Week three of Donald TrumpsHush Money Criminal Trial. I, wolf blitzer in washington, Kaitlan Collins is outside the courthouse in new york, right . Now, the prosecution is questioning Keith Davidson, the former attorney for Stormy Daniels, and Karen Mcdougal to women who say they had affairs with trump anywhere paid to keep quiet. Jurors also heard from the banker who processed the Stormy Daniels payment. He said he was misled about that transaction caitlin yeah. Wolf, its been fascinating inside that courtroom because also remember at the start of today, the judge ruled that trump violated his gag order in this case nine times. He find trump the max its a mum of 1,000 per violation and even floated the possibility of jail time for future ones. Cnns paula reid and Phil Mattingly are here covering all of this with me. I should note that the court has just taken a break for lunch, which means Keith Davidson is off the witness stand. Donald trump is leaving the courtroom, so as the judge and the jury, just for a small moment, but Keith Davidson is an incredibly significant witness for the jury to be hearing from paula. Yeah. And then the past, our theyve heard mostly about Karen Mcdougal and her or his efforts to represent her as she tried its a shopper story and he lays out a couple of significant things. First of all, that she has competing offers. Hes trying to build pressure to get this soul. He talks about the quote estrogen mafia, as he said as he regrets describing it, some female producers at abc news or pressuring her to give them the story while hes quoting ami, American Media incorporated, the owner of the National Enquirer perhaps purchaser story, and he suggests that Karen Mcdougal actually preferred the National Enquirers approach because she didnt necessarily want her story published, but its also something to see the kind of offers he tossed out on behalf of his client. The first offer was over 1 million, and then to pay her to be a calmness. So hes going through stepbystep. What he did to try to get this deal for his client and its important that were going to get to the Stormy Daniels aspect and that agreement that Keith Davidson also negotiated. But what we learn from david pecker last week is that Karen Mcdougal is someone that trump was very much checking in with long after he was already in the white house david pecker recalled when he visited the white house, donald trump asking him, hows karen doing . Several times, the former president , then candidate, and then president would add david pecker. Theres the meeting at trump tower with several future white house officials and the former president where after they left, they included fbi director jim comey, included the future cie director, my palm peo rents previous as well. And after they departed, he asked how she was doing in the white house, as you noted, a couple of months later, did the same exact thing. The present very cognizant of something going with Karen Mcdougal. And now youre getting the dynamics. We talked a lot when david pecker testifying about the foundational elements of what they were setting up. The prosecution. This is very much along those lines as well. Didnt gotten to Stormy Daniels yet, but the jury is hearing how this all works and getting a very inside look into as opposed to competing dynamics between two different news organizations. And also the very clear desire stated by davidson that mcdougal not want her story to be public, wanting to go through ami, including some pretty exorbitant michelle offers on the table to try and ensure that the story did not ever see the light of day. It also shows how much negotiating happened backandforth, and how the urgency changed is weve got closer to there are convention. And as well learn with Stormy Daniels, the election and paula Keith Davidson is going to be a juicy witness before that, there were some witnesses who would not be described it in that way i love a good archives. I saw you guys riffing on cspan earlier and i was very here. But well work proceeds spat on this panel, but obviously to the jury, they were having to explain Pool Reporters and going into the details of of Court Testimony in depositions that trump is good given that could be key to this. Weve actually found those key moments that they are putting into the evidence rucker. I just want everyone to see and listen to what the jury was watching. Im listening to earlier as you obscene right now, i am being viciously attacked with lies and smears its a phony deal i have no idea who these women are every woman allied when they came forward to hurt my campaign total fabrication the events never happened never they want. To be able to use this. Its some point later on down the road. I mean, they already showed it to the jury, but to use it to show what trump was saying at the time. Yeah. Look, its not a crime to stand on a stage and vladimir supporters, or to lie to the press in these poor ports. But its interesting, he said, these women are lying to hurt my campaign. So at some level he is acknowledging that he knows that these stories could potentially hurt his campaign. And of course, we now know that these stories are other fairs. And though he has deny them, it does appear that they were all true. So this also works to undermine and his credibility and show that he was working as prosecutors allege on this cover up on this conspiracy to conceal these payments, to conceal the stories of the affairs. Why . To help his chances in the 26 cant team campaign. And thats so critical because its that part of the case that elevates this to a felony well, i was just gonna say so much of what weve heard over the course of the last week and a half is at least at some point it was not about the family anymore is about the campaign. It was about both his election and then what his white house would be like talking about the urgency as you were noting as we move towards Stormy Daniels through the part of the story, but also as weve already heard, the president , at least according to david pecker, was repeatedly asked asking about one of the women and how she was doing, saying once again, there they didnt know any of the women. We dont know the allegations are true. Hes denied all of them, but we do know at least according to one firsthand witness, the president pretty much knew who cared mcdougal was and wolf that point that fill just made about protecting the president s family is also key given one thing that were seeing thats different today is trump has a Family Member in the courtroom with him that he he has not had since this trial began. It is his second son, eric trump, who we saw getting the motorcade with them. Hes been entering and exiting the courtroom. Donald trump, weve not seen any members of the trump family i tend court with trump until today, wolff . Yeah, its very significant. Indeed lawyers, Defense Lawyers are always suggesting Family Members show up during these kinds of criminal trials. House caitlin will get back to you in a few moments, we have an expert panel here with me right now, laura coates, elie honig, gloria borger, and David Xiaolei and and laura. Lets start off with you. Explain where Keith Davidson fits into all of this, why the prosecution wanted him to testify. Well, he is the person who negotiated more than one nda. One involves karam, a google and one ultimately Stormy Daniels. Now of course he was the attorney would a former attorney, which may give you pause thinking, well, how are you able to communicate at all about the nature of your represents . With your client . Its the client who owned the privilege and the client who put that muzzle on his or her attorney. But theres likely having here that theres already immunity given to them because in new york, new york has a peculiar law where if you testify in front of a grand jury, you have immunity and they likely have a carveout where he could and talk about the nature of communications outside of the specific combination with him and his client, and instead about what was communicated by the outside. The outside is being dylan howard, the righthand man, david pecker, and david pecker ultimately this important to not only corroborate the testimony, david pecker talks about a catchandkill but also give us maybe a little more flavor and color as to what was the motivation behind the reason to enter in the agreement . Very significant, indeed, davidson, elie elie honig is with this testified there when it came to some of the dealings with Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen was working, quote, on trumps behalf. Has the prosecution effectively already established that trump was tied to Stormy Daniels while theyre trying to do it with that and thats a helpful piece of testimony for the prosecutors because a central theme is emerging in the defense its here which is this. Michael collin, whatever he was doing, he was off the reservation here. He was acting on his own. He was doing things that he was not running by donald trump. He was doing things that donald trump did not know about and did not approve. And so it helps if the prosecution gets evidenced that well, i understood Michael Cohen was acting on behalf of donald trump. Now, watch what happens on cross though. The cross is going to be how do you know that . How do you know Michael Cohen was acting on behalf of donald trump and ill bet you the answer is because Michael Cohen said, i was acting on behalf of donald trump, which sort of undermines a little bit of that claim that it was trump himself. But this is going to be a theme that weve seen already. Well see throughout the trial was cohen acting for donald trump . Was cohen acting on his own as a sort free agent . I think the question is, why else would Michael Cohen viewing this . Yeah, well, hes doing it for would be the motivation. Otherwise, its about his director or on his on his behalf or for trump. Thats gonna be the parsing. Or or or all of the above, right . I think at the defense, to your point, and i think we are making if the point if the defense is going to say hold on, you were doing a clique, thought it would help trump. But the defendant is trump and they have to prove that he had he intended for the behavior to actually occur direct correspondence that time Michael Cohen was still trumps fixer and lawyer. He was. But was he the fixer who make sure that you dont have to deal with the problem before it actually begins, are the one that took directly shouldnt because michael, heres the problem. Go solve it and just remember the timing that were talking about. Im looking at these dates of these texts in july of 2016, were talking about as the Republican National convention in cleveland, where donald trump is being voted as the nominee for the Republican Party for president. That happens on july 21 and july 22 is one of these texts the day after that huge moment of coronation for him. And its dylan howard trying to get a hold of Michael Cohen because the heat is being put on him to be able to move the story forward. And it just makes me think as a political reporter, how much is happening with the paddling under the water, right . That you will know nothing about while were all covering the convention. This is happening behind the scenes to try to prevent a total implosion and explosion of the candidates if you have time, trumps thinking what was going on. At those moments clearly, that was the top of his mind well, who knows if it was at the top of his mind, but it was its clear that it was at the top of Michael Cohens mind. And what he was trying to do was make sure that none of this got out, none of this got out and hes the one dealing with Keith Davidson. And on both Karen Mcdougal in Stormy Daniels because he represented both of them. And i think its its i mean, im waiting to hear from Michael Cohen to hear whether he got direct or porters now, you know, they always say about donald trump that he never gives direct orders that he kind of into mates. This is what you ought to do. And the question is, is that the case . And would that be good enough . To prove that in fact, donald trump asked him and wanted him to do what he did. Notice that that many times publicly, he said thats how trump operandi never calvary. For example when Michael Cohen pled guilty to lying to congress about the trump tower moscow, he testified trump never sat me down and said, i need you to lie for me, but we all understood what he wanted to be clear were on the attack on Michael Cohen. Its not going to be the Michael Cohen was doing this for the benefit financial or otherwise of Michael Cohen. Its Michael Cohen was the fixer. He wanted to ingratiation himself to trump. You want it to be someone who is useful and valuable to trump. And so he went off on his own and work things out. And then the big question, as laura was saying, is how much of that planning to donald trump know about to what extent was he involved in the nuances and to what extent was he sort of arms distance and just just tell me what i need to know. The prosecutor is going to have to prove, even even point of whether trump has intimated or not. You got to look for the attaboy at the ends, right . Thats the part were seeing a lot of Text Messages already coming in to confirm and what we all interpret the deal to be. You hear it from this manner testifying right now, we hear rather people. So if at the end of this, donald trump has only intimated and at the end hes black like, good job. Remember weve already heard david pecker write that donald trump said thank you, thank you for handling the mcdougal and daniels situations. And then how to the white house right, yeah. Theres your everybody stand by our Kara Scannell has been inside the courtroom all morning. She just got out. Karatay color viewers. What you saw, what you heard well, if we saw the day begin with a continued testimony of Michael Cohens banker at the time, who helped set up the bank account that cohen used to transfer . The 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, attorney Keith Davidson. We just ended the morning session with Keith Davidson on the stand and he is talking now about the arrangement involving Karen Mcdougal. She was the woman who said that she had a years long affair with donald trump. And so what the jury is seeing now our Text Message Judges that were exchanged between Keith Davidson and dylan howard from the National Enquirer as they were working around this deal, and davidson is testifying as hes testifying, these little thank at the jury to in an explanatory way to explain things to them and one thing that noted that stood out to me was that he kept referencing this personal interaction that mcdougal had with donald trump, the prosecutor then asked him, what do you mean by that . It was that point that davidson said, well, she alleged she had a romantic relationship with him. The prosecutors peter asked sexual and he said, yes. I mean, theyre also saw a text. Were dylan howard was asking for information about it and he asked if this was, if this meant that donald trump had cheated on the line . Omnia and davidson said at the time he didnt tell him what he knew because he wanted to try to create some drama and create some interest in the story. And ultimately we see from these Text Messages that Karen Mcdougal had a competing offer from abc news where she would tell her story. And then he began negotiating with the National Enquirer about how much money she would get et for this. And in one of these texts, exchanges keeps davidson is saying, throw in an ambassadorship for me im thinking isle of man. He then explained to the jury then what he meant by that was that if he had this made this Karen Mcdougal deal happen, it would help Donald Trumps campaign. So prosecutors, again, trying to use him to tie this back to the campaign because Karen Mcdougal and according to david pecker and according now with pete davidson, didnt want her story of her past Relationship Job with trump public. And that is part of the reason why she did this still a a mi, but prosecutors trying to underscore here that the reason that at the time this realtime text message from in july of 2016, Keith Davidson saying that he thought that it had that they were helping Donald Trumps campaign. Some prosecutors trying to make that connection out earlier today, the jury also lets have a couple of video clips including some from donald trump speaking in october of 2016, just after the access Hollywood Tape came out, where he is denying the allegations of a numerous number of women who came forward to the jury hearing and seeing donald trump for the first time, answer some questions around this general topic. Wolff gershkovich, she just got out from inside the courtroom. Were going to stay in very close touch with you, your eyes and ears inside the courtroom. 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Would you have done the same to fine trump for violating the gag order . I absolutely wolf would have done the same. I think its appropriate. Its timely i was getting a little concerned about the judge of needing to act to uphold the authority and the integrity of his court. But i think he he did well he find him the maximum that he could under the law of new york and its its a clear warning shot across the former president s bow the judge, as you probably know, is scheduled another hearing on this issue for this coming thursday to address four more alleged Gag Order Violations by trump. Do you expect him to rule against trump . Again . I think that they could heal, take them one by one as he obviously did in the order that he released earlier today. And i dont think that the former president is in jeopardy of being jailed at that proceeding, but he made it quite clear that hes drawing some lines here and the former president could actually lose his liberty if he persists because there are very bright lines here and frankly, the judge said that to say that, you can repost what others say in order to skirt the gag order is both absurd disingenuous, and i agree with that. Yeah. If you repost something that suggests you support with your reposting, at what point, judge wood, the current judge, have to act have no choice but to act on his threat earlier today, potentially of incarceration for i think if after today the former president in a very clear and pronounced way decides that he wants to play gamesmanship with judge merchan and continue to threaten or talk about in a disparaging way, witnesses or others that are prohibited under the gag order, then i think were going to end up with a moment here. An Inflection Point where he could well lose his liberty because theres, theres really a as happens with police, theres a Force Continuum Wolf where you dont shoot somebody in a traffic stop. If they refused to get out of their car. But if things continue, and somebody cake, they dont get out of the car, they they make a hostile gesture towards you. Theres theres four she can use this, judge is on the force continuum for a judge in the judiciary and if finding them doesnt work, the only next resort that he has is to incarcerate them is trump a former president of United States getting special treatment. In other words, if he were just a regular American Citizen who repeatedly violated a court order of the gag order. Would he be in jail potentially by now . I dont think so i do think that judge merchan is being really deliberate and careful if it were in my courtroom if you will, an average litigant, what i wouldve done i think is in a moment admonished him verbally and said something, but i respect the judge bradshaw nosy. Hes got a case on his hands that he has to be careful how he adjudicates these things. So i find no fault with what he did. Wolff the other interesting thing about the order that was handed down by judge merchan is theres theres sort of a quiet shot across the bow of Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels as well very interesting indeed, the former federal judge, johnny jones, the third judge. Thank you so much for your expertise. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks. Well, thanks to our viewers. Stay with cnn for more of our special live coverage of trumps hushmoney trial a. Florida man is hospitalized, infected with anthrax sunday this became the bureaus number one crying to solve how but really happen with jesse l. 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Unrest, gripping so many colleges across the United States, right now, several students at Columbia University in new york are barricaded inside an Academic Building after breaking in overnight to protest israels war in gaza, School Officials are now urging people to vacate columbia journalism building, citing what they call safety concerns, the white house also responding today saying that protesters who occupied campus buildings are taking the wrong approach. Lets get right to cnns Polo Sandoval, hes joining us from Columbia University. So whats happening there now, apollo well, for over 12 hours dow, since a group of individuals actually occupied the building that you see behind we are now beginning to get a better idea of who likely may still be in that building. Thats according to what you just heard from a member of Columbia University, apartheid hi divest speaking to my colleague jeff winter, who confirms that among some of the occupants still of that building, our members of that organization, commonly known as quad. Now if this sounds familiar with if you remember, is that this is the organization that had a couple of their representatives that were actively engaged in dayslong negotiations with members Columbia University negotiations that basically stole, that led to yesterdays deadline and eventually lead to escalating tensions. And of course, less dramatic pictures of Hamilton HallHistoric Building that has served as a stage for previous protests being occupied by these students are mock mooc allele in this conversation with in an adding the key has been informed that he has also been suspended. He said that he had already previously left the University Campus when this took place. Face and he at this point, according to kelly that it is up to the university to determine exactly what will happen next. And khaliullin on the university two, once again, resume negotiations. So this is the first time that we are essentially hearing from one of the peoples who were at the Negotiating Table with columbia diversity trying to resolve the issue of divestment this is now one of those negotiators calling for those negotiations to pick back up again now, in terms because of what we have heard from columbia just in the last few minutes, they have reached they have issued a statement right now threatening anybody who is currently occupying, especially their students so obviously occupying the building that you see behind me, threatening them with expulsion. So you certainly do get a sense. The university has also taking a different path position here as they continue to restrict access on campus all morning long, we have seen numbers of the University Community walk up to that gate with a majority of them being denied access says only those Essential Personnel and students who live on campus are being allowed on it. So i just want to be precise. Polo while i have you, some of those students who actually broke into that building on campus and broke the windows across through the doors. They wouldnt just be suspended. They would be expelled from Columbia University. Is that right . Thats according to the spokesperson for University Wolf that just issued a statement just a few moments ago, we had heard those threats of suspension particularly when it comes to those that were occupied. There were at least taking part in that encampment for days that now you really do get a sense of that escalation when the University Issue queuing a very reflect warning to the people inside that building without permission that if they do not leave the Risk Exposure exposure is different than suspension. And there was a lot of Video Cameras showing who was breaking in through those doors in those windows. So i assume the Columbia University authorities have evidence if they were gonna go ahead start expelling students, Columbia University students, Polo Sandoval. Thank you very, very much. Was they in close touch with you . Will stay on top of this story. And our special Coverage Of The Trump Trial will be back in just a few moments. Cnn central, tomorrow at seven eastern yeah, introducing nets Plaque Psoriasis. He thinks is flaky red patches are all people see. Oh, tesla is the number one prescribed hello, to treat blacks are isis. Oh, tesla can help you get clear. 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And at the very end, some really crucial points are showing all these Text Messages backandforth between Stormy Daniels, attorney and ami dylan howard, the Editor In Chief the point blank question asked by mr. Steinglass, if you were to close this deal, basically paying Karen Mcdougal for her story from ami. Did you have an understanding that this would help Candidate Trump question mark Keith Davidson, one word the answer yes. And thats what theyre trying to establish again and again. And it was very clear trying to establish that connection that they knew that this was to help the election yeah. Because of course, this is charged as 34 counts of falsifying Business Records, who would elevates the entire case to a felony is the idea that this Hush Money Payments specifically to Storm Again Daniels was covered, was made and then covered up to help trump in the 2016 campaign. And then there was of course, that exchange with davidson. Hes texting someone sort of joking about that. If Karen Mcdougal does this deal with ami for story is suppressed and not told that he would be interested in an ambassadorship sort of acknowledging that if ami is to suppress mcdougals story, that would likely help trumps chances at the poles. And thats exactly what, when they were talking about that ambassadorship to the island get really would normally is thrown out of rome. Well, its funny because dentitions comments and you know, hes got there under subpoena, but his point was, well well, its not even really country. It was just a joke and he doesnt offer up. This is why i made the joke until he was actually pressured by steinglass and then he said, okay, if karen did this deal, that would help trump kansas city, i knew that and i guess this was my reference to say, well, i should get an ambassadorship out of it. So he did ed to be pulled out of him, but he was very clear on what he thought. If youre seeing on the screen right now where theyre talking about this it was a reference to mr. Trumps candidacy that somehow if karen did this deal, Karen Mcdougal did this deal with ami, that it would help Donald Trumps candidacy candidate acknowledgment of what he said was a joke. But if you get underscore is kind of the entire build to that moment, making very clear as policy, we talked constantly about, you mentioned the earlier Text Messages, extraordinary to go inside one of these deals looks like give me 1 million, give me a column, wants to rectify the career, but doesnt want anything to become public, doesnt want to be in this consulted magazine. Things for it in normal person, i imagined the jury are extraordinary to actually see play out but getting back to what the core of prosecutor, what prosecutors have alleged and what theyre trying to prove. That not only is this falsification of Business Records, but it is elevated to that in order to try and go after the Felony Charges that theyve put on the board here, right. And and you know, it is interesting to the jury themselves, theyre watching one of the things in the room. Its a small room, right . And its an intimate space. You only have about nine rows of reporters and lawyers and then its right there. So i was my 25 feet from trump himself the jury, though they sit there and you hear this frenetic typing of the preska. I mean, its i mean, its like i get your Blood Pressure up. People and then the jury there theyre just taking it in. And i dont mean to imply that theyre bored or disengaged. Quite the contrary, theyre very engaged. But they really were engaged in taking get in. There wasnt a lot of notetaking. They were watching the witness, watching the questioners. Interestingly, not watching trump nor did they look at him when they came and left the courtroom. I mean, its as loyal here. What do you read into that . Does that instruction on what they should do or well, some of it is instruction because at the outset, the judge told them that their notes should not serve as a transcript if you want an actual tran script of what was said, we will get you a transcript because imagine youd have 12 different people trying to read their own handwriting, argue about what was said. So he really encouraged them not to take two minutes he notes, or to rely too heavily instead, just take it in like you observe them doing it if you need something read back, you need to transcript. We can do that at the very end. I know its interesting to me, theyre not looking at trump because because i think anywhere he goes, hes probably one the most famous people. Most people have seen it you look at him. So thats interesting that they werent looking directly at him, but good that theyre paying attention to what theyre putting it out. Evidence we should note if any, a transcript they could also get your notebook because you came back and i believe took word for word the entire morning and proceeds vague question though, because we were focused this one morning about eric trump actually being in the quarter. We saw him walk out. Weve seen him kind of in and out with the former president. Of course, today you havent seen family up to this point. Is there interaction . Wheres he said, how does that all work . Yes. This was the first time i understand that eric trump had been in the room. So what it is is that the prac comes in, theyre seated, lawyer sort of come in and then its like a its like a wedding per session. Okay. Incomes defense. I mean, this is literally how it goes. Theres an order of affairs and you come in and they he doesnt look one way or the other. He comes in and then he went eric trump was sitting in the front rows where family and lawyers consent. And eric trump was there and donald trump turned to talk to his son, a personal moment and had a chance to ask me, how are you doing . Having interaction. And did turn to interact with the sun and then he goes in front of a little low barrier and sits in his seat where he basically remains the whole time our sitting there . Yeah, our sun. Its its got to feel good to have at least one Family Member being a criminal defendant, as ive said, its one of the most stressful things you can possibly go through. And all the problems prosecution alleges all of these Hush Money Payments were made to help trump in the 2016 campaign has Defense Attorneys will argue that they were done to protect his family. Of course eric is now one of his four adult children, baron, i guess hes now technically adult about to graduate from high school, which trump will be able to attend. Right. But it is notable that he finally has one member his family because of course, his wife has not attended any of this understandable, given the given the Subject Matter and also her overall nature. But its the only one of his children weve seen so far. Thats right. Course, meloni, his name was brought up today, Stormy Daniels named Karen Mcdougal. All of it. And we should say as you see on the bottom of your screen, trump removes a social media post that violated the gag order from truth social, it was well, the first thing is the judge did today was to rule on that and i believe its 9,000 and fine for each of the violations which he found, all of them except for but there were a couple that he said did not violate, but the large majority of them. And i will say that went without Fanfare Reaction from tom. Nobody even batted an eye at that, but he has removed them and compliance with that gag order. 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The former for president just deleting social media posts that had violated the judges gag order, max, which are back with analysis and David Chaldean what they were ten violations, nine violations, but won. The judge saw one was not necessarily a violation of the gag order but he did say that the violations of the gag order had to be deleted. Thats right that trump did that within a half an hour, 9,000, 9,000. 01 for each of the nine violations fine assessed and they had to be taken down by 2 15 p. M. Eastern today, meanings now one 40 right . So our intrepid embed reporter with the trump campaign, Kate Sullivan scrubbing the truth, social website, and everything throughout the day to see when they come down and is reporting now, they have been taken down specifically, all nine instances that judge merchan intended to. And this is because if you follow the logic through the order of the violation the gag order it would be a repetitious process of continuing to violate the gag order if this if these comments remained in the Public Domain and potentially could be. I know the jurors have been born to stay away from everything, but talking about jersey could get in into their viewpoint somehow. Certainly some of the other people that were that fit the violation order. If this remained in the Public Domain, it was as if the violation was ongoing. So not just the fine, but also were hearing let me know on thursday thursday at how does this play in the thursdays hearing on for additional alleged violations of the judges gag. Well, presuming that he does not trump does not violate between now and then the idea. And this might be a bit presumption, but the allegations that predated the judges order of punishment right now, i would find it brand likely that youd punish him additionally, for these four maybe the fines of thousand dollars each as a finding of a violation of the gag order. But wouldnt be a graduated step beyond the fine because he had to first and most cases give notice to the bending of what youre you heard from a judge talking earlier about this continuum are the force continuum meaning im going to begin here and as you begin to violate my now order, im going to accelerate and heightened what your exposure is. These are already in the past, already having been saying, which gives because you pause to understand why the judge would have taken even this long to decide which clearly had not been an issue in contention, except for the one post that was about what the judges saying youre able to respond to political attacks all of them are not. But if its a political attack, youre able to respond, which is probably leading to trumps ears. They im a candidate. I want a little to respond to these things, but i wonder if theres enough clarity for him. To go forward and say, well, hold on, this is political and this is not what the judge actually threatened incarceration. Incarceration for trump, if he continues to violate the gag order, judges putting them on notice. Hes telling them this is in play, right . I think hes making a point here and the line in the sand to lower is mine was drawn today anything that donald trump does from at the time that that order was issued at 9 30 this morning on i think is going to be treated differently by the judge. The judge did not say i definitely will lock you up. The judges being careful here, but the judges reminding donald trump, i do have this Enforcement Tool in my tool belt and i might use it if necessary. Also, i should say its good to see order prevail here. The judge said, you have to take them down by two 15 they were taken down. Im not saying donald trump deserves bravo for that, but its good to see that when the judge issues an order, its actually complied with. Thats the way an ordinary trial doesnt should work. The question is what happens Going Forward . And Michael Cohen has said hes not going to do social media anymore. Until attacking from attacking trumps. So well see if that holds. And then trump on pete wont be responding to Michael Cohen but the question is, what is its donald trump . Do kenny police himself late at night . I see often tweets or dose truth, social, and his attorneys seemed to have no control over this . And so the fine of 1,000 per proposed doesnt really mean much to donald trump so i think incarceration would but the . Question is, how does he start behaving and does this really have any impact Going Forward . Sorry. His behavior didnt seem to help them so much in the civil trials against e. Jean carroll. And it seems to me, since this while weve been waiting for the judges decision on this, it does seem that donald trump has started in his Public Comments being much more in the political realm than in the attacks related to this day. Hes remember his big grief are one of the grievances was that book im running for office and i cant attack those who attacked me politically on the one hand, by the judge, not really a splitting the baby. I mean, nine saying you violated in one thing you did not but it does in many ways undermine some of the rhetoric that trump is going to say about this, judge. He is allowing you to engage in a retort of a political attack to your larger point, but you cannot engage in behavior is going to threaten an intimidate a witness, which is as it should be or speak about the jury. Right. I mean, you know, who would trump the responding to if he criticizes the jury is a bunch of liberal Damage Procrustes nobody so that is the most serious offense. 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This welcome back to cnn Special Coverage of the historic donald trump along with wolf blitzer in our nations capital. And just moments, the former president will be back in the courtroom and the prosecution will resume questioning. A key attorney at the center of this case, Keith DavidsonKeith Davidson began his testimony this morning. He represented both Karen Mcdougal and Stormy Daniels two women who said they were paid to stay silent about alleged affairs with donald trump, wolfe, lots of drama unfolding today. Erin, before davidson took the stand this morning, jurors heard from the banker who says he had wittingly structured the Stormy DanielsHush Money Payment also today as the New York Times reports, trump is frustrated with his own lead defense attorney. Trump was hit with a 9,000 fine for nine social media posts that violated the judges gag order. He has just taken down those posts as ordered. Lets start right now with some of the major takeaways from the testimony. Very dramatic testimony so far today, our senior legal analyst, elie honig is over the magic. Well, elie walk us through what we learned from the testimony so far today. So busy morning, they prosecution has put on four witnesses already, even before the lunch break. Now, the day started out with gary farro in the standings, a banker from First Republic bank. And let me show you why his testimony was really important to this case. The way the payoff to Stormy Daniels worked as first Michael Cohen directly paid Stormy Daniels through her attorney, 130,000, and then later donald trump through his businesses repaid michael, i went through a series of checks. This is the crux of the crime that happened here. The allegation is a structured this to make it look like legal fees rather than a hushmoney pay off. This witness, gary farro testified in detail about this money the way Michael Cohen got that money by taking out, drawing down on his mortgage. And the way Michael Cohen came to him with a sense of urgency needed to get this money. And we know the reason why was to make this payoff to Stormy Daniels. Then we heard from two witnesses, one from cspan and one from a Court Reporting company. The reason prosecutors called these witnesses is simply as vehicles to get videos and depositions in front of the jury, and then they started to show some of those videos to the jury. For example, one clip from october 2016 when donald trump on cspan said, quote, i have no idea who these women are, no idea who these women are. We know that ended up being false, and so prosecutors are going to argue, gee, why would he be untruthful about whether he knew who these women are, those the second and third witnesses and finally, we left off at the lunch break with the fourth witness of the de on the stand. And this is Keith Davidson. Now, hes an attorney who represented both Karen Mcdougal and Stormy Daniels. And the reason hes really important is here is because in negotiating the deals, the Hush Money Deals with mcdougal and Stormy DanielsMichael Cohen dealt with Keith Davidson. He was not dealing on the mechanics and the logistics of it with Mcdaniel Mcdougal and Stormy Daniels. So right now were in the middle of Keith Davidson testifying about the negotiations that were happening between him on behalf of these clients and Donald Trumps camp and with other outlets now, whos next . I suspect Keith Davidson is going to take the rest of the day or close to the rest of the day with his testimony and cross exam, we dont know. Prosecutors have been plant playing it really close to the vest. It feels like they are setting the stage for Stormy Daniels to take the stand at some point soon, of course, later in the trial, were looking for at Karen Mcdougal. Prosecutors may call home six could take the stand, and of course, the most important witness will will be Michael Cohen. Lots to wash this afternoon. Yeah. Lots of drama unfolding. Elie honig. Excellent report. Thank you very, very much, aaron, back to you all right well, if and so here with paula and fill just getting back into the courtroom, you know, its interesting week people have talked so much about trumps Body Language and hes very professional and very controlled from, from what i saw. He stands when hes told to sandy walks in and it doesnt look one way or the other. It doesnt look like hes happy person, but he certainly isnt making light of it, or a mockery of it or making faces or anything like that. There were times when he would sort of be leaning back, listening head back as people have been talking about, was interesting. Is there was a witness from cspan. The whole point of this witness was to bring into evidence a few pieces of video, all of which were trumped at various rallies saying how horrible all these women were in that hes never met any of them who were accusing him of these affairs, never met any of them. Theyre liars. Its fabricated it basically to play those words again and again this was a very sleepy witness in terms of the audience entails i am well, what youre saying you its just, you know, its there sort of saying exit i mean, were talking about exhibits. Just fill for your benefit just so you know, 409 okay. So you can imagine how you feel when youre an exit 409 be fair. But then they play a little clip and trump goes from this and listening, not asleep, but leaning in because he has a little monitor right in front of him trump watching, trump. Trump watching trump is a fully engaged, very invigorated individual that does not surprise me at all. I have noted two that i believe he has behaved as most defendants are expected to during a criminal trial, but that is certainly a contract as to what we saw in the civil case is just a few blocks from here. His behavior during those proceedings, extremely disruptive, and it did not pay him dividends and long run because he lost that case and he lost that case badly. So it is notable that he is being the consummate executive, a way welcome. Ported defendant, if you will, inside the courtroom because he well, if no on some level that its not going to play well with the jury. If he starts acting out and he had as you mentioned, interaction with the son eric when he came in and that was that was a personal moment between the two of them and then these interactions with attorneys. And that was constant whispering quick consultations, decision, i think at one point whether todd blanche was going to do a crossexamined termination on a witness who had kept the transcripts of depositions, decided with trump, decided not to so very involved throughout today, but not but there was no testing is at least that i could see from my Vantage Point between trump and his attorneys, whole notes, the contrast between the former president in this trial and pass trials. I think theres a contrast with the attorneys as well, both in terms of where they came from, the resume, the todd blanche brings to the table here. Its widely regarded. I know elie talks about his time, the sovereign or Southern District of new york in the teams that are often put together, there were todd blanche comes from but also it is just a very different moment. But the stakes are certainly significantly higher given the fact that is a criminal trial. And i think what you see from the president is or foreign president is, at least in some part in potent. Thats better need reflective of what is legal team is telling him behind the scenes and approach that they have taken up to this point, he made a great point because if were talking about tension behind the scenes, the trump legal team, i said this earlier, its like sand at the beach. Its part of the environment. And as part of the environment for a lot of reasons. One, because its criminal prosecution, its inherently stressful, but also the makeup of the trump legal team. Theyre the folks you see in court, but theres a lot of folks behind the scenes who have a say theres people who were just calling him from random universities, giving him advice. And then the client himself is a very challenging, difficult climb. So theres always tension behind the scenes. It doesnt matter if its a statelevel investigation or Supreme Court cases where the stakes are incredibly high, there was always tension behind the scenes, but speaking with sources in trump world, im told that hand todd blanche to this point, theyre fine. Obviously, theyre in court today. You could see they togolese comes over and puts his arm from on trump shoulder, sort of in it in a collegial way is how i would best describe it. I mean, like i said, there was certainly not tension visible from where my Vantage Point yeah. Im told us the usual Attentions In Trump World is part of the situation. And again, todd ishee is really in the top tier of trump lawyers. And any suggestion that hes not being aggressive for his client. I just dont buy that because hes not engaging in antics in the courtroom or getting in fights with a judge does not mean that he is not aggressively advocated for his client. We saw and leave it to this case. He filed pretty much every motion you could imagine. Just tried to preserve every right. So yeah, i think this might be a little overblown it. What did you seem one thing that stood out to me earlier on in this remember when he was referring to trumps mr. President again and again and again, it was reprimanded for doing that today. He he did it once, corrected himself and said mr. Trump and then he used the words President Trump to refer to trump in the context of he was referring to something trump and posted while president so it was very clear he wanted to do it when he could, but he was respectful of what the judge had said and that that that sort of respect in the courtroom, the decorum of the courtroom, that was very much at play today. And you could feel it from all aspects, including the jury, which was so very good shot and people would say, well, thats a very small observation that you have in your notebook, which is very fulsomely filled that i think it captures the balance. Right between client and court. The case thats actually at hand here, the stakes that theyre actually dealing with. And also, i think theres a recognition politics are very point in terms of what type blanche has been confronted with in his cross and in his opening up to this point, remember whats coming. There will be plenty of opportunity given some of the witnesses since we expect certainly Michael Cohen potentially Stormy Daniels as well for as much aggression as a lawyer can possibly put on the table and how he actually formulates that, and what the at least the start of this has been. Weve talked so much about the prosecution can setting the foundation for whats to come, how much is todd blanche setting the foundation for what the defense is going to be doing over the coming weeks in mind is crucial, and at least today its very clear theyre trying to put Michael Cohen on an island if operating on his own by his own volition. I mean, you could even get that feel despite nonconfrontationa l style by blanche today of what theyre trying to do. All right. Well we continue to be here outside the courthouse, wolfe back to you all right. Aaron. Thank you. I want to bring in Jury Consultant than attorney renata us to be able are nato. Thank you so much for joining us, help us better understand a bit how the jurors inside the courtroom are likely to be processing all of todays pretty dramatic testimony yeah. I mean, look, i think theyre going through a lot of mechanics today, quite frankly, its not the sexiest testimony. I mean, thats coming when Michael Cohen gets on the stand. And of course, Stormy Daniels, but of course they have to go through all this, but my understanding from trumps defense and from the opening statement, hes going to say, well, i didnt know anything so fine. There were Financial Trends sanctions, and there were banking records that are going to be introduced, but that all he will say, he will argue goes to Michael Cohen. It has nothing to do with him how do you keep the jurors were not focused and engaged while some of these smaller name witnesses and technical procedures to enter evidence into the court actually play out for, the bigger name witnesses, the stars, if you will, like Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen actually take the stand. Well, you got to keep it moving and i think thats what youre seeing the prosecutors doing. They note they have to do this. These are pieces of evidence that they need to complete their case. And i think for the Defense Attorneys also, youre not going to really the harp so much on these witnesses. Youre going to move through them quickly. Youre going to meet, make the points you need to make for your summation. Remember youre constantly thinking about what you have to argue in summation to make your case for both sides. So thats what they tried to do with these witnesses. As you know, the jury heard directly from gary farro, the banker who said Michael Cohen actually deceived him about the Stormy Daniels payment they will hear that cohen later pleaded guilty to charges connected to that transaction. If prosecutors use cohen as a witness, how do they overcome the potential credibility . Issues . Wow, thats why they fronted it in their opening statement. I mean, thats what you have to do whenever you put on any type of cooperating witness, you know, theyre going to be coming with baggage. They obviously will pleaded guilty to something they have made may have lied other times. So i think they did a pretty good job fronting it, but theyre going to say, look, were not going to ask putin like Michael Cohen, but when it comes to this, you should believe him and why should you believe him . Because theres other information that corroborates what hes telling you based on your experience, renata, whats the impact of trumps son, eric, being there today . Do jurors take note if a defendants family shows up or not. 100 we would always encourage people to have support Family Members, friends, whoever you can bring to the courtroom, because jurors are looking at those people and they want to know that look, the persons family is standing behind them. They have friends, they have supporters, and that means a lot to a jury in terms of sort of judging the character of the person whos on trial. Now, i realize its a little different when somebody who is known to everyone, but its always a good thing to have some support in the courtroom because jurors do techno. Yeah, lawyers always tell the Defense Defendants if you could bring your wife, your kids, your family, and that probably will help you with the jury now lets to be a thank you so much for your expertise. Thanks. 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Thats protected by attorneyclient privilege. But things like when were Stormy Daniels and or Stephanie Clifford paid and how and how were they contracted with the Trump Organization . Its relevant evidence for the trial, something were seeing a lot of today is that witnesses have to establish not just the sexy details that may come into the newspaper, but the entire factual record and that includes how a criminal scheme as alleged worked, and thats a very important purpose of them like that concert, is it unusual for a lawyer to be testifying because usually there are legal boundaries as far how far a lawyer can could actually get into a courtroom and testify. It is unusual, wolfe and in this case, what theyre doing, it peers in order to protect the attorneyclient privilege because lets remember, mr. Davidson represented both Stormy Daniels and Karen Mcdougal, is theyre not going into those conversations. What a you, mr. Davidson discuss with your client instead of talking about what did you discuss with Michael Cohen, which is not protected by the privilege. And thats really keep davidsons relevance here. Michael cohen handled his dealings with Stormy Daniels and Karen Mcdougal through Keith Davidson. I think the key sort of battle line here is gonna be to what extent was Michael Cohen acting on Donald Trumps behalf, but working out the details on his own and to what extent was Michael Cohen working out those details with Donald Trumps knowledge . Because this case all it was down to the details specifically, how was this funded . How is it accounted and have done shop knows that stuff. Hes gonna be guilty. And if he does not know it then we could have a different Verdict Hearing constantly and you know, this to that Michael Cohen has all this documentation and all these receipts. I would assume if indeed he does, it is to get it that point right . That thats what the prosecution will use beyond Michael Cohens testimony to actually prove Donald Trumps involvement. But it seems to me its a big bet on the prosecutions part here because it might be an in each of these instances very difficult given the way trump operates to get trumps actual should the question has to be asked, did Michael Cohen ever talk about the boss as he called them and what would make the boss happy and what wouldnt and sort of whether Keith Davidson says that it was very clear that Michael Cohen was acting on behalf f of donald trump. And im sure theyre going to try and get to that with Keith Davidson, who in a way will corroborate Michael Cohen because hell talk about the dealings they had, et cetera but i think the real question will be did michael cohn make it clear to you . That he was acting on behalf of donald trump or did you just assume that an assumption can be enough depending on how assumption isnt it really just gets down to how much the jury believes what their toll does the Witness Testimony theyve received seem credible to them . And are there enough other documents and things in cspan videos and so on in the record that can help establish and good allow them to trust what the prosecution wants them to do. Now, certainly, Michael Cohens being on the record saying that donald trump, please pay this money to hide this Porn Star Information from voters. Of course, thats what prosecutors want. But you can also get there with whats called Circumstantial Evidence there were just being told by our folks who are inside the courtroom that trump is sitting back in his chair looking up at the messages on the screen being showed to Keith Davidson, he is intermittently commenting to todd blanche, one of his attorneys, to davids question generally or the whole trick here for prosecutors is to corroborate, to backup Michael Cohen every single place that he can if he said that we order pizza for lunch, that de and you have a Receipt Showing they pizza. Its irrelevant, but you still want that because you need to bolster him as much as possible and might take so far. Is that Michael Cohen is substantially correct . Robert rated, but not necessarily all the way corroborator. Theres going to have to be some Leap Of Faith by the jury. And the key question, theres no question at all. Michael cohen was acting on Donald Trumps behalf. But was Michael Cohen just telling trump . I got it. You dont worry yourself about the details or was michael saying to donald trump . Okay. Were structuring it this way. Were going to say their attorney bernice fees and donald trump say, yeah. Okay, great. Those are the two different stories here. And i see were getting some of the texts. Davidson texan howard, i cant quote. I cant believe they are asking me to go back for another 25, meaning 25,000 the deal is accepted at 1 50 k can you do that . Dylan howard, of course, worked at ami fire senior editor, the National Enquirer . Yes. There is a tape recording of donald trump talking to Michael Cohen about the, uh, hundred and 50,000 that mcdougal thing, you know . Saying something to the effect of whats it going to cost 150. So im sure thatll be important in this guy tape is so important, its clear that up probably later and you can look at that, dave, its public. I think cnn broke the story. If i remember, its on the internet and you can look at that tape and theyre going to argue it both ways. It sounds trump knows some of the details. So thatll be good for the prosecution. But the defense will say, look at this tape, trump is just sort of deferring to michael. I dont know. Im fine with the payment. You handle the nuances, but the fact that he knew about it and moved it is important, valuable to the prosecutors. Yes. And we know that the prosecutor the attorney, joshua steinglass, is continuing his questioning of Keith Davidson right now. Were going to continue to monitor that everyone standby much more coming up still ahead, how the trump camp, sir, reacting to todays testimony, will get more on that when we come back so its the playoffs, great teammates trust each other. Were going to do a trust stand up, trust. 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And this is cnn welcome back to our special live coverage of Donald Trumps historic first criminal trial, right now, Keith Davidson, an attorney who represented Stormy Daniels and a karam google is back on the witness stand. Mark lauder is a former special assistant to President Trump, who also served as trumps 2020 director of Strategic Communications and he joins me now and mark them. Im glad to see you again. And good to be with you this afternoon. So you know what what do you make of what were seeing so far today . You know, just being in the courtroom with trump mark one thing that stood out to me you know, we did, in iraq. He said, how are you doing . We know when when i saw him this morning, its a small room hes certainly theres times he appears maybe board, but anytime anything is interesting, he perks up, hes paying attention, hes engaged to use clearly aware of the seriousness of the moment, at least in terms of behavior i saw. You taking it seriously. Does anything stand out to you about how he is conducting himself and his comportment at this point . No, i think he understands what this trial is really all about. Its keeping him off the campaign trail. And so hes going to make sure that he doesnt provide additional fodder. And what is focused on is what he talks about it during the breaks before and after the hearing, and not necessarily on every moment of every reaction during all the backandforth three neizha during the Legal Proceedings mark right at the beginning before the jury came in, they take care of some business and one of the things the judge judge marchand, and just to give a sense where theres judge marchand and then, you know, ten or 15 feet away as trump. I mean, its a very intimate setting. And so he rules on a few things and asieh few questions theyre making arguments on some upcoming issues. The gag order, though, when that ruling came down and he literally its very surgical and the sense okay. On, you know, number three and four, im finding you 1,000 each and four through 10,000 each. The not on one and it just was it just was very quick and very professional and not a reaction from trump at all. And now those truth social posts that were subject to the gag order had been already removed during the lunch break by trumps team so you know how he feels about the gag order. We all know hes livid, hes angry, but he did control himself in that room. I mean, there wasnt even a blink from anybody just happened. Okay. 9,000. Move on. I think to a certain extent, he realizes hes winning right now. I mean, when you look at all the poles that are coming out, despite the fact that weve done this now for three weeks, Donald Trumps lead is growing in the polls over joe biden, leading in the swing states. And so if he can just obviously continue doing what hes doing, the legal side, theyre probably feel like theyre winning that two. And so they just continue just basically blocking and tackling, doing the basics. He comes out of this even though its not the ideal situation, he comes out of this winning so how do you think he sees another thing that happened today is theyre going to have a whole bunch of days off. Trump does get a day off number. He had said, oh, theyre denying me a day off for my sons graduation, which was not true. And today the judge said, well, now it appears this case well be going through that time. So of course youre gonna have your sons graduation off and other attorney needs a day off said if the trial is still going on, then youll get a day off. Thats all the way out in june 3 juror has to going away on a trip on a friday at 11. So the court gets put on recess it just extends all this out and makes the trial go longer. How how much of an impact does that have on him mark in terms of campaigning, right as this continues to drag further and further out well, and obviously keeps him off the campaign trail at least three, four days a week, depending on the trial schedule. But as we see tomorrow, hes headed to met to michigan and wisconsin. Hell have a rally or for events over the weekend. So hes making the best of this situation. It doesnt surprise me that the liberals and democrats want to drag this thing out as long as humanly possible, because it does keep him under a gag order and keep him off the campaign trail. But right now the way the polls look, thats actually turning to be in favorable for donald trump. I think hes maximizing it and so let this thing continue on. But the sooner it ends, the better well, and ill say in terms of dragging it out, just the logistics of that courtroom, the two dates requested were both from the trump team. So in terms of the logistics of whos responsible for dragging it out, it is it is the defense, not the prosecution, at least in terms of the days that were approved today, that i saw i am curious though, mark, as to your perception of his ability to campaign. It is a grueling experience to sit in that courtroom and it is grueling for him. Its grueling for everybody in there so how does he manage to do that . Hes got to sit there. Hes got to be paying attention, which he is. Then all of a sudden you have a day off and youre supposed to go out in the campaign chairman, theres only so long that anybody can withstand that and thats the situation of these in yeah. I mean, i wouldnt say it. Put it this way. I mean being president and then campaigning and sitting through all of those meetings in the oval office, the situation room, all of the various things you have to do when youre president and then turning around, heading out and turning it on to be in a campaign rally, since thats gotta be pretty taxing as well. So i think hes probably more than capable of doing that. Again, not the ideal situation, but i think hes making the best of it. And i have a feeling youre going to see a lot more Campaign Events around new york where even on the days when he is in trial, gets him out there amongst the people, among the adoring folks out there. And it gives him a shot to possibly put new york in play. Well that i think would be that would be a true seismic event much bigger than the earthquake we all experienced recently. All right. Mark. Thank you very much. And still ahead, we are watching multiple protests right now. 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Shes on the scene for us at the university of North Carolina at chapel hill. These are live pictures. Were showing our viewers right now. Diana update our viewers all right. I cannot here on ifp anymore, but im assuming that you are on our pictures right now. What i can tell you is that this is a very intense escalation from how it has been for the past several hours, there was a rally and silent vigil for palestine that occurred for several after they i dont know if you can see right now, theyre taking the palestinian in flag down off the ball, which was put up there about 30 minutes or so ago by protesters, they took the American Flag down, raised the palestinian flag about five minutes or so ago we saw a large group of Police Officers come down polk place and just sort of come for the students who had interlocking arms around this flag pole. It appears theyre trying to remove the palestinian flag and re raise an American Flag up on this flagpole here. But with the force that this was done, pushing down students some into these barricades that were placed up this morning after police cleared an encampment that had been here on polk place for about 90 hours. A university of North Carolina sent an email and i sent out a paper statement basically warning the students said 5307 this morning, they had to clear the encampment by 6 00 a. M. Many of the students we spoke with said that they were sleeping and did not know until some faculty came down about ten minutes before six to get out, according to the university, about 30 people were detained. I spoke with the District Attorney. He said that is a mix of arrest and citations talking to students. They say that again, they were very surprised by this. They felt that it had been a very peaceful encampment up to that point, the university of North Carolina says that they were violation of negotiations that have been ongoing by putting tense back up on sunday afternoon. The University Students who were at the encampment told me today that they felt like there was no real negotiation with the university. They felt like this was more of a onesided conversation. They had taken the tenths down twice already, but there had been no real discussion with the university. Those students say about their demands of divestment and disclosure of finances. Now, they say that that is why they put those tense back up on sunday afternoon. What the university deemed does that violation . For them to go and clear the encampment this morning . The students again saying there was no real honest negotiation they felt with the school and that was why they kept those up. Now, again, this is an intense escalation from what we saw just 20 minutes ago or so, there were students dancing and chanting. You can now hear other students coming and staying usa, usa were seeing more students now come to holy place. This sort of green area where wed actually been seeing a decrease in people out here. They were finishing for the day we had lots of speakers out here earlier that we were listening to roughly five or six hours after many of those people who were either arrested or cited were released. Now they put barricades up after the encampment was cleared this morning, and we did see these protesters. You can see theres a couple of skirmishes over here. We did see those protests are sort of remove those barricades after several hours first of that, protests and silent vigil to come and take down the American Flag, put up the palestinian flag, and continue their chance. Everything that we have observed today from about noon on has been incredibly peaceful and very low key for the most part up until we saw the officers run across this lawn here eric that is really the most Intense Energy that we have felt im im gonna let you kind of look at what is going on again here, but it does appear theyre just trying to raise this American Flag up. Im gonna get my photographer westboro is just sort of show the growing number of students that is starting to come here to pull place. Now, again, this is not what the situation necessarily look like just a few moments ago here at the university of North Carolina all right. Dianne gallagher showing us these images of course, at the beginning when we were seeing those police have come in to try to reach voice that American Flags, some of those images diane had were really dramatic. Kids sort of being if thrown out from that coordinate of Police Officers from what we could see, a few of them. 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And the point of that is that he had his own selfinterest and this and i think that plays into what the cross is going to be of him, which ultimately is going to establish the people who were pulling off these deals, whether it was Michael Cohen, david pecker, Keith Davidson were all selfinterested. Were all duplicitous to an extent, and i think what the defense is going to want is the jury to say who can trust any of these people . Now the prosecution though, is saying, look these people are the most lovely folks, but theyre telling you what they did. Their stories are backing one another up and there are documents. Heres payoff payments, heres invoices, heres contracts that back this all up. So i think thats the fundamental conflict were seeing here. And something prosecutors will be certain to say, or at least imply is that the mere fact that big dollar amounts get involved doesnt necessarily mean that the behavior is more shady. Youre judging conduct under new york state law and if there were payments made and misrepresented and records for the purpose of concealing them from from from voters. Thats the crime and set aside what you think about the money and the porn stars and all that business i my question is, this is, as we discussed during jury selection, azure, a welleducated manhattan jury, immediate savvy, couple lawyers are they do they really is this jury going to be impacted the way other juries might by unseemly characters . Or are they a little jaded to this . Im just understand that some unseemly characters are part of the equation is the answer. Well, i can, i practice in front of manhattan . Its the latter and thats a great point that david makes manhattan juries are pretty sophisticated and theyre, theyre not pearl cultures, theyre not gonna be like horribly offended by the notion of payoffs and they get, you know, they read the tabloids. So i actually think thats an important nuance here. I think that could help the prosecution that theyre not gonna be oh, my im so offended. So sleazy. I can deal with their New York Times or fine. The thing that davidson does is he corroborates david pecker. Yeah and thats important because pecker corroborates Michael Cohen and what he also does and he did on the stand is make the case that he knew that this story was not going to be published, and that he knew and he gave two explanations for it. One was to build her brand so she wouldnt get tarnished by it. And the other reason he said is that there was a close affiliation between david pecker and donald trump, that ami would not run this story. So he also knew, or is saying that donald trump somehow was involved and knew about the deal to silence this case, to quash it, right. To not tell the story and so thats more corroboration in a way that donald trump was involved in all of this and knew about it and was aware of it. Is Keith Davidsons testimony setting the stage for Stormy Daniels testimony . I answer. Good way to think about it, and its almost as if crafting a narrative. It makes sense for prosecutors to have the broader witness a witness. I think one step further removed from the defendant who can sort of lay the stage for Stormy Daniels is testimony. Then once jurors have somewhat of an understanding of how the transaction worked and how things played out. Then you could go to the more specific witness and get her testimony. So i think it is sort of laying groundwork his testimony also is making Michael Cohen unlikeable it is and some of that might be a deliberate attempt on the part of the prosecutors to acknowledge that they have a witness that has some credibility as shes now again, this is a witness whose testimony is likely to be supported by other witnesses testimony and documents, and so on. But something they have to confront is the fact that that crossexamination of Michael Cohens its going to be pretty weathering. And so it is in their interest to be the ones to put that on the record and not give that grounded. The defendant is i can just because im seeing the updates here, theres testimony now that Stormy Daniels manager called him and was summed, quote, some jerk called me some jerk, and was very, very aggressive and threatened to sue me. And then davidson can confirm that the jerk in question was Michael Cohen to eliots poetry in relation to that 2011 blog post that appeared about Stormy Daniels and potentially having a relationship with donald trump and Michael Cohen is lighting up the world on fire of anyone belated Stormy Daniels to try and get this blog post taken care of and obviously, he was not at all pleasant to deal with. He was screaming i dont think he was accusing us of anything. He was just screaming davidson sense and then according to our reporters inside the overflow room are watching this there was laughter in the overflow room when this testimony came up because everybody recognizes that Michael Cohen behavior, anybody who knows michael recognizes the behavior. And by the way, thats behavior that donald trump might say is okay because he likes aggressive lawyers and Michael Cohen was aggressive to the extreme things. I cohen has said that sat as much that that is the kind of behavior that the former president valued now, but just a little bit of trial psychology here. Imagine if all of this information first came out on the crossexamination of Michael Cohen if someone put them on the standard set, im going to read you messages and Text Messages that say youre a jerk. Do you know about the end . Its psychologically for the journey . 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He helped facilitate both of their Hush Money Deals tied to alleged affairs with donald trump, aaron Wolf Davidson is the fourth witness of the day, and it was a day that started with trump being held in contempt, find 9,000 for violating the gag order nine times 1,000 per violation. Im joined again by paula reid and Phil Mattingly. And paula. Interesting some of the the, context from the room right now, is davidsons continuing to testify is that hes turning toward the jury. Of course, hes an attorney. Yeah. And he knows to do that. But what i found interesting this morning was pretty much all four of the witnesses did. Its very intimate, so it was very natural when asked a question even in this direction to sort of naturally look a little bit at you and then talk to the jury. The other im telling a story to the jury. I want to interrupt for one second right now where we keep davidson on the stand and he is someone who you about the impact, but the access Hollywood Tape had on interest in the story of one of his clients, Stormy Daniels. He said, quote, wave the white flag. Its over. Howard responded to davidson and this is of course, an exchange again about the access Hollywood Tape. Currently david had just texted howard saying trump is f. So theyre talking about how the access Hollywood Tape really changed the calculation in terms of interests in Stormy Daniels story about an alleged affair with trump, there was this concern that the access Hollywood Tape would be the end of trumps chances at the white house. And there was this added incentive to suppress negative stories, particularly of a sexual nature. So thats what davidson is texting about right now. And thats really important because in the context of that, right, they realize theyve got this huge problem. And then the urgency thats what they were laying out earlier this morning with pharaoh. The prosecution, the urgency with which Michael Cohen set up this llc to pay Stormy Daniels and that from initiation to funding to wire going out, there werent even 24 for hours. So theyre trying to establish both that all the sudden there was a crisis and that theres a very quick moved in that case to pay off Stormy Daniels to suppress the story for the campaign then the story thats being told by davidson right now is the genesis of how they got to this point where it has included Keith Davidson saying there was not actually a lot of interests in this story in the marketplaces are his words about the Stormy Daniels story prior to the access Hollywood Tape coming out. And it was when the access Hollywood Tape came out that the entire dynamic shifted. You remember the prosecution has been talking about this driving towards this point as everything changed, then this is what dramatically changed. This moment for donald trump, for Michael Cohen, for everybody that was involved in this case. And davidson making very clear if people were aware of issues about the story had been been raised prior. Thats when the discussion about Michael Cohen, Michael Cohen being a jerk which by the way, i think a lot of us would acknowledge is fairly familiar. Michael cohen calling, yelling, being very angry at somebody kind of busy but what changed was the access Hollywood Tape and theyre making very clear in these Text Messages that are being read, read that davidson and others thought that Trumps Campaign was dead in the water. But what changed is the Stormy Daniels story all sudden got new legs and reached a peak moment for them. So what im trying to understand and paula though, is the clearly the prosecution is trying to make the case that the Karen Mcdougal payment theyre illustrating this pattern, began. It also seems to go against what theyre saying, right . Theyre saying and they lay it all out there meeting a lot of emphasis on the dates of these text exchanges between Karen Mcdougals lawyer, also Keith Davidson, and ami all in june . Yeah. Right. Well, before any of this, so theyre saying well, before any of this hey, am i was willing to pay for a story to help donald trump. But then at the same time theyre trying to say, oh, it was all because the Access Hollywood thats what made it. But that hadnt happened then. So what how does this Karen Mcdougal situation helped them directly. So Karen Mcdougals situation, Stormy Daniels situation, they are similar and that they both have stories about alleged faris with trump, but theyre different and the Karen Mcdougal story was bought by the company that owns the National Enquirer and then suppressed long before the access Hollywood Tape. But you can tell from davidsons testimony that they still knew that suppressing that story was helping the trump campaign. Whats different about the Stormy Daniels . A situation is that her story was suppressed through an agreement with Michael Cohen. Michael cohen arranges to pay her effectively hush money. Thats not a crime. The issue though is that this was done to help prosecutors allege trump win the election. And also they falsified documents in order to facilitate this payment. So earlier today, we heard from cohens banker who said, yeah, i thought you were setting up the Shell Company for a real estate transaction. I had no idea this had anything to do with a porn star. If it did, it would have gotten more scrutiny. So Karen Mcdougal is brought in to establish a pattern, but its the Stormy DanielsHush Money Payment that is the core of the criminal case here. The criminal case, because of the falsifying docx. Exactly. Yeah. In are done in furtherance of an effort to help trump win the white house. And thats what elevates falsifying checks or Business Records to a felony. The idea that it was done in furtherance of really a federal crime they say again, hes not charged with that. They dont have to prove that. But by saying theyre connected, that it was done in furtherance of this. That is how this was elevated to a felony federal crime, of course, which was not charged its exactly. And thats where things start to get a little tricky in this case. All right. Well, thank you, both. Wolfe back to you. Thanks there. And, you know, its interesting, elliott, theyre spending a lot of time talking about the access Hollywood Video tape, which of course all of us remember. But the judge has ruled they cant show it to the jurors. Why . Because the video itself could be seen as prejudicial to the defendant vacant. Speak about what the fact that it existed, the fact that people had reactions to it, that there were communications about the video, theres sort of things were seeing here, the aftermath and the fallout, but the evidence itself, as conveyed on the video just runs afoul of evidentiary rules and they just dont want to get a lot of questions about that tape, the impact it could have on the whole situation, certainly he and i know elie honig has had this happen to him to what trial there are there is information thats in the world where you have the words of a defendant, the words of a wetness, a document, a piece of clothing that for whatever reason cant be brought into court it would help your case and would help establish that the defendant the defendants guilt. But for whatever reason hes under whether its hearsay rules are other rules of evidence or not wanting to unduly prejudice the defendant. It cant come into court and it just had how significant is elie that prosecutors are asking Keith Davidson, the lawyer, so many questions about stormy well, theyre trying to establish a link care, obviously because davidson represented Stormy Daniels and i think the access Hollywood Tape is becoming this pivotal moment, right where the prosecutors argument is, this is where they got really scared for Donald Trumps electoral prospects. And theres a text that the jury was just showing. We had an update a couple of minutes ago where dylan howard from ami from the company that publishes, right the National Enquirer texts. Keith davidson, who store manuals, attorney quote this is the final nail in the coffin referring to the access Hollywood Tape. Now, prosecutors will love that. Its a visceral image thatll stick in the juries had in fact thats your whole argument about the access Hollywood Tape. If youre the prosecution, that tape when that came out, that was the final nail in the coffin. Thats why they were so desperate to pay off Stormy Daniels. The downside is its not exactly between the people you want it to be between. Its between underlings is not doesnt evolve. Michael cohen does involve donald trump doesnt even involve david pecker, but still, thats a good texts prosecutors pretty bad political analysis. Yes. True there was no cholera is a low number daybell. A lot of us remember at the time when that access Hollywood Video tape came out, we all thought it might be the end of the trump campaign. We certainly thought it might be. It ended up that it wasnt. We all were in this collective moment of holding our breath to see what the report Publican Party was going to do around him. And at the end of the day, it was not his undoing at the end of that election. Youll recall in fact, that story broke on a friday. There was a debate on sunday against Hillary Clinton and donald trump showed up with all of bill clintons female accusers. I mean, the whole thing was just an insane 48 hours but it does explain the panic. We see this bravado outside, right . And and donald trump coaston debate and he tries to flip the script on bill, Hillary Clinton. But what, what was going on . Inside the campaign was Michael Cohens panic. And Michael Cohen, even though he didnt work for the campaign, he worked for donald trump, but it explains partially why he was so insistent and why they didnt want a deal with him because he got crazy. Right. And he wanted things done quickly. He wanted the Karen Mcdougal done quickly, but stormy. He was really worried about. And it explains it explains it now, did he go and panic that much on his own . Was he being directed by donald trump . Did Donald Trumps say to him handle it which is the normal way he would do things that has yet to come out, but it does explain Michael Cohens behavior in a way and why he was so crazed just those are the exact questions that juries wondering right now right . 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How do you expect trumps attorneys to crossexamine Keith Davidson carefully . You know, obviously understanding that left on rebutted they trump attorneys need to make certain that they get some things that they they they need. On the other hand, you want to be very careful about how you handle that witness. Im not trying to do too much a lot. A witness kinda wander off in areas that potentially could be damaging. So it most lawyers in this situation where youre talking about you know, prior client relationships, i think will be what the answer a very carefully and i think you take that as a given if youre trumps Defense Lawyers and you tried to make some very limited objectives. And then when youre done, you know, dont prolong the crossexamination. Its time to quit which is i think knowing its time to quit, it has been interesting and every one of these cases when theres been across, theres been another redirect and then another recross. It seems to be just the way this is going again and again robert jareh have also heard more about the access Hollywood Tape and Michael Cohens fear as concerned about the effect that the Stormy Daniels story would have on the trump campaign. Obviously that weve been talking about this here, the Karen Mcdougal situation and payment predated the access Hollywood Tape, right . To god. Karen mcdougal, then Access Hollywood months later, then Stormy Daniels how do you think that the prosecution is handling this this thus far when theyre trying to prove that the Stormy Daniels case was different in this crucial regard of the urgency with which the campaign felt it had to address this issue in the days before the election i think theyre managing it about as well as to be expected. But the facts here ultimately are ones that the jury is trying to evaluate. I mean, theyre not going to evaluate how the prosecution handled this. Ultimately, i think theyre going to have a view about whether those facts add up and our persuasive that to the, the governments case about what the motivations were by the campaign. And more specifically, since the campaigns on trial, donald trump is about specifically what his intent was and theyre trying to create a narrative and a story. And you understand why. And they are seeking to introduce evidence with regard to all three of those that you mentioned in that regard, the question is whether or not those facts add up the either do or they dont the prosecution can make that effort. Its the job of the defense to poke holes in that narrative factually, if it can be done to talk about alternatives or at least imply alternatively that there were other reasons why the campaign was doing what it was doing yeah. I mean, i guess what im obviously the heart of this case is falsification of business documents related to the Stormy Daniels payment. But this morning they spent a lot of time getting Keith Davidson to say that he knew that doing a deal for Karen Mcdougal which is not obviously the criminal allegation in this case was in and of itself done to influence the election me the direct question to Keith Davidson about the Karen Mcdougal payment was if you were to close this deal, did you have an understanding that this would help Candidate Trump, Keith Davidson answers in one word, yes and then elaborate. He elaborated on making it clear that he knew it would help trumps candidacy. Do you think that thats confusing to jurors at all . Right. Because im making the point that the Karen Mcdougal payment was to help trumps candidacy, but then theyre not essentially trying to say that theres anything wrong with that in that case i think look, it at one level, aaron. I mean, lets just talk about common sense, which is ultimately what a jury of 12 exercise, right . I mean, thats what theyre charged with doing. The common sense aspect of this is that youve got to be careful about how far the prosecution takes us at one level, almost anything potentially affects the outcome of a campaign. And all of those somethings that potentially affect an outcome of a campaign obviously are not illegal. So i think its going to be tough. This is adina, why theres this. Theres a trial for the jury to sort of separate out our is there a zone of facts here which are intended to directly impact a campaign which can constitute the felony component of what otherwise is a misdemeanor documents case, and that will be that will be the issue as the prosecution is trying to shore that up. In these three areas, but you know we have to be careful about how far you take that because again, at a very common sense level anything that anybody does potentially has the effect of impacting a campaign all right robert ray. Thank you very much. Appreciate your weighing in and we are continuing to following the breaking trial, as well as the Breaking News right now unfolding on College Campuses across the country, including at the university of North Carolina chapel hill with sub truly intense altercations between police and protesters moments ago, a confrontation between in the two groups over whether the us or palestinian flag would fly from that flagpole on your screen, well be back next so this playoffs, a great teammates trust each other. Were going to do a trust stand up, trust. What you we have done told him he was a dummy hey, hun im gonna go grab a pick a team with the guys. Okay. Okay. Live it up, taking the car we what have 3d okay. I love you smart lander referred the ultimate smart protection easy removal, cleaning, and install. It smart its smart, liner from friends coming over to moms coming over so many ways to save life, ready, wallet, happy. Thats 3605 by Whole Foods Market hey, there, brenda. Its carroll. 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A short time ago, police have propalestinian protesters clashed over at the university of North Carolina at one point, police were even pushing back some of the demonstrators we just learned the school has now canceled classes meantime dozens of protesters at Columbia University in new york remain inside a campus administrative building after breaking inside overnight, we have our correspondence live at both campuses monitoring these late breaking developments for us want to start with cnns Polo Sandoval these live over at Columbia University polo, i understand students are now being threatened with expulsion, not just suspension, but expulsion for these demonstrations. Is that having any effect so far on the protest, there . Now at is quite wolfe and that thread is aimed directly at the individuals that are occupying the building that you may be able to see over my right shoulder just outside of the perimeter of the Columbia University is a pro palestinian protests, likely sanding marching and solidarity with the industry visuals that are occupying the building on campus, which is the one that youre able to see there. My colleague jeff winter and update actions to speak to one than theres a member of the Columbia University apartheid divest, which one of the negotiators was participating in these conversations that finally in estelle made recently Mahmoud Khalil tele, my colleague, that there are some members of his organization that are actively participating in the occupation of that historic craig Hamilton Hall, khalil also adding that whatever happens next is entirely in the hands of the university. And he also said another thing thats quite interesting here kahlil telling cnn that he is calling on negotiations to resume between the people who are inside that building that are in it for the long haul, apparently based on what we saw earlier today, and the university will follow standby. I want to go to see this Dianne Gallagher. Shes over at the university of North Carolina, chapel hill. Diane, we saw some very heated moments, not that long ago between police and protesters. Where you are as university of North Carolina whats happening down . For now . The police are gone from polk place. Were not sure if theyre going to return, but i want you to see whats behind me you mentioned earlier that the university of North Carolina sent out a carolina alert canceling classes basically from 3pm until midnight. Now, look, this is the last day of classes the police in the video or anything that you saw earlier in the hour coming out here. Some of the protesters had taken the original American Flag down. They wasted a palestinian flag. They were arm in arm chanting and dancing and protesting. And thats when we saw the police run across polk place, push some of those protesters down, push them out of the way the interim chancellor of the university was also out there with them as they brought the flag. Youre seeing now, back out and raised that flag on this flagpole. As, soon as the police were pushed or walked off of this area, we saw some other who appear to be students come here and try and keep that flag up. Another protester brought it down almost immediately after police left and we now have students who at least for the past 20 minutes or so, ive been holding up the American Flag. Now again, this all comes hours after there was an encampment that was here for about 90 hours that was cleared by law enforcement, about 30 students detain many of those students, tell me that they felt that it was extremely violent by police in the morning about 6 00 a. M. They got about a 20 minute at best notice. They said the university claims that it is because they erected tense on sunday. The students say that they put those up because there were no true negotiations with the university about their demands for divestment and disclosure. Wolfe oh hi diane thank you. Dianne gallagher over the university of North Carolina in chapel hill, Polo Sandoval is over at Columbia University. Well check back with both of you. Aaron, lots going on all right. Well, often i following these latest developments in the trump trial, everyone can see on your screen just sort of our updates a minute by minute. Keith davidson still on the stand right now talking with prosecutors, joshua steinglass, doing the questioning for the prosecution qian and you can see this Michael Cohens not paying not not paying up on the Stormy Daniels deal and here it is, davidsons as he comes to believe that cohen did not have the authority to spend the money even though cohen had promised he was going i pay theres no money, theres no money, theres no money. And youre reaching this point where she says shes going to walk. This is connecting some of the testimony that we heard earlier. You were in the courtroom when a cohens banker was testifying about the urgency that cohen came to him with when he set up that second Shell Company. How he took out a line of credit against his his home and put that get into a Shell Company which was almost that money was almost immediately sent to mr. Davidson. Now we have another update. It says, i think you can tell by these emails i was sending him cohen, there was a great level of frustration by me and my client. So thats davidson talking about their frustration that he and Stormy Daniels felt with Michael Cohen believing that they were not going to get paid, which is why they started to raise the possibility that she was going to rename on this whole agreement and possibly go public with her story. So as prosecutors here setting up why cohen had to move so quickly and reminding everyone why they were such a concern right now about Stormy Daniels story getting out the access Hollywood Tape just come out about a week prior. The election is just a few weeks away. Suddenly there is a lot of incentive for cohen and possibly for trump to suppress daniel story. So thats what theyre getting mr. Davidson to talk about right now. Thats specific point in time. Right. And building up really the intensity that was in that moment in a sense, what theyre trying to build up pressure that was on Michael Cohen to deliver because at this point, were there right now. He was failing he was failing to deliver at repeatedly and the Stormy Daniels story might be about to explode onto the scene. That is whats interesting is theres one exchange where cohen says to davidson he expressed his frustration is what would he took me to do . My guys in five states today talking about then Candidate Trump and we all remember this last weeks of the campaign, or at least i do have been on that kid covering it over the plane was quite literally hitting three, four, or five states a day. And that was when davidson comes back and says, this is what tells the prosecutor. This is when he concluded that cohen did not have the authority to actually spend the money. And i think one of the Big Questions is we get another update says asked he thought daniels would ever see the money. Davidson says, never prior to the funding know and i think that underscores at the skepticism that it just continued to build after missing deadline, after deadline, after deadline and that cone didnt have the authority, but also underscoring what you see the other side of that, which is what the testimony when youre in the courtroom earlier, the urgency that cohen was feeling as the real possibility of them turning away from this agreement was razzie. All right. As were speaking there has been a post on trumps truth, social. So if someones post, i dont know how this is happening because hes actually in the courtroom, but he has just posted this judge has taken away my constitutional right to free speech. Free speech is all in caps. Im the only president ial candidate in history to be gagged caps this whole quote, trial is rigged. And by taking away my freedom of speech, now were all caps to the end. Those highly conflicted judge is rigging the president ial of 2024 election election interference now, the context here is hes been fine 9,000 from nine violations of the gag order. Not as many as were alleged, but almost fell if that is one per thousand dollars per violation, hes remove those posts from to social coming out with this one. Now, this one slamming the judge. The judge is not subject to the gag order. Yeah. The good news is that that appear actually, i got it appeared to me within the bounds of the gag order. There are a lot of first put that back up because thats important to emphasize that yeah, he is allowed under the gag order to criticize the judge for the District Attorney, alvin bragg. So here he goes after some of the decisions that the judge has has made, for example, taking away his constitutional right to free speech. Well, its one thing weve learned over the past few months. Its that his right to free speech, even if he is a candidate for the white house, even if it is political speech, a heightened level of protected speech there are limits when you are a criminal defendant. Im the only president ial candidate in history to be gad. That is true because you were also the only president ial candidate in history to be a criminal defendant. And here the gag order is not meant to restrict his ability to engage in political speech. It is to protect the people who are involved in this process, like the jury, like the prosecutors who were not elected, like de a bragg Family Members of the judge, and others now, trump and his lawyers have unsuccessfully argued that they should be able to criticize these people. But as we know, this gag order has repeatedly been found. And upheld because there have to be limits on what he says. Hes going to go after the jury. Theres no way if this those folks fear for their safety that this process can continue working. What paul is saying is that this this appeal heres to be in line with the jaguar that that would be abide by the Technical Rules because of the inaccurate, but technically in line with the gag order. Right. All right. Paul and paula. Thank you very much. And we continue to follow it. Follow the second week of this crucial criminal trial, the testimony of Donald Trumps criminal trial, Hush Money Trial here in new york are Special Coverage continues, right after this break every weekday morning, cnns five things has what you need to get going with your day is the five Essential Stories of the morning in five minutes or less. Cnns five things with kate bolduan Streaming Weekdays exclusively on macs water would help with this dry spots. Thats long disease. But scotts healthy plus will cure its lung disease, go down so like other people have it and its not pick up a bag of the newest got start builder healthy plus lomb through today what youre doing . 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And by taking away my freedom of speech, this highly conflicted judge is rigging the president ial of 2024 election election interference. This is what he posted on truth, social. Is this a violation of the gag order . As i read it, its not the judge was quite explicit that the two people that the foreign president is allowed to attack directly are number one, the judge, and number two, the District Attorney, the elected District Attorney himself, alvin bragg the foreign president , has done that. Their now we can ask the question of whether this is politically wise or good, or how this resonates with voters. But under the law, hes allowed to say those things the gag order allows us would are prevented him from going after court staff courts. The judge, a member of the courts step, he segregated themselves out and said, you can come after me. I am the boss. However, my because it started with the law clerk, the judges career law clerk, that the former president had identified by name and was putting information ancient out about that actually got a lot of unwanted attention toward her way. So the judge made clear staff offlimits. Judge, the guy at the top and the District Attorney on limits. Lets limits two daughters. Yeah. I look i think this is not a violation of the gag order. Its donald trump complaining about the judge. And i think were going to continue to hear that. Im not quite sure when he did this because he was in court and i and i dont know when he had the opportunity to maybe somebody did it on his bank. That posing, he pushes he did not delete somebody did somebody does it on his behalf. But just to get back to whats going on in court for a minute Keith Davidson, i think has been a very good witness for the prosecution so far. And he he were counted when the money didnt come on time he recounted how Michael Cohen told him my guy was in several different states and it was on the campaign trail and that he couldnt make decisions in his absence. And thats another thats another way of saying that donald trump was very involved in the Hush Money Payments. And i think that davidson has made that point, that it was always trump and that Michael Cohen was subservient i mean, what davidson at this point, were talking october 17, 2016. He has so frustrated that Michael Cohen has not said payment yet and he did detailing every excuse in the book that Michael Cohen is giving the secret service has so many firewalls up, cant get any, just came to the conclusion he wasnt gonna get paid. And so he surely sent at the end of that day without payment, wolfe to Stormy Daniels a miss if to Michael Cohen that says my client has said this is now null and void, the shoes out of this agreement no longer are you having rights to her story because she hasnt received payment and by the way, i dont represent her anymore. So dont call me thats the level of frustration he had gotten that with cohen refusing to pay and he said at one point, cohen said, forget it. Ill just pay it myself and we know what happened. And then we also saw cones frustration and cones feeling that everything was urgent when he was talking to the banker because he was in this situation where he needed to come up with this money. He couldnt get donald trump to deal with it or do it. So he had to do it himself. And he was panicking and this was all kind of explained, worried his wife would find out about personal money. So he didnt just write a check because she handled the finances. So he took out this home equity loan, which she would not have known about, but again, the banker said everything was urgent. Yeah. With Michael Cohen and now we know why. Of course, a davidson said his perception was this is what he testified to right before break that Michael Cohen was trying to kick the can down the road until after the election which ties directly back to the fact that davids and davidsons testimony, he believed this payment situation was directly related to donald trump as a candidate for president , and that this would be bad for the campaign quickly led, you think when Michael Cohen actually comes into the courtroom and testifies, hell backup all these allegations that weve been hearing about. The prosecutors certainly hope so. Again, you never know what a witness is going to say, and you never know about the gray areas in which their recollection is slightly different than what other witnesses said. Now, i have a hard time believing that prosecutors would have put up these various witnesses if in fact their testimony was actually going to conflict with each other, they didnt maybe coach what they were going to say, but certainly have a census what theyre going to proceed with. So i think it will support they will support each other. And then the real fight will be on crossexamination when the defense gets to attack Michael Cohen. Thats going to be a lively moment in deed. Everybody believed standing by for that everyones stick around, stay with cnn are special live coverage. Well continue right after another quick break chasing life. Dr. Sanjay gupta, listen wherever you get your podcasts from friends coming over to moms coming over so many ways to save life, ready while it happy about 3605 by Whole Foods Market, we just want to have enough money for retirement and traveled to visit our grandchildren. I understand. 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Fred fuel up your thing like a pro painfree absorb been pro think that our democracy is at risk. We have to be very concerned why do you think hes doing this . And can he be talked out of do you think hes guilty . The lead with jake tapper next on cnn welcome back to our special live coverage of Donald TrumpsHush Money Trial. Trump is the first us president to be charged in a criminal case. We are now nearing the end of yet another day of testimony in this unprecedented trial. And for understand the context here, were joined by president ial historian douglas brinkley, also a professor of history at Rice University. So doug, its great to see you here we are another de of testimony in this its trial. Having sat in that room, one of the things that stands out to me the most is just how intimate and small it is. And also how normal it is. In a sense, right . This is the courtroom, this is how things happen. Of course, the defendant its an extraordinary situation, historical historic. This is trump ball leaving the courtroom today at the end of the testimony as you watch this all unfold, dug, a former president of the United States coming in and add back courtroom in and out for a break in and out for lunch out here at the end of the day, just like any other defendant and all of those ways what stands out to you owe the big thing is they former president United States donald trump is being charged by a for contempt you know, hes been being fine for breaking the gag orders. Hes done, kept posting on social media on his Campaign Site and 9,000 Means Nothing to trump, but the judges now threatening incarceration. It seemed to be a very tough line or that the judge today is undertaken that that stood out a lot also, history, well be looking at this kind of split screen of Columbia University. And then another part of new york, this trial, and it seeming to feel like an unraveling of america. And third, takeaway, aaron was not talked about a lot of cnn, but ken paxton being there on the front row with eric trump, that is the Texas Attorney general who is constantly hes suing the Biden Administration is being charged for fraud and security improprieties is always in the eye of the law and warring with the fbi. And is the single biggest voice that champions the abolishing of roe v. Wade. He is the number one anti womens rights activist and theyre trump has hymns as a kind of surrogate with his son on the front row interested at that happened today, right . I mean, and it was also the first day that one of trumps Family Members had been in the court when eric trump came in and donald trump did take a moment to speak to him just when you take a step back and talk about the unraveling of america died. But how do these visuals play for you in that sense, there is a there is an insecurity and all of it for anyone watching Something Like this, watching a former president as a criminal defendant in a trial and 15th floor of a manhattan courthouse well, with all of our modernity and technological advances that were still really beholden to people with sketchbooks and the courts. Those drawings will live on a course forever. I see donald trump is being very frightened, not frightened that hes going to go to jail between now and the election. But i do believe that if he does really squawk one more time, hes allowed to go after the judge, but he cannot go after cohen. Stormy daniels that trumps really playing with buyers. So i think today hes been pacified a little. Hes doing his sort of routine of halfasleep, half awake. This is a waste of time, but one feels is it anger . Oh, and donald trump and not angry at himself, but angry at what he feels is a witch hunt. And i just cant imagine Melania Trump of dealing with mcdougal and daniels. How many others are out there what is my husband is a serial philanderer and i dont know how that works in a domestic environment at maralago. So trump will seek revenge if he if he can escape the the law of between now and november and is elected precedent good all right. Well, douglas brinkley, thank you very much. Good to talk to you again. As he said of his president ial historian, author and professor at Rice University our Special Coverage continues right after this brief break, were in Downtown Manhattan outside that court, where another day of testimony has just concluded, stay with us the whole myth we reimagined feed, you didnt know whether you were next they were both tied up . Yeah. Yeah. I was called in and i saw what turned out to be the biggest archives history it went from gold medal winning icon to a pariah would really happen with jesse l. 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He detailed a very contentious relationship with extrump lawyer Michael Cohen as the two men tried to work out a deal to sell oh, and silence mcdougal and daniel stories at one point, davidson admitting under oath to calling cohen a quote, jerk. Meanwhile, trump or rather someone working on his behalf, just posted on truth social blasting the gag order and the judge in the trial this after trump was fined some 9,000, this morning for violating the order multiple times to our viewers. Thanks very much for joining us. Im wolf blitzer in washington. Ill be back in two hours, 6 00 p. M. Eastern in the situation room. The lead with jake tapper starts right