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Territory through a temporary pier built by the us military but some, aid, work. Workers say its still not enough and they appear wont be able to replace the need for more aid convoys overland. The us says no american troops set foot in gaza during the operation im wolf blitzer in the situation room. Thanks very much for watching. The news continues next on cnn welcome to this Special Edition of ac30 60. The Karen Mcdougal interview. Mcdougal is one of the women at the center of former president trumps Hush Money Trial. She says they had an Affair Starting in 2006 that lasted around ten months. The former president denies an affair with mcdougal or a sexual relationship with Stormy Daniels Karen Mcdougal was paid by the company that owns the National Enquirer for her story as part of a catch and kill scheme. I spoke to her about it back in 2018. Karen mcdougal had never told her story on camera and full until this interview. And shes never done an interview like it says if we could just start at the beginning, how did you meet donald trump i met donald when they were filming the Celebrity Apprentice at the playboy mansion. They were filming there and i was hired as one of deployments to work at the pool party, seen as quite fine actually. And youd youd worked for playboy for some time yes. I after becoming play mated the year i was required to work so many events with playboy. And that was one of the events that i thought would be fun and i worked at and there are a lot of women there and we just saw had a great time and thats where we met. How did you actually meet . He said hello, like, he would to anybody and then throughout the night, it was kind of obvious that there was an attraction from his part to me and i just blew it off. You can see him looking at you. Oh, i could see it. And the playboy bunny, shes like the house mama is what we call her. She actually made a comment like, wow this guys really into you, and thats when i started like paying attention and he was and i smile that it thought it was kind of cute and funny. And then at the end of the nights after striking up many conversations, we exchange, he actually asked me to write his phone my phone number down for for him to q did you wanted to see him again i thought it would be nice to communicate with him and talked to him. I actually at that point, didnt consider dating are going out with him, but i think hes an interesting person. He is brilliant and i like smart minds and i think that i was interested in the communication for sure. So when was the next communication . I believe we talked right away on the phone and i think we talked for about a week on the phone before his next visit to la and that was his birthday, which i think is june 12, what would you call you . He would call me i would call him vice versa. So you had his phone number . I havent many of us on numerous, yes. Do you have his Address Number for him or did you have to go through Somebody Else . I have as direct phone number. I have quite a few of the direct phone number as i also had Bodyguard Cversations any other conversation you have with a nice person each other. We had fun, we were funny together. We had a good time. We would talk about anything and everything from what kind of food you like to house your family. He asked me how my family was to politics, to anything like just normal everyday life, conversations. So tell me about your first date. Our first date. I was told we were going to go to the Beverly Hills hotel for dinner. So he had told me that keith has bodyguard was going to pick me up at a certain time and he didnt. And then we were driving over to the Beverly Hills hotel and keith drove around to the back and he said, we have to get out here because we dont want to walk through the hotel and at that minute, im like thinking to myself, are we going to her room because i thought we were having dinner at the Beverly Hills hotel in the actual restaurant. Right . Well, we did have dinner at the Beverly Hills hotel, but in his bungalow instead, we had dinner there for a few hours. We talked for a few hours. We had a great time. Were getting to know each other. Were talking about his birthday then as the night ended, we were intimate. When you got to the remal hotel and keatts said, were not going to go through the lobby. Were gonna go was it to a room at the Beverly Hills hotel or a suite or it was a bundle and back. Of the eye, its the one he said he always data and in fact, every time that i met him, there was a same exact bumble bungalow and hes told that the Nicest Bundle they had. So i guess thats why he chose that one, but thats thats where we went every time. Were you concerned when you realize youre not going to go out to dinner, youre actually going to be getting in the bunk load. I think that first night i was concerned because i didnt i wasnt expecting to go to a hotel room or bungalow, whatever you wanna call it i actually thought we were going to dinner, so i was a big concern and i think at that moment is when i realized maybe Something Else is going on, you know, im a smart girl. I i probably could have figured it out, but i really wasnt thinking. I think i was so nervous the risk to actually meet with him in general that it kinda just didnt even think it wasnt my Thought Process at that moment. I was just too nervous to actually meet him. So were you attracted to know is attracted to him. Yeah. He sees a nicelooking man and i like just charisma. I think i love good, great posture. Hes got great posture he is nice so theres the sex was consensual. It wasnt clear. Yes and what happened afterward . After that night, you said you should have ended on a strange now. So what what happened after you had been intimate . Well, after we had been instrument, he he tried to pay me and i actually didnt know how to take that. And he actually tried to hand you money. He did he did. And i said, i mean, i just had this look of just i dont even know how to describe the look on my face must have been so sad because i had never been offered money like that before. Number one, bring number two, i thought does he think that im in this for money or why im here tonight . Or is this a normal thing . I didnt know but i looked at him and i said thats not me. Im not that kind of girl. And he said, oh, and he said, youre really special. And i was like, thank you. I left. I actually got into the car for kids to take me home and i started crying. I was really sad and it really hurt me but i went back. Hurt you that he saw you in that way . Yes. I hurt me that he saw me in that light and he obviously assumed that thats the kind of girl i was maybe because i was a playmate. I dont know. But even though youd had a night up conversation and days have conversation it hurt you that boiled down in the end to that. Its it hurt me. It did hurt me. I was crying in the backseat of the car. Like i said, i got home to my apartment and i cried for a lot. I felt really terrible about myself, let alone way he felt, but i felt terrible about myself and i got over it. But did you think you would see him again . I didnt i didnt think id see him again, but then when he called i was like bad place in life. I just came out of a bad relationship where i never felt good enough in my relationship and not that thats any excuse. Its not. But i think i was so down on myself that when he called and hes so sweet like what everyone sees on tv. I didnt see in that man because that man was a very sweet, very respectful, very loving, very kind, and caring like thats the man i saw. Hes youd be very charming in person. Its very charming, is very sweet. As personality to me was. Wow, but i loved it. It was great when do when was the next time you saw him . Id have to look back at my i took journal back in the day and not just for anything in particular, but i told this day i still write down everything i do during the day. Thats what i do. If i looked at that, i could find out, but i think it was in that same couple of days within a week because he was in town when it came to la, he was usually there between 367 between 3567 days and i usually saw him. You gave us the journal that you kept. You would write down on days you saw him, you would you wouldnt write how his full name no, i either call them t or dt because if anyone found this i wouldnt want to expose myself or expose him. So theres a number of days here. It looks like dozens over the course of time with those small little dt and sometimes theyre hard to see i purposely kind of Chicken Scratch to a lot on there because i know what im writing. And like i said, to this day, i still do that with my notes and where id where im at, who i talked to, whatever i did i did write that down. So did i see him quite a few times, quite a bit absolutely. We spent a lot of time together. And did you tell friends about it at the time . I did. I told a few friends. I told my sister, i actually told my mother that i knew him and we talked on a regular basis, but i told her that we were just friends and she scolded me a little bit like, i hope its only friends because, you know, is married and my guess i understand. My sister actually heard him on the phone she was with me one time and she i couldnt hold the phone because i was busy. So she put him on speaker and we were just talking. I mean, i didnt care. Its like she knew anyway. So when you have a relationship so somebody you dont hide it, right . If theres feelings, you dont hide their relationship. Did he ever asked you to hide it no, he didnt number. So there was never a conversation of dough number. In fact, i think once he asked, does your sister no. And i said, yeah, she knows hes like all he wasnt afraid to hide it at all. And you knew he was married . I did. Did he bring up his wife did you bring it up no. I i never brought up his wife. He did once and thats the only time i can remember when he said she was an intelligent woman she needed like, i dont know, four or five languages but other than that, he never talked about his wife and i never brought her up. I obviously, theres a reason i dont bring it up because i felt guilty about it. So i after never seen her until the one occasion, i never correlated the two really, i just kinda out of sight, out of mind. When you met it was 2006, correct . Was this shortly after his son had been born yeah. Unless would he would he talk about his child . His son . No the only thing you said about his son was isnt the name baron a nice name . And i said, yeah, it is. And i said, how did you choose that name . And he told me and thats no conversation as you enter a relationship, obviously in any relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel and how did you view it . How did you view the relationship . You know, going through it . When i look back where i was back then, i know its wrong. Like im really sorry for that. I know its a wrong thing to do. But back in those days, sorry okay back in that de i was left was a different girl. I you know, i had fun. I was in the playboy is seen i was just enjoying life as much as i could and you know, when i got what him actually, you know, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. There was a real relationship there and i kinda out of sight, out of mind with Everything Else and in steven sayyed. I did have a lot of guilt but i still continue, you believe though, that he had real feelings for you . Of course, he did. I know we did he would say that hey, ten. Were you in love with him . I lost yeah. And do you think he was in love with you . He was. Yeah did dont trump ever say to you that he loved you . All the time he always told me he loved me yeah. Of course did he have any nicknames . Where are you he would call me baby or hed call me beautiful karen, would you always see him just in los angeles . No. No, i wouldnt i actually went to a Golf Tournament with him in lake tahoe i went to his golf course and in california i went to his his golf course home in new jersey and went to his home in new york and im trying to think where else i cant recall right now. Yeah. When you say what you would arrange to go someplace, how would it be arranged . I would pick for the flight. I would look at myself. I would book the hotel room if i wasnt staying with him. Usually i stayed with him, but theres been a couple of times where i didnt and then he would reimburse me. So if the flight was i dont Know Los Estrada number of the flight was 500. Hed give me 500 and say here, take care of the flight and things like that. So why would he have you book all the travel and hotel rooms theres no paper trail and did you realize that at the time . Yes, i did. Because he was concerned about it being revealed at some point and there being a paper trail oh, i was told this theres no peoples your paper trail. I cant say what his reasons where it i i would assume thats the case, yes. Yes. Do you said you went to a a Golf Tournament in tahoe . I did. There were other women now whove come forward saying that they also had met with him and had sex with him at that event, were you aware of any other women . No, i was not. I mean, i was with them plot so i didnt see anything but could he have stayed a day longer than me . Sure. Did you think that this relationship was going to last for a long time . Did you have did you did . No. I i felt it was getting much stronger there were no gifts ever, but a Christmas Gift on i got him a gift and then he told me the gift. He got me wasnt apartment in new york, but its being remodeled right now. And i never saw the apartment because i ended up breaking up or ending the relationship, but that was supposedly my gift. I dont know you went to his actual apartment in trump tower . I did i didnt know i was going there i actually had a hotel room in the city at that time. Welcome for this trip, what was it like going out at trump tower i didnt know i was at trump tower. We went into the Back Entrance, so i had no idea where we were actually going. The back interests, as you know, probably is more discrete. Its like a little nothing hallway versus like when you walk into the grand right. So we went to the Back Entrance and then at that time i realize where were going. And i said, arent you afraid to bring me here . Hes like they wont say anything and im like, okay, so we went upstairs and we looked around and to his office or to his apartment . His apartment. He showed me around what do you think of the department . Its very gold. No, actually, its actually quite pretty. The views were amazing. Its a beautiful apartments. They have great taste. And he showed you around the apartment. He did did he reference millennia that point he did can Sugar Ray Leonard you every tasks wearing Boxing Gloves Bird and now putting on his new arch fit Sketcher Slipups. 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Martin sundays at nine on cnn one of the reasons Karen Mcdougal says she wanted to set the record straight was the donald trump through whos then longtime aide, hope hicks denied any relationship with her. Mcdougal talks about that coming up in this part of our 2018 interview before the break, she was recounting how during her alleged affair with trump, she says he actually took her into his apartment at Trump Tower Power when his family wasnt home we passed a room and he sets is melanias room. If she likes to have her alone time or ticket wait to read or Something Like that. Im like, oh, okay. Thats when i kinda thought maybe maybe theyre having issues. I didnt ask. Its not my business at that point. How did you feel being in his apartment . Guilty. Very guilty. Why didnt i couldnt wait to get out of the apartment. Actually, i think doing something but then when youre doing some are doing Something Wrong is bad enough when were doing Something Wrong and youre in the middle of Somebody Elses home or better, whatever that just puts it a little stab in your hearts. And i just couldnt wait to get out of the apartment. I wanted to go back to my hotel room. It made his other life more real. I was just going to say it made it more real to me. Yes. Made it more real did you see bear in there . No, i never saw barren. So wheres this picture from . That picture is from The Apprentice release party that they had at the playboy mansion. So they filmed it like a month beforehand, which is where i met him and then they had the release party when The Apprentice actually aired. So thats when that one was. This is a picture with ivanka trump Melania Trump several of your colleagues and yourself, correct. Did was that the first time you met millennia . It is. And honestly, if you can tell, i tried to keep my distance. I tried to go as far away as i could just because i felt guilty. Do you think she knew you know, maybe maybe i dont know i was told to me that they were arguing that night and i said why and somebody had said probably because uh, you but i dont know if thats a factor not so dont quote me on that one. Theres another picture with you with with eric trump do you know where that were those from i believe thats from the Trump Vodka Release Party that he had, which was within a couple of days of that other party did did it feel strange to meet his son or it did, but he was such a friendly guy like again, when youre doing Something Wrong, you try and push everything out of the weighing and make it as right as you can in your mind. So i met. All his kids except for baer and of course and i just try to shake it. But now it gets to me, but then it didnt. Did he ever compare you to any of his kids you know, he hes very proud of ivanka as they should be. I mean, shes a brilliant woman. Shes beautiful, shes you know, thats his daughter and he should be prouder he said i wasnt beautiful like her and, you your smart girl and there wasnt a lot of comparing, but there was some yeah. I heard a lot about her yeah did that strike you as odd in any way or i know a lot of people think its odd. I there has been some comments ive heard in the news. He said about her. I think those comments arriving by do i think its strange that a father would love his daughter so much that he brags about her. No, i brag about my dog that much i guess. Some people seeing this are not going to believe that you had a relationship hope hicks has said categorically, you did not have a relationship. Theres no truth to this when you heard that denial what did you think . Well, i think somebody is lying and i can tell you its not me its a little hurtful, but at the same time, i have to understand like if he were to have told hips hope that he didnt do it. I guess i understand because hes trying to protect his family, his image, things like that. But it was definitely a little like wow, youre gonna lie about that. Okay. When youve heard the stories of Stormy Daniels, who has come forward, who said that she was at the tahoe club as well and others who said that they were there you didnt know about that at the time . No, i did not know does it went what did you think when you heard that my first thought was, how could she have been with him when i was with him. The only time we werent together on that particular trip was when i he was on the golf course golfing. I didnt go clearly, but i went to every event, every after thing, parties datetime, things. I was there. Thats why i cant understand. 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Did he at the time say tell you that you were his only girlfriend or did that something we never really discussed that i knew he talked to ladies, but i didnt know there was anything else. I didnt know he was intimate with other ladies, but i guess if hes makes sense, if hes doing behind his wifes back, why would not do it by my back. But at that time in the frame of mind, you were in then you felt you were the only thought i was the only one. Yeah, i did. I thought i was the only one do you have any Text Messages photographs videos, anything that would dispute the hope hicks is statement that this never happened let me just say this. If youre in a loving relationship do you try and collect evidence thats not what you were thinking about no, not at all. Not at all. In fact, the only thing that i have really is my journal that i keep. And like i said, i still do it to this day. It wasnt out to get anybody or gosh, get anyone in trouble but those are my notes. Those are from me know when you care about somebody, you dont try and set them up in any way, shape, or form. Thats my opinion this is a hard question to ask, but you said youd have text that first time. All these times you saw him. This was an ongoing sexual relationship . Absolutely. Can you estimate how many times you actually saw him again, when youre in a relationship . Du count, how many times you have sex . No. However, i can tell you we saw each other a minimum five times a month up to bigger numbers per month. So the course of how long over the course of 2006 through i think i ended the relationship april 2007, so we were together ten months before i chose to end it. So we saw each other quite frequently. So dozens of times you were together, any dozens of times you were intimate . Yes. Doesnt many dozen homes this is another tough question. And again, you dont have to answer it, but its been raised with other people did he ever use protection . No. No, i didnt. Was that something you thought about or they didnt concern you at the time you know, we talked about it right beforehand. He he was starting to and then hes like, i dont like these things and, you know, we discuss things. Do you do but a lot and we were just honest with each other and we didnt we didnt use any youve talked about ending the relationship who ended the relationship . I didnt why i was just feeling so guilty it was just digging inside me. I think the excitement of it took over for awhile and i did care about the man i am not going to lie. So that made it hard to end it. But i think i just started feeling so bad about myself. Like, how could i do this to a myself, but to be to a family, whether they get along or not, its still a family i just needed to get out of it. I you know, i i just needed to get out of it. It just was tearing me apart and a long run. Thats a hard thing to do to end a relationship. Any relationship it was very hard. 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This is cnn more now, my exclusive 2018 interview with Karen Mcdougal at the time, she was shocked to learn that in the months before the 2016 election are then attorney Keith Davidson was negotiating a deal with the Parent Company and the National Enquirer at the same time he was talking to Michael Cohen than the attorney for candidate trump. Did you ever think about rekindling their relationship not while hes married now yeah, of course, i did. I had feelings for the guy, but not while i know. Now while he was married aid at that point in time, i would never do that again. No. You didnt speak you told friends, has anybody would tell friends about a relationship . But you didnt at any point during this time 2006, 2007, 2008, tried to reach out or did you do at any point after relationship ended think about telling your story publicly, talking about the relationship i mean, some people would have considered telling their story that never crossed your mind. Yeah when you have when you have feelings in a relationship and you cared about somebody, why would you want to destroy their life anymore than you might have already destroyed their life . So at what point did i mean, obviously, dont trump announces for president , hes going to run he gets the republican nomination at what point does this start to come back . Or this this become suddenly in the forefront for you again i was watching the Republican Debate with a friend named johnny is one of my good friends from many years ago. He said, you know the story is a big story and i said no way its not going to happen. Ago you know where i stand on this, jonny, i will never say anything. We dropped it. And of course, gianni is a democrat, but im a republican. So youre republican . I am. And i voted for donald. Yes, i did. There you have it . Yes. I heard republican so we dropped it, but then later on, maybe a week or two later, an x friend or an old friend of mine started on social media talking about my relationship and she was part of that. She she knows everything she had starting started putting it out there. So it was being seen so i came to johnny one. Diana said, johnny, look what shes doing as i do, i need to worry about this and hes like, oh, absolutely you do. He said, you need to get ahead of the story now, before Everyone Else case, your story and manipulates it anyway, they want to manipulate it and make it this very ugly thing. You need to control your story and you need to tell your truth. And i said, yes, youre right. So thats what we decided to do and thats where gianni, one day comes, comes over and hes like our mutual friend that we have found, found this guy named keys and hes going to help you share your story. Keith davidson . Yes. Correct. An attorney . Yes, correct . An attorney who also was an attorney for Stormy Daniels . I didnt know that. Yes. And others in this business clearly so what what did you do then . You contacted davidson . I didnt. Gianni de gianni and the mutual friend contacted davidson within a matter of a couple of days, keith came out and we all had lunch together and he wanted to know details. So rosette down at lunch for a couple hours, i gave them details and keith is like the stories worth many, many millions. And unlike okay, so we talked about it and thats when keith brought it to a mi. So did you know that keith . Your attorney, was going to go to ami which is the Parent Company which owns National Enquirer and other magazines he said ami i didnt know what am i was to be honest, he said ami we have this company that theyll probably want to hear your story so and what was the thought of selling the story in your mind to get my truth out there i wasnt looking for money clearly, but when he said its worth many millions, im like that was something it was hard to pass up. Sure. Of course did keyed have a meeting with me . Did you have a meeting with him . We had a meeting with ami. You told them your story. We tell them the story. They actually didnt think is very credible, even though off the record, they said dylan, dylan believes your story, but clearly when they came back, they said it wasnt believable. I might julen bleep being dylan howard, and hes with ami so they had like a 12 hour window to i know im probably skipping around. Im sorry. They had a 12 hour window to accept whether they wanted the story or not, and they didnt want the story. Well, then the republican, he won the republican nomination and aim i was interested in the stray again once, dont trump won the republican nomination, ghraieb, youre saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests . Well, to keith . Yes. To us for the story what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back they wanted to squash story youre saying they wanted to protect donald trump im assuming so, yeah. But the offer which we didnt discuss yet or havent discussed was they had offered me a big, you contract for work from my lane and fitness and things like that might my life has always been health and fitness, so they said they were going to have you be a column as you would write, columns about health and fitness, correct . They said id write columns. I would get one call, one article per month and okay. Magazine, one article per month and Star Magazine for two years. And then four columns per month on rater online for two years on top of that to magazine covers their reasoning was like, youve been a successful model fitness, et cetera we want to help you continue and we actually want to rebrand you and your older now. So we want to jumpstart into a new career for you and really get you out there to work. And im like this perfect. Like who does what model, wouldnt want that especially as an older model, i youre like, oh, this is great, right so yeah. But then the side deal was oh, were squash the story. Okay. Its a winwin for me, like i get the work and my story doesnt have to come out. Did you know that they were buying the life rights to your story . I did. I knew i could never talk about him. Sure. So that was for you. This wasnt a nondisclosure agreement to you. This was a great business opportunity. Youre gonna get paid youre going to be able to have right columns. Youre going to launch a new aspect of your career. Youre going to get the cover of some magazines. And on top of it youre going to sell them your story, but theyre not going to publish it. And therefore, correct, theres not gonna be any ramifications. Craft story, getting up. Absolutely. I mean, who wouldnt want to get this work. And then that work could lead to other work or to other work. Who knows where it can lead . Of course, i was excited. So in an essence, you were happy to have the story killed yeah, of course, like i said, i never wanted to come forward and you are going to get 150,000 for it for having a killed and launching potentially a new career. Well, more importantly, i looked at it as i was doing work. The columns, the covers, and im getting paid for that. Oh, and My Life Story is like never has to be shared. It was more about the way it was presented. It was more about protecting me. It was more about we dont want to tarnish your image we want to keep your brand wholesome and hole so unlike thats awesome. Thats great. Thats the way i perceive this contract. It was a whitlam like i said, had you ever heard the term at that point, catch and kill you . I had not do you know what catchandkill isnt it . I do now yeah, i do now. Whats your understanding of a catchandkill is catches from what im learning, a catch and kill is somebody for legacy for yourself, for example, taken a story about somebody you like or care about ever friendship about. And they squash a story. So it doesnt hurt you so get them. Did you know that thats what was going thats the allegation of what was going on here. Did you did you realize that at the time i knew the story wasnt going to be printed yeah. Why do you think they swash to the story back then or now they they they didnt want to hurt him you think is because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump do you think i mean, you wouldnt know this, but do you think donald trump would have been aware of this, of this deal that they were doing him, that they were allegedly doing him this favor i wouldnt know but based on what im learning, as were all learning together as we read and one of the big complaints with why i think my contract is illegal is because his attorney was talking to my attorney, so michael, youre saying Donald Trumps personal attorney, Michael Cohen, corrects. Was talking with you without me even knowing without my knowledge i would assume that maybe he knew i know his attorney did. I cant say that he knew, but his attorney how do you know that Michael Cohen and your attorney, Keith Davidson, were in communication . I didnt know. Im just learning this as your loneliness. Its been reported and my attorneys, they know and to you, the idea that Michael Cohen would be in communication with your attorney at the time theoretically, there would be no reason for Michael Cohen to be having communication to your attorney because this was a deal between Keith Davidson, you and write so why was he involved in my deal and why wasnt i told him that he was involved in my ideal thats not fair and its quite frankly illegal the avon, how quickly was the ama ami deal done . Once we agreed upon the jobs, the financial payment, it things like that. It was done very quickly in a matter of a day or two basically, i was going out of town and i said, ill get back to in a week when i get back into town, they said the deal really needs to be done. Now, unlike okay. So i think it was done within that night or the next day . Okay how do you remember what was de this was or what when this was in the president ial race it was an august i sign the deal august 6. So it was probably august 5 or fourth that we finalize and then sign on the six, but i cant tell you. I dont remember whether rice was so this is in the last month or two, or the president ial race do you think the president ial race had anything to do with this deal getting done what im looking back at it now possibly, yeah. If dont, trump hadnt been running for president , do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not. Know. How often youre pretty youre convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the president ial race unfortunately yes a heart attack. Do they have Life Insurance . No. But we have Life Insurance john, im trying to find something we can afford fortunately, it. Only a few minutes. Select poke down john, a 500,000 policy for only 29 a month and his wife and a 500,000 policy for only 21 a month. Go to select quote. 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We dont pay for interviews, but you may go from here and write a book or make a movie, or whatever it may be, two that you say what bottom line is this . Ive offered to give back the one 50 even though i only got 55 of that, ive offered to give back the one 50 just to have my my story writes back the stories out there. Now im not telling the nittygritty details as you can see, im very selective in what im what im saying about our relationship im not out to make money on this. Im out to get my rights back to prove a contract was illegal that i was taken advantage of and then go back from my life period did it anger you . I mean, its part of this because people, the white house have said, youre lying, youre not telling the truth i dont know when leinz be called a liar, but no, its more about the illegal portion of the contract and im not fulfilling what they promised me. They promised me this work to date. There are only ten articles and ok magazines, ten articles and stargazing, and maybe seven on right. Are online, right. Airline. Im so sick of four per month i mean, the two years is up an august. Ive gotten really nothing out of this so you think that whole talk of helping you relaunch a new, a whole new phase of it was fake. They didnt want to help me i thought they wanted to keep my reputation claiming from what they said they wanted to rebrand me. They wanted to im an older model now. They wanted to make something a new star. They promised me all these wonderful, beautiful things. Even when i met with david pecker and dylan and keith in new york after this is back last august they oftenly many more opportunities, but i havent seen anything yet. Not that thats not part of the contract, but my point is, they keep dangling the carrot im not playing the game anymore are you aware of or have you spoken to any women with similar stories who have come forward . No, i havent spoken anyway, i know other ive heard other stories from other people, but its hearsay. Its not like the girl directly to me, but no, i cant comment on that would you have come forward publicly if Stormy Daniels hadnt come forward . Do you think that made an impact on you i definitely think it made a little bit of an impact on me. It gives you more it takes a little bit of the fairway. However, i probably would have just because as im learning about this contract and the people involved in the way i was treated and all the behind the scenes, things that i wasnt whereabout and all the work im not getting which i contracted four. Yeah, i probably would have come forward if you didnt get what you were told in a contract workwise, when you Say Something chorus, do you have any do you have any regrets about the relationship . Did you say you had with him back then . Yeah the only regret i have about the relationship that i had with donald was the fact that he was married, if you werent married, i wouldnt have any regrets because he treated me very kind. He was very respectful as i told you, it was a Good Relationship while it happens. Now, had i known at the time there were supposedly all these other women no, i wouldnt have been in a relationship, but i didnt know that at the time. No, no regrets. Accept the fact that he was married. If Melania Trump is watching this, what would you want her to know its a tough one or say to her, yeah. What can you say except im sorry . Im sorry i wouldnt want it done to me im sorry does it for this Special Edition of ac30 60, the Karen Mcdougal, the interview. The news continues on cnn have a good night. Id fraud next Justice Samuel alito throwing his wife under the bus is pauls growth for him to recuse himself from any cases related to trump. 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