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A very revealing de, as you see there cases its totally falling apart i mean, big de is an understatement, but looking past the trump spin, distort daniels move the needle and favor of the prosecution . Or the defense . Welcome to a Special Edition of laura coates, live alongside api fella right here in new york and log date 13 of trumps Manhattan Hush Money Trial is now officially in the books. And it did not disappoint for nearly four hours. Adult film actors and directors for me, daniels was on the stand just a few feet away from drum there. First phase two Phase Encounter in years and yes she went there taking us all instead of Lake Tahoe Hotel room where she alleges the two had sex back in 2006, now, trump says is absolutely never happened but his past niles did not stop her from painting quite the picture. It was salacious. It was uncomfortable and it was compelling. The former president watched with rapt attention. He was more invested than we have seen him at this trial. He was leading in to watch daniels is testimony. He was urging his attorneys to make a objections. The one thing that is for sure though this testimony is what he certainly did not want the world to hear during some of the most lurid moments he was scowling, shaking his head even audibly cursing at points moments like these with prosecutors, Susan Hoffinger asking, can you briefly describe where you had sex with him . Daniels response. The next thing i know i was on the beds somehow on the opposite side of the bad from where he had been standing. And i had my clothes off. I believe mai brar, however, was still on we were in The Missionary Position Defense Attorneys Susan Nechele objected was judge merchan sustaining that objection . That the flurry of objections going on from there as the Exchange Went on of allegedly happened in that Lake Tahoe Hotel room, got more and more explicit, even judge merchan appeared irritated at points telling prosecutors the degree of detail that was happening, there was just on necessary trumps defense team tried to push for a mistrial after the break request that the judge ultimately rejected. Now, actually, you know, when trump their team got their chance at crossexamination. It was fireworks. I mean, Defense Attorney necklace asking daniels if she hates trump, to which she admitted you simply . Yes. And she sees on this moment repeatedly trying to undermine your credibility. And of course, her motivations, even at one point, she accused daniels of trying to extort money from trump with daniels loudly replying, quote, false there was a lot of hype, many up to this testimony as you all know, and you may wonder, how did she present to the jury how would she and how would she actually act on the stand . But the ultimate question is this and its for the jurors. How did they see all of todays drama . Well, they draw connections between what she has said in the stand and the actual charges against trump, which is the falsification of Business Records. And if you thought, by the way, today was wild while you best buckle up, because stormy is back on the stand on thursday i, want to bring in former Deputy Attorney general, henry libman, washington correspondent for new york magazine, olivia anansi. Cnn league allows a criminal offense, tourney, joey jacksons legal analysts and former federal prosecutor, jennifer rodriguez, and see how they commentator and former Trump White House lawyer, jim schulte. Weve got a whole Law School Law firm happening. You count two what . I love represent the jury. Im the layman. What we want to hear from, but hara you were in the courtroom today and i am dying to know. I need you to paint a picture here because when stormy first walked into that courtroom was like, oh, was it like yeah, you know we knew she was coming before the jury did because the da or excuse me, the defense had brought up some objection. So we knew the next words were going to hear. Phrase that people call Stormy Daniels, which is what they did say, not Stephanie Clifford and the jury. There was visible, but silent kind of excitement and they were really focused. Theyve been hearing about it from every different sayyed for 12 days. Right. And they were completely focused. This was the woman at the center of the whole storm as it had been detailed by the di and they were they were zeroed in her basal expressions like did she appear to be smug, nervous uncomfortable, confident what great question i would if i have to go with one of those, i go with nervous does she answered pretty long she did a lot of quips that didnt always land. She was intelligent and she detailed a whole kind of hardscrabble life that ended with a lot of achievements before she gets into end, even after she gets into adult films. But i think her one of the ways that she got in trouble with the judge and some of these extraneous details that obviously irked him at one point, he made his own objection and sustained. It was by going too far outside the question he later had Hoffinger Merchant take her back and just tell her shorter answers, please listen to the question and the like. So nervous comments about what i mean, i ive been ive been polite. Let me get to this next part what were the moments that made them . I dont know. I mean, it was like almost i did my tell me about the point how the jury was reactant when she was describing the details of being in that hotel room when she actually got to the alleged sexual encounter with what was their Body Language lab. Where are they leaning in where they were they with her . Yeah. So i was looking very carefully at when the best things about being in the court room you can really see them. And i got to say, i wasnt sure it was sort of three three or four. This way and a few more back and that core part of the story. And there are a lot of objections happening at the time for the reasons youre talking about a merchan is very worried that some of the details would be prejudicial to trumps. So the rhythm was a little bit arrested at the same time, but i found myself more than with any the witness in the trial, not clear. I think they believed are basic story and she substantiated what she had to say, but were they width or in a way that a really matter when they get into the jury room, did they like or it wasnt clear to me one way or another, olivia, ive been harry was there, but, you know, Stormy Daniels when shes not on a Witness Stand, what is she actually like do you get the sense from reading the transcript that that came across to the jury . Or is it that whoever she really is is something that might come across as inauthentic to a jury. She is a cool, thoughtful person. She is really smart, very shrewd very thoughtful, and she talks with a lot of nuance about this experience and about most other experiences in her life. Hi said ive ive heard her talk about ive never felt that shes read as fake or putting on any type of front sometimes to a fault, frankly, i dont know how that plays no. In a courtroom, we were talking earlier about her evolution, about how she was thinking about the Power Dynamics between herself and the defendant that former president thats one thing when youre just having a conversation with somebody or when youre talking to a magazine or youre talking on a podcast. I think that might read quite differently in accord and might be rather confusing. Yeah, we look at this and thinking about how this all plays. Jennifer want to bring you in here because this is about documents mean jims already like yes, its the documents were zagging whether this is a documents case but if there are some method to the madness of having her describe with detail and particularity what happened as she alleges in the hotel room is, it to try to buttress for credibility and her memory . Well as the prosecution argued, when we have this miss trial motion, it all goes to his intent, like, why did he so badly want the story not to come out, right . Because its salacious. I mean, look at the reactions that hair hes talking about from the jurors. I mean, everyone ones perking up and listening this is what he never wanted to get out there. This is why he was so intent on making sure that she had to be quieted, that she had to be hushed up with this hush money payments. So that was part of it. I mean, they also of course, wanted her to corroborate some of what the jurys already heard from david pecker, from keith davidson, the lawyer. What Michael Cohen will say when he gets on the stand. So thats another part of the reason, but the piece about the sex and i dont think prosecutors necessarily wanted her to go into all that detail. I think they miss stepped a little bit there and didnt get her under control like they frankly should have done. But to the extent that they are defending, getting into that all thats how they do it. I mean, part of what we were hearing from the courtroom that it wasnt so much of prosecution was asking her questions after question to get that widened scope, but that she was giving longwinded answers that got to the point they were supposed to avoid. Yeah. I think the judge even said like answer the question thats asked, right. So i think that was him trying to gain control of that. He hadnt what he had to go back with the lawyer. I think youre right. I think theyre trying to theyre trying to portray this as this is something that donald trump never wanted to see come to light. And i think they did that. They got that job done today. They may have risked some appellate issues longterm from doing so. And i dont think the prosecution was trying to go that far, but they lost control of it. Yeah. I mean, the defense stormy im glad you said that because i want to be clear here. This is not some stormy has her story, but its a question of the prosecutors, their strategy and how they executed it. Thats really it issue. No, no question about it, abby, but she has a story to tell and i think she wanted to be heard and to the extent that people would have believed that there was no affair or no connection or interaction or however you want to frame it. She had a lot to say about that. And i think theres a certain process that she had to go through in stating herpes. Yes. You Prep Witnesses as a prosecutor . Yes. You give them not tonight a script, but you certainly let them know the areas youre going to go into. You talk about if theres going to be any exhibits introduced three, you have thatll happen. But i think she wanted to tell her story and i think the devil is always in the details and by given those details, i think it gives It Credibility when you talk about sat pajamas, you talk about boxers, you talk about milan. Yeah. You talk about other things. It gives it contexts, it gives it perspective. Did she potentially save too much . Okay. Thats open. Patient, but i think the core nature of this with trump denying denying it didnt happen as look, im not a liar. I have my reputation to protect two. And whats not in dispute is that there was a payment to be made. Whats not in dispute as it was 130,000. Whats not in dispute is the fact that she dealt with an interacted with Michael Coleman and get this deal done . And so i think she was there to tell her story, tell it loudly, tell it clearly, and say whatever you think about me. This is what occurred something that has really bothered her over these years that shes been a public figure associated with donald trump these last six years it doesnt matter to his base, it doesnt matter to a certain and persuadable faction of the American Public doesnt matter how many times she corrects to record how many times she tells him that the wrong about whatever it is that they believe about her the facts dont matter. They are impervious to facts. So i think this seems probably like an opportunity to definitively state what the story is yeah. And you know, when you look at theres a moment and we talked about the prep. It seemed like nicholas who was the Defense Counsel for donald trump, she began her cross with the idea of you rehearse these moments. Thats how they began. This is not it wasnt easing into the tension. It was confrontational from the beginning and i guess show me it was very clear of know if youre implying rehearsal as mean. I have not been prepped, but i have been told what to say. Thats not what happened here. Talk to me about that interaction between niclas and swami because up till now, we havent actually seen real hostility between council, witness. Yeah, this was his dramatic as weve seen, what you just settler happen 15 times where niclas goes for broke and rather than as youre sort of taught, you go up to the line of making the point and then go to the next one. She said and youre really lying about this. She continually assert herded the kind of final insinuation and basically every time dana said, no false and arrested her rhythm very discernibly. Plus there were a lot of objections. So rhythm is the soul of crossexamination. She should be going quick. She should be drawing a yes to every answer and instead was much more sort of staggered and i felt ineffective for that reason. She went for broke. I think in advisedly, heres one interaction with Susan Niclas Bid seem to break throughs. This was with storming. She says, you were looking to get to get extort money from president trump, right . Stormy says false nicholas as well thats what you did, right . Stormy says false, but its not false that she got money from president trumps. You didnt extort it . I sure. Its not rhie, but she playing when thats illegal its a very significant thing if you want to talk about nondisclosure agreements which are lawful and legal, i have a story get it. You want to pay me for my silence particularly appropriate. Shes not extorting or stealing or getting anything under false pretenses. He has an absolute right not to engage in that type of contractual arrangement. He did engage in a contractual arrangement. The critical issue here is what was the purpose and intent . Was he in tap thing to protect his family . Was he attempting to do deceive the electorate . And i think thats the critical question. Ultimately, abby, laura, that the jury has to come to a determination of did you falsify these Business Records, ledgers, checks, right invoices for the purpose of what the intent of concealing the hiding of this from the public so that what we all know now very well wouldnt have gotten now before the election and potentially affected his Electoral Process please go ahead. Is always maintain that money was not the objective that maybe it was a bonus, but that was not why she signed this agreement in whos telling it good for today on that point though, right then revision was shifting over time in her telling over the years, its been pretty consistent she did not want the story out for a number of personal reasons, and ultimately she came to fear her for her safety after this encounter in a parking lot in las vegas when someone threatened her . We dont know who and she she has never said that she knows who to tell her to be silent ultimately donald trump is to one with more to lose, obviously, which is why he allegedly sign this agreement and bought her silence but shes always maintained she was successful. She was successful at a pretty early age in her field. She was a director, she was an actress she had multiple homes. She testified today that she was not looking for a payout and she was not negotiating this payout. Schick, its haggling to get a better deal. So of hands or who remembers the Trump Presidency chaos . Well what is happening right is Cast Of Characters De have my everyone, were gonna get back to you as well. It was a wild de with wild testimony and even the judge said that some of it was unnecessary. Sorry. So the question weve been doing around here, did the prosecution go too far . Well, the retired new york judge who was in court joins me next the. 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Co i Melies Nonna In Washington and this is cnn the testimony from Stormy Daniels triggering questions about who was really in control of the court during Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial. Judge one, were shunting that some people may have felt some kind of way about daniels testimony saying, quote, there were some things that probably wouldve been better left unsaid trumps attorneys arguing the salacious details about the alleged affair between daniels and trump violated court rules. They even moved to have the entire case dismissed. Now, the judge, of course, toss that motion, but he did tell prosecutors this. I think the degree of detail were going into here is just unnecessary but judge, merchan worn they he may have to embarrass trump if his attorneys cant control him, saying, quote, i understand that your client is upset at this point, but he is cursing audibly and he is shaking his head visually and mats contemptuous. It has the potential to intimidate the witness and the jury can see that joining me now, judge george grosso, retired Queens County Supreme Court judge judge. Thank you so much for being here, but you were there earlier today in the court, talked to me about how you view judge, were seans control of the courtroom . I think it was perfect. Its a matter of fact, when we came back after the lunch break and mr. Blanche got up and requested a miss the first thing i thought of is something that the judge said rather promptly. In pushing back on that a bit, he said, i would have thought you would have been objecting one the judge was doing suh of spawns a objections. The judge was in control. But theres a balance. Its not the judges job to do the Defense Attorneys job so i was part of this thing i had in the back of my mind with a laying back and not objecting. So they might think they would have a stronger issue that try and go for a mistrial or were they just not doing the job that the way they should do the job, but the judge did his job as far as salacious snus i dont know. I mean, i would i was there. I saw the whole thing. I would give it like a pg 13 really. There were certain things that she was saying where i think that they really should have objected. She was saying things like how she was feeling i felt like i was going to blackout jump up object i dont know that it would be appropriate that shes testing, testifying about her feelings in this context, but they just let her go. So several times, the judge stepped in the defense was unnaturally quiet, and then they came in looking for a mistrial. So i think the judge is doing a great job. Controlling his courtroom and it made the right ruling. Its i have, to tell you. I was surprised, particularly that there were not more objections being raised by the the way we know theyre allowed to have socalled Speaking Objections where theyre doing the Television Moment where they say object and they may give you a paragraph as to all the reasons why they want the jury to hear it, right. But as you can imagine, there are instances that you want to make a point and risk the slap on the wrist from a judge about a statement youre trying to convey to the jury . I was surprised about that, but there was this moment the dodge blend saying there was no way to Unring The Bell because they were there were some insinuation that this was not consensual. Although she was saying it was there were other statements are being made. How did you feel about that leyen of testimony . Did that raise sufficient pause that he could say the bell had not been on rung well, it certainly thats what i was taught are referring to when i said she was talked testifying to what she was thinking. Right. It certainly in my opinion, would have been a sustainable objection. But for the Defense Counsel to sit back not object, and then come back with the bell. Has camping on wrong. And lets just do a miss a miss trial is an extraordinary remedy. So no, i dont think it rose to that level. And the judge made everything very clear and then it seemed that they were more on the bowl furthermore, where they did object i would say during during Stormy Daniels testimony that were getting at 90 of their objection sustained so they could never turn around and say, well, judge, we object and youll ignore us. Quite the contrary was true well there is a moment two and the miss trial, as you mentioned, an extraordinary remedy oftentimes not granted, but there is also a moment at the conclusion of the prosecutions case in chief, where the defense can say, youre honore, there has been no chance at meeting their burden of proof we dont need to put on a case here that were the case right now, in the defense is well within their rights at the close of the presentation, the governments evidenced to do this. If all that you have heard so far is what the case is, would you entertain a motion . Well, we got to get to the point where the people close their case in chief before i could give a definitive response to that, i will say i think that this is a very viable case. I think, judge, more initial ruling i think is decision was on february 15, upholding the grand jury indictment . I think in the context of the way this case was laid out. And then the context of what the people promised they would do and their opening statement. I think theyre putting on a very, very strong case. I think the issue isnt going to be the case being dismissed at the close of the case. I think theyre a long way that closing that up. But the issue is going to be is this going to be beyond a reasonable doubt for 12 jurors and i believe very strongly Michael Cohen is going to be the key. Weve had several witnesses that have brought us to the door of thinking that, hey, this may be a case that goes beyond a reasonable cout a reasonable doubt but its going to be Michael Cohen thats going to have to take us take the jury through that door and ultimately Connect The Dots with defendant trump and if he does that, i think the likelihood will be high for a conviction if Michael Cohen falters i think the likelihood will be high for at least a miss trial. So thats my view on where we are right now. And storage grass, so thank you so much for joining us pleasure to be with you. Thank you for having me i want to bring back in our panel because thats a Lot Riding On Michael got it. All right. Yeah. I mean, hes the one that has to make the connection between the payment the business record, if hes not making it nobody elses and if they dont believe him, this case goes down. So i mean, a lot rides on him. Were going to see a lot tomorrow in terms of crossexamined eight further crossexamination. Stormy daniels, i think theyll continue down this narrative of that she was going after the money that she had, that she was concerned that she needed the money before the election, right . That was that was some of the evidence thats put on so far. I think youre going to see more and more of that. Was the idea that they cross examiner and he to say yes, id like to see him put in prison and that they brought up the tweets saying she would do a dance if that happened, i think thats all stuff thats going to be good for the defense. But again, this is not making the connection to the Business Records at the end of the day, Michael Cohen has to do that and its all riding on his credibility. You have to imagine that whatever happens with the rest of Stormy Daniels testimony, Michael Cones testimony can not go the way that this has gone with the mistakes on both sides from the prosecutors and the defense. Both sides have to clean up their house by the time they get to that witness because he is of all the characters he has so much baggage with donald trump. He has, he is such a colorful personality. Its like Stormy Daniels times ted michael ill see if he can control himself. I mean, really the issue is going to be they have what they had for stormy plus, like you said, more tweets, more podcasts, more tv appearances, more stuff. Hes just going to have to be ready to just when they put it up, you say yep, i said that. Yep. I said that. Yep. I said that but im telling you the truth and heres how you know the problem is. They would have had allan weiss, wilber in a different world where he didnt perjured themselves and get sent back to prison, but they cant bring him back again at this trial because presumably hell do the same thing again and just lie on the stand. So i dont know if theres anyone other than Michael Cohen and Alan Weisberg who actually have that direct . Yes. I had a conversation with trump about this reimbursement scheme. We dont know. I mean, unless theres some surprise out there, those are the two guys, which means Michael Cohen is your only available one. They have weisberg in some part though, that riding were yslow burglary, is it all notice . I think its the biggest document in the case. Its obviously his doing so at that point, its really got to be the Defense Theory if they have one that somehow yslow bergen cohen conspired without trumps knowledge. Thats a heavy load to lift. Now i want to point out to you. I want i mean, we obviously dont have any the audio or visual into the courtroom. Were getting a lot of from the transcripts and the judge pointing out thats you of course, the judge pointing out that the jury could visibly see if trump was being contemptuous. Lets just look at this a little bit of a graphic we have here to bring everyone inside the courtroom. Where this is what it looks like maya saw the chip pain. But if you go inside, youve got donald trump. If there were that circle is sitting there. Youve got the Witness Stand on the other side of the judge and the jury box to the far right with those at jurors. And so you see its kind of a kitty corner thing from the Witness Stand, the court reporter, but youve got this shot from the jury box. Its abby to be able to visibly see where donald trump is. And so the judge, if the judge can hear him making statements, statements, and swearing, and shooting it at all can see at all and you saw that harry that they could see it. So there must have been pingponging moments where the jury was looking. I mean, i know i would be looking to see what trump is saying. And if im trump, im probably trying to make my demonstrably Body Language evident. That was it exactly. They end you had the exchange at sidebar. Were merchants as youve got to keep him from grimacing and from swearing et cetera. And to janes point when when Michael Cohen hits same, will he be able to control himself for will he be doing three 60s with this head . When i see it a little bit differently in terms of Michael Cohen heres what i see in the minority here. I dont think Michael Cohen is the endall beall. And heres why i think the prosecution has spent a significant amount of time corroborating the things that Michael Cohen will say starting out with pecker, of course, being at the national enquirer, laying out the catch and kill scheme going into davidson speaking about hes the one attorney, of course, represented Stormy Daniels karen mcdougal, bringing in the account and bringing in the comptroller to talk about the documents, the invoices, the checks, et cetera. I think the prosecution has done all they could to make Michael Cohen as irrelevant as he possibly could be. Yes, he is as an important witness. He certainly adds fabric and color. It will be a colorful de it will be stormy times ten, abby, as you mentioned, no question. But i dont think it rises and falls on him because they have done all they could the price so heres the thing that they have not done is shown that donald trump either directed or knew about. Theres my answer. Thats the thing. And whos going to do that . But heres my answer very briefly. What happens, abby is in cases youre allowed to draw a reasonable inferences from the facts. And therefore, very few cases get tried as a smoking gun your scene youre saw him do it. So you have to as we always say, as lawyers, bring your common sense into that courtroom, let me tell you a story, ladies and gentlemen that story begins with packer and it ends with whoever the last witnesses and you dont have to rely upon Michael Cohen, you have to rely upon youre good judgment and you have to rely upon what the evidence tells you. A quick last word when they go to Michael Cohen, though theyre gonna theyre gonna take cope six testimony. He wanted to be in the campaign was always kicked out, tried to get in the room, was always kicked out. He went rhoad from time to time, never spoke on behalf of campaign. Really . We wanted to get in the white house rejected from the white house. This guy wanted to get in the white house, wanted to be within the circle of power, couldnt get it. So all he wanted to do was be a boss pleaser and get this thing done in order to curry favor with them. Thats why president trump, from his personal account was Writing Checks to Michael Cohen. Okay . In other words, i get youre product thats the bottom line is going to be come on guys, use your common sense. The president s signing personal checks to him, but hes going rogue. Stop, right . I think youre all a little bit right im just going to say it. Youre making the defense case, youre making the prosecutions case. Well see what the jury ends up saying about all of this. 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Our panel is back with us late july however, that doesnt mean that the trial could start any time soon what is going on here with this chart . One of two things. Judge cannon is just slow walking this thing because she wants trump to get what he wants, which is to delay this beyond the election, in which case if he is reelected, he will just shut down the case and or pardon himself and were both or she is literally so in that she cannot do her job and decide these outstanding motions and move this case through its paces to trial. She is a new judge. A lot of people talk about how inexperience she is classified documents can be complicated yada, yada, yada. And yet theres just no excuse for the way this is proceeded. Some of these motion issues are easy, are frivolous. There is no reason that she cant be further along than she is and just throwing up our hands and saying, wow, i know it supposed to go to trial this month, but gee, i havent been able to get the work done. Were going to have to push it back. Its ludicrous. Salehi, aware of the accusations at this is perhaps partisan lean motivated. That doesnt even affect her at all. I dont think it does. I think shes probably looking at the hand slap. She got before and worried about that. In addition, the the Classified Information Procedures Act does get a little messy sometimes, right . Because the defense is probably wanting to use classified information that the government saying no way you cant use that in court. So all of needs to get argued before the judge. Its all done behind closed doors. And because its the defense can play that delay game by trying to push as much confidential information were classified information, i should say, but before the court saying, look, we need to use it and defense and the prosecution say, no, you dont. Theyre going to fight over that sudden stop perry being able to lease at a Trial De And Work towards the goal of by this date, weve got to resolve this. No kidding. One month messy, not six month method, not indefinite mothball massey. And really its not very messy here at all. Because remember theres nothing hes charged with anything to do with content of the paper. Its just the way it was marked. So they could try to exert pressure on a couple of documents, but this is straightforward and really ludicrous is not too strong. A word to move it back a month or two, but to literally take it off calendar. And this by the way, is a cut and dried very strong case. Its unconscionable. I agree. I think the case is Pretty Simple case. Yeah. And i think the defense is probably pushing this long and exploiting me the fact that this judge is more than willing to take our time to to rule on these motions. And i think thats probably whats happening and lets just remember, shes a Trump Appointee she its not its not even just that shes a new judge. There were also questions when she was being confirmed about her qualifications for the judgeship to begin with. So she shes got all of this in the background and jack smith made a choice in this case to take it down to the Southern District of florida and there was a possibility always that this could have ended up in her lap and it hasnt donald trump, it just looks like has gotten really, really lucky here. Yeah. Abby, certainly, we could accept the fact that shes a new job judge. Its cetera, people in new are things thats fine. But you have great people around you. I have not seen the look federal staffs, these judges have phenomenal staff, people who are brilliant, who could assist you. So i dont buy the argument that shes fumbling because shes inexperienced. It seems to me shes clearly has an agenda here, right and based upon the agenda, Trump Appointee, as you noted, i think shes slow rolling the case. Yes, there are significant issues. There are emotions that need to be dealt through. Judges, dell dell through motions and all kinds of cases. Every dance twice on sunday. What makes us different classified documents. Okay. But the fact that shes doing it, it seems to me to be pretty obvious that its the thumb is on the scale for mr. Trump, olivia real quick. Highs. Let me hat is this this demonstrate that theyre more afraid of this case than are the others. Obviously, it would be a florida jury that i thought trump was saying politically that would be better for him and say what he thinks is a manhattan bias, jerry, i mean, the allegations in this case are very serious, not to say that theyre not in other cases. We have photographic evidence that was turned up in these raids, right . Of how he was storing these documents. And it goes against frankly as a political issue goes against how he talks about himself on foreign policy, how he talks about himself as a world leader. And the further that we get into this to further that she dragged this out, the nominating conventions are the summer, the closer than it gets to him being officially the nominee potentially the president again, i think that hes going to be talking more and more than even is now about a witchhunt. And it seems like shes inclined to help him if this case were brought in washington, dc, on a Rocket Docket like rock, Washington Dc has and with judges who have handled handled classified information cases, time and time again wed be to trial by now for sure. But probably even before anything in manhattan, right. It wouldnt be the identity of alvin bragg. They said going first thank you, everyone so important to hear all your perspectives up next, a message from President Biden to the Jewish Community i see your fear, your hurt, and youre pain let me reassure you as your president , youre not alone. 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A Sacred Jewish Holiday the terrorist group hamas, or at least to deadliest de, of the jewish people said, holocaust thats why im calling on all americans to stand. Youre nine it against antisemitism and hate and all its forms my dear friend who became a friend, the late eleia said, Quote One Person of integrity can make a difference you have to remember that now, more than ever elie and marion weasels san and chairman of the alivisatos foundation, alicia, whos al joins us now President Biden evoking your father there but also speaking at a really tense moment both in the war, but also here in this country ive been saying this for a while now because it seems to me the country kinda need somebody to help you understand this moment is this what you wanted to hear from him . This was an incredible speech by President Biden. I was actually at the very first days of remember, im just speech ever in 1979, i sat in president carters lap as my father spoke to the audience. That is actually the moment that my father met President Biden. President Biden Sentiment note afterwards and they began a friendship todays speech was phenomenal. It was, it was everything that he needed to cover, i think for the jewish people in this country to hear. He talked about family being the place where Holocaust Education needs to happen, and antisemitism needs to be thought. He talked about how his own father broth the dot file, spoke about at the dinner table that was a key part of his message. He spoke about ten, seven, how what happened on october 7 is very much modern antisemitism that thats what drove these people to go in and murder 1,200 innocent people. Do the terrible desecration that they did two babies, Teenagers Section for all violence. The unbelievable deeds. And then he call that antisemitism on campus and he did it in a very, very direct and crisp way. He said, calls for the elimination of israel are genocide and effectively are the worst antisemitism you can be spouting thats really, i think what the country needs to hear. Its very centering, very important, very relieved the president did this today. Oh, play actually the moment that he does address the protests that weve been seeing on College Campuses today. Listen weve seen a ferocious surge of antisemitism in america. And around the world. On College Campuses. Jewish students block harass, attack while walking to Class Antisemitism and i somatic posters, slogans calling for the relation of israel the worlds only jewish state i mean, the adl is reporting there is an 140 increase in antisemitic incidents, just from 2020 to 2023 and increasing after october 7, when you see these figures, and then you hear the president guys states having to even make a speech like this in the year 2024 thats trike such a chord. It does. And thank god, hes doing it and thank god hes doing it from within the Democratic Party because there are irresponsible legislators within the more extreme fringes of the Democratic Party, who are 100 part of the problem. Its interesting thank j street, which is about as left as you get in the jewish world. They have decided not to endorse Jamaal Bowman because he uses words that are so charged so loaded they can only be seen as antisemitic and nature Jamaal Bowman goes and he supports the protesters who are calling for the elimination of the state of israel it says, oh yeah, this is all peaceful. I dont see anything peaceful as a jewish person when i see banners and slogans and a call to globalize the empty fodder for those of us who remember what the empty fatah was in 2000 and later and later 2000s, these were bloody murderous attacks, buses being blown up, the sub borrow pizza bombing. So theres a lot of irresponsible behavior thats coming from some of the further fringes of President Bidens party, which is why its so important for him to make a strong message at the same time. Theres a war going on and israel is a close ally of the United States. Every time President Biden it has tough words for benjamin netanyahu. There are definitely people on the right who say oh, hes giving into the far left his antisemitic is that unfair in your mind . Is there room for President Biden to exert pressure on an ally in this circumstance . And still be a strong ally to the jewish people of course, and President Biden has every right to tell Prime Minister netanyahu what he thinks, what his views are ultimately, its going to be israels responsibility to decide how to execute when we come to words and discussions between friends and i do believe that the friendship between israel in the United States as, as profound a diplomatic friendship as can exist actions are what matter though, and some of the reports when we hear that aid may get conditioned, that certain weapons, supplies might be stopped thats when i think the advisors around President Biden should just take a moment and think a little bit about history because there is precedent for some of this. My father at that 1979 speech made a very, very Central Point about bombing the tracks and auschwitz roosevelts advisers did not agree that the bombing of tracks and auschwitz was a military priority. Well, right now i will tell you, as someone with family in israel, as someone whos concerned about the civilians there, the hamas tara tunnels that still exist in raffa represent a threat in the same way that those tracks into auschwitz represented a threat to european jewry. And they need to be dismantled that hamas, Terror Infrastructure needs to be taken apart. So i very much hope hope that president binds advisors are thinking about that as they make their own decisions about how to proceed. Very powerful conversation and inside that youve given us today, i do think its so important that if youre heard it tonight as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks wise owl, everyone. Thank you so much. And you know what were going to hear more from President Biden tomorrow because erin burnett that is sitting down with the president for an exclusive interview in wisconsin. Its going to air tomorrow night right here on cnn as 7 00 p. M. Eastern. 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