Race. Recent from a clear trump the advantage to no clear leader plus donald trump caught between a rock and a hard place. His track record on abortion, he would veto but abortion ban that was sent to your desk well, what's happening is you're never going to have to do it. And voters support for fertility treatments. I kept hearing that i'm against it and i'm actually very much forward. And triggers conservative theory in the process. And what she left unsaid same old, tired playbook. Next question harris declines to enter the chat why she's ignoring the debate over trump, race, and gender live at the table. Nayyera huck mike dubke chuck rocha and shermichael singleton. Welcome to a special edition of newsnight, state of the race good evening. I'm audie cornish in new york. Abby phillip has the night off, so let's get right to what america is talking about. Where exactly does donald trump stand on abortion? the answer would depend on whether you asked him yesterday or today for example, right now, his home state, florida, has a sixweek abortion ban last night, he was asked about a ballot measure that would amend the law and give women up to 24 weeks to make that decision. Here's how he answered so you'll vote in favor of the amendment. I'm voting that i am going to be voting, that we need more than six weeks the backlash from antiabortion activists was immediate conservative radio host erick erickson, for example. I have never, and i will never vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights donald trump came very close to sounding like he does yesterday and if he loses in november yesterday, august 29 in the year of our lord, 2024 will be the day he lost. If he doesn't do some damage control pretty quickly so message received, trump's answer to the same question a day later, a bit more nuanced are you voting yes or no on amendment four in florida? so i think six weeks you need more time. Six weeks. I've disagreed with that right from the early primary here's what i heard about it. I disagreed with it at the same time, the democrats are radical because the nine months is just a ridiculous situation that where you can do an abortion and then the ninth month and some of the states like minnesota and other states have it where you could actually execute the baby after birth. And all of that stuff is so i'll be voting no for that reason there is no state were executing a baby after birth is legal the harriswalz campaign released a statement tonight, making it clear that they believe his final answer is the one there'll be campaigning on saying in part, donald trump just made his position on abortion very clear. He will vote to uphold an abortion ban. So extreme, it applies before many women even know they are pregnant. So we are here with our panel to talk about this discussion. So mike, i want to talk to you because obviously you've worked with the trump white house you were there at the time when they had really solidified support from the antiabortion activists movement that the backs of that movement. So do you see a shift? do i see a shift in the president's position? know this has never been a this has never been an issue that he has wanted to discuss outside really outside of talking about the three supreme court justices that he appointed, my issue with this frankly, from right now, and i think the reason we're talking about it tonight is because there for are these perceived shifts in in his answer. And the enthusiasm on this issue is shifted from the prolife to the prochoice movement because of the decision on overturning roe my advice to any political candidate on this is pick your position and stick to it the winds are going to have here's where it gets complicated, because trump and vance have backed down on the national abortion ban idea, a crackdown on abortion pills and restrictions on ivf. So i know you want to jump in here. Give me a sense of how this could be perceived, how to talk about, because you're, you're working with a lot of congressional lawmakers who are trying to win some race. It reminded me of what my granddaddy was teaching me how to do efficient, not when i was a little boy. There's a lot of twists and a turns and the reason that is is because this is their achilles heel, because, because of what donald trump did with the supreme court and because people know that women been a really bad and there's one thing i know was a 55yearold man. You don't want to get mad with a bunch of women because they're going to vote and show up. And that's what they've been doing. Yeah you say you but you just got married, so i know that these are lessons you just taken on board chair michael for you, you're often the person who says like, look, this isn't exactly what he's saying. His positions have in a way, always been moderate. Maybe this is a return to the mean for him. I mean, look, i think the former president has never had a clear and decisive thought process on abortion. Well he might supreme court justices, they will. Yeah, i think that's a bit, i think politics. My justices i understand that, but i don't think in ideological philosophical beliefs he is of the mindset that i'm either pro, or pro life rather a prochoice. I don't know if he thinks about it in those terms. With that said, i do think the prolife community has to recognize that the political tides was shifting on this particular issue from abortion rights to ivf. There are some that did not like his response on that issue. I think that's a bit problematic it's not enough to win elections if you're turning off a sizable percent of voters who may agree with you on economics, on immigration, on foreign policy. But this one particular issue you've crystallized that support for the other side. That's just not good electoral let the man talk about this omar. I will say that the majority of the american public consistently since roe v. Wade was passed has supported the right to an abortion. Now, what has been represented at the state level has a certain side of the american population that maybe wasn't so hyper partisan and focused on this one issue, perhaps was asleep if at the wheel for some time that can be argued, but in terms of the actual politics of this general mass consensus, as abortion, as health care, it has been welcomed. Or we can say it this way. We've got a poll here, then nodes who, who voters think would be better to handle the issue and of course that is to harris, 55% of 38% quinnipiac also asked about whether or not it was extremely important in the choice for president among likely voters always like to underscore that and for democrats, of course, 53%, but independents, 27%. Is that what abortion rights activists are counting on? they are counting on women who have not been participating in the same rate potentially has previously the majority of the american public right now is unaffiliated. So they're not part, they don't identify along partisan lines, but they identify on issues and abortion as health care is turning out not just suburban women, but their spouses. The challenges that they're facing in the doctor's office, the fact that something as miraculous as ivf is now potentially on the chopping block as being illegal. Waltz discussion and second guessing his resume and like you to jump in here, does that distract from the numbers you asked that because that gets to the idea of if somebody slips on one letter in a medical term, suddenly everything they're saying about that as wrong a man standing up there and talking about fertility in the family is a very important conversation for americans to hear this is about strike is one of the big shifts culturally, mike. Yeah. Well, i was just going to say going back to ivf, we're not talking about is the policy position that the trump campaign took yesterday or the day before in terms of funding, ivf which was wild, which was to say, i'm going to write like the government traditionally conservative but i think it's a tacit recognition by the campaign that they need to get an, they need to wrap their arms around this issue because i'm sure michael said it's not a sincere belief and to have like, health care and report productive rights for women's bodies not be a sincerely held belief is a problem that is definitely not what i said. I said i said the former in terms of philosophe family's issue, i don't think it's rooted exactly. That means he doesn't have a philosophical belief about whether or not women play devil's advocate here, there's another way that someone might interpret that, which is, well, maybe i don't need to worry so much about what donald trump is going to do on abortion because we all know he's not it's not that big a deal this is why you see this. You see people acting abnormally. Beth, let me promise you one thing in a campaign is they're just out there saying things every now and then donald trump will. That's why a lot of people hate him and loved him, but caused the polling says this in every wray said, i'm working in across the country. It's one of the top three issues, but also donald trump knows he has to have his base to, and has to have a lot of new people show up as well. But this avy or another's is a big deal and a big issue. Obviously, quite surprised that you're saying it's one of the top three issues because i've now every single race i i i am flabbergasted by that because the polling that i've seen i check you, but they have a graphic, so i have to show what it's my duty, it's as issues most important to voters. And this this is from late august quinnipiac, but abortion, while high, it's not the top. Let me factcheck you own this. In fact, check all right? friday night when easily go look at every campaign is being run right now online of what the tv ads are in every single congressional district in america, the abortion at is the hearing. Every democrat is running an issue on abortion that doesn't mean it's one of the top three issues that wouldn't be running if it wasn't working certainly what you're voting for is different than what the vulnerability isn't about public and side it's a negative campaign. Lawyers point, we if we can put that graphic up again, number three is scotus. And i have to think abortion also has to do with that. And why is trump running away from his own record and his own no i really want to hear this when i run away from what was a success for the antiabortion movement, it was a success. Is it enough to move voters in the medal over the economy, over immigration? i'm not convinced that, yeah, it excites democrats. I would agree with you on that point. I think voters in pennsylvania are not going to be moved by reproductive they have rights. But we know where they are because doug mastriano really basically no, doug mastriano was not a good candidate though. He talked about we had a better candidate. We probably would have performed better in that race correctly, right? i mean, he was a won almost a one issue candidate. Was that and that's generally one issue candidates do not perform or two election cycles, we've used this as a motivational factor for election cycle i've done this for years and i've seen the republicans do it on the other side pretty well as well like this is something that both parties have fought against what proceed totally concede that the enthusiasm on this issue after jang of roe is on the prochoice on the democrats side for this issues known as backlash man telling me, yeah. Yeah. But yeah. It does win back their potentially over why you have activists who are trying to put these constitutional amendment on these state constitutional on the ballot does undermine their effort. If the guy who said leave it to the states can't answer a question about his own state. This is a comms question i think he has to my preferred way if she what i said at the very beginning, pick up position and stick to it because the voters are going to respect your your values on this position and much more so than going back and forth and back and whether you were for fracking against fracking, you know, that kind of thing. Well, like i'm prolife and when we say that, i think we need to be clear on what that means. And a lot of people look at republicans and it's okay, you antiabortion. So if someone has a child, are you going to support policies to help that individual take care of the child? what does that partnership look? like? and we need to roll that out as conservatives to say, we will be with you if you're struggling to have a child does not affect not sure. We haven't necessarily done that and we knew that that would be a wonderful prolife and pro family policy. It is not what we've seen the republican party do in congress. And in fact, the ability to even, it went to the senate and j. D. Vance voted down the idea of making ivf something that was accessible to most people remember at the tiny arguments there from senators was we don't need to do this because it's not actually in jeopardy, but i understand as a message vote, it was a difficult one. Please stay with us because we're going to talk about some other issues because we are in the final stretch of the 2024 campaign new polling shows that it's still anyone's race, and we're gonna have a special guests will join us in our fifth seats. Discuss, stay with us harris, donald trump, the debate, everyone's been waiting for follows cnn for complete coverage and exclusive pre and postdebate analysis. A cnn special event. B, abc news presidential debate simulcast september 10 at nine on cnn and streaming on max, the tv moments that took culturure over thehe edge. 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Oo this is a good book title. Hearthealthy rush to walmart and find total bce this is cnn the world's news network. Labor day marks, the time when the election marathon turns into a sprint and the country enters this last part of the story, far from decided new polling this week shows the contest between donald trump and kamala harris has no clear leader joining us now in our fifth seed is national political reporter jessica washington now, jessica kamala harris has momentum. We can say at least compared to what joe biden had can you talk about what's going on in terms of like where the campaign is focusing its time yeah. So the campaign i think is clearly trying to they're trying to keep this enthusiasm going. We saw in this new polling that the enthusiasm is high for kamala harris. So i think what that convention they're trying to do when we say that, do we mean high within the groups where biden was soft because that was the concern, right yeah. We are seeing that she is doing better with groups that have been softening on biden, i think particularly black voters. There are, and with women, she has done been performing even better. I mean, across multiple different groups, she has been performing much stronger than biden, i think with younger voters, we are going to have to see if this new pivot to the center ends up impacting some of that enthusiasm down the line for sure. Before i want to jump in on that what do you count as pivot to the center? i think everyone here would be able to comment on that. Yeah. I mean, i definitely think, you know, when we're seeing the way she's talked about immigration really highlighting border security over some of the ways that democrats have talked about immigration before in previous convention that would i heard you guys mentioned fracking. I think that's an obvious sign. There just kind of multiple different ways you can see. I think highlighting her record as a prosecutor, it's a big way that we can talk about this too. I think in 2020 in particular, we saw her have to run away from that a little bit. Try and avoid these kamala is a cop kind of things that have come out after her. So i do think we're seeing a pivot to the center and whether or not that ends up hurting some of this enthusiasm that she's clearly gained with young voters. I think we have to wait and see if there's a great thing about campaigns and that there's a finish line and everything that you need to know about a campaign is that there's one thing you can never get back and that is time in this labor day, that means ballots are going out in the western states in like 30 days. It's a race where they go say that mailin ballots available, let's see, north carolina, september 6 wisconsin september 19, michigan september 26, georgia at least gives us all the way to october 7 when they traveled to watch, are they traveled to because it's too late for anything cute or head nod or fakeout where they go was where their polling says they should be going before i pivot, then what do you consider something cute? go into florida. Okay. Something cute trying to run away from what you've already been. And i would say that for her, she has always been a prosecutor, leaning into i'm going to prosecute the case for reproductive rights works very well for her in this moment. What works less well? she was never going to get the combo, the cop people anyway, right? they might have stayed home, they might have gone some odd third party and i do think there'd parties are a concern, but she needs to not get led by trump or fall into a frame that the republicans are pulling for her. And continue to just talk directly to the american people. Wait, wait, wait. What you one other thing is when we said emotionally harris viewed as more levelheaded mentally fit, we're looking at polling from quinnipiac about how they are comparing candidates in terms of qualities, leadership, whether they care about you she is close the gaps in a lot of ways vulnerabilities for him. So i'm going to go back to what we are talking about this, know this well i'm just going to be about it's going to be about fracking because this is, this is a senator who is voting to the left of bernie sanders when she was office she ran in 2019. She was against fracking medicare for all decriminalizing the border. Now, all of those positions have shifted on her. When you ask if she's going to the center. Heck, yeah, she's running to the center. But will it last? this is where i really want the trump administration to do two things. One, the trump campaign, talk about bidenharris, all the time. And then talk about her record. The record that she had for years and years and years that in the last 40 days that she's been on the national stage, has somehow evaporated and shifted, and it's about him literally well hold on one. Minute, okay vulnerabilities is what i'm asking. Where's trump vulnerable right now, i'm going to throw that one to me didn't necessarily look. I think what what's cute not able to stay disciplined can become a very serious problem for him. I think mike was right about i'm trying to find a message on the reproductive issue that somewhat mainstream without isolating are turning off evangelicals. They need to figure that out, but he's incredibly strong on the economy duration foreign policy, but he's got to throw a head nod because we know this in campaign land, right? all of a sudden someone's in a state and you're like, why are they there was something that doesn't make sense that's why worried about lost in 2016. She was a democrat. I agree. So for trump, what could that be? what's a vulnerability? keep talking about how i won more votes in california. I mean, why are we talking? california's a terrible that's going to go for harris, but also ran bernie sanders campaign cal problem wondering is time that's fascinating. Me is being at the moms for liberty speech event tonight. He was on a couch that's all i'm awkward, but that's a group of people may remember it as part of the post pandemic antiwoke, anti dni de indoctrination kind of school movement. But when i see it, i think women in the suburbs what did that mean anything to you seeing him trying to kind of campaign? work with that constituency yeah. I mean, trump has a major vulnerability with women. I think that's clear. It was clear even before he was running against a woman who's incredibly popular and not encourage popular among women, definitely compared to drum. So obviously this is a group that he's going to try and cater to now, i think the vulnerable for trump if we want to put in that way is that these kinds of groups are considered by many voters, by many people, united states, as quote unquote weird this phrase that we keep seeing tossed out time and time again, that case because of book bans, because these book bans, he's kinds of things that are not generally popular with all americans that are considered kind of fringe. And obviously there are people who are pushing you his issues very intensely who care about this very intensely. Their loud, they're out there and it can seem as if it's more popular than it is. But i think a lot of americans find this strange yes. It's a moms group that he was able to get access to, but they are very extreme and their positions and policies, i'm a suburban mother. This is not typically what people think or look like, but diversity it's all changing in suburbia, millennial moms, that's right famous in part because they ran for office and were successful being on school boards, et cetera. And that i think is where we now are going to see the backlash of other women who were not as active and not as engaged realize that being asleep politically has resulted belted in school environments that we don't like polishing about, pulling back on our own freedoms and reproductive rights. And that's the silent majority, the unaffiliated american right now that i think is going to come out in droves this election cycle i thought we got to go so i was going to jump in, but i this was this group is a backlash should the extremism of the nea and other teacher associations and wanting to put parents and covid shutdowns was the impact parents, the ability to work with their children and work with the schools that was denied by a lot of these very extreme movements on that channel left fact check. This is actually not a grassroots localized movement. It is a national movement with lobbyists that have managed to find the couple of people in different key districts that they've been able to activate very successful fact check when i when i turned in, they was for big dudes in cowboy hat singing those days and i felt awkward okay? around for this rodeo the road kamala harris will not travel. 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But the difference is unlike clinton harris scenes uninterested i want to ask you about is what he said last month, he suggested that you happened to turn black recently for political purposes. Questioning a core part of your identity and his same old tired playbook next question, please that's it all alright, i want to talk about this shift with you guys because i have a thesis that kind of like post a woke inning which is what i call the great shortlived awakening after the death of george floyd and the protests that happened, the backlash involves being anti dei, antiwoke. We mentioned moms for liberty earlier, and it really became even more radioactive than in the past to say, like you're calling me a racist right? that was fighting words in the office. So it feels like democrats are maybe backing off of the awoke cunning vibes what? tell me i'm wrong. These spaces yeah. And here's why i think the trump is known. He's a known quantity but doesn't it? some of it to be called racist. And then you get to tell your voters, look, this is what, this is how they talk. And that's exactly why she's not going to fall in that trap and she's certainly you're not going to justify her identity to a bridge and tunnel guy from queens from the 19 was like, oh, i'm going to tell you what you are and what you're not right. Like just the whole paradigm. She's like, no, i'm good. Thank you very much there are going to hate on bridge and tunnel people just make i grew up with and tunnel part. I know what are you today? yeah. What let me see your eyebrows here. Come on. What was that on camera. I don't we don't need to get into his comment because i think at the time he was talking to these reporters at the national association of black journalists, he wades into this territory. But what is the point going forward? is it to hope democrats start talking about this stuff and then i guarantee you some democrats will. I think this is really smart political instinct on the part of the vice president and moving off of having these meaning letting other people talk about other people talk about it. And i think you had the same thought. Yeah. Yeah especially in the media, we can't resist exactly. Yeah. And i really think if he did something yeah. Well, but if she had said well it's not even black history month. I'm here for it back michael out to be hard sorry i'm sorry no no go ahead. What back mic on what he said about having disciplined having put people in this position, writing this speech for the miss saying, don't say this is her saying that she's not going to wait into it when my first instinct as a mexican read that would have been i've been blacked my whole life and look back because i've got mad. She was very disciplined because if she would have done that as a consultant and a strategist, that's what we all would have talked about for two weeks. Is that and how she put them in their place and oh, she's bad she got to be more presidential and be disciplined in the moment. But we have seen a lot even at the corporate level, a lot of corporations rollback dei efforts. A lot of universities and institutions council out some of those roles and so i think the vice president is perhaps aware of this cultural shift audie, and she's a woman, she's black, that's what obvious yeah. I don't think he came out. I remember seeing a cascade of dei hire talking about her that was a thing conservatives were saying online and so now let them say that and let her present herself as the the daughter of hard hardworking middleclass americans, right? the ability to relate to people on the economy, on their lived experience and yes, obviously, she has a diverse background and upbringing, but in connecting two americans, which is typically what the right wing complaint has been, is you're putting up a color barrier here to get in the way of all of this. And if that's the complaint, she's not falling into that. Where does that rightly thought it was smart. I mean, there are some voters who probably don't necessarily want to constantly be reminded of that. I'm not saying that's a good thing. Obviously, she knows who she is. She's spoken at great lengths about her background. We all know she's a black woman. You don't need to keep baden it. She's talking about why she's running. She's talking about her positions. I don't necessarily agree with them, but i think she is doing this the right way on this particular issue without saying that voter registration for black women and brown women are through the roof. There's one thing you can't lie about his voter rich and we have the numbers and when the state's reports, if you look at target smart data, just put this out yesterday the increase has been over 500% with black women and latina women, black of registered to vote. Yeah, i think it's like you said, it's baked and people know that she's a black woman. They know that she's proud of her identity. She doesn't need to keep saying it. I think also, frankly, and what i was following online people did start to buy into some of these arguments that donald trump had made about her racial identity and every time it comes up, they're going to be people in the comments section who continue to spread disinformation and misinformation about race and her race in particular, i think we've all seen it, and i think it's very smart not to give that any more oxygen because those people are ever going to believe her when she says in an interview, i'm black, i've always been black. The people who want to believe that misinformation. So i think it's smart, not even anywhere. Another thing i'm curious about is for a time i feel like we were all reporting about trump curious black and brown men and this clearly it has changed the dynamic, but i don't know how what do you actually see as a noncollege educated brown man which will shock none of you viewers after how i talk. This is a real thing that's happening out there because it's related ability presidential elections are different than congressional races. Presidential races are about people you trust, are you lack or you feel like you have something in common with they didn't feel like they had anything income would job but some of them feel like they do or they don't with donald trump. This has changed fundamentally on the ground. It hasn't fixed all the problems, but you can see in poll measured against poll to where you see it relate ability even with latino and black men, you even see some will say, well, the democratic party has become too feminine, is too much about women only if he gets reports preachy females of the democrats. I don't people don't like it, but i think james carville was kind of right. And i think some of these men, younger men of color, are looking for some type of restored of effort on the economic front, women of color, a suit proceed in u. S. Academically, they're going to college at higher rates, graduate at higher rates and a lot of these younger men are saying, well, what about us and trump appears to be provided in some type of an answer. Okay. Next topic for next show. Maybe i'll have you on the podcast because obviously the gender gap is a real issue to be discussed and it's an area of vulnerability for both candidates. I want everyone to hold on. We have more to discuss next on a lighter note, when is the thumbs up? not a thumbs up. We'll discuss. But first i want to note that coming up on monday night, abby, phillip, and i will be examining five key issues from both presidential candidates ahead of the november election. It's going to be part of a two hours special for the whole story with anderson cooper. Now, one major immigration that i looked at in terms of a unique hurdle for the vice president was immigration first first official trip abroad as vice president. Guatemala in june of 2021. She talked about the role of women in an economic development. There. But harris also delivered a stark message. I want to be clear to folks in this region who are thinking about making that dangerous trek to the united states, mexico border do not come do not come the united states will continue to enforce our laws secure, our border, do not come, do not come what was her reaction to how that was received it wasn't real receive coming from the daughter of immigrants in a black woman. So that was a moment in which i think we realized that. Okay we have to talk about these things differently, although it's the company line we can't toe that line in the same way that joe biden can comedy is coming to cnn what could go wrong i got news for you for me or saturday, september r 14th at ninine on c whenen my doctoror gave me brea tree f for my copd, thingsgs chananged for meme. R rice streetet. Better brbreathing, s symp improvovement and d produced flflareups. 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What do you think? when i do this now say i were to do that thumbs up at gettysburg, you might feel a lot different, right? well, tonight, john but the last of the bulwark wants us all to think about why donald trump is always giving the thumbs up. No matter where he goes the latest film evidence is from arlington national cemetery where trump gave a thumbs up. Next to grieving family members and graves so we're back with my panel. Everyone has talked about this week in the context of just was he supposed to be there the army hitting back the reason why we're talking about this is this is a candidate on the trail trying to send a message. What is the message sent by the thumbsup? there's no message that's the part i i just have to fundamentally disagree on this this is an individual that's been in the public eye for 40 years. He gets a lot of pictures taken when he was on the apprentice, when he was doing all of this. That is his signature move. It's not particular. I don't particularly love it. You don't read anything? anything in 20 when he's having his photo taken, it is like second nature for him to do that. It is. Here's some examples here. He is with kyle rittenhouse who was best known for shooting somebody and also family. Here he is with melania i think the thing i see in it is you have this. He's our tv candidate, right? the way reagan was our movie star candidate. And i feel like he lives in 2d he's always got to look the same in every single photo. It's like brand consistent with that that photo. The second photo with melania, that's a baby who was orphaned right? that and he's like, hey, we're here to smile with this baby that we don't know what happened to their parents. What's going to happen to this baby. It's the idea of the context doesn't matter, but it's a very online thing to do when there's a whole subculture of going to a funeral and posing next to the open casket. Now about this, where are you hanging out online is ready okay yeah no, i think it's yeah, it's very online. I think branding yourself in this way is very online. He's not connecting to the moment that he's in. And i think he is the moment that he isn't that that's the argument. Yeah. And i think that's a good point and i think also just thinking about him and j. D vance. I mean, we saw j. D. Vance go to that donut shop and be really awkward i think what we're seeing is just awkward people who are struggling to connect with other human beings. And that's really and be natural and not everyone for years and years, everyone who works for trump, i mean, from the campaign in 2016, if people who worked in that administration, they're all doing it. All of my friends, i see everybody has a point the reason why talking about it though, is because times change and isn't this the kind of thing that makes it's hard to beat the weird allegations this way it's the idea of the former commander in chief. He's not just a candidate, a former commander of chief it doesn't get the difference of a regular photo op and being at arlington cemetery and we ran thing i mean, folks understand the brand thing. I am a brown man who sounds like an old white man when i talk out, wear cowboy hat most of the time, i understand what brands do in this good for my brand, but also know that my momma says at 10:00 at night with these lots, she can't see my eyes, so i'll leave the brand at the house because it's just your comments you're going with the time and the place all right. I want to let you guys finish your thought though. Like, is there it's hard times change and people are now looking at all the same stuff trump used to do differently and democrats are treating it differently. So is this another thing that makes you vulnerable to being like this, this this guy seems like a weirdo. Well, i think they'll argue there democrats are banking. Bottom line is democrats are trying to take the playbook that republicans used against joe biden except i don't think it works as well because somebody else said he can walk down a staircase and he knows what store to go to. So it's not the same situation that you had with biden, but there are certain things he he's been doing this for so long in such second nature we can read all of this into it and it's an interest. It was an interesting article and it was inappropriate in all of that sense, but we should say the list of things inappropriate about that moment was quite smallest launch these are minds because they read that article from no, that's not the way i'm looking at it on that question because we are in a sprint towards the end of the election and every moment matters. And is this how you spent your audie i get it certain democrats can utilize that to move the needle forward with some constituent was looks at that as oh, my god democrats just awesome trump's entire message is make america great. Again, going backwards. So him not changing and doing the same thing over and over again just reinforced. But you know what there are a lot of borders bill with voters out there. Americans not great right now, economics billy and i do want to go back a couple who want to go back four years? yes. Two when inflation was nonexistent, we had lower interest rates and all of that hearing, talking about what he did at the center that's what i'm saying is i get to talk about that, but they took an opportunity that should have been a slam dunk, easy. And he has an issue to have with biden's and what happened in afghanistan at all the things that we're talking about, his arms and him willing to talk respectful and a veteran cemetery as a political professional who runs these things, that's a no, no, you just don't steve talking about this for days later? there was definitely an advantage for the former president because it families invited him not to sitting president. So you're right about yeah, we're still talking about him and not about the veteran. Want to thank you all for being here on a friday night before labor day. I appreciate your time. Next, the panel is going to give us their night caps. But first another clip from a twohour special airing monday night as part of the whole story with anderson cooper. And you're also going when you hear about from allie phillips, from abby phillips, who's taking a look at how trump handled tensions between the u. S and north korea in 2018 the public battle of words between the leader of the most powerful military on earth rocketman is known as suicide the mission for himself. And one of the world's most reclusive dictators reached a dangerous peak on new year's day in 2018 he will want a genuine, he would hit crib sudden colony in cemil. Kim jong un warned that he had a nuclear button on his desk and all of the u. S. Mainland was within range i think about donald trump he likes to be alpha man. He wants to be tough. And somebody's challenging him. He challenges back that same evening, trump sent a tweet that shook the white house and the world i to have a nuclear button, but it is a much bigger and more powerful one. Than his. 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I think we need more trials and by that i mean, the high watermark for the trump campaign was when he was on trial in new york city. And it was when he was most disciplined because he was sitting in a trial. All a long surrogates were out there talking about immigration, talking about inflation, talking about the international crisis that bidenharris administration couldn't take care of. And he had to stay quiet because of that gag order. And he was leading by ten points at that point. I think we need more trials okay i'm antitrans, but anyway, going back to my thing, i've taken up my time everyday. Somebody asked me, what are we going do about latino man. They're running into the republican party. What's happening with latino men? watch ruben gallego running for the u. S. Senate. He's going to have a blueprint in arizona it's the blueprint of what you can be doing if you're if you're a marine grew up in a single, how mama household and you just running he's running a really good campaign that people should bring attention to. Okay. Shermichael, i mean, look, it's friday. There's a holiday weekend coming up. It is all about the psychedelics so new york, oregon, new hampshire arizona, alaska are all states that have either went into the legalize lowering this idea of making psychedelics illegal substance. And a lot of veterans groups are saying, hey, we need this for ptsd purposes. Maybe some of the candidates should explore this and make this campaign a little funner and talk about your interest in this fight. But. I just, because we're talking a lot about legalizing marijuana whole host of other drugs. And here are a veteran yeah. It's like are you right now? i am not high right now is just not high, right? yeah. Yeah but there michael not high? perhaps later i heard no comment kansas city chiefs quarterback patrick mahomes today said that taylor swift is no longer on the bleachers. She has been drying up football players ahead of this upcoming season. Now, mahomes is the teammate of taylor swift's boyfriend, travis kelce of course, he cares about taylor's reputation, especially since she's bff with the wife brittany, it's worth noting that taylor typically says that she is a student of aristotle, but clearly xi2 knows how to ball young girls and women very excited by the fact that taylor has invited them into the game of football and when the chiefs won the super bowl last year, which was really hard as a 49ers fan, really hard. Taylor prove that she not only loves the players, she loves the game, so will she be criticized yes. But i think she will shake it off. All of that criticism. She's her own mastermind and i doubt that coming up with football plays, means her end she will prove that if she were the man, she'd be csm golf club, make it almost like a like you've got to you've got a chance with you, like to work here there is no time that i have met that i'm going to lose everybody thank you so much. Thank you for watching newsnight state of the race. Laura coates live starts right now