Implications for russia and the world. Thanks so much. I appreciate your time and asia and thanks for joining us. The source starts now straight from the source and we have some new reporting coming in, all the debates over the debate as harris and Trump Campaigns theyre trading to me and over mics and new buttons. Trump threatens to pull the plug. Scheduled clash could be on the brink of collapse tonight jack smith versus judge aileen kiana and the Special Counsels major move tonight against the Trump Appointee who threw out the classified documents case. What they are staring down tonight at maralago. Ill speak to trump trumps former attorney and its never been done before for private citizens getting ready to blast off into space. A History Making Mission this week, while two nasa astronauts stuck in space, you imagine the morning, they wont hitch a ride home until next year. Im pamela brown in for Kaitlan Collins and this is the source did i do more drama over the upcoming debate . Donald trump and his democratic opponent for president are going back and forth tonight over budinger or unmuting microphones when the other candidate is speaking at the debate schedule, just 15 days from now, except this time, instead of the muted mics that President Biden demanded back in june, the Harris Campaign wants mics on at all times for perhaps it has something to do with bad memories of the night trump was kept muzzled. Aisle President Biden imploded into his microphone. Well, the Harris Campaign says trump should quote, stop hiding behind the mute button. So the Vice President can deal with his quote, lies and interruptions in real time. The trump Campaign Says muted mics were the rules that they agreed to. Perhaps it has something to do with former president s allies trying to keep their candidate on message. Will ask for the candidate himself they also want to change the rules. You know, the deal was we keep the same rules now all of a sudden they want to make the change in the rules because she cant answer questions microphone muted debate whenever youre not speaking. We agreed to the same rules. I dont know. Doesnt matter to me. Id rather have it probably on, but the agreement was that it would be same as it was last time that case, it was muted i didnt like it the last time, but it worked out fine ask biden now it worked out its fine. And i think it should be the same. The truth is theyre trying to get out of it because she doesnt want to debate. Shes not a good debater. Shes not a smart person. She doesnt want to debate gets that. Id rather have it probably on the former president said referring to the microphone. The republican nominee undercut him right there. The argument that his own campaign has been making all day long and leaving us in suspense wondering, is this thing still on . That is the looming question tonight. So lets get right to it with some of our sharpest political sources, democratic strategist and cnn political analysts, Maria Cardona romney, campaign veteran kevin madden, and washington correspondent for the atlanta journalconstitutio n, tia mitchell alright, lets just take a step back. Note, where we are in this campaign season, right . I mean, this is a pivotal stretch are entering in just a couple of weeks from now, mailin ballots will be sent out in the crucial swing state of north carolina. Were heading into the fall sprint. And here we are with a good at squabbling over muted mics again i wouldnt look at this video get your reaction from the Harris Campaign and we do want to note that the sound effects here are, theres one at debater mole but because they already know Everything Trump see around not doing the debates thats same thing. Now i mean right now i say, why should i do a debate of leading in the polls . And Everybody Knows who, Everybody Knows me. So clearly fading trump there with by implying hes a chicken so what do you think is this debate can happen . Well, i think its going to happen well, first of all, though youre 100 right . I mean, nowhere in the polls fair. Do i see swing voters saying that they want to talk about mute buttons . They care about the economy, inflation, housing, immigration. And i think both campaigns quite frankly have wasted today talking about mute buttons. But look, i think also the Harris Campaign with that video its taking a little bit of a page from sunne suu, The Art Of War and the strategy of if your opponent has a temper seek to irritate him. And i think thats exactly what theyre doing. Theyre really trying to bait trump at the talking about anything. But some of the issues out there and irritate him about debate and the mechanics of the they and i think because of that he has a lost day of message and quite frankly hes the candidate right now, if we look at the National Polls and swingstate polls, whos behind . He needs to be talking about the issues that voters care about every single day today, a lost day to note to our viewers, we have a whole its like me coming up on polling and where the candidates are after the dnc. But i also wonder if this is also just underlines the significance of this upcoming debate everything matters right . And we saw that with the debate with President Biden, right . I mean, look, what happened after that, the debate, he stepped aside now Kamala Harris is the president ial candidate, and you do have to wonder why the Harris Campaign once unmuted mics you know, do they think it benefited trump in that debate . Yeah. I mean, i think its clear that they think that theyre learning a lesson from that debate in atlanta in june, and that the muted mike benefited trump in that anytime he wasnt supposed to be talking, we dont know what he said. We dont know what was said under his breath or as an aside or just out of turn, he was muted and at the end of the day, that was a terrible night for joe biden, but i think the Harris Campaign thinks that it will its made worse by the muted mics. And so they dont want to repeat that and give trump an edge by allowing him to be silenced. So that we dont hear everything he says during that hour or 90 minutes the question is, whos going to cave first . Because i think both candidates need this debate. So we dont need the debate about the rules. We need the debates. What do you think, maria . I think that the Harris Campaign is doing exactly what kevin said and donald trump is taking the bait hes taking the bait. And so i think it does two things. It underscores what voters already feel about him that hes thin skin, that hes petty, that its all about himself and that he then starts insulting Kamala Harris, which is exactly what he did in the clip that you showed every time hands salts, the Vice President , he loses votes, he loses votes from key coalitions of voters, young people, women, women of color. And so i think that this is something that the Harris Campaign doing very strategically. But i also think that theyre asking for the mics to be unmuted is also very strategic. Its not just they thought that, that worked in trumps favor. Its that they see that perhaps if abc does the same thing that cnn, which is where the moderators arent going to be seen or arent going going to be tasked with factchecking right . Because it would be daunting given donald trump lied every time he opens his mouth, Kamala Harris can do it and if you have a muted mike, it is a lot more difficult to do that this way. She has control, not just over what she says, but if he starts spewing lies, which we know he will she can jump in and say, hang on, thats not true here are the facts, right and so i think that its very strategic on their part. Its not just something that theyre doing to annoy donald trump, but clearly that i think is a side benefit of it because why the Mayors Campaign agree to the rules and then now theyre saying actually no we dont want his mic muted and that kind of thing. Well, i think originally it was the original rules under under biden yeah. Yeah because the bottom line is look the stakes could not be higher, right and for our viewers may not know this trump and harris have never actually spoken to each other before, this debate will presumably be the first time harris has of course, debated trumps vp pick mike pence back in 2020, leading to this memorable moment, lets swatch he said, because of the president wanted people to remain calm well, lets go in, but isnt this isnt and i want to add, mr. Vice president s speaking. I have im speaking before hundred thousand a year fueled the trump tax cuts, mr. Vice president , im speaking well, im speaking. If you dont mind letting me finish we can have a conversation. Okay. Please. Okay its not the kind of moment vp harris is rehearsing for what donald trump you think . I think i mean, i do think maria made a good point about being able to Fact Check Trump because youre not sure how the moderators are going to approach that. I do she is able to get away. Shes got some good oneliners. You know, and i think thats something again, depending on what the rules are, shes a she and her campaign on her strategy, theyre going to have to figure out how they can work within the rules. But the whole im speaking, that you know, became a moment for her coming out of that debate. It showed her willingness to go toe to toe, her willingness to kind of, get a little sassy, if you will. But i think it played well in real time but again, that kind of thing wont go over as well if youre muting michael, i will say mike pence is not donald trump. Mike pence is a very traditional he approaches the debate and a very classical way. Donald trump is a bar brawler. Vds, a very asymmetrical fighter. I think one of the things they may be thinking, oh, they may overthink this a little bit. And donald trump without a mute button, could really control the tone, the tempo of that debate in a way that might make it difficult for Vice President harris to really break through and pin him down. So i dont think its as necessarily meet or easy of a strategy that theyre deploying. I think youre absolutely right about that, but they cannot. And i think they know this. They cannot underestimate donald trump and just because they think they can get under his skin, which they can, that thats going to hence make it easy for her to get her message through and to break through. I think they know that though thats why theyre so focused on practicing on practicing again, which is the donald trump thats going to show up. Lets remember, this is a prosecutor going up against a 34 times convicted felon. I think this is something that she can really control. But to your point shes going to need to be prepared for every its hard to practice for donald trump i mean, youve seen another according i think that the Clink Campaign thought they had it in the bag right when they were going into the debate and they felt the splitscreen for them. But i think think for the most part, hillary won those debates. I mean, she did well in the debates. Its the election she didnt win electorally. Electorally. Thats right. But i do, but it was still write the debates can make or break election. I mean, again, look it up and finally, got to ask who has more . To lose or gain in this debate. So thats why i really do think both candidates need this debate. And thats why all this kind of going back and forth about the rules mask the fact that both of them need to show up on one hand, youve got donald trump. Hes the one whos losing momentum in needs a moment. He needs the earned media that a debate can provide especially if he does well in the debate he also needs to be able to say he was able to go toe to toe with Kamala Harris and show that he can hang with her and then of course, Kamala Harris, shes faced a lot of criticism for being very scripted on the teleprompter at round alleys. And i think she has to show people that shes willing to put some meat on the bones when shes talking about her platform, talking about what she wants to do, that shes able to explain it when journalists asked her to explain, not just what do you want to do, but how are you going to do it . How are you going to pay for it . So she needs this debate as well, while and i think we can safely assume that donald trump will hit her on her policy positions. I mean, hes hes obviously trying to now call her comrade kamala saying that shes a leftist and he hes going to most likely call out her positions of the past and where her Campaign Says they are now. I wouldnt take a look at some of those past positions like these thats why we need to have medicare for all. Weve got to have medicare for all i am offering a Green New Deal that has been described as one of the most aggressive and progressive heres the thing defund the police, the issue behind it is that we need to reimagine how we are creating safety how does harris respond to her Shifting Policy position . I think the way she responds as by saying, you know, on all three of those issues, she has massive accomplishments under the Bidenharris Administration on the issue of the Green New Deal there she can focus on the kind of Energy Production that they have been able to accomplish under bidenharris, it has been historic, right . We have never been at this level of Energy Production here in the United States she can talk about on defund the police. She can turn that around and say crime has gone down under the Bidenharris Administration and focus on the numbers that it was when trump was in office. And so she has an answer for everything and she can turn it back around. On and say, lets remember where things were four years ago, the economy was in the Toilet Americans were dying because you, donald trump denied the science of covid. So the real benefit that trump has in this debate is that for 90 minutes hes going to be able to sort of fill in the blanks for all of these swing voters out there on all of those issues and all those past statements. In a way that 32nd ads could never do so. Thats why thats the real estate thats really whats at stake. I think in this debate coming up, she can do the same. Yeah, absolutely. But i mean, i think this is one of those things where we have a concentrated audience of swing voters. And this is probably trumps best chance. All right, well, were 15 days until the debate is supposed to start. 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I think anderson were working any ministration where i feel like i can make a difference, but im used up with donald trump well, joining us now, former Deputy Assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine, and eurasia. Evelyn farkas and Washington Post columnist josh rogin. Thank you all for both coming on. I just want to note, youve known hr mcmaster so for many years and you serve on an Advisory Board with him so im i am curious what your reaction is to his description of what it was like working for trump. This is really the first inside look were getting from him. Yeah, from him though. Of course, weve heard from mark esper whos on the board of the mccain institute. Weve heard from john bolton weve heard from other advisers to the former president , i think 17 of them have said hes not fit to be president again, theyve called him dangerous. And so were just getting more examples of why he was dangerous or how he was dangerous that a given point in time, and how stubborn he was about russia in this weird relationship with putin its interesting because he retired or left the administration in 2018, right me, why now . Why is he sharing these canada details now, right . I think itd be more accurate to say he was fired after a series of mean tweets. Like many others in the Trump Administration after 13 months. So when he says he wouldnt work for another Trump Administration, i dont think that offers on the table for hr mcmaster. I dont think its going to be invited. Dont think john bolton is going to be invited either. I think a second Trump Administration would have a lot more of the kash patel, mike flynn, my pillow guy, kind of National Security officials and so he can say, i wont serve. But anyway, i think the reason that he didnt do this before is because he was trying to preserve his reputation as a non partisan nonpolitical historian. And now hes made the decision that that is not as important as him telling the truth about what he saw. So i think he should be commended for that. But as everyone pointed out, this is not new bombing, the mexican drug sources killing north korean soldiers for no reason or is not so much different than nuking the hurricanes other thing that shooting traders in the legs, right its just a lot more to the story of lots of crazy thing that trump says. And as for the allegation that everyone is just trying to compliment trump to get him to do what they want yeah. We knew that already two, thats what putin does. Thats what his officials do. Thats what senators do and thats the kind of warped Policy Process that happens in a Trump Administration. You ended up appealing to trump selfinterest rather than the National Interests and even h r mcmasters, not immune from that. And its interesting because he notes that putin was doing that appealing to trump selfinterest trying to win him over that way and that they worked on fell prey to that. What did you make of what he said . Yeah. I thought it was interesting because hr said, you know, i i told the president not to send a congratulatory note to Vladimir Putin because one putin was reelected. Course, we all knew it was a fraud. It wasnt a normal election. So he said that would be embarrassing. And you really shouldnt do that. The president insisted, but major mcmaster held the letter and later he told the president , i didnt send the letter. And he said i was trying to protect you i think there i think that hr should have said actually, i was trying to protect america. I mean, maybe he was trying to protect trump the man from being embarrassed. But frankly, not sending the letter was good for america. We should not be congratulating Vladimir Putin, a bloody dictator who stolen election for winning an election because he didnt want to ask because as you look ahead, look, donald trump could very well win this next election. And there are many National Security crisis on the horizon, right . I mean you have the ukraine war with russia right now, speaking of Vladimir Putin and just today, donald trump said that ukraine could cause World War Iii, and that he is someone who could prevent that. What do you think . Right . I mean, trump and j. D. Vance have been very clear that they dont support further usa to ukraine under most circumstances. And thats a totally different position from Kamala Harris is to totally lisa different position on the vitamins can from hr mcmaster, and you know, this is part of a long series of sagas between trump and russia and ukraine and zelenskyy that we dont have really time to get into, but what you can be sure of his in a second, Trump Administration, the antiukrainian people will have the ball and proukraine people will be on the sidelines. And thats the flip of the first Trump Administration hr mcmaster was if nothing else, in adult in the room. Okay. And thats a low bar for National Security adviser, but thats where we were in the first Trump Administration. In the second Trump Administration, theres no guarantee of any of that and i think that spells disaster for ukraine if you believe, like everyone does. And like i do, that actually the most dangerous thing would be to allow Vladimir Putin to win in ukraine than that actually has a much higher chance of sparking World War Iii than the opposite, which is defending freedom and democracy and human rights in ukraine, which is something that trump and j. D. Vance dont seem to care about at all its a greater risk that we would have World War Iii that is to say war between russia and nato. If putin gets his way in ukraine because he will be emboldened, he doesnt want nato. Hill tried to test nato allies will try to test our commitment to one another. So i think its much more dangerous if we if we were to have a Trump Administration that would let vladimir where putin somehow roll over ukraine and win in that war that, thats far more dangerous. And if we stop at ukraine, its not as if the ukrainians are just going to stop fighting. Theyre gonna keep fighting whether we help them or not thats the problem. Yeah. 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Smiths team is asking to bring back the case while defending the role of the Special Counsel. Now remember back in july on the first day of the Republican National convention, can tell us out the case ruling that smiths it hadnt been appointed legally on todays 81 page filing smiths team criticizes her decision. My source tonight is Donald Trumps former attorney in the classified documents case, jim trusty. Hi, jim. Thanks for coming on. So we should note for our viewers when you were trumps attorney, you argued in defense of trump over the merits of that case, but can you agree with jack smiths arguments in his filing today that judge cannons decision to dismiss the case over his appointment was Quote Novel And Lack Merit well, everything about the prosecution is novel. I wouldnt say it lacks merit. Judge cannon wrote about a 90 page opinion. It was very scholarly. Im one of the few people that has no social life, so i read it and when you look at it, it actually, its a very interesting arguments, very nuanced, but it comes down to this idea that the Appointments Clause of the constitution ocean, which governs the idea of how senate, the senate has to be involved in some of the appointments within the Executive Branch that, that kind of trumps all other statutes. And what we have with jack smiths brief signed off on by nine different prosecutors and probably the entire Appellate Division looked over it with a finetooth comb. What theyre relying on is us sv nixon from 1974 to say, hey, theres a Supreme Court case that says its okay for the Attorney General to appoint an independent counsel or theyre saying Special Counsel, the problem is just that the case involved independent counsel, which is a different bird, a different animal. So what were looking at is essentially an argument by the defense that this is legislative oversight if they wanted to give permission to the Attorney General to appoint a Special Counsel, all they had to do is have a statute thats the difference between the 1970s and now. You dont have a statute that govern Special Counsel. I think its a novel argument is actually former Attorney General ed meese that raised it in an amicus brief and its finally getting some traction. And i dont think its a laugher. I dont think its an embarrassing argument. So you mentioned the nixon case, but jack smith in his filing made a broader argument. I mean, he mentioned that he points to over a century of practice within the government, 150 years of statues passed by congress that gives the Attorney General Broad Authority to appoint Special Counsels do you think as you look at the broad evidence there, the wait here that its more on jack smiths side here than judge cannon side yeah. Laura, i think its a close call in a really in real life, it comes down to your panel when you go before a circuit like the 11th circuit in this case and i think that argument will probably be towards the end of the year or early next year. You get three judges assigned randomly, and all of them bring different philosophies and different kinds of attitudes. To a case so youre going to get three judges that morning basically are soon before the argument that are going to have the first whack at it. If you lose, you might ask for whats called a nonbank ask the entire circuit to rule on the same issue, and i have to thank for something this momentous, this important to the case and to history that were going right back up to good old scotus at the Supreme Court is going to get a petition at least, and theyll probably hear this case eventually. So were were on a slower track than i think people imagine. But it starts with a briefing that began today. It will wrap up in about six weeks and then theyll settle argument and well see where it goes. Were you surprised that jack smith didnt ask for judge cannon to be dismissed from this case well you know what ive been surprised about is that theyve had a really petulant tone or really frustrated tone in the pleadings in the district court. In other words, the things that theyre filing with judge cannon, theyve been increasingly nasty and belittling and that suits the politics of the moment pretty well. I suppose i dont remember them having any problem with judges that blew up Executive Privilege or Attorney Client privilege when it came to president trump, but wouldnt have any scrutiny. And they start losing any of these battles theyve been pretty petulant. I think they turned it down a bit for this brief because the circuits dont usually like to see that they can be a little protective of the idea of a judges impartiality. Theyre not going to be wild about a lot of kind of hyper rhetoric. So i think theyve turned it down. I dont know that theres going to be an avenue for for any sort of recusal on this case, even if she rules against them again. But i think that would be brought up later, maybe back when its in front of the circuit once it clears the circuit, when it goes to the Supreme Court, or if the Circuit Rules against judge cannon, they could inject it into the process a little bit, but i think theyre going to have to take their lumps for a little bit with judge cannon rather think they have some sort of Smoking Gun Basis to kick her off the case ask you as a former attorney for Donald Trumps team, what you think about the fact that there are two federal cases against donald trump, right . With the exact same constitutional argument why hasnt the trump team made this argument to the other judge in this case, judge chutkan. Do you think that there Judge Shopping here well its a Judge Shopping. They need to get to a new Grocery Store when it comes to dc, i mean, look, you had judge chutkan and jack smith talking about a speedy trial, right . For the public to hurry up and try this thing before the primaries were going or kicking in. So no, theyre not getting a lot of love in the dc court. I think that motional calm. I am not privy to what their strategies are. They obviously have this huge issue, Lingering In Dc on the question of immunity. And frankly, not to go too deep in this, but the ruling from the Supreme Court about this idea of essentially official acts, limited immunity is really going to complicate jack smiths ability to go forward on the current indictment. Were going to have this incredibly different kind. Correct. Stuff is immune yeah. I mean the dc case, i think it could fly yeah yeah. But what im getting at is im sorry, pam, but i mean, i think what im getting at is that case is snake bit because of the Immunity Rulings got some real issues to deal with. Thats going to slow it down, possibly make jack smith go back to the grand jury and reindict, honestly. So all of that bodes towards letting it play out, letting its die of its own weight before you inject another argument about Special Counsel authority. I think itll come theyll have to follow it at some point. But i think theyve got other things that are keeping them busy all right. Jim trusty. Thank you so much sure. Good to see you and here with us with more reaction to jack smiths filing, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, jennifer rodgers. So jim, what do you make of what we just heard from jim trusty and his viewpoint here . Well, listen, i like jim, hes a former doj person too, but he was also a trump lawyer. So im not surprised to have him give so much credence to the trump teams arguments here. And i dont know that i disagree with him on all things. I mean, i dont know that this is that laughable position, but i dont think at the end of the day that team trump is going to win on appeal here, theres just too much theres too much in what jack smith is saying about the historical record here, about the statutory record, and about the Supreme Courts unanimous opinion and usb nixon and i mean and jim can say its a difference between an independent counsel and a Special Counsel. But when you look at those actual positions and the differences between them, theres really nothing there. So i think the unanimous Supreme Court finding that congress did vest and the Attorney General the right to appoint a Special Counsel in that case, the Watergate Special prosecutor i think thats going to carry the day its interesting because if you read through the jack smith filing, he also points out that the trump teams argument or judge, Aileen Cannon for that matter how it would it would raise questions about the hundreds of other appointments within the federal government. Not right, not just in this case, but in other departments as well the Executive Branch it including the department of defense, State Treasury right . And labor. And so would also raise the question how that would apply, right to vacancies, right. For an acting u. S. Attorney, how their argument would apply to Something Like that. What do you think . I thought that was really a good argument that jack smiths team made. And its the sort of argument that doesnt get a lot of traction necessarily in the district court, which is so concerned about the case in front of it, but it gets a lot of play in the higher courts because theyre thinking about how expansive is this ruling if we do this . How impactful is this going to be . The notion that Inferior Officers cannot be appointed to do things that are even Semi Independent across the federal government would be a disaster. As you said in all of these departments, you have Inferior Officers who are appointed pursuant to these statutes without having to be affirmed by confirmed by the senate. And so its not just a Special Counsel jack smith problem is not just a doj problem. If the 11th circuit and ultimately the Supreme Court does what trump wants them to do. Its an entire Executive Branch problem. So i think that was a good argument and i think the 11th circuit will consider there that seriously. All right. Jen rodgers. Thank you. 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And Vice President harris did go up in the polls and may still be Trump Campaign is predicting a two to three point bump for harris in the first round of polling after a rousing convention, my source tonight, Editor And Publisher of Inside Elections Nathan Gonzalez so if the election was held today who would win this race i actually think Vice President harris would win now, i agree that it is a very close race, but lets if we go backwards a little bit, i think that we had a very close race where trump was leading before the debate, before the june 27 debate, he was leading in the swing states. Andy was potentially expanding the map Into Virginia and new mexico its a cold minnesota. Now, the Vice President harris is at the top of the ticket. The core of the battleground is the same, but were talking about different states, north carolina, it looks like its a battleground where it looked like trump was running away with it. Florida could be a battleground. There was a poll right before the Convention Usa Today that had a neck and neck. Well see if thats outlier or a trend. But i think that the momentum so is with harris and thats why i think you would rather be harris right now than trump, but were an evenly divided country and i expect it to be close. Yeah, a lot can change, right . We have seen so many twists and turns in this election, north carolina, the interesting date, the mailin ballots are going on just a couple of weeks there. I mean, thats where we are and this Election Cycle is heating up. And the Trump Campaign put out this memo saying that there wouldnt be a bump for harris in the polls, but that it wouldnt stick. It pointed to historically what happens. But could this moment be different thats a little bit of expectation setting. Of course they want to set the bar high so that if there isnt a bump, then it looks like she has that she has failed. I think the problem with looking at any poll is identify any movement in a pause identified exactly what he is the cause of it, because of course we just had the convention, but we also just have rfk junior dropping out. And so the polls that are going to come out over the next week or so were going to reflect not just the convention, but rfk junior and i think that rfk he was on the downward slide and democrats who are just who said that they were voting for him, who had already gone to harris. And so i think rfks support was still pretty trumpy. So he might get a little bit a couple of points from rfk junior dropping out, so i can make an actual difference i think in terms of there were some for voters that didnt like the two choices that were just using, rfk as a vehicle for another candidate that now that hes not an option, i think that trump could benefit, but i dont think rfks endorsement really means i dont think there are a sizable population out there who are just looking around saying all right, im going to wait for rfk junior to tell me who to vote for. I think those people or those very small. Im going to take a deeper look at this latest poll we had the cbs yougov poll is the most recent look into the state the race before the dnc. This showed harris with a very slight three point lead over trump, 51 to 48. But as we expect to see this traditional postconvention bump, for harris, as we were just talking about the momentum she has. Youre also hearing some concern from democratic pollsters. Why is that . Well, first of all, we have to be very concerned when were looking at National Polls. We do not have a National Election in this country. We have an electoral college. Fair and statebystate as part of what got everyone in trouble . 2016, the National Polls showed that Hillary Clinton was leading donald trump and she won the National Election. But thats not the election that we have. So we have to remember not to, not to redo that. I think that some polls theres a concern that once again trumps support is being understated in the polls the people who say theyre supporting trump or not, either, theyre not answering pollsters calls, or theyre not telling pollsters exactly what they are going to do. And that once again, he will be over for perform where he is in the polls. Its its possible, but i think pollsters have tried to methadone methodologically tried to handle that, im just gonna ask that because there are so a lot of skepticism from people about the polls, right . And whether there accurate because they saw what happened in 2016, had pollster has been able to sort of remedy that, well, well find out in twoandahalf months i think that theyre trying theyre trying to its not just live color. Youll get someone on the phone because people arent responding to calls. So shifting some methodology to text a web, theyre sending a text and then have you answer. Answer a survey online in order to get more of the population . I think the best thing to do is to try to get as many data points as possible and not just, not just focus on any single poll, but look as many points as possible and as many of the Battleground States as possible to analyze the trend rather than just sticking with one poll speaking of looking at the trend and looking at all the data points and also looking at 20 20, right . What we saw then compared to now at this point in the 2020 Election Cycle, biden was beating trump by eight it points 51 to 43, and it was a very close race how concerned would you be if harris returns a smaller lead than that in her postconvention bump i think comparing harris to biden or Hillary Clinton at this point is difficult because shes the Vice President , but shes still a fairly unknown quantity. She still has room to grow in terms of being able to introduce herself to voters we, Hillary Clinton had universal name, i. D. Joe biden had universal name i. D. So they didnt have as much which room to grow. Harris, i think one thing were learning about the polling going back a few months as it looked like harris was unpopular when in reality, people just didnt really know where didnt know what jobs she was doing. And now the racist to define her democrats last week wanted to define her in a certain way. Republicans are trying to define her as a california liberal and thats really what but the race is for voters who were unfamiliar with who she is or what she was doing how many are undecided voters are there still . I mean, how many voters are still on the fence about who theyre gonna go for it for and that note how important is the debate. I think were talking about a very small number of people. A lot of people say that they Single Digits high singledigits potential of people who are truly up for grabs and they probably are looking at the debate or theyll get to look much closer to election day, say how do i feel, do i feel secure . Do i feel, how do i feel about the economy . And do i want a candidate that is for change, that is a change agent and right now, harris, is that change agent because its such a stark contrast two former president trump. All right, Nathan Gonzalez. Thank you so much. Well, history is about to be made when for civilians blast off into space for the first ever private spacewalk. And we just learned that launch was pushed back 24 hours. An astronaut who made history with her space travel is here with us. Next, you wont want to miss this segment im looking forward to it all night. I got news for you its coming to cnn this fall pros and cons less pro hosted by roy wood, junior row with amber ruffin would likely in black right. So what are the cons we could run out in use by then but in all seriousness, i i desperately need this to work out im in the middle of a divorce, so i loved that to the provide got news for you. 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A billionaire and three there are private citizens are attempting to travel further into space than any astronaut since the Apollo Missions to reach the highest orbit around earth ever. And also become the first civilians to take a high risk spacewalk. My source tonight is one of the few humans who have been base, former nasa astronaut dr. Mae jemison, who was the first black woman in space, honored to have you on tonight. Why do you think Wednesdays Mission is highly ambitious and risky, especially for for private citizens . Good i mean, theres a lot in that question, all Space Exploration almost by definition with humans, has a level of risk and we can sort of see how that risks can be calculated, how you try to minimize it whats really exciting about whats happening with the Polaris Mission is the amount of information is being being taken. Some updates in the eva or extravehicular activity are spacewalk suits. So those are things that are incredibly interesting and some of the things that are happening when you talk about risks are the fact that theyre going through the one of this very high orbit going through the van allen belts. And the radiation that they may receive and really, really trying to understand how is that mitigated there were a number of things that i understand had to be done to the vehicle itself. To sort of harden it to the radiation. Theyre doing a spacewalk. Its got to use the same sort of means that happened did gemini where theyre going to stay havent umbilical and get all their Life Support System through that. So its a different kind of space suit. Then you see what the space walks that with on Space Station, where you carry your own life support with you. So there are a lot of different avenues that are happening. So the risk is hopefully not to the crew, right, but perhaps to the amount of science that can be done. And so its gonna be pretty exciting certainly and you mentioned going into space is risky in and of itself. And were seeing this play out with these two nasa astronauts. The ones who just found out, they arent coming home until february now, theyve already been stuck there for months theyve been there since june, i believe at the International Space station and the Boeing Starliner cant bring them home now, instead, theyre gonna have to wait for the rival spacex ship. Do you think that nasa made the right call and what do you think thats led for them up there . So. The first thing lets be really clear. Theyre up there with other astronauts when the International Space station have food warrants, shelter even ability to contact their family backandforth. So its not as though your stranded on an island with no communications, no way to get home so. The difference is is they thought they were going up for an eightday mission and coming back down after doing sort of a testing out of this vehicle, the starliner as a First Crewed Mission on the starliner. So thats a complete change of plans so i cant really tell you how theyre feeling. Theres i think every day youre able to be in space is probably a good day, both sunny and butch, Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore have been on the Space Station before so its very interesting for them were going to say what will happen, but its really interesting time. I want to ask you about the right that want to ask you quickly, my sixyearold son as whats the food like up there . He got ten seconds its okay. Its raised right. And you and youve youve put water in it to pump it up. But in terms of whats happening, the right call the management looked at what are the risk of what could happen with the vehicle. You never put the cruise life at risk if you think there might be something you cant
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