Full control of its territory . And go with a search for answers takes you Anderson Cooper, 360, weeknight today on cnn welcome to the whole story. Im Anderson Cooper last week, former President Donald Trump asked the Supreme Court to take up the issue of president ial immunity further delaying his federal criminal trial related to the 2020 election in the january for six attack on the capitol now the claim was already heard and rejected by a federal Appeals Court. Its now up to the highest court to decide to take the case or to let the ruling stand clear the way for this trial to begin. Now the timing is crucial because the former president is likely to become the republican nominee and he wants to delay the trial until after voters head to the polls in november charged with four counts of obstruction and conspiracy. But what exactly is he accused of doing to subvert the election . And is it his actions that matter or his intent . Over the next hour, cnn anchor and chief legal analyst laura coates, well lay out the facts. The federal indictment, most of which are undisputed by the former president and his attorneys. And examine the strengths and the weaknesses of the case against him. Today. An indictment was unsealed, charging donald j. Trump with conspiring to defraud the United States conspiring to disenfranchise voters and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding the attack on our Nations Capital on january 6, 2021 was an unprecedented assault. Ccl american democracy it was fueled by lies in august 2023, less than a year after Attorney GeneralMerrick Garland appointed jack smith as Special Counsel to investigate donald trump the former president was indicted on federal felony charges stemming from his efforts to overturn the 2020 president ial election. If you count the legal votes i easily win numerous times we found glitches and every single time that lh went 100 the biden trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges this indictment told her very cohesive story that former President Trump was responsible for the conspiracy to tell American Public that the election had been stolen. Big difference between losing winning, and having it stolen. That he used various mechanisms to push forward that big lie. And that it led to the attack on the capitol out of the gate page, one of the federal criminal indictment begins with a statement that donald trump has spent the past three years denying. The very first thing they said, donald trump lost the election. Thats the first statement and even before outlining the criminal charges, the Special Counsel chose to address trumps claim that the government has infringed on his First Amendment right to free speech the cases is a ridiculous cases. The First Amendment case, a Special Counsel makes it very clear that the words that more President Trump said he is it is allowed to save them but they can be used as evidenced to show intent. They can be used in court. Trump is charged with four felonies emanating from one set of facts established in the criminal indictment. The first one is a conspiracy to defraud the United States, essentially a conspiracy who steal the election from the United States and from the voters. The second and the third charts are obstruction and conspiracy to commit obstruction. And the just there as that Donald Trumps goal who wants to try to block or delay the counting of the electoral votes in congress then the fourth charge is a conspiracy against rights, which specifically means a conspiracy to deprive the American Voters of there, right to vote because he tried to steal flexion. That he actually had lost. We fight we fight like hell. One crime. Trump has not been charged with. We will stop the still insurrection i think jack smith wanted to keep his charges as straightforward and plain as possible. I think he realized that insurrection is harder to prove than obstruction or conspiracy to have to prove this intent to overthrow the United States government jack smiths indictment has only four counts whats behind that straight to the heart, like a cannon ball and the heart here is donald trump, not the people around him, not the people in the state state, which may explain why the indictment includes six unnamed unindicted coconspirators from trumps orbit even though the coconspirators are not named, the descriptors are specific enough to clearly reveal most, if not all, of their identities there are other reasons why Jack Smith May have declined to pursue indictments against the coconspirators. I do think one of the goals that jack smith had in charging the case, the way he did is to try to flip others like Tim Parlatore want to trumps former attorneys point to speed. Jack smith clearly wants to get this case tried before the election. Theres no way that jack smith is going to add a codefendant to this case because that will definitely push the trial out. Past the election with this trial, Time Is Of The Essence donald trump is the presumed republican nominee for president Jackson Smith for all the pushing hes done to try this case as quickly as possible. He has never and i believe well never acknowledged that he wants to try trump specifically before the election. I think he doesnt want that appearance of anything that might be interpreted as being political the 45 Page Indictment alleges in stunning detail exactly what donald trump did to remain in power much of which the American Public is familiar with from the january 6 committees investigation, President Trump relentlessly pursued multiple the Department Of Justice was able to take what we did and they had some more tools, they add some more ways to compel witnesses. And i think they have a lot more information. Everything weve been learning has been in sort of dribs and drabs and reports with the exception of when jack smith filed things Special Counsel, jack smith plans to present evidence, filings have tipped the public off to previously unknown aspects of the case, like allegations that a Trump Campaign employee sought to start a riot two boat obstruct the vote count in detroit. Is it safe to say that the indictment is the tip of an iceberg and what theyre really preparing to present at trial i think it is safe to say that the indictment is exactly that that it gives us a little bit of a vantage point. He wanted to tell a story, but i think at johns im sure after juncture, smith has earned on the side of staying sphinx like and not revealing which tracks with the Special Counsels reputation. Ive never seen a prosecutor who hates the camera as much as jack smith. And i mean that as a Compliment Tonic Ideal of the prosecutor would be somebody who has no interest in public profile, who just wants to keep his head down and do job. I think jack smith is that he certainly projecting that jack smith by reputation is a hard Driving Prosecutor to you. Ryan goodman a former Special Counsel at the department of defense, and a professor at nyu. He has gone after a political corruption on both sides of the aisle democrats and republicans, he is also somebody who served as a War Crimes Prosecutor and has indicted a sitting president in kosovo so heres that kind of an individual that moves fast and moves aggressively at the same time that also might come with some risks why is there some criticism that he overreaches . Well, if you look at jack smiths history, his three highest cases for this, all of them have failed either at the trial level or the appellate level. And so the criticism is, well, hes overeager, hes over anxious what is going to be one of the toughest hurdles for jack smiths team to overcome everything in this case will turn on what Donald TrumpsState Of Mind is and whether there was corrupt intent. All the facts they play down on National Television the speeches have been played millions of times. Here in georgia, there were Tens Of Thousands of illegal votes cast. So theres not gonna be that much in the way of District Feuded issues of fact, but its more of an interpretation. Our lecture was so corrupt that in the history of this country, weve never seen anything like it ultimately, the way that this case is going when have to be framed to a jury is the difference between trying to fraudulently overturn the will of the people verdict this is trying to do everything in your power to ensure that the will of the people was accurately counted we know hi, there was massive fraud. The prosecution alleges that trumps spread prolific lies about the election lies they say he knew were false. The Indictment Sites and exhaustive list of those surrounding the former president who told trump that his claims were untrue even mike pence, trumps loyal Vice President , told the then president he had seen no evidence of outcome determinative fraud why is that so important . Its important to lay out that the former president was told that he had lost the election because it goes back to that intent piece. Its important for the Special Counsel to establish that former President Trump knew or that are reasonable person would have known that they lost the election. Id were going to the capitol it is sent control because the fact that he knew means that all these things that happen leading up to january 6 and on january 6 had an intended goal, hadnt intended purpose, hadnt intended outcome. And that purpose was frankly the overthrow of the federal government and the invalidation of a legitimate election by the people, the United States of america thats chile coming up in the Legislature Gets to do what it wants. Had this rogue legal theory, theres overwhelming proof for fraud. The Pressure Campaign hits the swing states. 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Control of its territory and go with a search for answers takes you Anderson Cooper three, 60 weeknight today on cnn it was hello and of pressure on my colleagues on the republican side of the aisle to start in motion, something that would lead to donald trump being able to overturn the election by the time Georgia State senator elaine apparent attended a meeting at the State Capitol on december 3, 2020. Joe biden had already been declared the winner. She wondered why her peers across the aisle had hastily convened this meeting. I feared that we were going to be walking into an amplification of disinformation and Conspiracy Theories. And the De Feature Vote called the subcommittee of the judiciary to order ostensibly the meeting was called to address allegations theres a fraud in the president ial election the reality was much darker were you expecting to see members of trumps legal team at that meeting . Not at all. It was a total ambush and i was livid the election must be vacated and cannot be allowed to stand members of the president s legal team pushed wild unsubstantiated claims. Some of the most shocking were shown in a video. Trumps team falsely claimed that video was evidenced of fraud from Election Night ballot counting at the State Farm Arena in atlanta. Once everyone is gone, coaston clear they are going to pull ballots out from underneath a table and former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was there supporting the claims well, i dont have to be a genius to figure out what happened as the meeting unfolded, trump tweeted about the hearing amplifying the lies to his tens of millions of followers and then another member of the Trump Legal Team pushed a theory that took the meeting into dangerous New Territory my name is john eastman. Im a Professor Of Constitutional Law and former he had this rogue legal theory that if the legislature felt odd about the results of the election, it was argued it to seize the decision on who georgias electoral votes should go to, correct me if im wrong here, your argument is that essentially we have a failed election that would require the legislature to step in and assign electors. Am i correct . Yes. And thats when the purpose of the meeting became clear they thought that they could get officials there to call a special session throughout their electors. And appoint a on alternate set of electricity or fake electors Urine Attorney . Yes. What did you make a bet legal argument i thought it was totally bogus because it was very clear under georgia law that we had no such power during the hearing. Parent tweeted about being forced to listen to the trump teams Conspiracy Theories all of a sudden, i was going viral in these rightwing segments of twitter you would bring threatened. Oh yeah. Right away. Right away. Death threats, right away . State senator parent wasnt alone defending georgias free and Fair Election other georgia officials like Governor Brian Kemp and Attorney General chris carr, fielded in treaties from the president audio from Secretary Of StateBrad Raffensperger is our long phone call with the president was leaked. I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state you got to see a window into Donald Trumps heart he was willing to just push without facts or figures in elected official to do something illegal according to the indictment, georgia wasnt the only state targeted by trump. And his allies across other crucial swing states. Similar effort to overturn the election were occurring time and time again. Trump and his cohorts were stymied by local politicians many times, fellow republicans, like former Arizona House speaker rusty bowers, who got a call from trump and julian dani. You said that there is a legal theory are illegal ability in arizona that you can remove the electors of President Biden and replace them. And i said, ive never heard of any such thing. Trump also invited michigan republicans to the white house, where he raised already debunked theories about fraud in their state. Did you make the point to the president that you were not going to do anything that violated michigan law . I believe we did. I think that the words that i would have more likely use is were going to follow the law when it became clear, the pressure on the state and local officials was going to be unsuccessful. Trump and his allies set their sights on a new goal replacing the biden electors with those who would vote for trump at some stage, the fake electors plot might have actually been somewhat legitimate well, assisting with Trump Campaigns, legal efforts in wisconsin and attorney by the name of Kenneth Chesebro wrote a memo. The memo advocated electors for trump should meet and cast votes for the then president while the legitimate electors were doing the same for biden they wanted to file these documents on the idea that in case donald trump were to prevail and litigation then they could submit those certificates to congress the problem is that its switched at a certain important from contingent electors to false electors state and federal judges dismissed more than 50 lawsuits presented by trumps team challenging the election instead of the trump electors voting as a contingency should court cases prevail court cases became the cover to organize the electors it was a farce, it was just to keep the image up of the idea that this is being litigated in court, and therefore, its legitimate and it was not legitimate. They knew that they werent going to win the campaign was central to this effort. Because you cant pull this off without the apparatus of the Political Campaign four days before the electors were scheduled to vote. Kenneth chesebro sent the targeted states a streamlined version of the fake electors memo, and tractions and bogus electorate he had drafted a lot of these false electors at the state level were duped. They were told that it was contingent on litigation, but they were being lied to the Facility Paper Voting when legitimate electors in each state gathered on december 14, 2020, all 16 electors cast their ballots for joseph r. By biden fake electors met in seven swing states to falsify votes for trump from the state of arizona. Here by certified this is an organized effort to do something illegal to change the outcome of reality if somebody would have produced one ounce of legitimate proof that the election was rigged, all this is just called melt away in a heartbeat. But they havent chesbrough has since pleaded guilty to one felony in georgia for his role in the fake elector scheme. And is cooperating in another case in nevada up next, the Justice Department under siege donald trump was so desperate to hold onto power that he didnt care about the rules tomorrow. Story. The debate over transgender athletes. I believed they needed to sacrifice being trans in order to swim. We cant collect fairness and hopes to be inclusive the whole story with Anderson Cooper tomorrow at eight on cnn. Hey, there, brenda its carroll exactly. So which like are we operating on . You mean arm . Its all connected. Asking the right question, can greatly impact your future. You share your an orthopedist actually, im a sagittarius, especially when it comes to your finances. Give a question or us certified Financial Planner yes. Im a Cfp ProfessionalCop Professionals are committed to acting in your best interest. 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Theres ever been anything like it because donald trump was so desperate to hold onto power that he didnt care about the royals but leadership at the Department Of Justice did care about the rule polls and was not bending to the Pressure Leaders and Department Of Justice told the former president that there was no Outcome Determinant Fraud for them to launch sure investigation, to overturn the election. So as part of the Pressure Campaign and the permanent address, this this is where mr. Jeffrey clark kinda rose to prominence jeffrey. Clark is environmental lawyer lower level person at the department. He was a completely unremarkable figure at a january 6 committee hearing, former acting Attorney General, jeffrey rosen, testified about President Trumps call to him on Christmas Eve give 2020, that he mentioned jeff clarks name . Yes. Was something about did i know geoff clark or did i know who he was or Something Like that quizzical as, to how does the president even know mr. Clarke rozin confronted clark directing him to immediately stop having unauthorized contact with the white house but very next Morning Clark spoke on the phone again with donald trump hours later, trump phoned rozin who eventually asked then acting Deputy Attorney general, Richard Donoghue to join the call. So during this conversation, did did you take handwritten notes directly quoting the president . I did. So lets now put up the notes. Where were you quote the president , just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest of me in the republican congressman. He wanted them to plant a seed. He wanted them to at least leave the door open they told the president as long as they were in charge, they would not publicly back his false Election Fraud claims. So trump tried to ensure that they were no longer in charge he began to unveil his plan to appoint a new acting Attorney General people tell me geoff clark is great. I should put him in the rest of the dangerous scheme would be revealed to rosen and donoghue. The very next day. In an email sent to them by trumps alleged coconspirator for Jeffrey Clark that included this proposed letter this is a letter that he wanted them to send to the elected officials in georgia. The idea was to raise questions about the Election Results in georgia. And suggest to the governor there to call a special session how did rosen and donoghue respond to that letter there were shocked these were individuals who were actually responsible for looking into Election Security or election chen fraud or crimes of this nature. So for mr. Clarke as an environmental lawyer to be willing to say this in a letter. I believe that Special Counsel probably has evidenced directly the point, just like we collected in the january 6 committee, that he knowingly new them to not be true what do you think the effect of that letter would have been in your legislative branch . It would have been another break in the dam or another domino falling in the question, i have is what breaking the dam or domino that falls over, which is the one thats going to make the rest of them go disturbed by the letter donahue immediately responded to clarke writing, quote this would be a grave step for the department to take and it could have tremendous constitutional political, and social ramifications for the country. Do you imagine as a local elected official or local official getting a official letter from the Department Of Justice stressing that there were accusations and frankly evidence of corruption or evidence of votes been stolen. It would lead into another panic a new years eve, trumps summoned rosen donoghue, and others to the oval office. Again, he raised claims of Election Fraud once again, those Justice Department officials told him those claims were false. Trump didnt hide his anger toward the end of the meeting, the president again was getting very agitated and he said, people tell me i should just get rid of both of you. I should just remove you and make a change in leadership. Put geoff clark and maybe something will finally get done it wasnt long before trump did offer clark the position of Attorney General. And thats when clark tried one more time to get rosen and donoghue to sign the draft letter. He wanted sent to the Georgia State official scholz a letter full of lies. So you still refuse to sign and send that letter. I take it that thats right. I think mr. Donoghue and i were both im very consistent that there was no way we were going to sign the letter undeterred. Clark, move forward with the scheme to keep trump in office. He accepted the president s offer to become acting Attorney General on january 3, according to the indictment of donald trump later that same afternoon, the Deputy White House counsel warned clark that there was no evidence of Election Fraud. And if trump remained in office, nonetheless, there would be quote, riots every major city in the United States. To its clark responded, quote, well thats why theres an Insurrection Act that evening. There was a contentious threehour meeting with President Trump in the Oval Office Attendees included white house lawyers clark donoghue, and rosen except are some preliminaries the president turned to me and he said well, one thing we know is you rosen, you arent gonna do anything. You dont even agree with the claims of Election Fraud and this other guy at least might do something. The conversation this point was really about whether the president should remove jeff rosen and replace him with geoff clark. And everyone in the room. I think understood that that meant that letter would go out then trump asked, suppose i replace him jeff rosen with him, geoff clark. What would you do . And i said mr. President we resign immediately and i said mr. President within 244872 hours, you could have hundreds and hundreds of resignations of the leadership of your entire Justice Department because of your actions the whole plan here was to put enough doubt in peoples minds to give credence to possibly overturning the election when all of the Department Of Justice officials basically threatened to resign the former president realized that backed off of that plan and then turned his attention to january 6 up next, donald trump lied to gin up his people. You dont fight like hell youre not going to have a country anymore. He knew when youre surprised and upset, youre much more likely to commit violent nothing like it was ever documented. 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Big protests in dc on january 6, be there will be wild now we know there was more meaning behind those words that he used. It was a very meticulous planning that was happening behind the scenes, leading up to january 6, four days later, Trump Retweeted and later deleted a memo titled Operation Pence card john eastman drafted a similar plan to have mike pence reject the Election Results on january 6, the day congress was set to certify Bidens Electoral CollegeVictory John Eastman came up with a really kinda crazy legal theory where he tried to convince the Vice President that he had the authority to basically declare which slate of electors is accurate or to not accept a slate of electors. The constitution is very clear that he doesnt have that authority but for trump, he was a last desperate attempt to stay in the white house there were multiple steps here. I mean, part of it was to declare that there was fraud and then if you didnt do that too send it back to the states where he felt republican legislators would appoint new electors. That would then vote for him if not, that were he knew that he was going to have supporters coming into town to try to pressure pens to do one of these things but. The president began his Pressure Campaign immediately trump try to coerce pants on several private phone calls even on Christmas Day and then there was the public pressure on pants. Shes a great guy if he doesnt come through, i wont like it. What is much on january 5th, trump tweeted. The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors and he released a knowingly false Public Statement that the Vice President and i are in total agreement donald trump lied to gin up his people because he knew what mike pence was going to do and he wanted them to be surprised and upset because when youre surprised and upset, youre much more likely to violence or to do extreme things trump increased his pressure on pens with tweet starting at 1 00 a. M. On january 6 if Vice President mike pence comes through frehse, we will win the presidency based on, four years of seeing mike pence being very loyal. I think donald trump believe that in the end, he could get my pens to fold were diagonals contrary back as his supporters gathered for the rally from repeated these dangerous lies all Vice President pence has to do is send it back to the states to reason certify and we become president. And you are the happiest people then mike pence puts out his statement that says he does not have the authority to do anything the statement came out while the president was onstage urging his supporters to march march to the capitol we fight like hell. And if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore he knows that these people were his its most loyal followers. The hanging on every word of his and he told them to march to the capitol after his speech. Trump returned to the white house. He was watching the television coverage. He was impressed with how big this crowd was when riders breached the capitol trumps advisers told him to send out a message to calm the cloud he refused. Sarah matthews was Trumps Deputy press secretary at the time at what point did you begin to realize . How dangerous this had become we started seeing those initial interactions between some of the people arriving to the capital. And that was the first sign okay, wait, this could really escalate and this could escalate quickly at 2 24. Trump tweeted mike pence didnt have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country he was putting a target on his own Vice President s back. We thought that is pouring gasoline on the fire, right . We already had a situation that was kidding the control and the president s tweet just really inflamed it even more we can pinpoint the second that came out, the violence massively accelerated one minute later at 2 25. The Secret Service was forced to evacuate pence to a secure location. He did not care about his safety and the thing that kills me is that the Vice President s family was there at one point, the crush of the mob was only 50 ten feet away from mike pence and his small entourage not only did he just put out that tweet he also so told a witness who testified to us that in fact, donald trump said, well, maybe you should be hung for more than three hours. Trump refused to tell writers to leave if the capital, despite repeated pleas from his senior advisers what did he do absolutely. Nothing he didnt do anything for 187 minutes until he knew he couldnt win we had an election that was stolen from us the president finally relented at 4 17 p. M. When he released a video telling the rioters to go home, this was a fraudulent election, but we cant play into the hands of these people we have to have peace so go home. We love you. Youre very special. Former President Trump was responsible for the big lie. 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I mean, were standing in front of the white house the stakes in this trial are enormously consequential. The rule of law is It Sake The American democracy is at stake. We have never played at higher stakes us and john dean would know there was a cancer growing on the presidency. The former white House Counsel turned cooperating witness and the Watergate Scandal is remembered as the man who brought down former president Richard Nixon at the time. It was arguably the biggest scandal the presidency had ever faced. You said ones that you thought that the dark is days were behind us after the nixon Watergate Scandal is that still true . It is not true. I didnt think we would ever go back to worse than watergate, but we are there today. We have never been more threatened how strong is this case i think this is a good case, a strong case, but not necessarily an overwhelming case. The way these laws are being applied is novel and its not jack smiths fall, its because weve never seen anything like this in this trial most of the facts arent up for debate. Whenever youre doing any criminal case, intent is always a big part of it. Proving intent is always difficult. The indictment rises and falls on whether the jury believes that donald trump honestly thought there might have been Election Fraud or some Election Irregularity knowing him as well as i do. And in talking to many times, i believe if that he firmly believed that there were Election Irregularities that made a difference in the election what jack smith is going to have to show is that trump knew he lost the way you have to do that is primarily in this case, with testimony from people around him. I think were going to see parade of witnesses at this trial taking the stand, saying, i told donald know, unequivocal terms, he had lost this election. Isnt going to be difficult to meet this burden of proof. I never tried to case it wasnt difficult and thats the way our system was meant to be. Taking away somebodys liberty it should be hard and then Beyond A Reasonable Doubt is a tough burden or reach. What do you think is trumps strongest defense . I think that a laserfocused defense on he believed that there was fraud. Ive had jew elections. I won both up. Them. Its amazing and that every action he took was based on what he believed his obligations as the Chief Executive to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed. To ensure that the will of the people was accurately counted. I think that if he keeps a laser focus on that, that is where the case is winnable at trial. I think the advice of counsel is an important defense in the case. I can assure you he had many people, lawyers, and investigators, and otherwise telling him they absolutely could prove that there was Election Fraud. And i think he was entitled to trust those people whose council he chose to trust i dont think thats going to end up working for him. Why . Many other lawyers that he would point to or his coconspirators if your lawyers involved in the conspiracy, thats not going to work for you as a legal defense, the law is very specific about this if thats what you want to say, advice of counsel, you need to show everything you learned. That means not just eastman, but there were a lawyer after lawyer within his this inner circle who told him theres nothing here. You cant go forward and all the evidence suggests that trump just kept going and going and going until he could get the answer he wanted. There has been a sprint by the prosecution to have this trial heard as soon as possible. I think jack smith probably believes that at the American Public deserves an answer before they go to the ballots and decide who theyre voting for. And while there is an argument for the public to know the verdict before they cast a ballot. Theres also the issue of what happens if the trial is delayed and trump is reelected. The president can simply command the Department Of Justice. Close down this case. I dont need to give you a reason. So if a trial is going on and donald trump is inaugurated the Department Of Justice because simply dismiss the case even in the middle of trial. Not only could they they would be ordered to the plug is pulled all power goes down. Its over even if the trial moves forward. Trump can still be found guilty and win reelection. And as president , he may still have one gada jail free card he might try to pardon himself. Thats ever happened before. We dont actually know whether a president can or cannot do that. Pardon, power doesnt have any specific limitation what happens if donald trump loses . And hes convicted its a great question and in a way, the ultimate question in theory he is a normal citizen is there a world where an american president can go to prison . There is a world in which that could happen. I think itd be a horrible, horrible, mistake in this country, even if he were convicted. I dont know how they would do it every aspect of this case is messy because our system was not built with the anticipation of a president being criminally charge which is left a number of legal theories which have never been tested one major point of contention the issue of president ial immunity, which trump is currently appealing Donald Trumps claim here is that he cannot be prosecuted because what he did was within the scope of his job as president. I firmly believe the President Trump is entitled to immunity i believe that his conduct with respect to the election was within the official duties of a president a federal Appeals Court disagreed the threejudge panel ruled unanimously that trump is not immune from prosecution for alleged crimes he committed during during his presidency to reverse the 2020 Election Results, the argument that trump is totally immune is absurd. I mean, it is so contrary to american law and if you cant prosecute a president , four crimes, you dont have a fully functioning democracy based on the rule of law. The Supreme Court heard arguments on president ial immunity and is currently weighing the decision. While the court seemed ready to reject trumps claims of absolute immunity, there were signs at the justices were unlikely to fully resolve the issue and much of the job would fall back to lower courts. Further jeopardizing the trial proceeding before the election if you you were Donald Trumps attorney defending him in this case, what would worry you the Most Dc Jury The Political Tenor against donald trump is so strong and overwhelming in dc and that pocket of the country that its very difficult for him to get a fair trial. There, especially with all of the publicity cases are won and lost at the stage of jury selection. Because if you dont conduct that carefully to make sure you have a fair and objective jury youre dead before you even start third goal is to find 12 people who can be fair and neutral. And how many people have no particular view on donald trump . Lets pause it for example, than theres a hung jury thats not a lost. But guess what . In the system with all the buildup weve had, i think it will play as a loss and will occasion real reflection in the doj, whether to go again and all it takes is one juror. I think thats the hope to trump hangs onto. And he at least reaches somebody who ends up city in that jury. Do you think that he will be found guilty in this trial . I shutter if he doesnt get found guilty because i think that sends a message that if youre in power you can try anything to stay in power