quite safe and i dont it is being reported on as much. Our Border Security is good and has been for decades. I was wondering if your guest at any experience speaking to people who live down by the border and their experience with living in this area instead of the talking points. I was wondering if there was any discussion with People Living here about the safety of the border and what they experience. Guest i did go on a border trip a couple months ago and i really was quite moved by the trip. It changed my perceptions in many ways. We do not give our Border Patrol personnel enough credit for what they do. Their job is not to process people but to keep our borders safe. They tried to keep us safe from security threats from criminal gangs and apprehend people and treat them with dignity. Border patrol has never created a sense of disorder at the border. They take people in an orderly way for processing inside facilities, some of them in large tents and some in brick and mortar facilities. When they process, they never let them out into the communities. That is not in their dna. They take him to the nonprofit organizations, many church run, who provide them shelter for two or three days and send them on to their destinations. The whole idea of the Border Patrol today is to create order. I think they are doing very well. Some politicians exploit the situation but is generally processed quite well at the border in the border communities may be impacted for a little while but generally they are not where they settle but they are just processing them in transit and then they move on. That is why i think he is right that the perception that the border is out of control is generally not consistent with what we observe. Host . Is next in dillon, south carolina, republican line. Caller i am calling to as the gentleman a question. If the migrants are starting, no money, no way to take care of them, where are they getting the tens of thousands of dollars per person to be escorted through mexico with the cartels . That is a lot of money for a person. I cant understand if they are that growth and under and starving, where are they getting the 10,000 a piece to come into the United States . Guest that is a really good question. I think it tells you something about the nature of the flows. These are people from our interviews and Research Showing people are willing to mortgage their life savings to make this journey. They are willing to take this 50 chance they may not make it to the United States that they would die. None of the most difficult and treacherous pieces between colombia and panama and they still take the risk. Their lives are in such danger that they still want to take the risk. That is the nature of the factors we face today and we have to acknowledge that. It is consistent with the nature of the flows and desperation that people encountered when they decided to take the journey. Host next up is louise in North Carolina on the independent line. Caller item under the impression that this is a manipulated migrant flow probably run by some hierarchy of elites, may the World Economic forum, to destroy the United States and make it one big world economy. I think it is hilarious that as soon migrants are shipped to Marthas Vineyard, they ousted them because they are the tributes and they didnt want them in their area and now new york. I think, is that strange, because people say they are think great cities and states dont want any of them. Thank you. Guest i think part of point is right and part is not. There is no evidence of a global conspiracy to create migration flows. As i said in response to an earlier color, these are people in desperate situations really trying to use all their life savings to make this journey. They bring their kids along and knowing all the kids may not make it. Just imagine what kind of desperate feeling you must have. They take that risk hoping they will make it to the u. S. I think the other point is valid. The northeastern cities, many called sanctuary cities have for the first time in probably a long time experienced the effect of these new migrant flows. What they are dealing with and what we all should be concerned about is this is an unmanaged, unregulated flow. I think that is a mistake. After the Biden Administration decided we want to create an orderly nature of flow at the border, what they didnt do is where they would go and that was left to the communities in texas and ngos and Governor Abbott decided to ship them to new york city and Governor Desantis decided to fly planes to Marthas Vineyard to teach the liberals a message or they finally got the lesson. In this case the southern governors have won the argument. It doesnt mean they are right. This is not the texas versus new york problem. This is not april as rural rural versus urban problem. Biden administration should look after we move people to the border, the federal border on a National Basis in an orderly way is going to decide where people go. We have sent them to places where they have family connections. If they dont have them, we will decide where they go depending on where the jobs are in the Housing Market is not as expensive as new york. That would be can orderly, managed flow. And then the cities and states would not have faced the pressure the way they have. So on that same note, we have heard a lot from new york city mayor eric adams who talked about the influx of asylum seekers. I have a tweet pulled up from a couple weeks ago where he talked about working with the administration but has criticized the Biden Administration. You put out a piece about the cities and what they are experiencing and i know eight talked about wishing the Biden Administration had been more proactive about that. You say the challenge is most severe in new york city which has a unique legal obligation to provide shelter to anyone who needs it. Can you talk about that and what do you think should be done now that the city says it is being overwhelmed. Guest new york is the ultimate migrant welcoming city. The statue is here. New york has accepted migrants through all generations. Made this particular chapter different was that these migrants, many bust from texas and lets be clear, that was politically motivated, that this flow has been sudden and visible and targeted and dramatic. That has created a new optics about this flow. The second reason which is what you are pointing to is new york compared to any other place in the country is unique. It has in the state constitution that you are entitled to shelter. That has been interpreted in a Court Decision in new york city which led to a consent degree decree that was brought by homes men in a part of new york which had a lot of Homeless People at that time. The Court Ordered new york city that you must provide shelter to anyone who needs it. That provision was used in this chapter that new york city had the obligation to provide shelter to the one, even someone who just arrived in the city a few days ago. That is what has created the big item ticket for new york city in this fiscal challenge. Does the mayor believe the mayor, i believe has spent 2 billion and is projecting they may spend 12 billion in the next three years. The numbers could be exaggerated but it is a large number. It is an unplanned number and has come at a time when new york has its own crisis and is recovering from the postcovid economic crisis. They have a difficult time with the commercial real estate in new york. All those things have made it a much bigger event than it normally would have been. In that regard, i think new york is quite unique to any other place in the country. Host lets go back to the phone lines, richmond virginia, regina is calling on the independent line. Caller warm. Good morning. Caller i wanted to discuss how u. S. Sanctions and policy in latin american countries affect the citizens of those countries and that could be some of the reasons why we are seeing such a high number of those citizens coming to the u. S. Because how the sanctions have limited them and stifled them from any kind of growth and success and they are coming here because they no longer can have a better life in their country due to sanctions. Guest i am not an economic expert. My general knowledge about the subject is that i think the observation is valid. There are many policies the United States put in place which do create some pushback. The point the caller is making has been made a lot by cuba that the sanctions in cuba, economic pressure on cuba does create migration pressures from that country. Similarly as has happened with nicaragua, civil wars in those countries have created a huge pressure for migration. A combination of political and economic factors are very important. Both the venezuelan one particularly. If you look at the four countries which are four of the most major companies, cuba, haiti, nicaragua, and venezuela, you would ascribe certain economic and political policies that have affected the economies and social fabric of those countries white lead to migration pressures of those countries have obviously led to migration pressures. Host lets go to the republican line, marion from florida. Marion calling from florida. Caller we basically have absolute chaos and lawlessness at the border. We have apprehended 150 people on the terrorist watch list and those are just the ones we know about. How many are coming through who have not been apprehended . We had over within the thousand people die from fentanyl in the last year, more than twice the number that died in the vietnam war. There is child and sex trafficking. People are being raped and dying crossing. This enriches the cartels. We are providing Free Health Care and education, and a free flight wherever you want to go and free housing in many cases. This is undermining our National Security and sovereignty. It does appear intentional. When biden came in he immediately ended everything on the board that was working, including the remain in mexico policy. He reinstituted catch and release. If people know they are going to be let in the country, they are going to keep coming. That is just common sense. Host a lot there. Guest the Trump Administrations migration policies to say they are working or effective in the flow i think is wrong because of title 42. Title 42 has gotten a lot of press as this was the ultimate solution to the problem. It actually was doing no screening. The kind of screening we need to do to catch criminals was not even done on title 42. Under title 42 new would not that she would not even create. Under existing law if someone comes to the u. S. Who has been deported in the past and making entry, we not only dont allow them in, we create a barrier for them to come to the u. S. Even legally for the next five years. That would not be done under title 42 because we are not even recording people. Any people actually making returns and repeat visits and took a chance. If there are not enough beds at the border post on a saturday morning, you wont be let in. If enough Border Security people do not show up, you may get in. It has become a very easy way for people to him and they were quite persistent in making attempts. The idea we are dealing with National Security issues under title 42 i think is just not right. The part that the caller is right about that magnet today is not the Public Benefits and schooling and all of that, of the benefits they are intelligent and can forgive what is a mandated asylum. Everyone coming to the border saying they are applying for phylum ash asylum. Once you apply the asylum. Once you apply, it is taking years. That backbone create the magnet. We do think that the factor of asylum is an important factor. We have argued that all new asylum cases from the border should not be sent to a backlogged migration system but to officers at the u. S. Cis. I think people who deserve asylum will get it faster and people who dont will not and should be removed and that will send the signal, if you are not truly eligible for asylum, do not make the journey. Host we are going to have to leave it there. Muzaffar chishti. Thank you for joining us this morning. Guest thank you for having me. Host that will do it Fort Washington journal. Do it for washington journal. 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