Hour, the step counter, the sport matt and wireless remote we call now im Kayla Tausche at the white house, and this is cnn its thursday, may 9, right now on santa this morning may not accept the outcome of the election i promise you he wont President Biden predicting challenges from donald trump, if he loses again in november, were gonna have much more from that Cnn Exclusive Interview ahead trumps lawyers ready to escalate their attacks on Stormy Daniels when she takes the stand again in just a few hours and rfk jr. Claiming part of his brain was eaten by a worm . Yes, this is a real story this morning all right. 6 00 a. M. Here in washington, here is a live look at New York City where Stormy Daniels will be back on the stand today. Morning, everyone, im casey haunts. Its wonderful to have you with us. Donald trumps Hush Money Trial resumes in just a few hours with Stormy Daniels back on the stand. A source telling cnn the trumps lawyers are planning a longer and more forceful crossexamination to help protect trumps reputation. After daniels raise the possibility their alleged Sexual Encounter in 2006 wasnt entirely consensual. Are brynn is outside the courthouse in Lower Manhattan this morning with the latest brynn, what . Do you expect today yeah. Listen, casey, this is why the Defense Attorneys asked for the strouhal to be over with, asking the judge basically to rule because of what Stormy Daniels was testifying to. Of course, that was denied but we know that the Defense Attorneys were about 90 minutes into their cross its examination on tuesday when we last had cte and they still had more to go. They werent expecting to have a long crossexamination, but like you just said, after her testimony on direct and basically they said thats going to take a little bit wild longer because they want to restore the president , former president s credibility. They want to who makes sure they address the fact that they believed Stormy Daniels was insinuating to jurors that this was not a consensual relationship. So theres a little bit more to go with Stormy Daniels on the stand. And of course, after the defense is done, then were going to see redirect from the prosecutors. Now listen while she was on the stand, you know, there were some really bombshell moments, really people were taken aback by everything that she was saying. She was feisty when the defense was starting to question her with a break in the core, lets see how she is on the stand today. Does she seem more composed . Is the president more in tune into what she is saying as he was seeing sort of keeping his eyes closed as we have seen him in the past with other with other witnesses so yeah, thats what were expecting today and, you know, we dont know if shell finish on the stand today. It could be a Long De Of Testimony from her again, and its unclear who again is up next. But certainly we are waiting waiting here to see all right. Brynn gingras up for us. Thank you very much for that. Are at our panels here. Federal prosecutor Elliot Williams, my ball senior political correspondent, the wall street journal, former Trump Administration official. Sure. Michael singleton and meghan hayes, former special assistant to President Trump so lets just take a minute to recap where are we . Were President Biden, excuse me. Lift to recap where we were in this trial what we heard from Stormy Daniels. Theres no cameras in court. Of course. But its the retelling of an incident that daniels disclosed to Anderson Cooper in a 2018 interview . It started off all about him just talking about himself and hes like, have you seen my new magazine . He was showing you his own picture on the cover, right and so its like this. Does this normally work for you and he looked very is taken take it back like he didnt really understand. I was saying i was just talking about yourself normally burke and i was like someone should take that magazine and spank you with it. So he turned around and pulled his pants down a little. Now he had underwear on stuff and i just gave him a couple of slots okay. So Elliot Williams, maybe its a little too early for this couple swats. But what does it not exactly. I know but this change in strategy from trump, because what she expanded on from that story that she told anderson back in 2018, was this idea that she felt threatened, right . She acknowledged in the testimony that, yes, it was consensual. She didnt say no. But she talked about how there was this level of fear she talked about blacking out despite a lack of alcohol and drugs. And this seems to have motivated the trump team to say, hey, weve got to do something here to defend Donald Trumps reputation. Theyre going to do a longer cross examination. Is that smart . Its risky for them to do it. So the whole point of crossexamination is it always needs to save within the scope of the direct examination. You just attack a witness based don things that you heard in the prior examination. Now, usually crossexaminations tend to be shorter than direct examination. You keep it tight. A punchy like youve seen on television yes, no questions, leading questions, and then get out of there. The more you have a witness on the stand, even when you have Something Like this where theres a contradiction section, you run the risk of number one, opening up something that isnt great for your own sayyed. And number two, and this is far more acute here appearing to boolean badger the witness, and its not clear regardless of what we may say watching this from the outside, its not clear how the jury is reacting to her and an attorney sort of being seen as pushing too hard, fighting too hard with a witness can really backfire. So in many respects, yes, its probably worth a few questions to clean it up, but then get out of there because they have plenty of time to make arguments about what she says later on in trial yeah sure. Michael singleton, was it a mistake for the judge . Let all this come out into the courtroom . I think so this is salacious fodder, if you will. What does this have to do with the case where is the smoking gun here that yeah. Its embarrassing. The donald trump. It sounds bad. All the headlines, all the magazines that have been printed, were talking about it but what does this have to do with the alleged crime that theyre alleging the president , former president , committed. I think this feeds into his argument of being persecuted. I think it feeds into his argument. These are budget new york democrats coming after me because they dont like me and im not saying that. Thats an accurate arguments. Meghan, thanks to like, do you agree but dont meghan, by the way, is with former message to biden not trump. Thats my mistake dont you think though that this is going because he said that a fair never happened. And so this is just pointing out that he the lying like shes giving very explicit details to point out to people that he is actually lying. And if hes lying about this, what else is he lying about . If theres anyone out there who believes donald trump is an honest person, i have a so you no one believed. But that is totally fair. But in the court of law and a jury, they have to go on the facts. Theyre supposed to be impartial here and be giving him a fair trial. So i think that they are doing what they need to be doing. I mean, you are an expert at this. I definitely am not, but i feel like that is why theyre asking these details. Do i think its salacious . Yes. Do i think its unnecessary . Yes. But we are sitting on the outside. We are not in that jury box really quickly whether they had been liaison, whether you call it romantic, sexual, whatever else is a central fact at trial, you have to establish that there was some kind of relationship and that the Trump Campaign or pardon me, that the Trump Organization tried to suppress it from voters. Thats fine. Right . The question is, how much detail you need to provide about that. And were the prosecution just to say, did you have sex with that man, mr. Trump she could say yes. No further questions. Then the trump team could put on a witness that denied it. And now you have an equal dispute of facts, right . Right. You have to get some Additional Details out there on the record that makes it harder for the defense to rebut, but but again, to michael, im totally with you. Once you start getting into the realm of he had polygonal is of mac thanking him and he had pert plus but not but old spice is, but i just the extra details. I dont know how the jurys a quick last word to you. Well, its obviously as elliott was saying, its a different case for the jury than it is for the public. And thats part of the problem for trump is theres a public audience and theres the jury audience. Obviously, if they didnt believe that this had been somewhat damaging, they wouldnt be planning to go on the attack and try to restore his reputation. They obviously feel that for the audience both inside and outside the courtroom, this testimony was somewhat damaging. It its salacious and i think people are tired of a lot of this thats so many years old, but its also a reminder to the public of a lot of stuff that they havent heard about in awhile. Yeah, for sure. I had really stored this all very far reaches of my brain, wasnt expecting that revealing again, but here we are all doing it together. 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Monte, sundays at nine on cnn welcome back, President Biden, making headlines in an exclusive and wide ranging interview with cnn, warning israeli Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu, there will be consequences if he orders a major invasion of rafah ive made it clear that if they go into rafah, they havent gone in rafah yet. If they go into rafah im not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah. Ive made it clear to bibi and the war cabinet theyre not going to get our support if in fact they go on these Population Centers were not walking away from israels security. Rockaway, israels ability to wage war in those areas all right molly ball, this is a remarkable moment for President Biden mean this is the first time in american president has done anything along these lines in terms of israel, how do you see the significance of this . Its already rippling across israel ben gvir, the National Security itamar ben minister Itamar Ben Gvir went on x this morning and said hamas, hearts. Joe biden, i mean, this is new territory. Yeah, its clearly a Breaking Point in the already very, very afraid relationship between biden and netanyahu, between the us and israel and it tells you just how little he feels hes able to communicate with b be in private, right . This is a message that i think the us and the president have repeatedly tried to convey to the israelis privately and it clearly has not been successful and so theyve taken this, this quite extreme step to say, even though these weapons have been authorized by congress, were going to put a pause on them because weve told you not to do this the president is, in . An impossible situation here where hes already getting a lot of criticism, even from some democrats who are strongly pro israel at the same time, hes not getting any credit politically from the many on the left who feel hes been to accommodating to israel. And so the whole question for him is just what are the results of this . Conflict . How does this end up . I think thats where everything is going to what it hangs on. Megan hayes and this is a significant policy shift. Do you think hes going to get credit for it with the Progressive Left . And is it worth the risk that he is taking in terms of the us relationship with israel and look, the reality is theres a wide swath of the Democratic Party who are supportive of israel and who are not on the same sayyed as these campus protesters. So im not sure hes gonna get credit with the progressive. Im not sure its also a major policy shift. I think hes been saying for a long time, therell be consequences. I think just detailing out what those consequences are more broadly now, what hes doing, but i do think that he he genuinely cared about human life and he knows that theres an issue and in god that he is trying to protect more human life and he is saying we are not going to be complicit and youre killing more people. So its not necessarily a policy shift. I think this is where he has hes being more empathetic and hes showing that and i also disagree a little bit, but he doesnt say to netanyahu what hes doing. I think that they are having a lot of the private conversations, but i think hes now talking the American Public that these are the conversations were having and we are going to hold them accountable. This is a bit of a political conundrum for the president. Last night, bit i statement i didnt focus group with some jewish students last night to understand their experiences on this. And im not complete with the data, the qualitative data yet so over some of the things that hurt one jewish student last week, she said she was given a jewish flag by a Campus Organization and other students snacks to flag spit honore and called her dirty jew another jewish student talked about how an anthropology professor, wanted him to do a project, talking about how the palestinians were the real victims. And israel was committing genocide, as she said, well im jewish, i lost family during october 7, and the professor said, well, if you dont write the paper, youre going to fail the class. These students on, these jewish students are experiencing very terrible things. You have one student said, i wish i can just leave. I didnt come to college for this. And so i understand. No one wants innocent lives will be lost. What about jewish students who are having to traverse through College Campuses afraid of the lives hiding their Star Of David because they dont know if someones going to physically or verbally assault them. So these are very real things that i think the president , hes spoken a little bit on it, but it needs to be more direct and more firm or some of these universities, casey, need to also do a better job taking those jewish students . Because many of them are afraid . Yeah, we its fascinating perspective. Thank you very much for bringing that to us today. All right, come on up next here rfk jr. Claiming a worm eight part of his brain that is apparently a thing. We will talk about it plus y, this could be a much more difficult day on the stand for Stormy Daniels. And the olympic torch at the plane arriving on french soil, 79 days before the paris games begin. Chasing life. 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Allison, good morning. What are you seeing and good morning. Weve got a couple of tornado watches out there, so lets kinda break it down because theyve got different timelines to them. The one further to the west and includes most of alabama and areas of mississippi. That one is that one until 10 00 a. M. Central time today, the newer one, this is the one that includes the bulk of georgia, including atlanta, making it even augusta. That one is valid until 1 00 p. M. Eastern time this afternoon and its all because of this main line of storms that sliding through, weve got several severe thought under Storm Warnings are active at this moment. Thats what those orange boxes are. And this line is going to slowly make its way south and eastward in the coming hours, its not just severe potential, but also flooding all of these red boxes you see here are flash flood warnings, including a flash flood emergency that is just north of nashville where theyve had four to seven inches of rain. That is already fallen, and were still adding more rain on top of that, there will also be the continued threat for severe storms thats why we have the tornado watches in effect. But essentially all of this area you see here has the potential for some large to very large hail, possibly baseball size. We can also see some damaging winds and yes, even a few tornadoes and the tornadoes would likely just add to the already very high tornado count. We have just in the last 24 hours, weve had 13 Tornado Reports, 160 wind reports, and 100, hail reports, and that overall number is because of a very long stretch of days that we have had with Tornado Reports, we are now up to 323 total Tornado Reports since april 25th, casey. So its been a very long time since weve had a break, but the good news is, i think once we get to this weekend, we will finally start to see a lot of that Severe Weather calm back down all right. Hoping for that allison chin char for us, alison. Thanks very much. 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That they discovered a worm inside his brain likely a pork tapeworm larva, according to experts, the dead parasite ate a portion of his brain before dying. There and a this is what caused kennedys memory issues at the time, according to the New York Times, i will say we have been talking about this in the brain i dont know who wants to go first on what is going on here but ellie Elliot Williams, why dont i start with you. This obviously comes up in the context of his independent president ial bid for president and concerns about his health. But yeah, brain worms. Yeah. And to be clear we chuckle. Its not funny. Ultimately any, i mean, its awful. It is awful having a dead worm in your brain. I cant imagine having a live worm in my brain, any kind of worm anywhere. And i prayers tell and speedy recovery and all of that recovered from it now and thank god, hes fine. Now, i think theres a few things going on though. Its one how candid has his campaign been about his condition and healthy hasnt released his medical records. And i think particularly as the country is so intrigued by the egn health of the other people running for president. Its probably it would serve the Kennedy Campaign well to be more upfront about the shape hes in, i think the other thing is i remember the days of i smoked but didnt inhale. And now here we are with number one, ive had a brain brainwash firms, but also having shot heroin and all kinds of other business in his background like the standards for who can be a major president ial candidate who really changed eleia. Thats built, bill clinton. What is more for my time really work from really crazy. I dont even know what to say about this. It seems so unrealistic like an old movie from The 70s Is Hippie Guy who was having a lot of fun and wakes up its like dude, theres a worm in your brain, like, i just dont know where to go from this when i saw this trending last night, megan, i did not think this is a real story. And here we are this. Hes not a serious candidate. This is not a serious i mean, this is like just more stuff for us to talk about. Hes not a serious candidate like, lets be real like to your point, like this is not something that standards are so low on him that this doesnt i dont think people are paying attention to, right . Well, look, i think you had an opportunity to be a serious candidate, right . I mean, i think its why both major campaigns saw him and continued to see him as something of a threat. But we see him continuing to register really in Single Digits lets at best and most polls and i think thats because when you see a headline about rfk, it tends to be Something Like brain worms. Its not him going out there and giving a policy speech. Right . We had a fascinating expos a, on whats happening inside his campaign. And its a bunch of weirdos and drifters and people who are so afraid of Electromagnetic Radiation that they cant keep a microwave in the office. So like this not someone who has assembled like sort of Respectable Team of light heavyweights who are really trying to convince people that he could be a traditional president , right . I think thats part of the reason that you know, he is getting on some valets and both campaigns are still worried about him. Hes not been making the kind of inroads to even be like a ross perot to point out that was the point i wanted to pick up on its hes not a serious candidate. Everybody seems to be in agreement about that. But the other campaigns do appear to be at least concerned about what impact he could have. Id be curious from that side of the Table A Switch of a few Percentage Points in wisconsin, pennsylvania, nevada. Well, lets go with the arizona because hes on ballot there i mean, i think that we should do biden and his campaign should be looking at the nikki haley voters who continually appreciate outperforming. And she is not even running anymore and she continues to get anything. She had 120,000 votes in indiana. She got 150,000 votes in pennsylvania, like that is someone that the Biden Campaign should be focused on. Its converting those voters to him. I dont think based refocused on our way to that point. Im not exactly sure anymore if were going to see a pill off from either candidate, i think rfk turnout individuals who werent going to be engaged in the process, generally speaking, anyway, who may be sorted into some of his conspiratorial. Ill be on the unit. Sounds like trump voters. What biden, but im not but convince eleia to that question that either trump or President Biden would lose a substantial number of voters katie, i think these will be new folks. We werent going to vote at all. Were going to say now, my guys and im gonna vote for rfk. Yeah. Okay. So two things here. Rfk said thihis on the platform formerly known as twitter yesterday, quote i offered to eat five more brain worms and still beat President Trump and President Biden in a debate. So just, just so we have his response on the record, there but this broader kind of question that mali raised this in terms of the prospect that kennedy had to be a serious conversation here. I mean, he is from a storied political families, so many voters still know the name aim kennedy. That there was significant concern in in democratic circles about it, but he has come under attack from his own family, the Kennedy Family is rejecting his candidacy perhaps the person who has had the most interesting set of takes on this is jack schlossberg, who is the daughter or son, excuse me, of caroline kennedy, who has of course, daughter jfk watch what hes been doing on instagram hes lying to us for sure. Plus, i raised and you can always tell when a hot force being pumped full of testosterone narrowest doesnt make the horse think any better or run any faster. For apple doesnt always fall to close. Third Party Independent yes, freaking right . Hes got trumps dont as hes got trumps advises him in trump go away, freak him back kamali ball. Pretty remarkable. Well, it isnt. On the other hand, you also see the trump operation increasingly attacking him because they also see him as a threat because he does have this Crossover Appeal to some of those conspiratorial voters i think to share michaels point, what pollsters are seeing in this election is there isnt an unusual level of undecided and its those casual voters, it is those disaffected voters. Its a lot of young voters. Its a lot of sort of nonpartisan voters who dislike both major candidates. And i think there was the potential, there continues to be potential for an rfk like candidate to make inroads with that group. And honestly this sort of conspiratorial or the antivax stuff may not be that much of a hurdle to some of those people. And weve seen rfk get traction by really maximizing his platform going on every twobit podcast yes, there is, right . And seeking to appeal to that sort of interesting slice of the electorate. So i, by the way, he can say all of these things basically on challenged often exactly. Well. But thats what youre going to continue to see. The Biden Campaign trotting out Kennedy Family and others because they need people to know who he really lee is in their view and that he is not as he might appear, a representative of the Kennedy Family and its legacy. Yeah. More question does jfks grandson mocking accents and going after his uncle or cousin how does that what does that do for the Kennedy Familys image . Im actually we curious about that. I was thinking about. Is it a good luck with the testosterone in the horse . Its not a good luck and a lot of people will look at the Kennedy Family and say, look, these are democratic elites. Theyre a bit out of touch with us. Look how theyre making fun of the way we talk in sound. You really just stay away from that type of stuff. If youre trying to critique your career and i wouldnt go that and i think we have a different relationship with politicians today. Weve been talking about this for much of the show today, where things are just sort of looser almost grosser than they were. But much of the country on all sides has reverence for the Kennedy Family and how they behave and how they imported. And thats it now, its campbell and thats not camelot there now, maybe it doesnt need to be thats just interesting to see what i mean if you look back to the endorsement they did for the president a few weeks ago, that was like the story camelot, right . That was a very elegant, very great affair where they were very encouraging and of supporting president. 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Optimum all right. 44 minutes past the hour. Heres the morning round up. The biden administration, set to propose a new rule for asylum seekers. Today, were adding the two sources. It would allow Border Officials to more quickly reject some migrants, but it does still need to go through a Public Comment period. Disney and Warner Brothers discovery teaming up to offer a new streaming bundle this summer, bringing max, disney plus and hulu together for the first time. The companies trying to sell it as the best value in entertainment, but no price is available yet, and you have to denote Warner Brothers discovery is the Parent Company of cnn. Then theres this the faa investigating a Runway Incursion in orlando and americans fled air American Airlines flight forced to abort. Its takeoff while accelerating down the runway monday night after an air Traffic Controller told the crew of a frontier flight to taxi across the same runway and baron trump, selected by the florida gop as an atlarge delegate to the Republican National convention the former president s youngest son, joined by donald trump jr. Eric trump and tiffany trump. Who were also selected. Molly surprises, step it out in the spotlight like this. Hes been theyve been theyve tried to keep them private. Yeah. Yeah. Theyve always been very protective of him. Melanias especially wanting to try to shelter him from any kind of public attention. So this is really his, his debut as any kind of political actor. And itll be very interesting if hes going to follow his brothers into that into that spot. Yeah. And of course, trump wants to go to his graduation next week, so his trial is not going to be active that day. All right. Lets turn now to this nikki haley disappeared at the beginning of the march. March, and she still took home more than 20 of the vote, which means either a large chunk of indiana voters are not planning to vote for trump or mike pence voted 128,000 you may remember nikki haley, Donald Trumps former republican rival, sharing 21 of the vote in indianas republican primary, which was held on tuesday, despite the fact that she dropped out two months ago. And then of course, trump has effectively locked the Nomination Support for haley could be a warning sign that he is struggling to get some key he support from moderates in his party trump lost 16 to haley in the recent pennsylvania primary, he responded to those results by saying this lets a very small number because she was campaigning, she was spending millions of dollars. She was getting it from democrats, frankly, much, much of that money. All of those people are going to come to me because what whats first of all, What Statuary Is Biden is the worst president in the history of our country. Theyre all coming to me. We see it already theyre all coming to me all right. Joining me now is mark mckinnon, former adviser to George W Bush and john mccain, creator of paramounts the circus. Mark, thrilled to have you here good morning. Casey. How are you so lets talk about these haley voters. Indiana, obviously not a swing state, but it does give us a little bit of a window into some of the thinking of the midwest as too broadly which is going to be a key part of this. Were you surprised that that number was so high and we sort of stop talking about this because the republican primary is petered out. But how much of a problem do you see this as being for trump in a persistent way as we had to november i think its potentially very significant and erase that could be decided literally by 10,000 votes or so. Nikki haleys getting she got to 150,000 votes in pennsylvania and so for somebody whos not technically technically on the ballot, you took her view. She said she wasnt running and to get almost a quarter of the republican vote so the issue is are those voters who voted for nikki haley going to come back and vote for trump, but they didnt vote for him in a republican primary. I dont think so. I think theyre either not going to vote, theyre going to vote for joe biden, but i dont think theyre going to donald trump. So i think that is a persistent problem that could be a big issue for donald trump in the fall mark, if youre the Biden Campaign, how should you be in your view thinking about the tension that exists between this group of voters, right . These nikki haley voters, that as you say, could be guessable by President Biden. And the issues that they have with the base on the Progressive Left because we saw in this Cnn Exclusive Interview, biden saying hes going to win. He is withholding arms from israel. Hes going to continue to do it if they invade rafah. Thats really about this Progressive Left thats really pushing him on this issue. But haley voters tend to be in a different place on that particular question. If your them, what do you do . Yeah. Listen, if im if im the Biden Campaign and id be more interested in getting haley voters and i am the Progressive Left at the end of the day, you have to count on the Progressive Left coming home. They definitely have nowhere to go. Theyre not going to theyre definitely not going to go up or down trump. But the margin of victory for joe biden in 2020 was and should be in 2024. Those independent or soft Republican Voters who are haley voters. So i would look at a strategy that increasingly appeals to the haley voters rather than the Progressive Left yeah, biden also talked a little bit about the economy with erin burnett, and he basically said he said falsely that inflation was 9 when he came into office, it wasnt, it was down around 1. 6. It hit 9 in june of 2022, and he keeps saying, look weve, weve fix the economy, but thats not lining up with where voters are. What were you surprised about how he handled that question and how do you think he should be looking at this well, listen first of all, i think its good that hes doing interviews. He needs to be visible. Listen, theres 100 days left. Hes got to be out there every single day bang and the drums loudly as he can especially on the economy, which is a fundamental issue for voters. Of course the line that i like that i thought was really good was he put it right to trump when he said trump has never, never succeeded in creating jobs, ive never failed. Thats a good message, and thats going to get under Donald Trumps skin, which is where do you want to go up your joe biden yes. Getting under his can clearly provokes him to do things that his Campaign Advisers would probably wish. That he didnt biden was also asked and i want to show this to you about what advice he was getting from former president obama about this race. Take a look peep doing. Im doing to make sure what his advice is. Shame in front again Vice President , look, youve got to organize Block And Tackle people knocking on doors, putting up signs what do you read into that there . Because theres some theres some theres a backstory, right. Between former president obama and current President Biden in terms of now honestly, credit for accomplishments, kind of level of significance of their various presidencies. What is your read into how he answered that question . Well yeah, it looks these a little prickly about it, but thats theres generally some tension between presence and Vice President s. But listen, if obama is a twotime winner i know how hard it is to get reelected as president in our current era. Its tough and so i would take any advice that obama has, and hes right about the blocking and tackling this race is going to come down to three states and thousands of votes. So this is going to be all about just picking off one voter at a time and just play it like the green bay packers, i think obamas got it right. Yeah. I mean, it look, ive from my heres a covering campaigns. Ive become a big believer in in campaigns mattering, right . And i know youve run them. So i think that probably makes sense to you as well in that blocking and tackling situation, mark, since weve got this Stormy Daniels back on the stand today, im really very interested in your perspective on how so that testimony that we saw from her is or isnt going to impact the election and weve weve also learned at cnn that theyre going to do a more aggressive crossexamination than they had previously planned. In part because of the suggestions that were made that the encounter may not have been entirely consensual and then Stormy Daniel said it was, but she also kind of outlined ways in which she felt kind of coerced or threatened in terms of how she told the story. I mean, what impact does this have broadly on voters . If any . And what do you thing were going to see from the Trump Legal Team today and how could that change things . Well, number one, im throwing out all my old spice. Number two, im not sure it was smart to put Stormy Daniels on the stand that the issue of sex is not in question for the jury, they dont want be surprised, be paid not to have sex. But in the end, more broadly, is, does this have an impact on the election in an election where again, its going to come down three states and thousands of votes at the end of the day, even though its a trial where a lot of people say, i wasnt that big a deal. Porn actress consensual sex, blah, blah. Hes still could be found guilty and a president of a nominee of a Party Running for president , who has been found guilty of a crime. Could that affect enough votes to swing the election . On this tight . Yep fair enough. Mark mckinnon for us this morning, mark, i always very grateful. Tax case active on the show. Thanks for being here as we were just discussing Stormy Daniels is headed back to the Witness Stand in Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial in just a few hours with the former president s legal team crossexamining the adult film star are a source telling cnn that trumps lawyers are planning a longer and more harsh crossexamination to help protect trumps reputation after daniels raised the possibility that her alleged 22,006 Sexual Encounter with trump was not entirely consensual. She told us accusers on tuesday that after agreeing to have dinner with trump, he greeted her at his hotel silk or satin pajamas with daniels adding that she joked with trump. Does mr. Hefner know you stole his pajamas and later after daniels went to the bathroom, trump was on the bed between her and the exit in just a tshirt and boxer shorts. Daniels also detailed and incident involving a magazine that she previously disclosed to Anderson Cooper in 2018 interview it started off all about him just talking about himself and hes like, have you seen my new magazine . He was showing you his own picture on the cover right and so its like this. Does this normally work for you . And he looked various taken take it back like he didnt really understand. I was saying i was just talking about yourself normally work and i was like someone should take that magazine and spank you with it. So he turned around and fold his pants down a little. He had underwear on stuff and i just gave them a couple of slots a couple of slots Elliot Williams i love mark mckinnon, love, love, love, but i have to push back on. Great. Do it said, which is that its not in debate that they had sex and know it may not be in debate to any of us, but prosecutors have to with stab wish every fact as charged or alleged in front of the jury. And that includes whether two people who the public knows had sex have sex. And it was important to put some witness on who could bring you into the room. Again, we can debate till the end of the time whether spanking on the butt with a Time Magazine is a necessary fact for the public now, but they had to put that witness on full stop, ray. But did you say yeah, go ahead and Time Magazine Reporter Thing i believe. Yeah. Formerly time, i dont know if we know that it was Time Magazine, but you really, i think it was forbes magazine, city of print we have these objects around. You cant do that with a phone, with a Computer Magazines me, print journalism. Were their doors. Print journalism here. Okay. At this show the real point of all that right, obviously im sure michael, we to lie. I mean, look, hes ali. Ali, it has made this point this morning that Stormy Daniels had to be on the stand the details of it though we really need the details. I mean no hole better but you know what i got, i do have to be honest, this is me taking off my political strategies, had this was really interesting. I mean, ive talked to so many people who were just like, wow, like holy smoke like this. Its really former president some people were interested in the fact that he and the former first lady didnt sleep they embed together same room so there are some interesting facts that have come out of this. Will it move the political needle on not necessarily sure, but holy smoke. Thats a really good point because weve heard reports from inside the room. We obviously dont know how any of this is playing with the jury. They were transfixed by this testimony and these are the sorts of Human Details that people who are not into politics do tend to pick up and perceive and notice. Yeah, i mean, look, i will say and this is firmly in the anecdote or realm. Im just going to like full disclosure, but i was sitting at a bar on happy hour time one day this week and meghan, his the they werent they were talking about the bartender was talking about it with a couple of people down the way. Im sort of eavesdropped now they werent comparing it to bill clinton and saying, well, this is nothing compared to that or whatever they clearly were i think the politics were clearly on the right, not the left in terms of this conversation, but it is breaking through in that way thank you for that i agree. I do think it is breaking through. It also goes to show donald trump character, which i think its important whether or not, whether whatever side of the aisle youre on, it goes to show his character in it and build some perception there. I think if they werent worried about his character at this point, they would not be crossexamining her for as long as they want to do today, right . Well, i mean, look, on a serious note, the New York Times kind of framed it this way in terms of the jury and what the jury is going lets see, having lived in the same culture as all of us and potentially being inured to whats going on. They say, quote, the problem is the damage done to American Society over the past nine years. A sense of lowered expectations about politics that affects all of us, including those of us selected for jury duty. Trump managed to do exactly what many farsighted people warrant he would, in your large parts of the public, to his depredations against honesty, integrity, and decency. He has an effect increased our tolerance for inexcusable behavior by our leaders. And they argue elliot that this applies to the jury absolutely applies the jury and a beat me to it because it was the next thing in my head which is that we have become desensitized its in this country, maybe its donald trump, maybe it started with bill clinton, maybe its a combination, something in the water, but desensitized to the madness that comes out of politicians and listening to this, it is, and were talking about this in the break that the starr report when it came out was so seismic hearing about that cigar in that dress and so on, and buying he now its the president got spanked with the magazine fertile that role that they knew and its, its, its almost depressing and embarrassing about where politics of sunk in American Politics caught up with sort of our culture, right . In terms of reality tv, this sort of be in the norm. Yeah, very quickly is where i want an election since 2016, so its not the case that people are coming out of the woodwork to say this is fine with me its a great way to putu