Research and suggestions for improving the management of public lands. We take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. Next. Ton is host preparations are underway for President Trumps salute to america in washington tomorrow. One concern was the use of tanks brought in by flat head flatbed trucks and put on display during the event. You can watch that on cspan tomorrow starting at 5 00. This is the washington journal for july 3. The Inspector General released a report on overcrowded conditions of detainees along sections of the southern border. Using terms such as dangerous overcrowding and ticking time bomb. We will get your thoughts on the situation. Here is how you can call and let us know if you live in the eastern and central time zones, 2027488000. If you live in the mound and pacific time zones, 2027488001. If you are a border state resident at the southern border, 2027488002. You can post your thoughts on twitter at cspanwj and on our Facebook Page, facebook. Com cspan. The title of the report that was released by the Inspector General of the department of Homeland Security when it comes to that crowding when it comes to the rio grande section if you go to the website oi g. Dhs. Gov, dhs needs to address overcrowding and prolonged detention of children and adults in the rio grande valley, you can find that online. One section of the report reads we are concerned overcrowding and prolonged detention represent an immediate risk to the health and safety of dhs agents and officers and those detained. Border patrol management told us there had already been security incidents among adult males at multiple facilities. Senior managers raised security concerns for agents and detainees. One called the situation a ticking time bomb, just one section of the report and the other deals with situations concerning children. Border patrol costa rica theody data 21 of children at facilities had be been held longer than the 72 hours permitted. For example of the 1031 of those held at the centralized texas, 806center in had not been processed. Processed, 165 of those had been in custody longer than a week. Those are two sections of a multipage report and you can find it online if you go to the website of the Inspector General. Hs. Gov. We will show you more as we go along. If you want to talk about the findings, the larger situation when it comes to those detainees, give us a call. 2027488000 if you live in the eastern and central time zones. If you live in the mountain and pacific time zones, 2027488001. And if you live along the southern border and you are a resident of the state along the southern border and want to give your perspective, 2027488002. A couple of comments from our facebook feed this morning, you can make your comments known at facebook. This is robert saying the congress is 100 responsible for this nightmare. Until our immigration and asylum laws are changed, this horror show will continue. Doug says send them back, simple. Dennis adding congress cannot do anything right and just and bartlett also posting on our Facebook Page adding the words build the wall when it comes to dealing with the situation. Bob in wisconsin in clover, wisconsin. You are up first. What do you think about the findings of the report . Caller first, i totally blame democrats. I am a veteran, sir. I believe very much in sending these people back. You and i as americans are expected to obey the law or we get penalized or put in jail. These people deliberately broke the law. I blame democrats for encouraging them and please send them all back home. I did not serve our great nation to have it invaded by whoever, whether they are mexican or arab. Please deport every one of them, plus those dreamers. Obey the constitution, democrats. Host dean from North Carolina next. Good morning. Go ahead. Send all them back if they did not let them over the border to start with. Now they want welfare and everything. In the short term, what do you think about the overcrowding conditions . Is this a concern for you . Caller it would not be overcrowded if our leaders had stood up to them and not let them cross the border. All that is is a bunch of thieves in washington wanting something. Host if you go to the website and look at the report, the report features several photos of some of those conditions taking place and what inspectors saw. This is specifically for the rio grande section of the southern border which sees the most activity. Some of those pictures being posted. This is part of the report from the dhs office where you can see more of that. A borderlives along state in florida, go ahead. Caller good morning, pedro. This is no more than depraved in distance indifference to children or adults. Mr. Kelly, mr. Trump should all be prosecuted for this depraved indifference. Host when you say depraved indifference, expand on that. What do you mean . Caller their health needs arent being met, the food isnt being met, the sanitary conditions are deplorable. Guess 6y i called up i months ago saying the same thing and i wonder why it has taken so long for the press to catch on to this story. It has been happening for probably a year and nothing has been done. No investigative reporters have gone in unless, of course, they are suppressing these stories. The one of the features of dhs report when it comes to those detained, it is the number and they givens some comparisons from october 2017 to may 2018 when it comes to apprehensions only, unaccompanied alien children 30 family units, 32,000. Making it a total in that timeframe of october 2017 to may. 018, 99,835 a year later from october 2018 wasay 2019, children 23,944. Jumping tos, 63,507 223,263. That taking place from october 2018 to may 2019. More of that information put out report yesterday. Michael, go ahead. Caller i would like to say i am also a veteran. What goeshe world so around comes around. Dont this morning it is the white european that is crying because they need help. What do you think should be done about the overcrowding . Caller i think they need to take the money, allocate. Weve got the money, allocate. Compassion. To have we always get on tv and say god bless america. When you say take the money, what do you mean by that . Caller i am talking about, we are closing down military barriers and we need to take the money and clean them up because we are all human. Roy inets hear from florida, eastern and central time zones, which is one of the ways we divide the lines up. Roy in florida, you are next up. Go ahead. Caller i think there definitely is danger in overcrowding. A lot of this has been brought on by the Trump Administration and their unwillingness to go against their willingness to go against the law. This cannot happen. They are going to have to come up with a come out with some other thing to fix this situation. These people are suffering. It is inhumane, not right and this is a stain on our history because of President Trump. Byt is that what you mean going against the law . The previous statement you made . Againstyes, he is going the law. He is holding them on incarceration instead of letting them take asylum claims, that is why these places are so packed. When is it ever going to end . Nobody is doing a darn thing about it. Democrats arent. They cannot get anything on him thumbing his nose at them all the time. This goes on like a concentration camp and that is what it is, i am sorry. Host there is an analysis piece if you go to the newsweek website when he talks about what is going on at the border, comparing it to situations of the previous administration. Part of that says although it is difficult to compare whether Living Conditions were worse or better, Obamas Administration was accused of treating migrants in similar ways to that of the current white house. In 2015 during the president s tenure president obama, a referred to them as ice boxes. Filthyg, overcrowded, cells for extended period of time. Violation of constitutional standards and Border Patrols policies. If you go to the website newsweek, jason leman is the author of that analysis taking a look at conditions under this administration and making comparisons to the previous one. We are talking about those overcrowding situations. 2027488000 if you live in the eastern and central time zones. 2027488001 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones. And if you live along a border state, particularly the southern border, 2027488002. In illinois, we hear from kathryn in bolingbrook. Caller good morning. I believe i truly believe the United States is the greatest nation on earth. There is no doubt. We have everything we need, but we are losing our direction. Poor and how we treat these immigrants coming in, god is definitely going to judge us. God says blessed of the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Gods eyes are on these poor people. Host for what you said, what specifically needs to be done . Caller we have resources, lots of money that is just sitting around in our government. These cagesney, get unleashed and put them in decent housing. Lets look at these people and as a humanect you being. You cannot do this to another person without being judged, i am sorry. It hurts me so bad to see this and now we have a twoyearold dying in the rio grande . What are we doing . This is anthony in maryland. Good morning. Caller good morning. I would like to say for years donald trump has hired Illegal Immigrants and only when he became president did he say he was going to start deporting people. He did not want to pay a decent wage or health care for people americans. Even his own supporters cannot get jobs at his golf courses and hotels and they are crying right now because he wants to deport. If donald trump is not following the laws like honoring subpoenas , how does he expect anybody else to follow the law . Host what should be done with the Current Situation described by the office of Inspector General . Caller right now it is a crisis and it looks like we are going to have to not open the borders, but there has to be some type of way you are going you are going to have to put them into some type of decent housing. We are going to have to address this because sooner or later just like in africa when notilence breaks out, it is going to stay right there at the border, we have to take care of these people. People were saying with the candidates, give them medical care. We are going to have to because we are going to be infected with disease if an outbreak happens. Host several members of congress headed to the southern border to look at and inspect these detention facilities firsthand. One of those, represented of Joaquin Castro from texas not only going down to look at it, but tweeting out photos and also being able to play at least record a video while he was in one of those Detention Centers. You can find the video there, but we will show you a portion of it. [video clip] [indiscernible] we will make sure we are getting her care, on the record. And whether it is in custody or outcome of those records go with her. Host that is available on the representeds twitter feed. Rick says off of twitter, one byproduct of the treatment is our evangelical sending millions in aid to the children at the border. They are following trump to hell. Liz off twitter saying these people are living better right now than they have ever lived before. Mike is next in North Carolina. Good morning, go ahead. Caller good morning. How are you doing today, sir . Host find, thank you. Caller i could get real angry. Bout this situation these people are saying they are being interred in concentration camps. They better look up the word concentration camps. We are not asking these people to invade our borders. By outsideg invaded population want to give people a reason to come to america. We need to change the laws and the house of representatives, the controlling power at this time is the democrats. The democrats will not pass a you have got to stay in your own country if you are going to ask for asylum if you are in a country other than mexico. Host do you think immigration laws need to be changed further than that or help those who want to become citizens of the United States do so . Does. yes, it there is also another aspect of this. A lot of the people coming to america do not wish to become american citizens. They are not going to assimilate. They are coming here because the country they come from, there is zero chance of making any money. They can come to america and start making money. It is about the money. Host when it comes to the process of asylum, the hill reporting it was a federal judge blocking the order from the attorney general william barr that stated certain Asylum Seekers can be detained. Marsha pendulum in Washington State road it was unconstitutional to deny asylumseekers a bond hearing while they wait for asylum claims to be processed. It is the finding of this court it is unconstitutional to deny them a bond hearing. Giving asued hearing to be released within seven days after that hearing. Far barr issued his new asylum order. Finding the policy and cemented by william barr, the attorney general, was unconstitutional. In california, you are up next about this report about the overcrowding at the border and what should be done about it. Go ahead. Angry likeet so very the other gentlemen when i hear about all of this ilLegal Immigration and these bleeding heart liberals and people think the United States of america is supposed to take care of everybody except their own. I dont see anybody screaming about that. As far as the condition under, go are living home. They are living like current prisoners and convicts who also break the law. Correct,ant to come they dont have to go through that. It infuriates me so many people think godfearing people should welcome any and any every and anybody into their home and country without any question because they want to be here. That doesnt work in my house. Today, all of this ridiculousity for people who arent even american citizens. Why not take care of your own people . Int lets hear from juanita ohio. Good morning. Caller good morning. Frankly, i think the whole situation is a shame. What we need to do is basically , give theseaid. Eople a hearing you cannot hold a person indefinitely. Number two, the money they find decent places right now in south america, it is winter. Those people are tired and scared and happy fourth of july. Goodbye. Host an oped piece by will hurd represents the 23rd Congressional District of texas talking about that border spending deal signed by the president. Writes, i welcome the border spending bill, but this is only a shortterm fix. Congress and the Administration Must do more to address the crisis. It does not get to the root cause. Violence, poverty, and lack of justmic opportunity imagine how bad the situation must be in the home countries for migrants to risk a dangerous 23 mile trip over Central America to south or west texas. The crisis expose the need to upgrade asylum laws with a backlog of more than 900,000 cases. Asylumseekers must wait an average of two years for their cases to be heard, more Immigration Judges that can adjudicate a case within nine months. Such fixes along with streamlining Legal Immigration are straightforward ways to solve root causes of the current crisis. The writer represents the 23rd district of texas. You can read the piece for yourself, the border spending bill is still not enough. John is next in carrollton, texas. Good morning. Caller yes, good morning. Senators and representatives in Congress Took an oath to uphold the laws of this country. You come into this country illegally and expect us to take care of you, that is not right. Who represents us in the senate and congress have failed to uphold the oath they took to uphold the laws of this country. These people came of their own accord. I guarantee if we go to other countries, they will not open throw us in jail or somewhere like that. I dont see how it is our responsibility to take care of these people if they come here illegally. The report yesterday there was an additional report at chairman Elijah Cummings announcing a hearing will take place on this issue saying the committee on oversight and reform the committee inviting from theecretary department of Homeland Security and mike morgan from u. S. Customs and Border Protection to tify july 12 regarding harsh conditions at Detention Centers on the border. For nexting scheduled week. In texas, good morning. You are next. Caller good morning. I am glad finally we recognize this is, indeed, a crisis. Not a manufactured crisis. 6 months ago or before that when the president brought this issue to light, he was called all kinds of mean. Now we have congress people, democrats running to the border and taking pictures, talking all kinds of stuff that doesnt make sense. Child traffickers and drug dealers are using the asylum system to circumvent immigration laws. This is what it is about. The system needs to be fixed. That has been used as a backdoor to the country and that is wrong. Children across the board a illegally. Host lets hear from james, brooklyn, new york. Good morning. Cnnspan fork you taking my call. You guys have really gone downhill. Your manufactured callers you call been let them go on and on. Host first of all, i will stop you there, there is nothing manufactured about the calls, it is just cspan, but go ahead. Caller if you let me go in your studio and watch how you run your show, i bet you 1 million you guys are fake. Host the topic is the overcrowding at the border, what do you think about that . Caller these democrats make all this stuff up like they are really concerned. Nobody is concerned about the kids in Child Services here in new york, kids getting abused, but you are worried about these people at the border. You know what they can do . They can get out and walk out of those Detention Centers and go to their own country. One expressing concern is the department of Homeland Security itself. Guys spin ityou every way you want to put trump down. You guys are worse than cnn. Host that is what we talked about for the last halfhour. This report we talked about and shown you from dhs. This is from the Inspector Generals office talking about concerns of overcrowding. You can go to the website, read it for yourself. If you wish, you can answer and talk and give your comments on the conditions and what should be done about it. Thes 2027488000 for eastern and central time zones. 2027488001 for the mountain and pacific time zones. If you live along the southern border and live in a state and want to give your perspective, it is 2027488002. Feedan post on our twitter and our Facebook Page at facebook. Com cspan. Several stories taking a look at that event tomorrow, salute to america. You can see that 6 00 in the evening at cspan, cspan. Org, and our radio app. This is from one of the news stations in the washington dc metro area saying the president s celebration on the Lincoln Memorial will include a a perimeter of the restricted area will be around the steps of the memorial reflection tool pool. There will be a ticketed area for vip friends and Family Member of the military and they come at no extra cost. House added the entire event is free for the general public with no ticket requirement. When it comes to logistics, one of the issues was this idea of the two abrams tanks expected to be used during the celebrations. Picture of that in the wall street journal. The tanks will be freighted into the city amid commercial flatbed trucks and it will have to avoided the bridges and low hanging overhead wiring and historic buildings. The trucks will be escorted by park police and may move as slowly as five Miles Per Hour and take them to places where they will be displayed. If you go to the fox local news this morning two veteran organizations are joining forces for tomorrow to distribute thousands of shirts featuring the uss john mccain. Veterans will be handing out shirts at the National Mall. Other senator mccain, his father, or grandfather, the family has given more to this country seems like a great time to honor that service and sacrifice. After all, people like them and there are not many that make possible. Ration a little blurb about protests planned for tomorrow. If they can have the baby trump limped on the National Mall for the Lincoln Memorial speech, just not off the ground the National Park Service Granted the permit, but it does not allow the balloon to be filled with helium, only air and not the location requested within the line of sight of the Lincoln Memorial. All of that part of the salute to america process. You can see that tomorrow on our coverage of cspan. You can view it on our website and radio app. Annette from alexander city, alabama, thanks for waiting. Go ahead. The main reason there is dangerous overcrowding is those Detention Centers were never nt to house the thousands tens of thousands that accumulate into hundreds of thousands and at the same time, we are neglecting our own. Yet has 60,000 homeless and where is the hysteria from democrats . Endher thing, is there no to this long line of thousands that continue person after person to claim asylum because of poverty or danger or wherever . T seems to be no end this has to stop and i agree completely with the lady from california and others saying america has to first take care of their own. We have homelessness, my god, it has to start at home. Host princeton, georgia. Caller yes, good morning. About the overcrowding at the the asylum claim has a loophole where if you bring a child, you are automatically granted asylum. The Border Patrol personnel are reporting if they see the same children over and over again they see children that are not related to these adults. These people bringing these children are not necessarily their parents. The lady before me was right, these Detention Centers were never meant to house these many this many people. Those cages were built during the obama administration, not during the Trump Administration. These people come thousands of miles for this country to seek asylum, but really only about 10 have a real claim for asylum. The rest is people trying to get out of their country to come here. Number one to make money. Host geraldine is next in maryland. Caller hi. Thanks for my call. I have tried many times. I think these people, no matter what color they are, you cannot treat little children like animals. This man should be arrested for child abuse, child trafficking. He is terrible. I cannot see anybody. I was raised evangelical. Host how do you reserve the Current Issue dhs has explored and looked at and put a report out . Caller process these people. Trump invited them. He said we are going to have a wall, mexico will pay for it and that did not happen, he lied. He warned all these people, if you want to come, you better come now because i am building a wall and now we are flooded. Hise can send millions on fourth of july airplanes, he can put more people down there took process. Host that is geraldine in maryland. This topic entered the world of president ial politics, particularly among 2020 democrats. Politico reporting cory bookers approach that according to him would virtually eliminate immigration the tension, but profile from politico saying he would phase out the use of private Detention Centers and the move would greatly reduce. Etention space he is also proposing winding down detention prospects over the same year period. Politico saying what are the weaknesses of this proposal . The plan could face backlash from republicans and moderate democrats who consider it too lenient. Under the section of what would it cost they say the Trump Administration requested 120 monitor 210 million to a daily average of 120,000 people using alternatives to detention. The administration asked 2. 7ess for 2. 7 million billion, more than 10 times what it devoted to detention alternatives. It compares and contrasts his proposal to other candidates. States asling to key they make their case to become president of the United States. Kamala harris headed to iowa for an event in des moines. She will hold that town hall. You can watch it on cspan, cspan. Org, and listen on our radio app. On the fourth of july, joe biden and jill biden holding an event in marshalltown, iowa. That event you can see thursday tomorrow at 2 30. Those platforms available as well. We have set aside a line for those who live along border states. Morning, pedro. Host good morning. Caller first of all let me say kudos to you for defending washington journal earlier. On the question of whether or biasou are showing some these days, the only thing i would like to point out is the Inspector Generals Office Putting out this report yesterday is saying virtually, if not literally exactly what trump has been saying now for at least 6 to seven months. The photos they are showing this morning on cnn, they are doing one thing i have noticed the problem with our program this morning here is no one is giving kudos to the president and the administration for having pointed this problem out seven months ago, for having tried to declare a National Emergency about it several months ago. Everyone is acting like this report is something new and it is not. Fox has been putting it out, showing pictures like this, identifying people down there, telling people what is going on. Host now that it has been identified, how do you resolve it . Caller i thought we had put something in place the other day that was a good thing with the president of mexico and the thengement made to do submitting of the question of asylum on the mexican side of the border before we let them into this country and then we what the house of representatives refused to andess, to change the laws get rid of this ridiculous idea that we cannot just turn them around and put them out of the country. Border stateour residents giving a call, giving his opinion. The Washington Times highlights the work of the Mexican Government in taking asylumseekers back to home countries. This is peter orsi writing it was in a statement mexicos Foreign Relations department describe the efforts to turn people back to the country as the beginning of a temporary program of voluntary return for migrants in northern mexico who wish to go home. Were involved and 66 of those were returnees under the u. S. Program. This story adding there have been nearly 17,000 returns by asylumseekers to mexico from the United States under the program for weights that take many months or longer as claims slog through backlog u. S. Immigration courts. The Washington Times has that story if you want to read it. In manchester, connecticut, we hear from john. Caller yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my call. The immediate solution to the problem at the border is two fold. One is as some caller before here,no one invited them they can walk back to where they came from. That not being done voluntarily, push them back to mexico and let mexico take care of them because they are the ones that allow them to walk to the United States border or maybe we should do to canada what mexico does to us, give the illegals free passage all the way up to the Canadian Border and say you take care of them. Then we have to change what trump calls and rightly, our stupid laws, you detain them and you cannot detain them for more than x amount of days and then you release them with the promise to come back for a hearing. That is nonsense. Who is going to come back . Statistics say less than 2 do that. I would like to add the tookdent of el salvador responsibility for the death of that woman and that child saying if the country took care of citizens, this would not have happened. Of course, you have a Democratic Party that will not listen to reason because they want these people here so they will become democrats and vote democrats. Host lets hear from frank in virginia. Go ahead. Caller i hope the coverage of paradesidents military is better than usual and i wish you all would quit calling the democrats just democrats or liberals or leftwing or whatever. Call them what they are, communists. Host to the issue along the border and overcrowding, your thoughts on that . Caller sorry it happens that way, but those people are lied to and told they can come up here and come across the border and everybody will be happy to see them and all that stuff. When you have got a bunch of lying communists telling them olds just like the crazy senator that took all the stuff that Joseph Stalin preached in 1936 and he was doing his stuff nutcasehave got to be a to think socialism or communism, either one is going to go anywhere. Host this is npr reporting the Trump Administration seeking to d immigrants in the United States illegally. Targeted individuals ordering m to pay fines up to nine 500,000 dollars for failing to depart the u. S. As previously agreed. Hardlinehardest effort by the United States. Officer wrote to edith in a letter dated june 25 of 2019. The letters, from the administration as they prepared to carry out the late immigration sweeps of migrant families who received deportation orders. President trump said on monday while signing legislation to provide funding to address the influx of migrants that the immigration raids will begin after the july 4 holiday. More of that at the npr website. This is from bedford, texas, where tony is. Go ahead. Caller i love cspan. I wish i could get it in hd. I have a question for you, sir. Did trump stop the funding to those countries south of mexico . Host i dont know the pure answer to that off the top of my head, sorry. Caller okay. My hunch is we are not really trying to do anything where the problem is and then host you are saying Financial Support would be a good thing to those areas and might alleviate what is going on . Caller 100 . Isnt that what will heard says . Just do what he says. Host why do you think it would work . Caller i think it would work because it would better balance the hemisphere, but that is a different point it i guess my next question isnt trump the one who criminalized crossing the border . It wasnt really a criminal act to cross the border, he did that, didnt he . If he said if you cross the border, you are a criminal . Host part of many policy changes when it comes to immigration. Usa today in a piece, i will show you the headline, you can find it online about the United States cutting off humanitarian aid. You can find it online if you search for the headline. Hi. K in new york, caller hi. I hear a lot of outrage about the illegals, how they are being treated and housed and yet nobody is addressing the fact how congress treated the First Responders and they had to go to washington to beg for funding to take care of them. Where is the outrage there . Host some of that took place with some legislators making comments those issues will be resolved, but when it comes to the situation we are talking about, what do you think should be done . Caller send them home. They came here illegally, we did not invite them. Outraged by the democrats over how they are being treated is ridiculous when we are not taking care of our own First Responders. There by theutrage democrats. Host skip in california, hello. Caller good morning. Thanks for taking my call. Hear thesehocked to callers. I am wondering what country i live in now. I am 70 years old and this country has never, ever so much hatred going on and all these calls host when it comes to the issue, what do you think about what is going on and what has been reported by the department of Homeland Security . How do you resolve that . Caller it is like it is almost impossible to resolve this under the current political conditions we have. It is hatred that goes on in this country and comes right out most of it comes from the republican side. Remember, there was a few years there wereobama, passedat were almost that would have reformed the entire system and paul ryan stopped it all. Now here is trump saying it is the democrats fault. It is the republicans that keep stopping this progress. Skip in florida. The idea of a citizenship with the continue on census without the question weighede Supreme Court in. A Huffington Post piece saying the president spoke out on that decision not to add the question. A very sad time for america when the Supreme Court will not allow a question is this person a citizen of the United States to be asked on the census. He asked officials to do whatever is necessary to bring a Citizenship Question to a successful conclusion in the future and it shows some tweets sent by the president when it comes to the reaction from that decision yesterday. You can find those comments in his twitter feed. James from mississippi, hello. Caller good morning. I wanted to say a few things about the discussion and what you have been saying. I have the world almanac and book of facts from 2019. The first thing i wanted to say is in 2016 you had almost 90,000 refugees coming into the United States and that number has plummeted since 2016 since trumps election to less than 30000 and the other thing i wanted to say is you were talking about removals as opposed to returns as opposed to removals and not going through the court process. Of returnse number not having to go through the courts, but leaving the country dropped dramatically from 1. 2 million 10 now it is less than 100,000. It dropped dramatically, which means more people in the court system staying here longer. Host with all that information, how does that apply to the Current Situation, do you think . Currentcurrent the situation, my assumption is the change in the policy from allowing these people to return when they are caught to going through the removal process, which is a courtordered process has put many more people in this awkward and uncomfortable position of being stuck in our system waiting for trial. Host james in mississippi calling and giving some context he is finding to the discussion. The hill reporting it is the president of iran saying tehran will increase its level of uranium enrichment in the next few days by whatever amount we feel like and goes on to say our 3. 67. Will no longer be we will put this commitment aside by whatever amount we feel like, whatever amount our knesset desk necessity, our need and we will take this above 3. 67. Prohibited from enriching uranium above that amount, which can be used in Nuclear Power plants. The story adding the move appears to be aimed at bringing World Leaders to negotiate with iran particularly in the face of sanctions imposed by the United States. This is bill in North Carolina, you are next up. Though ahead. I am talking about the immigration problem. Listen. My mother fathers family was from india and my italy and my mothers family was from canada. I hear some of these people on your show. Where in the hell do they think they came from . Back in their family tree, someone came here from another country. Look at donald trump. Host how does that relate to the detention question we are asking people to comment on . Caller i am saying they are complaining about the detention. These people are not animals. They have women drinking out of toilets. My dog does not drink out of a toilet. This is wrong. It is totally wrong. We dont treat people like this, we are americans. Where is their heart . Host some of the photos you have seen that we have shown you if you go to the barman of Homeland Security and the office of Inspector General website, this is part of the report that came out july 2, not only does it describe their concerns from what they saw in the rio grande valley, pictures as well connected to that report. If you want to look at it, that is the website. Charlotte in houston, texas, hi. Caller this blows my mind. President trump claimed it was an emergency how many months ago and democrats said there is no crisis at the border and now all of a sudden there is a crisis at the border. Where were they seven months ago . Why the hell dont they get together and find a way to get these people out of our damn country and stop the ilLegal Immigration . People up north have no clue, no clue at all how this ilLegal Immigration affects the states because they are not subjected to it like we are here in texas and california and arizona. It really permeates your entire way of living and they dont seem to understand that. Democrats are really good with photo ops. They talk about our president , they are grayed with photo ops. They need to shut their mouths and do something. This is the Business Insider taking a look at one of waterfountain units based on comments from alexandria ocasiocortez saying she put out a tweet migrants were held in a poly conditions drinking out of toilets. Combination toilet and drinking sink unit. You can see more of that and ivan in texas, border state resident calling this morning. Good morning. Caller good morning. Host you are on, go ahead. That guy pointed out you all are biased. The illegals down there have better conditions than they do at home. Is next in college park, maryland. Go ahead. Caller thank you for taking my call. I wanted to say i have never heard anyone talk about how these immigrants are native americans. They have more of a right to be here than anyone else. These borders were made by others. From South Carolina. Good morning. Caller good morning. What i want to say is one way to stop this problem immediately okay, is to put our military on this border and dont let anybody cross into our border. I am talking about from california to texas. I am tired of it. You want to shame us. We have done nothing wrong. This is our country and we have a right to say who comes into it and Congress Needs to get their act together. Make it a felony for people to come into this country illegally. I feel sorry for them, but no one else. Thank you very much. Host mary from South Carolina the last call we will take. Coming up we hear from mike davis, the founder and president of a group called the article 3 project. 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I think its an important piece of the puzzle to understand these things. Industryliondollar built on young black men talking about guns, is that rhetoric not relevant to the homicide rate in this country . Watch book tv on cspan two all weekend. Washington journal continues. The this is mike davis, founder and president of the artile iii project, here to talk about his role in his organizations role when it comes to judiciary nominations. What was the genesis of the project . Caller i was working on the Senate Judiciary committee for chairman grassley last congress, and we were hoping the president that helping the president set records on the number of federal judges that the president was appointing. I was not ready to hang up my gloves. I think its too important for the country. So we started the artile iii project to help the president continue that fight from the outside. Host why does he need help from an outside group . Caller it such an important guest it is such an important issue and i think the left is gearing up and fighting back, there are groups like demand justice, aligns for justice, other groups that are alliance for justice, other groups that are fighting the president on his judicial nominations at every step. I think its important to have people out there in the judicial fight. Host is the highlight specifically from the nomination of the Supreme Court justices or all levels . Guest to all levels. We will be ready for the next Supreme Court nomination, whenever that happens, and we are helping with the judicial fight at every level. Records. Dent has set we are at 41 federal circuit judges appointed under President Trump. Thats the most ever for a president. ,e has appointed 125 judges with justices gorsuch and cavanaugh. Another 40 going through the confirmation pipeline at various stages in the process. Thats 165. I would like to see the president appoint at least 200 federal judges by the end of his first term. Host i suppose someone would say that it seems like he is doing ok on his own. Guest maybe. Hes doing a phenomenal job. Hopefully we dont have to fight too hard the artile iii project. Is, of what we are doing you are seeing unprecedented attacks from the left on the nomination process. We want to protect the nominees as they go through the process and make the positive case as they go through, defending these nominees as they are attacked. Something thats not happening is that once the judges go to the bench, they really cant fight back. They are sitting ducks. We want to help defend these judges and justices once theyre on the bench. Weve done that with Justice Cavanaugh, hes teaching a law course at george mason. Other groups have gone after him andhave spent up undergrads faculty members. They are feigning fear that the justice is teaching the course at mason university. But what they are failing to tell people is that he is teaching this course 3600 miles away in england. So the undergrads and faculty members at the Northern Virginia campus can come out of their safe space, knowing that the justice will not get them. Host when it comes to the process of the attacks, what did you learn, or what were the Lessons Learned from your organization and you personally from the cavanaugh process . Guest it was an ugly process. Will sink is the left deaths in order to go after a Supreme Court nominee. Thought his people confirmation process was ugly, just wait until the next one. Bloodbath on be a the next nomination. The artile iii project will be ready. Host he still got on the court. Guest he did. Peoplefortunate that like Justice Cavanaugh, who has been a sitting federal circuit judge for 12 years on the Second Highest Court of the land has seven background investigations by the fbi, they interviewed over 150 people, he clearly had the character and fitness to serve, and suddenly lastminute allegations come in and he is accused of serial gang rape. Me, thating to apparently he ran this ring, and the fbi speaking to 150 people could not get a with of this. Its garbage. Its ugly. And its really unfair to good americans who want to serve. Host and you were personally involved in the nomination process of gust of the justices. Guest i was. I worked for the bush 43 administration, thats how i got to know neil gorsuch, and i clicked for him on the 10th circuit back in 2006 and 2007. I helped him from the outside, because i had experience with a nominations process with the chief justice and Justice Alito and other justices. So i helped Justice Gorsuch from the outside and then i went to work for Chuck Grassley, from iowa. He was the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee and i was fortunate enough to work with him. I opened his mail out of college back in 2001 before joining the bush 43 administration. I was fortunate enough to go back and serve under chairman grassleys leadership. I was the chief counsel for nominations and i help senator grassley and others with confirmations. Is mike davis, you can ask him questions about the judicial nominations, and the concerns he has, you can give us a call for democrats 202 7488000, for republicans 202 7488001, for independents 202 7488002. How was your project funded . Guest we take donations from ,ther 501 c four organizations you can also had to our website and make donations. We are funded from various sources. Host are these coming from conservative organizations . Guest we get funding from conservative organizations and all sources. We are trying to be lean and mean. We are trying to spend money conservatively. You dont need to spend a lot of money to do this. Host you were just formed in may. Guest april or may. I dont recall exactly when the lawyers filed the paperwork but it was a few months ago. Host as far as going forward, whats the strategy . Guest we have already been doing it. You can follow us on twitter at artile iii project on twitter. We want to take our experience working on judicial nominations from the white house and the Justice Department and the nominees perspective with Justice Gorsuch and our time serving with chairman grassley, and we have a good understanding of how the process works. Being able to make a positive case for the nominees, respond to the attacks on the nominees. Defend sitting judges when they are attacked from leftwing groups, and we are trying to defend the process. We have a good understanding of how the process works. Takerats are trying to away this victory from President Trump by saying the process is rigged. Which it isnt. We have a good understanding of how the process works. And how it has worked historically. Want to fight back against what i call the assault on judicial independence. The left is losing badly on the judicial fight. Attack are trying to judicial independence, pushing schemes like Court Packing which was discarded many years ago. It was to pack the Supreme Court with liberal justices, they are looking at impeaching Justice Cavanaugh, which is frankly crazy. And term limits, which are unconstitutional. At the artile iii project we want to punch back against attacks on nominees, sitting judges, and the process. You can find their website online. We have john on the democrats line. Go ahead. Caller hello. Thank you for taking my call. My comment is that we must not do as wenees must not let the president do as he wishes, and his nominees are not welcome. This gentleman is doing he has madean our country worse. And another thing that i wanted to mention is that host before you go far, specifically, when it comes to nominees from the president , what are your concerns . Another thing i wanted to mention are as far as nominations concerned, what do you want our guest to address . My concern is the president , because hes escalating tensions between iran and the United States. Host we will leave it there and go on to mark, on the independent line. Happy thanks pedro, fourth of july. We, who, who is is the artile iii project . We have volunteer lawyers and law students from around the country. And i run the project with volunteers. Caller out of curiosity, dont you think that there should be some crossexamination to dish judicial nominations . Would you nominate warren more to be a judge . Roy moore to be a judge . Guest know. And as per crossexamination we s,ve nomination hearing democrats and republicans have equal time and opportunity to question his nominees. The nominees. They happen every other wednesday, chairman grassley had 30 nominations and hearings our last in the last congress. And chairman Lindsey Graham has already had 10. There are plenty of opportunities to question the nominees publicly. Host from pennsylvania on the republican line, sally. Caller hello mr. Davis. If we want to stop the divisiveness in this nation, and be truly fair, there should be the American Bar Association providing a list. Of the speaker, the leader each party, should put in three names in a hat, or a shell game, take it out on the mall, and with an audience, pick a threeyearold toddler to pick a name out. Because the public could handle nomination by chance, far better, than this partisan way we are doing. We cannot continue to have half this country extremely unhappy. Thank you. Shape that sally. Thats not how the constitution works. It gives the power to the president to nominate, the senate the power to confirm, and its an interesting argument. I dont know if i would turn over the appointment process to an outside organization like the American Bar Association. They have an Important Role in the process and evaluating the nominees but i would not give an outside group power to pick judges. I would give it to elected representatives. President even said heres a list of judges i will pick, they were picked by outside sources, are you ok with that process . Trump candidate Donald Campaign on the fact that he was going to rely on the federal society and the Heritage Foundation to come up with of Supreme Court nominees. The president made that list public. He publicly campaigned on it and the American People elected him. It was a surprise victory for the president , in large part i think it was because of the way he was going to handle the judicial selection process. Host so advising by outside groups you are ok with that. Guest the president is not bound by outside groups. Leaders in theey conservative movements like the federal society and the Heritage Foundation, they have been doing this for a long time. Leonard is a good man and i consider him the god model the godfather of the conservative judicial movement. He has been doing this a long time and he has helped the president pick good judges, including Justice Gorsuch and Justice Cavanaugh and 41 circuit judges so far. Two other judges on the court of federal claims. They are doing a good job. Host what about the performance of the justices . Guest i am biased Justice Gorsuch because i clerked for him. Hes doing phenomenal and so is Justice Cavanaugh. If you look at the end of the first term they came through the present campaigned on appointing justices who interpret and follow the law as written, and not how they wish it were written. They are judges, not senators. If you look at how Justice Gorsuch and Justice Cavanaugh did this last term, the president delivered on his campaign promise. They disagreed on several cases, but the disagreement was about a matter of law. It was not a policy outcome or political outcome. Thats not how judges are supposed to operate and what we saw with Justice Gorsuch and Justice Cavanaugh. Host one of the highlights from this past term, highlighted by bloomberg is when it comes to siding withuch on liberals on four occasions, is that concern you . Guest no one would accuse Justice Gorsuch of being a liberal, he looks at the law. Thats what judges and justices are supposed to do. You have colors talking about how they callers talking about how they wish justices were not political. They follow the law, they have a judicial philosophy. Theres originally some verses intentionalism. You look at what the law said and meant at the time of its enactment and there is an answer. If judges follow that judicial philosophy it depoliticize is the process, making it about the law and how the American People understand that law. It far less likely that judges can put their personal views into their opinions. Read that Justice Gorsuch has a libertarian streak, is that a Fair Assessment . Guest i doubt hes a should not, but it matter what his personal views are. It should matter what the law says. With Justice Gorsuch that is what you are going to get. Justice gorsuch is going to be profirst amendment, prosecond amendment, profourth amendment, whatever the constitution says and what the statute say. Thats his job. Its not his job to be a politician. Host this is mike davis joining us. Here is from walter, from florida, on the democrats line. Caller good morning pete i would like to ask the guest to please comment on whether or not the senate should vote on a possible nominee in the next Election Year . And whether or not Mitch Mcconnell would be fair in the president obamas pick, merrick garland, was treated. I would like to know his thoughts about that, i will take mansur off the air. Thank you. Guest i would say the senate absolutely should confirm a Supreme Court nominee. I think the caller is referring to whats called the biden rule. Its an informal rule in the senate that says that the senate, if the senate is controlled by the opposite party of the president , the senate will wait until after the president ial election to confirm a Supreme Court nominee. To let the American People weigh in on the dispute. In this case with President Trump, the senate is controlled by the president s party and so does not apply. So yes they absolutely should move forward with a Supreme Court nominee. And i think chairman graham says hes going to do that. With the second part about judge garland, i had the late the greatest respect for him. He has done a Great Service by serving on the d. C. Circuit. Its unfortunate that he was caught up in this political fight. Dont think this was about judge garland. I think this was about the Supreme Court seat and i dont think senator i dont think president Hillary Clinton would have nominated a 65yearold man , she would pick somebody younger for the Supreme Court if she had won the presidency. Desire to defend judges, does that go to john roberts as well . Would you defend him if people were to attack him personally . Guest if they attack him personally, i would not want any of these judges to be attacked personally, whether its judge garland or the chief justice or any of these judges. But i think people should be careful about attacking making political attacks on judges. They are not above it are immune from it but people should be cautious about doing it. We are focused on defending the president s judicial nominees. I think with President Trump there has been a lot of hysteria. Think the chief justice will be fine. We will focus on the new judges on the bench. Guest host there was a letter sent to Congress Even continuing into investigations for the ofivities, reading and part the republican majority in the senate initially resisted opening any sort of investigation into the than onen, and less week in 10 witnesses later the fbi produced a report that was not made available to the public and provided no more information than what was already ordered. Warnsam investigation oversight, especially into the terms of the limited scope. Theres more, but what you think about these claims being made by these groups . Guest its interesting that people who do not read the fbi report are calling it a sham. I dont know how they would know that. The fbi interviewed over 160 people covering his life back to childhood. They did several fullfield background investigations. There was not a with of impropriety. Especially related to sexual assault. I think the House Democrats the Senate Democrats learned the should notat you make an unfair attack on a Supreme Court nominee when they lost four incumbents in their last election, which should have been a good year for democrats. Thehould be a good year for other party. And they lost four incumbents. And the republicans picked up two senate seats. At the House Democrats want to go down that similar path for the next election, maybe they can do these investigations and see what happens. Guest host you talked about your process of helping senator worked onhave you these issues directly . Guest no, im a lowly staffer. My job was to advise chairman Chuck Grassley and other republicans in the senate. So no, i dont have the presidency are. This is david, and san francisco, on the independent line. Surprisedm not she that you even have this guy on. Do i understand correctly, they want to choose the judges for america, not just local judges, but federal judges. In this organization, which only started a few months ago, has the to mary to demand that they get the right to choose americas judges . This is athat Citizens United secret funding kind of group or the public doesnt really know who these backers are. When i hear him talking with such intemperance about these democrats and he has the gall to have a tax dodge that will choose judges for america and call them enemies and that of equal citizens . And one last thing, you were talking about gorsuch, hes a pal of gorsuch, i want to know whether his mother, gorsuchs mother, was the head of the epa who was kicked out. And this young judge gorsuch, as he had a hatred for the epa because his mother was chased out in disgrace . Het thats a lot of things threw, so we will let him answer. Guest i dont know about the psychobabble about Justice Gorsuch and his mother so i will not comment on that. But i would say with the article iii project, our job is not to pick the judges. Its to help the judges as they go through the process and defend them, making a positive case for the judicial nominees to defend from the attacks. To defend sitting judges once they get to the bench, to defend the process. Theto fight back against assault on judicial independence. We will be ready for the next Supreme Court fight. Host when it comes to the lower level judges or whenever you decide to jump into the fray, what is the standard, when you get involved . Guest i got involved on several nominees. There have been nominees who, for example, there was a nominee down in texas who was just appointed to the bench. Hes a christian, and there was an attack that because he is christian he must be a bigot and therefore should not be a judge. I think those attacks are ugly. Them, and wegh have done our beds opeds, twitter threads, radio interviews, i tend to stick to radio but we have done tv interviews. We dig in and we look at the records. We dig into the Senate Judiciary questionnaire that each nominee submits and we look at their questions. We go back and review the hearings. We dig in and look into the attacks. If they are unfair we respond. We point out what the facts are and not what the political spin happens to be. Host from george, on the republican line. You. R thank happy almost fourth of july. I think the president should pick whoever he wants, and he can use any advice from any group that he wants. Goes through the process, as long as they are not , as long as its not lies like Justice Cavanaugh and that accuser of his. I did not believe her. She remembers nothing about anything except the one thing. She had one beer. She remembered that. Who remembers how many beers they have at a party . Thats unbelievable. Wants, with any advice he wants to get, let them go through the process, as long as they dont lie. Thats all i have to say. Thank you. Host one of the spinoffs from the cavanaugh hearing was the idea of expanding the Supreme Court beyond nine. What do you think . Back indr tried this 1938. The Supreme Court was striking down his political agenda because it was unconstitutional. It was beyond the federal governments power. So he threatened to practice to pack the Supreme Court and it failed. I think if the democrats tried to push radical schemes like Court Packing, you hear a lot of president ial candidates talking about this, if they push that, i think there will be a backlash. ,here are a lot of people republican, independence, and democrats who think this is a radical scheme. I would say if you want to pick justices you should win elections and nominate candidates for the presidency of the American People think are good candidates, nominate a good candidate and then you can pick the judges. But this Court Packing scheme has been discarded in the past and i think the American People will reject it now. Call from david. In atlanta, georgia. Us havea lot of concerns, not just with trump and his judicial nominees and the resale the reshaping of the court to the conservatives, which this person obviously wants to do. But most of us have concerns about not qualified judges, and the rate at which the judges are deemed to be not qualified by the American Bar Association has increased dramatically under trump. I would specifically like to know his opinion on why a person who isathan kobes, not a judge can be nominated, the guest says that they are all judges and this guy never was, he only tried six cases in his life and they were noncomplex cases. He was obviously not qualified. So why does he deserve to be a judge when he never was a judge before . Also Justice Kagan was not a judge before she was put on the Supreme Court. In aba has an Important Role evaluating the nominees. When its done right its useful. Itsits not done right not useful. Democrats have given the apa veto authorities over the night over the past. The Bar Association tends to skew heavily democrat with their and they evaluate nominees secretly. They will not tell senators who they spoke with. It is supposed to be a leap of faith. Judge steve on the eighth circuit, he was clearly qualified to be a judge. I was in senator grassleys office and it seemed like every nebraskan emailed me about supporting him. Clearly qualified, and very experienced as a lawyer. He had overwhelming support as evidenced by my flooded email inbox. But the American Bar Association said he was not qualified. When they asked when we asked why they would not tell us with whom they spoke. That was an instance where the American Bar Association messed up. The senators have a constitutional duty, they are elected by the citizens of their state and have a constitutional duty to evaluate the nominees and they should not outsource that to the American Bar Association or any other group. The article iii project can be found on their website. Mike davis is the president and founder. Thank you. I wanted to show the results of a recent poll, taking a look at the issue of medicare for all. Heres aere polled, people found. 53 of those polled said they would prefer a medicare for all system. 46 said they would prefer a medicare for all system that diminishes the role of private insurers. And 55 said they would support such a system that diminishes the role of private insurers, but allows you to keep your doctor and hospital. Thats one of the issues of the poll. The topic is medicare for all, which is a big topic as the race heats up. We want your thoughts, do you support or oppose it. If you support it 202 7488000 , if you oppose it 202 7488001. We will take your calls when we come back. 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It highlights Bernie Sanders idea, a Single National Health Insurance program that would cover everyone in the United States in a bill that he introduced in 2017. It pays for every medically necessary service, from routine doctor visits, to mental health, to Prescription Drugs, dental and vision care are part of the package, and the details on longterm care might vary between the senate and house versions but nursing home and related cares grow under the proposal. It would set payment rates for services, drugs, and medical equipment. And a secretary of health and Human Services would clara budget, and spending would be would be declared and spending would be limited. There would be no coinsurance or copayments, two exceptions would be some Prescription Drugs which would be limited to 200 a year. And it would replace all other insurance, with limited exceptions, except with cosmetic surgery. These are the details from senator sanders, he spoke himself about the proposal at one of the recent democratic debates. Heres some of his thinking. The function of health care today, from the insurance and Drug Companies especially, is not to provide quality care for all in a costeffective way. The function of the Health Care System today is to make billions in profit for the Insurance Company. And if you could believe it, well we pay the highest prices in the world for Prescription Drugs last year, and i will lower Prescription Drug prices in half, these Companies Made six to 9 billion in profit. They will spend hundreds of millions of dollars lying to the American People, telling us why we cannot have medicare for all. How dove to followup, you implemented on a National Level given the fact that it is not in other states . I will tell you come i will do it, the way real change has always taken place. Whether was the labor movement, the civil rights movement, or the womens movement. We will have medicare for all when tens of millions of people are prepared to stand up and tell the Insurance Companies and the Drug Companies that this day is done and health care is a human right, not something to make profit on. Ast do you support such proposal or not . You can give us a call if you support it at 202 7488000, if you oppose it you can call us at 202 7488001. This, lives inse ohio. Good morning. Caller good morning. I oppose it because of the principles. How medicares design. Medicare is a payroll deduction that you pay from your use until qualifyage 65 and you for it. It is a prepaid premium. So when you are retirement age or if you are unfortunate and you have a disability, you qualify for that program. National healthcare is something different. Im very confused as to why anybody would call it medicare for all. Do you want to pay a premium for 40 years and then have an Insurance Plan . Minnesota, shen supports the idea of medicare for all. Tired of theo country being ripped off by pharma, and pharma committing this genocide on the 72,000 people a year. This has to stop. We need government run health care. Nothing works well unless the government is involved. Thats just a fact. Money creates corruption. If we dont have government involved it is corrupt. Host what convinces you that the government would do a better job than the Current System. Caller look at where the Current System is. And thereover in debt is such a crisis, nobody can afford it. 6,000 is my premium, i pay 300 a month and on top of that i have a 6,000 deductible. Id i dont even have a job, cant even afford it. Host what convinces you the government will do a better job . Will, of course they they have to pay for everything now. The government is retaining almost all of the medical cost as is. We just have a middleman breaking up all of the prices, the night is the way the country has worked. This is ridiculous. Host lets go to joe, he is in maryland and he opposes. Caller good morning. The issueo say that that i have with medicare for all is that we would have to completely transform the Insurance Industry. And i dont know that our economy can take that. The Insurance Industry has diversified and is a very big part of the gdp. So although i like the idea that health care is a right, i dont know that fiscally we can turn on a dime and give Health Insurance to the public. Im not convinced that the public plan, the public option, can do better. , think what we need is reform not a complete transformation. Maryland,is in russell is on twitter and he says he supports the idea in graduated steps. People who are happy with their policies can keep the men medicare can pay under covered procedures and expenses and slowly phasing out the Insurance Companies until they have a minimal footprint. You can reach us on twitter and on facebook. Next, in baltimore. My commentay today is that we have Certain Office and ind want to know why everyone does not have the same opportunities in the same coverage. We have people in disagreement with this because of their health care coverage. But you have to understand that there are tens of millions of people who do not have coverage. How is it possible that we are the richest country in the world but we are unwilling to help each other when it comes to health, health is a human right, its not a necessity as a human right. Its a necessity. And greed is the reason that people do not have health care. Period. That is my comment. In texas, on the oppose line. Caller i wonder what happens to doctors, do they become Government Employees once they comply with the government . Are they required to see a certain number of patients . What can they dispense as medication . Are they allowed to give you a Knee Replacement when the doctor says no, youre 73 and you dont qualify. Do you know how much i spent in my final six month of life . When do they turn off the switch that you are too costly. And this idea that health care is a right, im sorry, your health care right ends when you reach for my wallet. Health care is not a right. What im willing to do is help people who cannot help themselves. We have plans for that and we can create things Like Health Savings accounts, where the family owns the money and when they dont spend the Health Dollars it rolls over to the next year. And the family keeps it as an asset. You help for families by giving them ownership. You dont make the government in charge because theres no exit strategy. There is no exit strategy with medicare for all. Thats a dangerous direction. Host thats mike, in houston. This is conrad, in pennsylvania, a supporter of this idea. Caller good morning pedro. Its been a long time since ive been able to get on the show, and i certainly want to talk about this topic of medicare for all. I have beenican, life. Emuch 100 of my i was an independent until donald trump came in. I was talking about this subject with many of my friends, because i have been selfemployed almost all of my life in the real estate business. My wife and i have had to pay for our own Health Insurance all of that time. One of the things that i happened to notice was that im also paying Health Insurance for schoolteachers in our area, firemen that are paid, policeman, all of the federal employees, all of the Government Employees, and they dont help me pay for mine. Ive paid my Health Insurance 100 . Said, you all of that support the idea of medicare for all. Caller absolutely. One of the nice things that jenny and i enjoy, was getting on medicare. Which i have been on for 10 years already. The medicare works. It absolutely works. Im also a veteran. So i get veteran benefits. Host do you think if you put everyone on a medicare system it could work efficiently . Caller i think the system works very well. Its only a small percentage of the cost of processing the patients, as it does with the private companies. And we know that Blue Cross Blue Shield owns about 76 of all of the Health Insurance companies in the country, and the rest is divided up amongst the Insurance Companies. Host gotcha, thats conrad in pennsylvania, supporting this idea. Sally pipes is a contributor to Forbes Magazine and she took a look at the british system making comparisons with the british system. Millionearly a quarter patients have been waiting six months, this comes from the Royal College of surgeons, more than 36 thousand have been in treatment cues for nine months. Long waits are endemic to government run singapore systems like the nhs. Yet some lawmakers want to import that model from across the pond. Considering how long it takes to get care at an emergency room. Government data shows that hospitals saw 84. 2 of patients within four hours, well below the goal of treating 95 of patients. Thats a target that nhs has not hit since 2017. It goes on from there. We are getting your thoughts on the idea of medicare for all. Tim, in california, opposes this idea. Caller good morning. My brief comment is that its either is that its utter insanity. I have waited 65 years to get on medicare, which i am on now. Now all of a sudden youre going to put an entire all americans on a Health Care System run by the government. How about the dmv, how is that working, not too good. The best way to go about this is competition. Just like donald trump said. I dont agree with everything he says, but a lot of things he has said i do. And as far as this goes, competition is i think the way to go. Have 22 trillion of debt right now. We have 170 trillion of unfunded liabilities. Where is the money can i come from . If youre going to come up with an idea in our family, you have to tell us how youre going to do it in our family. Its going to break the bank and create long lines. Thats tim, in california. He mentions the president s, who travel to florida to announce his intention to run for another term in 2020. One of the topics he brought up with the idea of medicare for all. Here are those comments. [video clip] more than 120 democrats in congress have also signed up to spport Bernie Sanders socialist government takeover of health care. To be doing too well lately. They want to end medicare as we the it, and terminate private Health Insurance of 180 million americans who love their Health Insurance. America will never be a socialist country. Ever. [chanting usa] republicans dont believe in socialism, we believe in freedom and so do you. We will defend medicare and Social Security for our rate seniors. We will defend it like nobody else. And we will always protect patients with preexisting conditions. Always. Always. Here is christy, in maryland, a supporter of medicare for all. A health care im provider and the founder of the american ash Maryland Progressive Health care coalition. Im supporting this not only maryland Aggressive Health care coalition. I sat in all three congressional hearings we have had. I was actually one of the advocates on the firstever rules committee here. The reason i support this from a Health Care Provider perspective is that i disagree with the gentleman who just called. Competition has done nothing but increased our costs. Medicare does not doesnt excellent job of negotiating medicare does an excellent job of negotiating and lowering prices. We are currently spending a lot of money, 18 of the gdp goes towards this. In other countries they are focusing on Health Care Outcomes and we focus on costs and expense. Thats why i support medicare for all. It covers everyone under one system, to negotiate and lower costs. Icare doesnt actually does an excellent job at this and we should open it to everyone. Host since you say medicare does a good job with the Current System, what happens when you enroll many more people . Does it tax the system beyond what is capable of handling . Caller right now i work at the Emergency Department, what really taxes the system is people showing up without insurance. When you have no insurance and you show up at the Emergency Department, the hospital has to eat the cost and overall cost increased. Under Medicare Fraud there is no uninsured. So folks who feel that Hospital Systems will shut down are actually mistaken. This will lower costs because it will save money with the uninsured, and help with preexisting conditions, we will have the ability to treat illnesses before they start, rather than focusing on disease treatment. We can have disease prevention. Host thats christy, talking about the perspective she brings to the topic. Lucy says medicare for all and traditional medicare, and other says get employers out of Workers Health care decisions. You can post on our facebook callor make comments and for the next two minutes. Joe is in manner in massachusetts and he opposes the idea. Caller good morning. I look at it this way. Anytime government gets involved, theres so much fraud. From the Social Security system, medicare, welfare, there is so much fraud. At least with the Insurance Companies, they are looking into it because they have they are profits. O make 2 for its easy for the government to write a check because they dont care. Just write the check. Its going to be another bureaucracy you have to deal with. They dont do things too well. When you think of social they started adding people onto the system. If they let it left it for the people who retire and put the money into it it would be more confined area but now they have to have everyone on to it who dont deserve it. Its like a ponzi scheme. My father died when he was 61 years old, 11 months. How much did he get from social . Zero. He paid into it for 40 years. How much did my mother get . Zero because she died six months before him. So where does that money go . It did not go to his family. Its a ponzi scheme. When the government gets involved we are in trouble. Another bureaucracy. Host thats joe, in massachusetts. People were talking about senator Amy Klobuchar from minnesota, she was asked about her approach to health care but also how private Insurance Companies are a part of that approach. Here are her comments. [video clip] unconcerned about kicking half of america off of their Health Insurance i am concerned about kicking half of their half of americans off of their Health Insurance. Theres a bigger issue in addition to that, pharmaceuticals. The president went on fox and said heads would spin when they see how much she would bring down pharmaceutical prices. Uptead, 2500 drugs have gone in double digit since he has gaveinto office created he 100 billion in giveaways to the pharma companies. , wethe rest of america called that all foam and no beer. Got nothing. My proposal is to do something with big pharma, to allow negotiation under medicare to bring in less expensive drugs. Medicarese comments on was part of the democratic debate that took place last week. We are taking those comments and the polling that has been done, asking you to give your comments on whether you support or oppose this idea of medicare for all. Ron, in florida, is a supporter. Caller good morning. I would like to address a couple of your callers. The one he had to say that he waited 63 years to get on saidare, and the one who the Pharmacy Companies were Insurance Companies get 2 . Lets talk about a real social program. Its called the v. A. , served four years as a marine and i get a social program for the rest of my life. I did not have to wait 64 years and it works great. I pay eight dollars per prescription. Why isnt the rest of the United States doing the same thing and bartering with these pharmaceutical companies to get the same eight dollars coper coprescription, instead of making billions last year alone. And as far as how much Insurance Companies make, they make 20 profit. That is why they do not want to get out of the business. Pays to take v. A. And run their program. In the v. A. Takes care of me like a king. From our caller in North Carolina. Caller thank you so much for taking my call. , universalnamerican Health Care Works to perfection. Both, universal health care and private insurance. We have to keep that combination here. For those who want to keep paying their high premiums, though ahead. Go ahead. We will not take away your doctors are your insurance premiums. But those who cannot afford these huge premiums, like big families, give them the option of universal health care. What is so difficult about that . Host what is the tax demand for those canadians . Caller my mom died at 93 years of age, she was taken care of with golden gloves, a private room at the hospital, two emergency operations, nurses aide at home, doctors ate at home aide at home. Paid 650 a year in taxes towad universal health care, 650 more for one person. 650 a year and this is no life. , at North Carolina supporter for medicare for all, last call but we will continue with the discussion taking a look at medical issues, something known as surprise medical billing, when you visit the emergency room, gaining interest in congress and joining us here to talk about it is families usas Frederick Isasi. 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Guest it is a serious problem in this country where people who are insured and working hard to make sure their insurance is working for them go to the hospital may be because of an emergency or maybe surgery. They have done their Due Diligence and they get home and a few weeks later a bill says a portion of the care was out of network and they oh thousands of dollars in bills to their providers. Host if a hospital is in network, the doctors in the hospital, can you explain that . Guest Emergency Department, you could go to the Emergency Department within a hospital that is in network, you have checked and the hospital is in network and you get care but none of the doctors providing care in the Emergency Department are in network. Host why not keep it all inhouse as far as the network . It is aundamentally, question about what happens between Insurance Company, the hospital, and the providers within the hospital. What happens is, typically there is a negotiation and the Insurance Company goes to the hospital and says we want you to be in network at a negotiated rate and they go to doctors and say we want you to be in network at a negotiated rate. Sometimes they cannot reach an agreement and in some cases it is a Business Model for the providers not to reach an agreement. When a patient receives care that payment has never been orotiated and that doctor radiologist or laboratory what theyn charge want because they have not agreed to a rate before the patient comes in. Host the patients ability to know these things, whether in network or out of network, how hard is it to find out that information . Guest such an important question and we believe strongly that the last person to answer the question is the patient, the hospital knows who is operating within their facility who has agreed to or not agree to a payment rate. The hospital knows what it has agreed to any Insurance Company knows whether there is an agreement and the patient is the last person to know. We feel strongly with a lot of energy in the hill and the country to say it is unacceptable for a patient to walk in the doors and be held responsible because providers have not reach an agreement with the Insurance Companies. Host one person is lamar alexander, republican, tennessee, what is he proposing . Guest senator alexander and marie are working in it and marie are working and senator murray are working in a bipartisan manager to say when a patient works in the door to an emergency permit, the number one principle as they are held harmless, if they are told it is in network then they pay their in network rate with in Network Cost Sharing and they are done. The second principle is that the outofnetwork provider cannot charge anything they want. There has to be a reasonable payment. That is important to hold the patient harmless and the second piece is that we all pay for the real expensive premiums and we want to make sure they are reasonable. Host if i am a provider or doctor, i am looking at the differently because i am concerned about how much i would get paid. Guest we have to hold that concern because we want to make sure providers are receiving enough of the payment to show up and provide care and there is access. It fundamentally but fundamentally this is stopping us from getting to an agreement and getting this done, the fact that Insurance Companies and doctors could not agree on a payment rate is stopping congress from doing the same thing because there is dispute about what the payment rate should be. We think there is a clear answer. Congress needs to act. They need to pass this law and protect all americans. Lettingdont, they are industry stop them. Host medical bill transparency, surprise medical bill is the topic for our guest. 2027488000 if you live in eastern and central time zone. 2027488001 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones. Each us on twitter at cspanwj what is the answer in your mind . Guest you want to, from an economic standpoint, make the Health Care Provider and the insurer and turn allies the cost internalized the cost by saying, the medium in network rate for providers will be the payment rate which means that there is a negotiation which has occurred in the market. Er doctors have agreed to a payment rate, that is reasonable and we will set the average payment rate the emergency room doctors are getting in the community and what doctors will receive for outofnetwork. Host so Everybody Knows going in what the doctor will receive . Guest yes. There are other approaches but that is probably the most simple. Host one of the people commenting is leif murphy, the head of team health who provide Physician Services and he says bill, is aey to this process called independent you takeesolution, patients out of the reimbursement dispute while incentivizing insurers and providers to an independent thirdparty to reach a fair costeffective and timely resolution to this dispute. Is that similar to what you are proposing . To create ant proposal most likely to be simple and straightforward and result in fair payment. The alternative dispute resolution does not sound quite as simple or straightforward as simply setting the medium in network rate. It is one approach. He is confusing a couple of things, he is saying keep the patient out, we will do that but the question is priced and we say by looking at the median in network rate, a lot of dispute resolution processes some states have adopted use the median in network rate as a benchmark. And we arepproach not opposed to it but we wanted to be simple and fair. What has been finalized with the murrayalexander bill . Do you advocate it . Guest the median in network rate is what they finalized. Host where does support go in the senate . Bipartisan nature as far as creation, what is the likelihood it passes in the house and senate . Guest the senators worked very hard to keep this bipartisan and deserve a lot of credit. The house has been extremely active and got started on this earlier than the senate and have been working hard. There are several bills in the house. There is a real chance with the house acting, that is also bipartisan in the house. A real chance to get it done this year. The technical question about what the payment rate should be should not be stopped stopping the bill. Host the influence of the medical community, they have that on capitol hill, what lobbying efforts are they using . Guest we see the same fight occurring in communities about the country about what should we get paid is at the center of the dispute. Most of the medical societies and Insurance Companies have said that we agree this is not fair to americans or people in this country who get held hostage when we cannot reach an agreement but cannot agree on the payment. In pennsylvania. Go ahead. Frederick,d morning, and thank you for taking my call. Roughly 1. 5e aca years ago after i spoke with you. , when ioticed was that was getting my bills from my doctor, they were giving the bills two months and three months later for different things. I had a friend whose Insurance Company, his wife was in a fire, they were giving him bills, i went to help them with them, they were given bills six months later for his wife. They just added and added to it. He is highlighting how incredibly complicated trying to navigate a Health Care System is. A dynamic he is describing is, provider submit charges, they charge you money but that is never what is paid, you get numberslls with these which are large and Insurance Companies negotiates and the price comes down, some things come off, it could be months, six months, a year, and you figure it out what it costs. An example of how broken our system is. Host the Trump Administration tried to make an effort on medical bill transparency, has it produced results . Transparency,ort that does not solve the surprise billing problem. Some in the house say it is Chris Christie but we want to sure, we want to make you have seen this in the alexandermurray bill, provider directors need to be accurate. Transparency. Of there has been discussion about posting charges for hospitals. One of the things important there is that it is real and actionable. Charges are never real and almost not actionable. Giving inflated charges to give you a better sense of what you will pay is more confusing. Host where is the starting point for the patient when they get a bill . Where do they start to resolve it . Guest if they are insured, contact the insurer because they are negotiating with the provider to set the payment right. If they are not insured, it is should putno viewer their credit card down for health care, they should go and talk to the facility. Every hospital has a program to help people not insured. Work with them. If you work with them, they will lower your price. If you put your credit card down , it is all one debt and you will spin years putting it off. Host some negotiated prices come back to the patient if there are insured, they have to accept what is given and that is it . Guest if they are in network and they will be paying the in network to double that in network deductible. In network to dockable. Deductible. 40 of this country has received some kind of surprise medical bill. Sometimes it is three times, four times, five times over the in network rate. If they receive a bill, talk to the Insurance Company and talk to the provider and start negotiating. Host ray from new hampshire. Hello. Caller hi. Havek at this as, you can a general contractor to work on your house and they give you a price and they are responsible for playing paying the plumber and electrician and painters, same goes for this, not talking emergency room but a routine medical procedure and you go to the doctor and you should be given a price. That price should include what they will need, radiologist,. Nesthesiologist, lab work i should not have to be the one who should find out what rate and how much will they use . Is this person in my network . It is up to the facility to give you a set price and it is up to them to pay all of the people they needed to perform the task. Getting and you are this is what the other caller was talking about about the surprise bills months down the road. I have had that were a simple procedure and next thing you know you get a bill from a lab, how come this was not paid for to to facility i went have a procedure done . Host thanks for the call. Guest i think that is a perfect comment. Economists support what you are saying. As part of the negotiating with the Insurance Company, they have to pay for all laboratory services, we are supportive of that approach. It has gotten more opposition now on the hill because of its more responsibility on hospitals that we think it is a great approach. Aaron. Ashington state, caller good morning. , perhaps theo say answer to making things a little bit cheaper for people is actually a lot less control rather than more control. It seems like people at figured out Insurance Law enough to establish so much control it leaves people confused and kind of being taken as a hostage. What if we were to make more simple laws to give control to the free market which could solve the issues by doing maybe some patent reformation, making it so people cannot make a patent to allow them to take people hostage by their medical conditions. Instead, they should be able to have a legal right, a 10 royalty but make it an open forum. Make what they have patented open to the public to establish their own markets, that way there is competition. Guest thank you for the terrific comment. I think we agree strongly that the problem one of the big problems in this country is real competition in health care. If you look time after time, the Health Care Sector is taking advantage of distortions in the market, loopholes created through federal laws, and Holding People hostage. The perfect example is Prescription Drug prices where the government is given these prescription Drug Companies a patent which they extend and extend and extent. The reason they were given a patent is because they have created a and vegan to help an invention to help us stay healthier but when they extend they create a disincentive to innovate. With Prescription Drugs, we are rewarding smart lawyers and not smart inventors. We need to work hard. Congress needs to get involved and change these laws so Health Care Sector is not abusing their ability to negotiate in that faith or extend patents, or consolidate. , hospitalot now consolidation and prices have gone through the roof because there is no competition. We need to make sure there is a real market and negotiation occurring and we are driving value and not just more and more money. Host how do Governments Services factor into Ambulance Services factor into surprise billing . Guest 50 of ambulance care can be out of network. The mostmost egregious example is air inlets were caused can be 15,000 for a trip. That is a place where the last person who has any control in a moment where you are in a remote part of the country and an air ambulance comes to save your life, you have no way of knowing, we have seen in a lot of states who are trying to control that. Montana did that effectively at talk to the companies and said you need to negotiate a rate, if you dont, we will not use you and make up and companies negotiated a reasonable rate. Host barbara from pittsburgh. Our guest is Frederick Isasi of families usa. Caller i am calling about the insurance. I think that if everybody gets insurance, it would give the public more money by leaving the ultrarich out of the picture. They have already cheated the average working american out of education, hospitalization, care of the elderly, and otherwise cheated them by the cost of trillions of dollars. I believe in having insurance for the people who really need it, not the ones who have cheated the American Public already. That would give us a lot of money to use on the poor people. Feel we at families usa strongly that we are one of the wealthiest countries and in the world and are spending two times or three times as much as health care in other countries for every person living in the other countries know they can get sick and not lose their home. We can do much better as a country. We need to make sure every Single Person in this country has a way to get care and not go bankrupt. Health insurance, medicaid, medicare are important ways to protect people financially. We need to get serious about the ways in hours the waste in our system which is that outcomes, bad outcomes, babies are dying at higher rates and mothers are dying in childbirth at higher rates, more likely for an error while getting care, and the waste leads to horrible outcomes. Host new york, alfonso, go ahead. Caller yes, good morning. I am an out of network dr. P are i am an out of network dr. P are i am i am a out of bework doctor and proud to one. I do not want to sell my soul to the Insurance Company. My patience do better with me being out of network than in network because the majority of the states there is a law that says Insurance Company have 90 days to pay. Depreciation of money over time, by the time you get the money it is worth nothing but the Insurance Companies have created a system where they call you up as an out of Network Doctor and say, here is what i will do, if you take a haircut of whatever percentage, 20 , 25 , we will pay you in seven days. You say, that is great, ok, i will take it. The caveat they add is they will not allow you to allens bill the patient. Balance bill the patient. I look at the numbers and i know what it costs me to show up. Ok . As you said before, to treat the patient, you want to make sure the doctors show up. Ok . You say, yes, i will do it. What happens is, my outofnetwork patients, i have gotten a decent reimbursement i can live with and i have taken a haircut and not and cannot balance bill the patient. Host what is the typical reduction you see from what you initially would expect . Caller 20 . Host thank you. Guest there is a lot to say. First of all, we all hold his concerns together. Want to make sure payments that patients have access. A lot of what he said, the public and policymakers, balance bill is a surprise medical bill. Patients who pay their premiums should be able to say here is my deductible and costsharing and i am done. They should not get bill after bill from providers that are not in network. 80 of the public agree. That is not a fair system. You have to go back and bill your patient again for services they paid Insurance Company premiums soar. For. We need to have an honest conversation about how much providers are getting paid, they should get paid reasonably and are rewarded for hard work and performance. We know that doctors in this country are making two times and three times more than doctors in other parts of the world and they may be taking a 20 reduction outofnetwork but you are looking at much more like 50 , one hundred percent, in some cases a 600 increase for doctors. Pictures a different than he described. Host who determines reasonably . Guest the previous caller talked about competition and that is what we are talking about. The median in network rate, use that and you have negotiated. , they negotiate with Insurance Companies and came to an agreement on a payment. Some will pay more and some less. But there is a median rate. That is injecting competition into the price. As opposed to where there may be only a couple of anesthesiologists and they hold out and can charge what they want, that is monopolistic prices and the opposite of free market. Host samuel in georgia. Caller i would like to make a statement. My wife, i took her to the emergency room and about three weeks later i got a bill from my doctor, unknown, when i challenged the hospital and the staff, no one was aware of who he was. Dowas kind of a catch on ctor. He was signed on to get money and so i sued, they dropped the case. That is a great example of how crazy the system is. The doctor was not involved in his care but there was an addon to the bill, if you do not notice you will pay it. Host the house ways and Means Committee in may held a hearing on this topic of Surprise Medical Bills and if you want to see it, if you do not have the time for later today, we will air it at 3 15 this afternoon or go to her website at cspan. Org and type in the topic and that and other information we have on this topic will show up. Karen from oregon will be the last caller. Caller thank you for taking my call today, i love cspan. I wanted to point out in canada they have a flight system where, if you are a senior, you have a lower score and if youre looking to get an mri, you cannot get them as quick as you can if you are young. In britain they were debating in parliament their Health Care System and the fact that average people were waiting longer than the government. With veteran care in the u. S. , that was a big scandal where people were dying. I do not believe government is the answer but the problem. There does need to be balance between the rich taking advantage of the poor, i heard the comment about rich people taking advantage. But there needs to be balance and government is not the answer. We will have more patience to cover, the pay will be really high, you cannot fire them. All kinds of problems with government getting involved. They take your money and donated to the Democrat Party which i am not a party to. Thank you for taking my comment. And tove in government be properly governed, you must trust those who govern you. Guest what i would say is that, first and foremost, what we have in this country with health care , it is what we see, is that they are abusing the laws that have been written. Iserfect example of that Prescription Drugs. We are in a situation where Drug Companies are escalating their prices so fast because they are not inventing, more of them are generic. They are not making the kind of money they used to, so they are raising the price. They are abusing the laws and raising prices. What we should say is we have to get involved and make it a fair situation for the American People. I would say that we believe government should be looking at how the Health Care Sector and making sure that they are putting highvalue care. And that it is not just more money and poor outcomes. I think it is important to point out in a lot of these countries we are that she were describing, they fight against the rationing of care of who should and should not take care based on age or any democratic, that is demographic. If you go bankrupt because you cannot afford health care, that is a form of rationing. We have to create a system that is fair, more efficient and make sure every single being has the ability to live a healthy life. The executivek is director, thank you. Coming up, a discussion taking a look at research on improving improving the management of public lands. We will be joined by megan hansen. You will have that conversation next. I am a cold war historian and a historian of con communism. Friends emailed me and said why do you want to cap tackle this issue, you are jumping into the culture war. Author and professional and professor, paul kengor will be our guest. His latest book is the divine plan. Other titles include take crusader. The as well as books about the george w. Lives of bush and Hillary Clinton. Live sundaypth from noon until 2 00 p. M. Eastern. Sure to watch indepth month with lee edwards. Watch book tv every weekend on cspan2. Washington journal continues. Host megan hansen joins us from salt lake city, the Research Director for the center of growth and opportunity to talk about the management of public lands. Guest good morning, thank you for having me. Host tell us about your organization. Guest the center for growth and opportunity is a universitybased Research Center located on utah state in northern utah. I live in on of the most beautiful places in the country surrounded by adderall land. They are a huge topic in utah and across the west. They are one of many of the issues that we study. We are interested in doing research that can help inform better Public Policy and improve request. Host when it comes to management, what is the approach of the aderholt government federal government . Guest we have focused on the Antiquities Act, a law over 100 years old and passed to allow the president to set aside areas of federal land for permanent protection. They are set aside to protect their scenic and historic importance. The most beautiful places like arches National Park and zion were originally protected through the Antiquities Act. I wanted to understand why do the laws that have allowed for the protection of these beautiful areas that we love, also created so much controversy and conflict. How would you host how would you answer that question . Aest the root cause is that that it gives no clear limits. The president can designate any area as a National Monument, we have seen recently in the rsntroversy over bears ea National Monument. In 2016, president obama designated it, named for a pair of twin buttes. A lot of local people were upset, they felt like they had not been adequately consulted and they had a lot of uncertainty about how they would be able to use these lands for things like hunting, grazing, and recreation. A year later, in 2017, President Trump decided to reduce the size from its 1. 3 million acres to just over 200,000 acres. When that reduction happened, once again there was a lot of controversy. A lot of local people saying i thought this area would be protect did, and once again we saw that unilateral power and the ability to establish monuments and to change them created a a lot of controversy. Host what is the typical justification of a president to expand the amount protected or decrease it . Guest it depends on the president. President s throughout history have used it to establish monuments or decrease the size. The justification is that these areas may be need to be expanded adequately protect the objects of significance on those lands, or reduced because the area is too large. Does say thees act smallest area competitor compatible, but does not provide real guidance on what that means. Theres been a lot of ability for president s to determine for themselves what they think that means. Host if the president decides to make these steps, is he required to consult with members of his administration or with congress, or the state itself and making these decisions . Guest that is one of the key problems, there is no requirement of consultation with congress or with local stakeholders. That is one of the recommendations that we make, some kind of requirement for consultation with congress or with local state holders would help achieve more cooperative management and reduce controversy. Host if you want to ask her landions about federal management and the approach that the president takes and what should be done you can call us. On the eastern and central time zones, 2027488000. Those of you in the mountain and pacific time zones, 2027488001. One of those efforts in reforming the Antiquities Act, you said more consultation is needed and that should be written into law. Can you expand on that . Tost one option would be require consultation with local leaders such as the state governor in the relative state. Another option would be to require notice and Comment Period. We already require a notice and Comment Period where the public can comment and provide their input about the local area and the likely impact of a monument designation. It would give experts who might have good knowledge and the ability to help us better manage these areas. It would give us opportunity to learn before we decide how we will manage the areas. Host if i must state and i want access to the state for mining rights, these kind of decisions help or hinder those causes. As a state, how much access when they get if the president decided to expand . Does that mean it closes them to mining and other efforts . Guest not necessarily. It is important to remember that we are not talking about taking federal land and turning them into private land. We are talking about land already federal and changing the way that they manage. They remain federal land. A Monument Management plan can change the way the area is managed and restrict things like Mineral Development and recreation can be district can be restricted. It depends on the plan put in place. Host the into kittys act was signed into law in 1906. The Antiquities Act was signed into law in 1906, why hasnt it been looked into . Guest it is an old law. There have been discussions about reforming it, but there have not been any major reforms. There have been some reforms that are state specific, so wyoming and alaska are exempt from the Antiquities Act, meaning congressional approval would need to be gotten. Beside those changes, we have not gotten a lot of consensus on how to reform the law. A big reason is that the laws terms are vague. I mentioned the law says that the smallest area compatible with management should be designated, but there is a a lot of disagreement about what that term means and it is up for interpretation. There has also been a lot of lawsuits and litigation that has resulted from this controversy. Courts have generally deferred to congress and said, we are deferred to the president and said we will allow the president to decide what the terms mean and we will not overturn his decisions. The acten it comes to of preserving these lands, is . Here a standard heres something of historical arecientific importance, there standards to define those . Guest there is not. That is part of the problem. What is an object that has historic significance. That is up to the interpretation of the president and what he determines is worthy of protection. Host there is a viewer who says get the federal government out of the real estate business, return the land to the states. Is there a good and bad to that argument . Guest that is a great point. A lot of debate goes on about whether they should remain federal. Personally i enjoy spending time on federal land. I believe some of them are absolutely worth protecting and keeping federal. The question is whether the Current System is the best way to manage them and if we want to allow one person who makes these decisions. Host let us hear from lynn in california. You are on. Go ahead. Caller hello. , was in the National Forest and the Land Management is just saysor, the Forest Service they do not have money. People do not stay in their jobs for very long. They rotate people in and out of the office quickly, and are forests are just deteriorating. It just seems like if you try to do anything on federal land and there is lawsuits and people are always suing each other. Indian National Forest was writing a new forest plan that was supposed to be completed in 2016, it is now 2019 and is still not done. Just the amount of wasted money is so hard to watch as we watch nothing get done. Ms. Hansen. Guest you bring up a great point. Like i mentioned, i get to spend a lot of time on federal land and i am very grateful for that. I have also noticed these problems, we have a lot of buildup of flammable materials, which creates concerns about wildfires. A big problem, and something that i found is that it tends to be more politically popular to designate new land and to acquire new land rather than to spend resources taking care of the land that we already have. We have a huge maintenance backlog. Byot could be improved really focusing more on maintaining the land that we do have and making sure we preserve it for future generations rather than continuing to acquire more. Host wyoming, mike joins us. Hello, good morning. Caller good morning. The biggest problem i can see and a lot of western states is that there is a lot of it. The question is . Caller i want to know how long they are landlocked and the people that they landlocked them, they will not let you into public land that our tax dollars pay for, yet they can use it. Guest that is a great question. You are right that federal land makes up a huge proportion of our total land in the west. Over half of our land is owned by the federal government and it makes me think of the story of the San Juan County commissioner concerns withsed these large designations. He talked about his county, only 8 is made up of private land. When these designations are made and a unit around unilateral decisions are being made, it restricts that areas ability to develop their local economy and for the citizens to have certainty. Host as far as legislative efforts, have there been any to make changes or things that you think the improvements to the act . Guest recently there have been efforts to exempt utah from the Antiquities Act just like wyoming and alaska, and those have not made a ton of headway. Thannk more promising state specific exemptions would be broader and clearer limits on the president s decisionmaking authorities. That might look like me requiring congressional appraisal approval or consultation with local stakeholders. Host tom from california. Hello. Caller good morning. I would like to talk about something that happened under the last administration. Under the grounds of wild horses. They looked for uranium all over the place of our federal lands and sold it to the russians. As a tribal member on some of a schemeds, it was against the American Public to look for uranium and sell it to russia. Happens, like the National Park systems that have been set up. The tribal members that have tribal treaties, you have stolen the man the land like with bears ear. It is incredible what happens, it is a genocide against the native people. The reservations should be marked like the National Parks are marked. So people know how big they are. T that is tom from pat from california, go ahead. Guest you bring up a points. The issue of wild horses. We talked about wildfires. There are a lot of issues that make them complicated. And i think that should should just even more strongly that these are issues and we need more than one person making these sweeping decisions about how they will be manage. The impactlked about on native american tribes, and that has been an issue. I think it just goes to show that parties on both sides of the aisle, whether you are for or against monuments, he would benefit from having this certainty and clear knowledge about the checks and limits on the president s ability to designate, alter, or get rid of monuments. Host when it comes to the efforts to stop the president , where does the role of civil laws come in . Are they effective . Guest i am not sure about that. I know from all of the litigation i have reviewed, we have not seen progress or clarity come out of those. I am more optimistic about legislative changes that would enact clear checks and balances on the president s power. Host new jersey, this is peter. Caller hello. Thank you for taking my call. I would like to know the mission of your organization. It seems very suspicious, it is called the center for growth and opportunity. Has become so polluted,ped, and so and you are so concerned about management of public land. I would just like to know the mission of your organization. I feel like you maybe have some all terrier motives and reppert rior motives and represent some corporation. Host the colors gone. Go ahead. The caller is don. Go ahead. To conductmission is research on policy relevant areas. As researchers we are free to find the questions most worth pursuing, and we do that by thinking about what areas impact peoples lives. That is why we have identified the Antiquities Act as one of these areas. Policy,at immigration and how regulatory impacts technology. This is one of the issues. Host his claim that the lands are developed, is that something you agree with . Guest i do not inc. That is an accurate portrayal. It depends on the land that it is to that you are talking about. There are so many different landscapes and all being used for different purposes. Energye being used for development and others are preserved for recreation or as wilderness for conservation of wildlife. I think that is a good thing. They are varied and we should useful for what is the American People. We should definitely preserve them. Sonia, froms florida. Caller my question is, we just had a situation where a aerial ground, a large africanamerican burial ground, the graves have been relocated. On Housing Project was put top of the gravesite. Does the Antiquities Act affect burial grounds, and how will you protect future landmarks, gravesites from being developed on top of without proper assurance that the graves have been locate relocated . Guest i think that is a great concern you bring up and it shows how complex the issue is. I am not an expert as how these burial grounds are treated. Your point brings up the idea that we should have a consultation with local stakeholders. In this case, consultation should happen with those who know the area and are familiar with the burial grounds and know the best way to protect them. Host i cannot show you the full somebody here is there is one that is called time to move the bureau of Land Management out of washington, d. C. Toohere a sense that it is d. C. Centric and there is not enough outreach to the areas directly affected . Guest absolutely. I think it is a huge problem that most of the People Living in making these decisions are located thousands of miles away. They have never visited the area. I have been getting i think getting managers closer to that land they are managing is a great idea. Host dug, in arizona. Caller good morning. I am a gold cross get prospector in tucson, and i prospect in the santa rita mountains. For years we have been able to get to the global to the gold claims. All of a sudden we cannot get to 60 of them because a federal land cited that they have it offate cordined and put fencing around it, thousands of feet of it, hundreds of miles. Lease the land for their cattle, but they have been doing it for years, and everybody has been getting along fine. About five years ago, i went up there and i could not get in. The ranchers were given the keys to get through these monstrous padlocks and chains, but nobody else can have them. Claimsfederal mining that i have to pay money for every year, and i have not been on them in years. What do i do . You, i wish i could tell but it shows once shows us how complex these regimes are and how much they act local people. Alsonk your story illustrates this problem with uncertainty. When these decisions are being made centrally, local people who use the land and may have been using it for a long time leaves them in the dark about how they will be impacted and how their lives will change because the manager decided to put up a fence or change access. Access to public land is another key issue. Host this is bob, from illinois. Guest good caller good morning, i grew up in alaska. I am 73 years old. I am concerned about something ist i have considered and it not precisely what you are addressing, it hinges on it. Mckinley,with mount and then one morning a couple of. Ears back i woke up to denali 1972 native land claims act development, there were comments about keeping things named that the way that they were originally when statehood took place. What happened . Can you explain it . Not an expert on how those naming convictions conventions happened. Your story speaks to the idea of Central Management of federal land and managers coming in and changing the way that things are managed, often without the input of local people. Host from kathy, in colorado. In morning. Caller good morning. About theng to ask speaker and her growth for opportunity organization. I understand that it is a cofunded Nonprofit Research group. I am in the Huntsman School of business and they received 25 million pledge from the Charles Koch Foundation recently. Guest thank you. We do receive money from the Charles Koch Foundation among a variety of donors and individuals. We are thankful for their support, they allow us to do the research that we do. Our research is independent from our funding. I get to focus on the questions that are most meaningful and have the most potential to help Public Policy and i am thankful for the donations. Host you are part of the Huntsman School of business. Governor huntsman, what is his influence on the topic of Land Management . Guest he does not have any real formal interaction with the center. The huntsman Business Schools name after him and he has is named after him. We are completely independent, and we are lucky to be affiliated with utah state. Host if you do not see a legislative change, what other significant changes could you see or what avenues could be explored if legislatively, nothing will happen. Having localk that people get involved and voice their concerns is a good way to help drive change, even if we do not see it now. I think it is important for local people to speak up and talk about how they are affected. Is our guest, megan hansen with the center of group growth and opportunity, talking about federal Land Management. When did this become a concern . When did you start paying attention to this . Guest this has been a concern throughout the history of the Antiquities Act, when the law was passed there was a lot of discussions that were concerned that the law may be used to designate large areas. Sponsoring said no, it is going to be used for the smallest area compatible. Throughout history we have seen many monuments designated, almost two dozen that are over one million acres in size. It has been a concern throughout history, and perhaps it is becoming more controversial and visible right now tanks to social media, the internet and the people the ability for people to voice their concerns. Host a viewer from utah, mark. Hello. Caller hello. Is, i retired about three or four years ago. I have seen incredible increase in tourist and traffic coming in. I have not seen the Land Management, they are great people but not enough of them. How are they going to staff that so there is adequate coverage . I think it is about Creative Partnerships between the federal government and private entities to help out their Land Management. Thank you. Guest great question. I think you bring up a good point, which is that, as we talked about it is more popular to designate than to take care of the lands. We have a huge maintenance backlog and establishing a National Monument will not do enough to preserve these areas, especially if more tourists are thered they may not may not be facilities or staff in place. You bring up a great solution, it is a public and private partnership. The Forest Service has used these to manage its recreation areas that would be a great option. ,ost the website groupopportunity. Org. Megan hansen serves as the Research Director. We thank you for your time. Guest thank you. Host that is it for the program. Tomorrows program will come to you at 7 00, you can watch the salute to america starting at 6 00 on our network. We thank you for watching and we will see you tomorrow. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] join us live later today for more road to the White House Program with senator kamala harris. 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