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Welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world im wolf blitzer with a Special Report in the Situation Room the trump trial today in our trial coverage tonight, former National Enquirer executive, david pecker, details his efforts to quote, catch and kill negative stories about donald trump with the express goal of helping trumps first president ial campaign. The testimony getting to the heart of the prosecutions argument that trump illegally aspired to influence the 2016 election. Cnns Kara Scannell has all the Breaking News from inside the courtroom explosive witness testimony from a Tablet Executive and former president Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial on tuesday x National Enquirer publisher david pecker, described acting as the eyes and ears of trumps 2016 campaign, notifying trumps attorney, Michael Cohen about any negative stories to help get them killed in the lead up to the election. Pecker is a key player involved in the crux of the prosecutions case, an alleged scheme to pay off adult film star Stormy Daniels to cover up her alleged affair with trump to influence the 2016 election. Questioning centered on an august 2015 meeting between pecker, cohen and trump, where the alleged Conspiracy Heresy was hatched. Pecker who ran the National Enquirer, testified that at the meeting, i said what i would do is i would run or publish positive stories about mr. Trump and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. He additionally offered if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would know notify Michael Cohen as i did over the last several years. And Michael Cohen, then he would be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them trumps stared at pecker as he described, the 25minute meeting, but he did not react. Pecker said after the meeting he told the enquirers editor in chief about the mutually beneficial agreement. He said, were going to try to help the campaign and to do that, i want to keep this as quiet as possible. Joshua steinglass, then asked pecker about a specific catchandkill incident where a negative trumps story was bought and buried. Pecker testified he found trumps doorman was selling a story that he fathered a child with someone other than his wife, and he immediately alerted cohen pecker said his colleague negotiated a purchase. The story for 30,000. And when he called cohen to tell them, cohen responded, the boss would be very pleased. Even though the allegation was disproven. He testified i made the decision to purchase the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign. And mr. Trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, Buying Former Playboy model Karen Mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. Pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his colleague interviewed mcdougal, pecker said, i told him, i think you should buy it and trump responded saying, anytime he do anything like this, it always gets out. He said he would think about it and pecker would hear from cohen, trump denies having an affair with mcdougal, the morning started with a contentious hearing to determine if trump violated a gag order, not to talk about jurors or witnesses after he did so in social media posts, almost a dozen times which to me is totally constitutional. Trumps lawyer, todd blanche said the order was not clear about reposts and he tried to argue that the former president was actually trying to comply with the order judge juan merchan exasperated with blanches argument, scolded him and said, youre losing all credibility with the court now, the judge has not ruled yet on whether donald trump violated the gag order in this case, theres no court tomorrow, but court is back in session on thursday. David pecker will be back on the Witness Stand and he is expected to continue to testify about this pattern of hush money payments, including the 130,000 payment made to Stormy Daniels but the center of this case, Wolf Jurors Canal outside the courthouse in new york. Thank you very much. That 2015 meeting involving donald trump, Michael Cohen, and david pecker is certainly central to the prosecutions case against trump. And its a claim of a Criminal Conspiracy cnn legal analyst joey jackson is taking a closer look, force. Joey, lets dive into the socalled agreement among friends that were they called it an agreement among friends that david pecker testified about yeah. Without question, wolf. And so looking at this, were looking at the prosecutions case. Remember, the theory and you noted It Conspiracy and cover up. Lets take you into what that looks like. This is the august 2015 meeting and for conspiracy not that thats whats charge, but thats the essence of the claim that donald trump as the ringleader of this conspiracy of these people to bring together this Election Interference leading to the fraud and leading to the intent. Now, what do we have here at the meeting . Well, what we have is we have packer, we have tropic, we have Michael Cohen. These are the participants, catch and kill is born why . Because the intention with respect to what theyre going to do, theyre going to catch these stories by paying for them. Theyre going to kill them by suppressing them. They own the rights. And as a result of that, they could get rid of the story. But when it comes to favorable things for the president , thats something not then president Person Running for president. Thats something that they would otherwise do. Now. So take a look at that. Those are the principal participants, Michael Cohen being the middle person. Lets go and lets take a look at the state of mine. Now, this is significant wealth because this is specific Testimony Today. Why is this relevant . Lets start here. When were looking, were looking at is the issue of the president ial campaign. The concern about women, the National Enquirer. So what does he say in court today in a president ial campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a lot of women who would come to try to sell their stories because mr. Trump was wellknown as the most eligible bachelor and dated the most beautiful women. And it was clear that based on my past experience that when someone is running for Public Office like this, it is very common for these women to call up a magazine like the National Enquirer era, to try to sell their stories very important with respect to intent, state of mind, and the issue of Election Interference. Wolf and joey, david pecker testified about Michael Cohens role in that socalled agreement. How did that translate into what tabloids actually published . Yes. So thats very critical. Lets take a look at that. So now when we look at this, again, taking you into these specific testimony, this is peckers testimony. Michael cohen, again a central figure. Were going to take a look at that negative articles, right . And about embellishments. So heres how it played testimony directly from pecker in court today, Michael Cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on a certain, lets say, for arguments sake on, and these are the enemies right . At the particular time, ted cruz, right . Michael cohen, then would send information about ted cruz or Ben Carson Marco rubio that was the basis for our story. And then we would embellish from that last point, that is, you have the positive stories as it relates to trump, right . Trump taking charge there. You have the negative story. Ted cruz, father link to jfk assassination. Thats the basins, the essence of it and thats testimony that we heard today. It versus the guard, joey jackson. Thanks very much. Lets break all of this down with our legal and political experts and cant pull anse youve been doing excellent reporting on all of this explain why prosecutors spent so much time establishing how catch and kill that theory of catch and kill worked in coordination with Michael Cohen, the former president s fixer and lawyer . Yeah. Will this charts the ark of what leads to trump allegedly falsifying these dozens of business records, his checks to Michael Cohen, and what david pecker is doing on this Stand Yesterday And Today is hes laying out the scheme, the catch and kill scheme. Hes also establishing the network around trump. Its not just that hes in the room with trump having conversations with him. Theres also Michael Cohen in that network and others in the political fear from Trumps Campaign at the time. And then hes underlining the motivation. He says over and over again on the stand today to that jury, that he wanted to protect the campaign and donald trump from embarrassment from these stories coming out. So hes putting those pieces together. Theyre going to work as Building Blocks as the trial goes on where other witnesses will illuminate different aspects. He also had a very important point that he made on the stand that it was donald trump himself and pecker witness this, who would review invoices and sign his checks when they were brought to him by an assistant, another building block. Were very likely to be hearing about that again, with other witnesses was pick will be hearing more and more about that. Ankush khardori a former federal prosecutor, i want to read a key exchange from today prosecutors asked pecker this and im quoting now, prior to the august 2015 meeting, had you ever purchased a story to not print it about mr. Trump . Pecker responded on no. So how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the president ial election. Yeah. Was that the timing of that . Particular meeting helps do it because therell be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. This is the start of a story that its really going to be extending throughout this trial. Its not actually the crux of the criminal case. The crux of the criminal case concerns how and why Stormy Daniels was paid through Michael Cohen. Thats gonna be the main event for the jurors. With this is all crucial context with the jurys to understand all of everything that leads as three microbreweries with us as well. A former us attorney, michael, lets talk a little bit about peckers testimony. He said trump was quote, frugal in his approach to money. Frugal, a direct quote personally reviewing all expenses. What is the significance of that . Yeah. Well, im glad to be with you. We expect that theres going to be a tape coming out with Michael Cohen where he taped trump at some point and theres some allegations or at least some statements in the tape at the appears that trump is relying on what weisselberg and cohen were doing and saying, look, i dont really know, just tell me what to do. Whats the amount of money they may be getting ready to refute some of that bass and now hes actually very much in control of his business. Hes very much in control of his finances. Hes not somebody who just signs off on a check or an invoice that somebody places in front of him and so my guess is that the prosecutors trying to prepare for that witnesses today, were like, what trial is like a book and the witnesses today, were like blank pages if theyre sticking into the book and throughout the trial, that will be filling in these bits and pieces. The chapter by chapter in one of the chapters i think is going to be released from the defense. Trump really wasnt the man in charge is Michael Cohen, as we saw, even from some of the things in the clips we looked at earlier let me ask, you know, trump. Well, you were his Campaign Press secretary. You understand where hes coming from . Were all right. Now, awaiting the judges decision did trump violate the gag order that had been imposed that if he did, lets get to be the penalty and as i say, you know, trump well, do you think no matter what the penalty will be, whether its a few thousand dollars or something else, you think trump is going to honor that. Its going to be hard to imagine that he well honor it. I mean, look, hes already violated it more than a dozen times, i believe. Right now, i believe the fine if they do end up finding him is 1,000 some dollars. Thats like some change each time for each violation. Exactly. And thats like chump change to him. And so until i think theres an actual threat of maybe jail time, i believe it could be 30 days in jail is what could happen if they decided to escalate it. I dont know if i foresee the judge going as far as that, but at the same time how do you keep donald trump in check . Because hes complaining that hes totally gagged and its ironic because hes complaining about it while addressing the press outside of the courtroom. And hes not gagged. He can talk about the judge. She can talk about the prosecutor. He can talk about how he thinks this case is unfair. What he cant do though, is go after innocent people like the jurors, the witnesses, and the staff of the courtroom, and their family members, and look a gag order like this is necessary for someone with Donald Trumps megaphone because he could do some serious harm by putting a target on these peoples backs and harassing them and kind of making it a message than 200 followers. Hey, go after these people, target them, harass them, and that draws serious security concerns. And so i do think its necessary for this gag order to be in place because donald trump has shown that he does not care about this purity of those that he goes after. Very interesting and do our guys, everybody standby, thanks to all of you coming up. Theres Breaking News on planning for how to respond if donald trump is saying to jail, details on that former new york judge is here with her perspective standby. Well be right it looks like a unicorn quite happy tears all over it i could say that when the lux you love go for last, theres only one thing to say. Oh mine blocks Discount Furniture before Abigail Chewable for allergic edge, giving dogs pills was a battle of wits. Oh, maria, im wanted here foolish game. Hes had gone totally gone. Its relief just got easier. Apa quell the trusted number one treatment for allergic inch is now available in a tasty july well, that works in a day. 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The judges exasperated, kept building until he finally said this to blanche. Youre losing all credibility with the court or direct quote, joining us now to put these clashes and perspective, the former Us District Court judge Shira Scheindlin. Judge, gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. How rare is it for a judge to get exasperated . Like this. What would you have done it in the situation like this i think its not a good idea to be exasperated on the second day of a sixweek trial and to say to the lawyer, youve lost all credibility with me. Thats a very judgmental statement on the second day of six weeks, i can see that after three weeks or four weeks when the lawyer has really tested your patients. But i dont think its a good luck to say youve lost all credibility upfront. So i probably wouldnt have made that particular comment and i know he repeatedly said you havent shown me anything. You havent given me anything to help decide this . I dont know if thats fair. Again, the lawyers is there to make an argument on behalf of his client his argument is my client is running for president in the United States. He needs to answer these attacks. These are political. Im not saying the judge should buy that argument, but its an argument that a lawyer could, in my opinion, can credibly make these also still so attacking the gag order itself and hes saying reposting whats so bad about reposting . Its already in the New York Post. People can already read. Everyone can read about Michael Cohen and what folks are saying about him. So reposting means yes, President Trump is also saying it. But what else would you expect . It . I understand its technically probably a violation, whether it warrants harsh reprisal. I dont know the gag order issue. Attentive trumps posts are now under scrutiny, including one quoting a baseless allegation that some jurors are liberal activists altogether, the maximum fine would be about 10,000. How do you expect judge merchan to rule and would anything deter trump two good questions. I would expect him initially to impose fines. I dont think hes going to go right to incarceration. I dont think any judge would do that. Hes going to impose fines and hes going to give them a stern warning saying, now, look i have fine. You and i can find you again. But if you dont stop this, i have the power to incarcerate you and thats whats going to happen if you violate my court orders. I think hes going to give him a stern talking to and i think hes going to impose these fairly minimal fines of 1,000 per violation for trump. Thats what i would expect that much money for trump. Judge. Shetland, cnn is just learning now that the Us Secret Service Court Officers and even the new York City Department of corrections have been quietly discussing what to do if trump does end up being jailed jailed for contempt of court. If you are presiding over this case, at what point would you be prepared to actually jail the former president of the United States . I wouldnt be anxious to do that. I think it makes them appear to be a victim it only helps his narrative of this being a witch hunt. I would try to do everything i could not two incarcerate him its going to be difficult. Theres going to have to be 24 7 Secret Service protection. I read somewhere that it might be rikers which would be a terrible environment. So i would hope that it never came to that. And i dont expect it to. Interesting trumps lawyer, todd blanche, as you know, is a very reputable Trial Attorney what do you make of him seeming to be unprepared at this hearing . How could this impact the judges view . Of todd blanche for the rest of the trial well, thats what i said earlier. I dont by the criticism that he was unprepared, he only has so many arguments he can make. You cant make up facts that dont exist, so he can argue the breadth of the gag order itself and saying, whats wrong with reposting everybodys or read it already, read it in the New York Post or fox news. So theres nothing wrong with that. You shouldnt have included reposting. He can also make the argument that i summarized before about running hes in a political campaign, has a right to respond to political attacks what more can you do . So, the judge was, as i said, with a little harsh on him and saying youve lost all credibility with me and youve given me nothing. Doesnt he cant expect a man to make up a facts and evidence that dont exist interesting, thanks for your expertise, judge Shira Scheindlin would appreciate it very, very much. And coming up the very public breakup between donald trump and his onetime lawyer, Michael Cohen, is on full display, right now. 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Former Tabloid Executive david pecker, making it clear in his Testimony Today that longtime trump fixer, Michael Cohen, was a central player in efforts to buy and kill negative stories about trump, seen as tom foreman is more on cohens relationship with trump and how it all unraveled just speak to put two, i hands together and, received his as he comes. My friend, mr. Michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, Michael Cohen. Hes a good man. Hes a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. This had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. And by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. Soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run some companies. They say mr. Trumps pitbull that in his um, his righthand man when Trumps Campaign lit up coinsurance karpin does tie. You guys are down and it makes sense that there would most of them, all of them and trump return the favor, Michael Cohen is a very talented lawyer, is a good lawyer in my firm as claims of improper hush money emerged, trump initially included cohen and his denials of any wrongdoing, like with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal hey represented me and, you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong when headlines warned that cohen might help prosecutors. Trump posted, i dont see michael doing that. And he ripped the fbi raids on his lawyers home and office. It say an attack on our country and a true sense, its detached, gone. What we all stand for later, cnn obtained an audio of cohen and trump discussing payment to silence playboy model Karen Mcdougal story of an affair with trump, which trump denied when it comes time for the financing, which will be what get hold on. I got no. Then cohen pled guilty to crimes including Campaign Finance violations linked to those payments. He went to jail and he came out saying he should have never trusted trump. I am ashamed. Because i know what mr. Trump is he is a racist he is a con man and hes achieved, trump has called cohen a liar, a loser, and so much more. Its all just a warm up to the former president and his former fixer. These four former friends facing off in court it really will be an absolutely fascinating moment when you think about how long Michael Cohen lived at the direction of donald trump . Following everything donald trump wanted under the thumb of donald trump and now it is Michael Cohen who has a chance to apply pressure to the former president. Will very good report. Thanks very much, tom foreman working in the story for us joining us now the investigative journalist, david cay johnson, who wrote a 2016 biography about donald trump. A david, thanks so much for joining us, as you know, better than all of us. This is a very complicated relationship. Does that make it complicated for jurors to weigh cohens expected testimony well not i dont think so many, many times prosecutors have used criminals, career criminals, to convict other people of crimes so the issue here will be not just Michael Cohens credibility, but the Tape Recorder Earnings he has of his conversations with trump and the documents that will tend to support his story and of course, its important wolf to keep in mind that donald trump hired Michael Cohen and employed him because he would menace people and he would lie for trump when he wanted once they broke from everything ive seen, including my conversations with Michael Cohen, he has been very carefully and precisely accurate in what he said. Interesting david pecker testified today that trump was very detailed, oriented. He said one time in trumps office, trump was given invoices and checks sign and pecker, quote, notice that he referring to trump review the invoice and looked at the check and he would sign them. How key is that testimony you think david to proving these charges against trump . Well, trumps insistence is i had nothing to do with this. Michael cohen, hes the one who went and did this deal and the fact that there are the Audio Recordings that were made by Michael Cohen and menn peckers Testimony Pecker has not been charged with any crime he has immunity so long as he tells the truth, he will not be charged with any crime. So he has a great deal of weight to the documents and the Audio Recordings david, youve covered trump extensively over these many, many years and you say hes not a strong internal person. What sort of impact could days and weeks of trial have on his mindset . Well, i think were already seeing the difficulty donald is having dealing with having to be in court, having to sit in a chair for hours at a time and not being able to speak or object in any way and, you notice when he came out to complain yesterday after the hearing . He instead of being the great communicator, is donalds very good at taking complex issues and reducing them to a slogan a simple message to people. He got totally lost in the weeds. I mean, i had trouble following what he was trying to say. I follow everything he does very interesting. You mentioned the documents. This case is about falsifying business records, how to prosecutors use the documents, the emails, the agreements, bring that. How do they bring them to life to build their case . Well, the key element in this, in presenting the evidence to the jury is to show that this wasnt some casual oneoff where you werent thinking or you did something dumb. Theyre 34 separate actions that were taken and you get david pecker first to lay out the broad scheme that the prosecution says was a conspiracy to corrupt under new york law, the election. Then you present these documents to show are they really did it. The money was transferred here and there and they lied and covered up about it. And then you use Michael Cohen and those Audio Recordings to seal the deal along with the testimony, i expect were going to hear from Stormy Daniels and Karen Mcdougal david cay johnston. Thanks. For your expertise. Appreciate a very, very much and just ahead, a Front Row Seat to Donald Trumps criminal trial, the artist bringing you the powerful pictures from inside the court this here live businesses go further with five kyi solutions. 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The white house Correspondents Dinner Live Saturday at seven eastern on cnn vivid Courtroom Sketches are giving us a window into Donald Trumps first criminal trial. Since cameras arent allowed inside, were relying on these images and firsthand accounts to capture the substance and the color of the trial rejoyn now by the veteran courtroom sketch artists, christine cornell, who has been inside the trump trial covering it for cnn. Christine, thanks very much for joining us here. One of only three artists who can actually show whats happening in the core were looking at your sketch of david pecker is Testimony Today. Can you take because a little bit inside the room during this moment well, mr. Pecker is very interesting. A witness its quite fascinating to hear about how they you know, conspired to say awful things about anybody who was challenging donald trump for the presidency. He went after mr. Rubio, he went after tech crews. They were all sexual scandals. I think there was zero concern about what was true or not true they were just having a holhot which makes it Poetic Justice that hes having to deal with this right now. Interesting. I know you sketch trump in the E Jean Carroll defamation trial and his new york Civil Fraud Trial as well. And you say he seems to have lost a lot of his bravado since them since then, tell us more about trumps demeanor in this courtroom. From what youve observed over the past few days i mean, trump is basically still being treated like royalty. He has a procession that, you know, of Secret Service who follow him in and all of us are, you know, like being tamped down the presses and allowed to stand up from their seat, move any move at all when trump is present . And were very restricted by his moves, you know wheres were suffering a little bit you know, kind of being treated like naughty schoolchildren because theyre very, very protective of this man as far as how hes bearing up its hard for him to have to be in a spot where he cant speak anything out of his mouth, it turns into a fine a scolding and i see him sort of slightly, slightly deflated from the early days of his showing up in court. Hes less bravado, interesting and less, less of that feeling like, oh lucky you, you get to see me. You know, now hes like, oh, im still here you know, and youre still here . Rather be anywhere in the world. Were looking at your sketch, christina, of this mornings very tense gag order hearing, how high did emotions run inside the room . Well, i found it interesting that they that they had charged him, the government with ten breaches of the gag order and, they said, oh, well, he breached his so many more times than that. You never said anything. So maybe we thought maybe he thought it was okay. Which is a heck of a peculiar defense you know, they did they did assert that mr. Trump and do exactly what the rules were so hes been deliberately pushing yet to get a response. I mean, the government said thats what he was doing and i think its pretty clear that thats what hes doing. Very interesting crystalline just going to say, thank intuit issue of well, thank you for finishing that sentence. Appreciated very, very much and thanks for all your good work, very important. To see those sketches coming up and indepth interview with one of americas most a claim president ial historians, how author Doris Kearns Goodwin views this trial as part of the countrys history and future when i first learned about my duper trends contracture, my physician referred for me to Hand Specialist and im glad he did because when i took the tabletop test, i couldnt leave my hand flat anymore the firstHand Specialist i saw only offered surgery. 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I know its gonna be a huge, huge bestseller as it should be especially for those of us who lived through the night 1860s can relate to everything youre writing in here. Lets talk about whats going on right now. History is unfolding with this trial, as you know, give us your sense of why this is a remarkable potentially a remarkable moment in American History . I think the most important thing is that its a test of the rule of law is any man above the law . I think about poor al gore who had to go through that terrible race in 2000. And he gave a Concession Speech that was so dignified and he talked about the role of law, what he said was that he was so disappointed with the decision but the court had made the decision and that was the law. And then he said in the law means makes me want to have responsibility to honor the president elect every other president in history has done that. And he was able to talk about the rule of law thats what were talking about right now. It may be in most important thing that weve ever seen a president sitting in a criminal trial . But its the rule of law that matters as you know, this trial highlights a lot of the very, very deep divisions in our country, right now. Are there some parallels, some historic precedence that you see what you worry about is in the 1880s, you had two different kinds of media. Theres the south and the north would distancing themselves from each other. And an event like for example, when charles sumner, the massachusetts kept senator, was bludgeoned by this central, by this south carolinian guy, preston brooks. And it was seen in the north that he was a hero, sumner this Guy In The South was considered a hero in the south. The same event viewed in different ways i think the real answer to whats going to happen with this trial more important even than whether the jury renders what verdict for one is whether the country accepts it. Thats public sentiment is what matters in the country. Lincoln said, it was more important than law is more important than Supreme Court decisions. Because if the public decide something and it says Acetyl Feeling not just public opinion. So i think the real challenge is going to be, what does the public except about this decision and what does that mean Going Forward . So how does the country heal now, given that so Many Americans actually believe trump, trumps claims about this being that hes being persecuted and all of that. How does the country heel for history . So that but i think what happens is that over a period of time as i say, Acetyl Feeling comes in. And if people really do feel that he was given the justice that he deserved, accountability was met and more people feel that thats finally it. And then we go on to other things. But i think theres a chance that we can do. It seems really hard now weve lived through hard times before. This is as hard a time as ive lived through, except for the 60s, we had a tough time when we were in the 60s. Think about what happened then. You had assassinations of Martin Luther king, of robert kennedy, of john kennedy. You had riots in the cities. You had campus violence. And somehow we thought well never going to live through this. And here we are. Weve been healed so history tells us, history provide solace, history provides perspective. Thats why i love it so much. Im an optimist. Im sure the country will heal as a result of all of this how our friends and allies around the world, viewing whats going on in our country, right . No, thats what you worry about. I mean, you want us to be the proud country i thats why i loved living through world war ii. Its crazy. I mean, living through it as an historian because you knew that we were beacon of hope to people around the world that we were able to help those allies when a war that had to be four what im proud to have lived through the civil war, even though it was such a tough war, it ended with a emancipation secured and the union restored. We dont know how this is going to end, but somehow history tells us that before we lived through really tough times and somehow the people didnt know how it was going to end. Thats the thing were anxious. We dont know how this is going to end. But somehow history is going to tell us 100 years how it ended. And hopefully it will have ended in a way that we can feel that we came through this with honore. Restored that sense of being an american and feeling good about citizenry. Teddy roosevelt warned that democracy would be at issue if people in different regions sections and partys viewed each other as the other rather than as common american citizens somethings got to bring back that feeling that we are americans that we have more in common than we know how naive its sound. But youve got to believe it or youve got no chance. And i hope youll be writing that book down the road years from now, how the country healed up. But lets talk about this excellent new book youve written an unfinished love story, a personal history of the 1960s. Why is it so personal . Because my husband had kept 300 boxes that really were a time capsule of the 60s through his entire life. And he was everywhere. Hes elegant. The 60s jfk, Bobby Kennedy later, Eugene Mccarthy and New Hampshire and lbj with all the great civil rights stuff. But he didnt want to open it until he turned 80 and then he figured, if i dont do it now, its never because they 60 is that ended . Though . Sadly, we lived together the 60s, we started at the beginning pretending that we didnt know what was going to happen later and as a result, we live the excitement of the 60s, the excitement of john kennedy, the early days of the civil rights movement. It was an era, as you know, having lived through it when young people were impelled by the decision that somehow they were going to do something larger than the cells they feel fulfilled by it when they marched against segregation, when they march for the denial of the vote, when they were in the peace when they launched the womens movement, the gay rights movement, so much of that feeling of conviction that you can make a difference in peoples lives. Ill never forget being at the March On Washington in 1963. I felt this joy, a sense of being part of something larger, carrying assigned catholics, jews, and cat and protestants united for civil rights so reliving that decade, im hoping that young people can see that. Im hoping that grandparents who went through it, like us can tell our grandchildren what it was like and that stories can be told. Thats what you need from history. You have to tell stories of the people who lived before. And thats what you have done in an unfinished love story, personal history of the 1960s. Doris, thank you. So much for writing this book. It means so much. Thank you. Thank you so much it meant so much to me. It kept kept my husband alive and kept that america that believed in its ideals alive congratulations to terrific work and well be right back with more news. Freeze, dryness, breakage new dove ten in one serum hair mask with peptide complex fortifies hair bonds at a molecular level, helps reversed pen signs of damage in one minute, keep living real keep repairing smile. You found it the feeling of findings, psoriasis cant filter out the real you. 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Well, well, if President Biden tried to leverage a restrictive abortion law, that essentially ban most abortions after six weeks and is set to take effect next week. Im trying to use that to put the state in play for democrats time, the unpopular abortion bans nationwide his republican rival, donald trump, take a listen fst responsible with this nightma, and hes knowledged any brags about donald tmp now becau o this, law democrats are putting renewed focus the scene and what they think is a politically salient issue. But theres no doubt itgoing to be an uphill challenge, Especiallyn A State like florida, that voted republan in the past lets do president ial elections and one where the president has a wider gap against his repuican rival Priscilla Alvarez in taa for uspriscilla, thank you very much. Im wolf blitr in the Situation Room. Thanks very much for Watching E Newsontinues next sienna good evening, welcome to cnn specl primetime coverage. The firstever criminatrial, the former president , and theres a lot to bring you from a truncated but busy day six thats all the judge wanted defense attorney. Hes losing credibility. Also testimony from david pecker former tabloid publisher, who became the trump campaigns, eyes and ears. And tonight new reporting and discussions are underway about what to do if the former president is actually jailed for contempt quite a de a lot to get to judge merchans warning came as trump attorney todd blanche tried to answer prosecution evidenced during Contempt Hearing with the jury, not present, the judge s