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no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. tonight on three 60 a new word about how we're gonna use in new on the prosecutors plan to use the former presidents embrace of january six defendants in court, we'll talk about that and more with liz cheney, whose new book has plenty to say about donald trump and the threat he poses a free look. it all style, exclusive new reporting's about how much longer israel might continue high intensity crown operations in gaza, which today saw some of the heaviest fighting for war. plus, what key voters in a key swing state have to say about their choices for 2024. john king finds out in the latest edition of our special series of reports, all over the map. good evening, thanks for joining us again. our guest tonight here within studio is liz cheney, former wyoming republican congresswoman and vice chair of the house january six colo r select committee. our conversation comes at the end of the day that sought to potentially significant january six related developments. the first, involving the evidence the prosecutors in the federal election subversion case want jurors to see. the second, on what house speaker mike johnson wants to keep americans from seeing, and seem to be released video of the attack on congress. and my congress -- congresswoman cheney is going to start in a moment. first, the latest on both of those stories from cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid. so paula, what are federal prosecutors in washington signaling tonight? >> anderson, they're giving us a preview of their federal election interference case, and exactly how they intend to use trump's own words against him, in a court of law. now there really can emphasize how trump's continued support for those who attacked the capital is evidence of a conspiracy. in this filing they said, quote, trump continues to, quote, openly and proudly support individuals who criminally participated in obstructing the congressional certification that day. including by suggesting that he will pardon them if reelected. even, as he is conceding that he had legally to influence their actions during the attack. now they also say they want to show the jury things that trump said in the lead up to election day, including his refusal to denounced the extremist group the proud boys, and his refusal to commit to a peaceful transition of power. anderson, they insist that all of this is evident of his intent to get his supporters, like the proud boys, to attack the capitol and undermined the results of the election, when it didn't go his way. and interestingly, they are even going to try and take it all the way back to 2012. over a decade ago, and when trump has repeatedly tried to claim fraud when elections had alchemy that he didn't like. and prosecutors say look, this laid the foundation for what he tried to do in 2020. now this is their plan, but all of this has to be approved by a. judge >> what did speaker johnson say about the soon to be released january 6th footage? >> this was interesting. the speaker said that he wants to release this footage in the interest of transparency, but is insisting that the faces of the people in the mob be blurred to, quote, protect them from the justice department. anderson, that's an odd thing to say, because federal investigators have the raw footage, they've used them t o prosecute hundreds of people. now the speaker subsequently backtracked. in a statement, saying instead he is trying to prevent all forms of retaliation from non government actors. but again, online sleuths the, public, non government actors, have it into fight hundreds of people in that footage. and the justice department has even asked for their help in identifying others. of course, the speaker was actively involved in efforts to undermine the outcome of the election, but he says he wants to release this footage so that people can, quote, do their own research on the capitol attack. >> tolerate, thanks very much. joining us now is liz cheney, former wyoming republican congressman, -- and someone who might easily still hold both titles tonight, except that she stood up for democracy in the wake of january 6th up to and including in her role as vice chair of the january six committee, which center part from the former president of course , who is running again and most of her fellow republicans who all the cast her out. her new blockbuster book out today,'s oath and honor, a memoir and warning, the final words in that title our warnings that speak to the moment -- . thank you so much for being with us. this is not only a fascinating, terrifying book, and a warning as you say. it is also a really well written, captivating story, that just takes you from the first pages, and gallops you through the last many years of the descent of our democracy. did you write a lot about mike johnson in the book? obviously we were writing this, he wasn't the speaker, he did know he was going to be the speaker. talk a little bit about first of all, this idea that he wants to blur the faces, what does that tell? you >> well i think first of all with respect to the videotape, the department of justice already has these tapes. and i think that we are experiencing a situation where the speaker, speaker johnson, is somehow attempting to suggest that there is something in these tapes that would change the facts of what happened. there is nothing in the tapes that could change the fafact of what hapappened thatat day, orcd change t the violentnt assault.. and you u know, i hahave calledn him m to releasese the tapeses. wewe need to m make sure o obvi, that we e protect ththe security issues of the capital. bubut at this s point, whahat's happenening, i donon't know whwy hehe's draggining his feetet afr having proclaimed he's going to release them, and he ought to release. >> also this idea of blurring the faces, as you said, the tapes, the law enforcement already has. i mean it seems it's kabuki theater to january six defendants, and their supporters and others, that he is statanding up t to protect t, when in n fact it acactually hao purprpose. > yeah, andnd it's a peperfet examample of thehe lengths to wh he will go, even in his rhetoric. i mean he actually said to protect people from the department of justice, and at the same time he proclaims that he is representing the court quote, rule of law party. so, i think the game has to stop, and if he has to release tape, he often released tapes. you >> know, he although he is not well-known on the world stage, he certainly portrayed himself as this very devout and very earnest and thoughtful person. that is not, he seems like a slippery character, in the pages of your book. i mean the reality of him behind the scenes, it is very different. >> yeah, and i certainly wouldn't question anybody's fate. but, i i mean, i knew him well, we were friends, we are elected at the same time. i believe him to be somebody who was honorable. but then sadly, i washed through the whole process, first of the -- brief that he pushed members of the house to sign on, which was constitutionally infirm, and the supreme court. >> let's talk about that. i mean, he sent out a letter to members of congress, essentially saying do this for president trump. and the arguments he was making, according to you i mean, they just weren't sound, legally. >> yeah, and he was claiming and telling members that the brief itself was just simply an effort to convince the courts to hear this case. when in fact, the brief itself made serious charges, alleged activity that was unconstitutional, it alleged that people in the states had conducted themselves in ways that were unconstitutional. and, many of these allegations, even though courts across the country in each of these states had already heard the east facts, that already determined that what the brief was asserting was not true. and, i also think there are serious ethical problems. somebody who is a member of the bar, asserting in front of the court facts known to them about which they don't have any. >> he was also saying that he was a constitutional scholar, and that there was an implied threat in his brief. >> yeah, and i heard from a number of our colleagues who said wait a minute, he is taking down names and making a list for donald trump to look at. is this in fact a threat? >> he denied that it was, but the activity continued into the objections over the electoral votes as well. and i wasn't the only one who was raising a red flag about his activities. kevin mccarthy's own senior counsel was doing the same thing, and she effect said that she had talked to him, and he knew that what he was doing didn't have any basis of the constitution. >> and you said you're right, mike johnson and the republican leaders have played a destructive role, the -- revealed se of mike i had not seen before. he appears especially as susceptible to flattery to trump, and aspire to be anywhere in trump's orbit. he was telling our college he was a constitutional law expert, while advocating positions that were constitutionally infirm. i mean, do you believe he poses a threat to the integrity of the 2024 presidential election? >> i do think that if we come to a place where he is the speaker of the house, where the republicans are in the majority on january 6th in 2025, there are real questions about whether or not that majority will do what is required under the constitution, for example if an election would be thrown into the house, or even going through the process of counting electoral votes. end up going to the house, where the house would've determine where you think the republicans in the house are not responsible enough to do what is right, and what is legal. >> i mean, i think the lesson that we have seen over the course of the last couple of years is that this group of elected republicans can't be counted on to defend the constitution. and it's a very sad thing for me to, say it's a very dangerous place for the country to be. but, that is what we have seen based on the actions last several years. >> i mean, what would get this fever dreams among the republicans to stop, and to go back to being a party that wants to actually govern and get stuff done, and be part of the fabric of democracy? >> i think we have to have the majority of the american people who are not part of sort of the cult of personality around donald trump. there is a portion of the party that absolutely is not going to be convinced to move away from him, but it's a much smaller number than the vast majority of republicans, democrats, and independents combined. and those of us who understand the danger have to be committed to working across party lines, to protect against it. >> kevin mccarthy, i mean in the details that you have about kevin mccarthy in this book, we reported last week that mccarthy told you that his trip down to mar-a-lago, where he went to kiss the ring, was that trump was depressed and not eating. the former president has responded the other day saying actually that he was angry and eating too much. you don't buy either of those explanations? >> i mean, i certainly didn't buy kevin's explanation. trump's, maybe that's the first truth he's ever spoken, i don't know. but the bottom line is, what mccarthy, what he was really doing was when big donors cut off donations to the republicans after the insurrection, he needed money. and, the only place he could get money was to go see trump and get access to his list of donors. but of course, that meant going down there and helping him to begin to wipe away the stain of what he had done. >> why do you think so many i mean, lindsey graham who said he was done with trump, he's out that night. and then, i remember somebody yelled at him in the airport, i think on the way back down to south carolina, and then all of the sudden he is playing golf with the former president. >> yeah, i don't understand it. i mean, i think there's a lot of years are going to be spent on psychoanalyze-ing the number of members of my party. and, i think the danger that we face though as a people, they are not willing to accept the is really extreme things that donald trump is claiming he will do. or not guessing about what he will do. >> do you think, do they actually believe these lies? >> no, i think the number of people who believe the lies in elected office is very small. i think in the house of republicans, it's probably in single digits. but, you have obviously a far larger group of people, some who have determined that they are going to be fully on board and aggressively supporting and enabling trump, and a lot of others who have said we are just going to look at the other way. and that's really dangerous, because then people around the country start to say well, it must not be that bad if you don't have that many republicans speaking out against it. and. >> your dad called you just before the joint session of congress on january 6th, he had been listening to trump's speech at the -- what did he say? >> he called me, i was in the cloakroom of the house floor, working on remarks that i was going to give. and he called me, and he asked me if i was watching this speech. and i said i wasn't, because i was working on the remarks. and he told me that trump had said we have to get rid of the liz cheney's of the world, and he said to me you are in danger. and, he said we need to talk about whether or not, given that he has just done this, that he is just targeted you specifically, what that means for you going on to the house floor, what that means for you in terms of speaking against the objections. through the course of our conversation, it was clear we both knew i couldn't not proceed because of this threat from donald trump. but, you know, you can imagine sort of the emotion of the moment, to have my dad calling me to say the president has just targeted me, in a way that put me at risk. >> do you understand the bill barr, who has very loyal to the president while he was in office, and then clearly has had a change of heart. and yet saying, not saying categorically that he would not vote for the former president. >> i guess i have a couple of views about the. i think there are a number of people, including bill barr, who were around the president, who stopped the president from doing far worse. bill barr certainly is one of the people who told the president repeatedly that what he was saying was untrue about fraud in the election, and said publicly. but i don't think that you can acknowledge and recognize the facts and the mountain of evidence that points to what donald trump did, and his direct involvement in attempting to seize power and overturn an election, and then turn around and say that you would vote for him again. i think people really do have to come to grips with the fact that these are inconsistent, and when you say that you will vote for him despite what he's already done, you are helping to make sure that he continues as a force in the politics of this nation, and that's dangerous. >> you know, we all see historical events, movies and think of how could there be people who would work for that government, and do these things? there was a lot of people saying well, if trump never got a, who would ever work for a second term of donald trump. there are actually a lot of people, and some of them are very smart people, who are willing to do that. i mean that's a real danger, because they've learned from the mistakes of the first administration, of the first of his first term, and they know what to do now. >> right, and you won't have some of the good people to stop him. and, he has said people like mike flynn will be the national security adviser potentially, jeff clark, possibly the attorney. >> mike flynn is like selling t-shirts, and making outrageous statements at conventions. >> ride, i mean those are the people who will be around him, if he were to be elected again. the other thing that people have to realize is what it means if the president of the united states won't enforce the rulings of our courts. and that is absolutely what he said he will do. he has gone to war with the rule of law. and a president who won't enforce the law, creates a situation where things just unravel. and he will have people around him who will help him do it, he will i am sure offer pardons to people, if they are concerned about their own political liability. -- do you think >> do you think he would pardon january 6th? >> certainly, i think he has been very clear repeatedly about his glorification of that day, and again the republicans were almost unanimous in the days just after january six, recognizing that he bore responsibility, and he had to be held accountable. and, very quickly, that began to dissipate, that unanimity the. and now, we have an effort underway to whitewash, it including what you saw today from the speaker of the house. >> according to a poll report, president biden praised what he called your powerful voice at a fund-raiser in boston today. he also said that if trump wasn't running, i'm not sure i would be running, that was a quote. you haven't ruled out a third party run, you've also said that you are not going to do anything that would help donald trump. if you were to determine that your candidacy would take more votes away from trump then it would from biden, will that be a catalyst to get into the race? >> i am going to look at this over the next couple of months, through the lens of, how do we stop donald trump. and on some level, it's not about me, it's not about what i'm going to do or not to do. i look at it very much from the perspective of right now, absolutely we have to keep our eye on the goal of stopping him. i think there is a huge amount of work to be done after this election cycle, whether it's rebuilding the republican party, which increasingly looks like maybe an impossible task, or helping to begin a new party that is very focused on what the republican party used to stand for before this cult of personality. but right now, and in this election cycle, i will do whatever i have to do to make sure donald ford is not elected. >> how concerned are you about a third party candidates who are out there already, you've got a? >> look i think we are at a moment where the possibility of a third party run is more, it's something we have to consider more than we ever have before, because of the threat that trump poses. but i also think we have to ensure that at some point, we are unified against him, and that goes back to what we were talking about before, that it can't be a partisan issue. it has to be a situation where we say, i don't care what your view is on this issue or that issue, or never the big policy issue is. if you care about the constitution who defends it, we have to work together on that. >> what do you say to the vast number of republicans who believe trump's recent messaging that it is joe biden who poses the greatest risk to democracy? >> i think that the overwhelming majority of republicans understand that that's disinformation, that that's a lie. that's been trump's method of operating. he knows that it is a real threat to his political success if people recognize that he himself is trying to unravel democracy. and so, i think he is projecting, he is trying to turn that threat around, but i don't think that that will work. >> you've also said you don't think that trump would willingly leave office after a second term. you said if voters return him to the white house, there may not be many more elections to vote in. i mean, the pushback is that that is alarmist, it's hyperbolic, there are institutional guardrails that would prevent that. >> yeah, and i think it's naive, and a real misreading of what we lived through to think that we can count on the guardrails that lead that we have in place. donald trump tried to seize power in 2020, a tried very hard, he put in place a multi part plan to ensure that joe biden wasn't going to be certified rightfully as the president of the united states. so he has done it once, and what we saw in 2020 was that it was the people, it was the fact that there were republicans at the state level who stopped him, there were people in his white house and justice department who stopped him. but he knows now what to do, he has learned the lessons of 2020, and 2021. and so, i think anybody who says well don't worry, you can count on the balance of power in the institutions, that's really wishful thinking that we can't afford. >> and we are what, six weeks away from the iowa caucuses. what is your message to voters going into this 2024 election? >> that whatever, whatever you do, whatever you think about the possibility that donald trump might present, he is not an acceptable option, he is not an acceptable alternative. i hope he is defeated in the primary, but if he is not, we have to defeat him in the general. and people need to tak e seriously, and literally, what he is saying, which is that he would in fact unravel our democracy, potentially terminate the constitution. it's a risk we can't take. >> liz cheney, thank you so much. >> congrats anderson, good to be with you. >> congratulations on your, book it's really, i don't say a fun read, but it is a fascinating read, and it's engrossing so, thank you. >> appreciate it. >> the book is up today, it is already a best-selling number on amazon. it is both in honor, a memoir and a warning. reaction next from the white right in the left. also after a heavy day fighting in gaza, exclusive fighting on how much longer u. s. officials such intensive ground operations to continue. we'll be right back. the existential threat she says a second trump term poses to democracy. first of all, i want to put replay the portion of our conversation with republican lawmakers, and what drives their continuing support for the former president. >> do they actually believe these lies? >> no, i think the number of people who believe the lies in elected office is very small. i think in the house republicans, it's probably single digits. but, you have obviously a far larger group of people, some who have determined that they are going to be fully on board and aggressively supporting and enabling trump. and, a lot of others who said we are just going to look at the other way. and, that is really dangerous, because then people around the country sort of start to see well, it must not be that bad if you don't have that many republicans speaking out against it. >> part of my conversation with former republican congresswoman liz cheney tonight, here to talk about cnn political commentators david urban, alyssa farah griffin, and dave is a former trump -- a former white house communications director, and is mentioned on page 221 of congresswoman cheney's new book. joining us as well from watching tonight, cnn political commentator and former obama special advisor van jones. first of all, alyssa, what's your take away from what cheney is saying? >> remarkable and timely. listen, congresswoman cheney had a front row seat to the lead up to january 6th, the day of on january six, and then the aftermath of congress stonewalling, and watching her republican colleagues, many of whom were her friends, flip in realtime on what they saw that day on their very eyes, and what they said with their very mouths. she is a profile in courage, and i think she is speaking at a moment where she said last night that we are sleepwalking into authoritarianism, into dictatorship. and i can't ring those alarm bells louder. i am trump's former white house communications director, i am joined by his former secretary of defense, former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, his former national security adviser, all saying he is an existential threat to democracy, and folks need to make. up >> david, what are your take away? >> well, it's me against the world here i think right. listen, i, look congresswoman cheney has obviously done a great job in a good service to her country, in her role, and she is out selling books now. and listen, i don't think it's an existential threat, i do think that there are plenty of guardrails that are in place in the first administration. look at this, the republicans held the senate, the house, and the white house. and if trump was so omnipotent, we would have a lot of things done, right. in this instance. >> i would argue that was incompetence. >> a case all the said now he's going to become this uber, uber -- >> i mean he has learned some lessons. and >> respectfully, he doesn't know how the federal government works now, he is building out a transition. >> nobody knows that the federal government works. >> he's taking resume is based on peoples loyalty to him. he understands. and you know >> this but again, american foreign policy institute, heritage foundation. we saw both susie and chris put out statements saying look, those groups are doing what they want to do, donald trump i know firsthand from the 2016 campaign, when chris christie was running the transition putting together a whole government in exile, donald trump said to me to call chris christie and tell him, stop, go work on the campaign we, we'll do that later. and in this instance, i think it's the same thing. you put out a statement saying look, -- all of these great people that are working here, do what you're doing, that's great. but i'm going to put my team together when i get -- >> van, first of all i just want to play a little bit more of what liz cheney said about some of her former colleagues in congress, and i want to ask you a what do you think the guard rails of democracy are -- >> i think the lesson that we've seen over the course of the last couple of years is that this group of elected republicans can't be counted on to defend the constitution. and that's a very sad thing for me to say, it's a very dangerous place for the country to be. but that's what we've seen based on the actions of the last several. years >> i mean van, it is extraordinary to hear liz cheney, boyle republican from a very conservative family, saying of the republicans in the house cannot be trusted if the election was to end up in the house. >> i think we take it very very seriously. and i appreciate david's confidence. but also all say a couple things. i mean, when you first are working in the white house, you spent the first week trying to find the bathrooms. just trying to find a restroom. it's like when you first get there, it's a hard thing to figure out. the white house is a black box inside of a black box inside of a black box. but every week that you are, there you get a little bit better at your job. and the reality is the last time donald trump ran, nobody thought he was going to win, including donald trump. so he didn't have, he didn't have campaign staff, he didn't have a government in exile waiting. this time, he has been there before, he has done it before [laughs] he knows how they blocked him and they stopped him. he is going to be a lot more effective if he gets, there and much more frighteningly, last time he republicans are willing to stand up to him. as the local level, the elected officials et cetera. this party has been beaten and cowed over the past four years, where i don't know if the -- if you're going to have republicans who have been kowtowing and kowtowing and kowtowing, who are suddenly go to stop kowtowing, and have a spine and stand up for the constitution, where for the past i don't know for 500 days, they haven't been doing that. i am very concerned. >> but also i mean, alyssa, the first time around he was running allegedly on some issues, this time he's running on retribution. and, so if the goal is not to actually get stuff done and pull the levers of government to make it work, it's two leg go after some morning show host to something. i mean -- >> i would also add, i think he is trying to stay out of jail. i think he is generally afraid of the federal conviction, he wants to be able to pardon him self. but listen, you know i have so much respect for you, and your friend, but we disagree so fundamentally on this. i sat in the oval office with donald trump, when he said that a staffer who he believes lake something should be executed. he is use that same rhetoric you talk about our friend mark milley. this is not a person who i would argue is of sound mind , or is restricted by any guardrails around him. and on day, one his administration has an executive order ready to go that we'll get the federal workforce. now i'm a conservative, i would love to get rid of some excess of the federal employees if they're not doing something. he is talking about taking subject matter experts, and non partisans, and replacing them with loyalists who may be incompetent, or who may be actually dangerous what they are trying to. do >> and i would just say let's all exhale for a second, and remember there's a whole united states senate, there is an advice and consent role, that people get nominated and then they have hearings, and then there will be a lot of acting people, and then they are gone in 180. days >> so you're putting your faith in the u.s. senate? [laughter] >> i am putting my faith in -- the >> the u.s. government is. >> but how -- >> well, the house may not -- >> that house and the senate, they have functions of the american people. this is democracy, whether you like it or not, that's what we are witnessing here. >> so congressman cheney she's like banging on all of her elected, duly elected colleagues in the congress. they are put their by their constituents, they are put there by americans. for some reason, americans like donald trump, they like the former government he has provided. >> let me just say though. >> go ahead. >> look, i hope that you are right, but i don't think that we should be as lackritz -- democracies can fail. democracy is the most fragile form of government known to human beings. how do you know? we are the oldest one, and we are barely a couple hundred years old. when you've seen time and time again, democratic republicans have fallen apart. they usually fall apart when there's a lot of stress, socially, and you get an authoritarian strongman to show up. so when that happens, if you love america you love democracy, whether a democrat or republican, you've got to say holy crap, this is the same exact thing that took out every other democratic republic over the past 2000 years. we have got to be careful we have got to be concerned. >> well when you put it that way van. >> the only thing i would add that there is listen, you make a point about the senate confirmations, so donald trump won his last term that if you want to get somebody as a cabinet secretary you can get through senate confirmation, you could put them as the deputy, and then you could install them in an acting capacity. and -- they're only their 480 days, but 180 days as a cia director, or as the attorney general, you can do a lot of damage to american democracy, to the rule of law, to our national security. and i don't think that is a gamble we should take lightly. >> but also the jeffrey clark example. nobody in the department of justice suddenly is like oh yeah, i would love to be attorney general, and i'll do whatever the acting secretary of defense. >> but look at it after secretary casper? >> yeah i mean, again i keep coming back to, do we think well there's not enough people who would support this. but there are. >> and i want to say just one more thing. that is, we talk about, those of us who went to college and stuff with that, we talk about this in the abstract, democracy, democracy. what this means is your family could be hurt by this. somebody could say something that you know, and all the sudden they get in trouble for just literally having a different point of view. we've never had that in america. >> it's happening today in schools across america. >> listen, you've never had it from the department of justice at the direction of the president going after people, that could happen. >> in other words, this stuff it sounds abstract, but for real people, and you know this as well, when you talk to real people come from countries where they lost democracy, people from iran, people from venezuela, they are shocked. they can't believe it, because once this ball starts rolling, it gets bigger, and bigger, and faster, and faster. and it gets very very hard to stop. and this is the time, if the republican party are going to stand up and say there are some guardrails, it began to heal that here that now. because what liz cheney is saying, having pulled the curtains back, she was there, is very very frightening. and it is worse now than it was. then >> -- alyssa farah griffin, david urban, thanks so much. just ahead, a cnn exclusive, u.s. officials now have an estimate of just how long they expect israel's ground invasion in gaza to last. plus, what the next phase of the battle may look like, that is ahead. israel's military said today of the fighting in gaza that it was, quote, the most intense day since the beginning of the ground operation. a spokesman claims soldiers are going house to house, they say that they are finding, quote, in nearly every building and house, weapons, and in many houses, terrorists. cnn cannot independently confirm those claims. with israel increasing its aerial bombardment after expanding ground operations throughout gaza, the idf today said their forces are now, quote, in the heart of khan yunis. that city is in the south, it is gaza's second largest city. a top u. n. leave fischel in gaza has called the situation apocalyptic, and the civilians he said had quote, little to survive on. we will have more the increasing intention of the -- but first, a cnn exclusive on how long the ground operation may last. mj lee helped break the story, and joins us now. so, what is the white house saying about this timeline for the war? >> well anderson, as we are now on the eve of this war entering its third month, senior administration officials tell cnn that they expect the current ground invasion that israel is conducting in southern gaza to last several weeks. and that possibly by january, we would get to the next phase of this war. this is the face of the war that would be very lower in intensity, and it would be hyper-localized in its strategy to take out, basically, individual hamas operatives, and leaders. now, israel of course has said that a part of its major goal is to weaken hamas to such an extent that it couldn't ever repeat the kind of attack that we saw on october 7th. and what u.s. officials are saying is that they don't expect that goal to be achieved by the end of this calendar year. and that we are about to see is a longer turn campaign. now as we have been reporting, we also know that u.s. officials have been warning israeli counterparts, both in private and in public, that they need to conduct its southern operations differently than what we saw in the north. they have also been warning, anderson, that the clock is basically ticking on israel being able to continue its current operations, while maintaining a level of support from the international community that makes this current operation remotely tenable. >> does the white house think that israel has listened to its advice? >> you know, what's interesting is that in recent weeks, we have seen white house and u.s. officials increasingly talking about in public, this idea that israel has heeded the u.s. as warnings about how it should conduct its military operations, to limit civilian casualties. we saw the vice president talking about this on sunday, we've seen various senior officials using the word receptive. but in reality in private, this is not necessarily a consensus view here at the white house. one senior administration official told me that they actually wouldn't feel comfortable using the word receptive to describe this back and forth between u.s. and israeli officials. but a part of what is going on here, anderson, is that the u.s. has already always believe that it is better to quietly council israel, and try to sort of avoid public criticism of any of its military operations or decisions. >> mj lee in the white house, thanks very much. for more on the state of the fighting, which again, according to the idf was the most intense since the beginning of the ground invasion, i'm joined by jeremy diamond in ashkelon, israel tonight. so, what is the latest that you are hearing? >> well anderson, artillery and airstrikes are continuing near me in northern gaza. but the focus right now for the israeli military appears to be in southern gaza. the chief of staff of the israeli military saying that israeli forces are now in circling gaza second largest city, that is the city of khan yunis in southern gaza. we have seen israeli airstrikes in khan yunis, in rafah as well as -- a city just north of khan yunis. and the result of this of course, is that israeli forces could be on the brink of one of the most decisive battles of this war, as they prepare to enter the city of khan yunis. but of course, civilians are increasingly being caught in the cross fire, once again. we are seeing hundreds of people who have been killed in recent strikes in southern gaza. and, civilians are also facing a very difficult choice. the israeli military is ordered the evacuation of swath of southern gaza, where hundreds and thousands of people live. but, they are being pushed towards rafah, where the united nations and other aid agencies are warning that those areas are already overcrowded and under-resourced. and so, people are facing very difficult choices to head to those areas, or instead to remain where they are, and take a risk. but of course as you know anderson, nowhere in gaza appears to be safe. >> u.s. authorities have urged israel on multiple occasions to try to minimize civilian casualties, as fighting moves into southern gaza. what is israel doing or saying in response? >> well navy and focusing on those evacuation warnings, they have been dropping those leaflets urging people to evacuate. and also, sharing that qr code with a map, that divides gods up into hundreds of districts. that's what we've been hearing a lot from israeli military officials. but the feasibility and the effectiveness of those methods appears to be in serious question. there's not a lot of internet connectivity in gaza right now, and people again are being told to move to areas where there is already overcrowding. 80% of gaza's civilian population is already internally displaced. and so, people are really just having to face impossible choices right now. >> jeremy diamond, thank you. coming up, a closer look at president biden's struggles with latino voters in the battleground state of nevada. it's an early target of course in the presidents reelection campaign. john king takes a deep dive into this must win state, part of his ongoing series for us, all over the map. we'll be right back. president biden travels to las vegas friday, on his way to the west coast. he'll deliver remarks in a key battleground straight that lentner -- and has sided with the winning presidential candidate in ten of the last 11 presidential elections. winning nevada's large latina vote is going to be key, according to a cnn national poll last month, biden's up on the former president at nearly four points, with latino voters, 15% 46%. john king recently visited with -- part of his ongoing series for three 60, all over the map, that tracks presidential campaigns through the eyes and experiences of voters in battleground states. so what did you find? >> we found anecdotally what you saw in our cnn poll, that is much more competitive now among latino voters than it was in the last election. now there's 11 months until the election, but the president, anderson, has his work cut out for. still a covid hangover in the state, a lot of anxiety over the economy. inflation, gas prices still bothering people. and you also just have an emerging latino power. and as these voters become more aware of their power, they are shopping. >> lunchtime in vegas -- and, is happy to lay out the choices. >> more cautious though, about a past choice. >> what about 2020? biden or trump? >> 2020, i'll stay away from that today. >> you don't want to talk about that? >> no. >> why? >> why? because of the nature of society right now. you know, we are a small business, and, they will attack you, they will attack you just because you support certain candidates. and it's sad. >> what -- started the 9-1-1 taco bar after a decade in the air force, and 16 years as a vegas police officer. >> this was a dream of mine through the military, owning my own business, -- food and tacos. so i thought i could bring something special to the community. >> hispanics were a small slice of nevada's population when -- was a boy who admired ron reagan. more than 30% now. >> it's amazing, the political power that hispanics have created here in the state of nevada. >> this is a state, it's gone democrat in the last several presidential elections. but if you look at today, it's right there. >> it's 50/50. >> -- is one reason why. >> our vote has been taken for granted. >> the former democrat who worked for the teachers union. >> how are you doing today? >> now a republican, with one defining issue. >> your son is how old? >> she is six. >> and you -- >> i won't. >> why? >> because i work with hispanic families for 15 years here, and i've seen it. i've seen it firsthand how teachers have classrooms that are overcrowded, they can barely get to them. i would vote for the candidate that supports my views on school choice. >> in 2020, that was donald trump, with reservations. >> i will never condone racist comments towards my community, if that's the question. >> now -- hopes the gop makes a new choice. >> i like ron desantis, simply because of what he has done in florida. >> i personally would love to see nikki haley, to have another moment in the white house for school choice. >> inflation and interest rates were -- she's been selling homes in las vegas and its suburbs for 26 years. her voting history tracks nevada's shifted blue, democrat in the past four presidential elections. but sanchez is still a registered republican, her first and second votes for president to george w. bush. sanchez like the idea of lower taxes, mixed with compassionate talk about immigrants. >> is does that republican party exist anymore? >> it does not exist anymore. >> would you like it too? >> i would love it to come back. >> sanchez has another haley fan. >> because i think she could bring back that real republican feeling, that conservative, everything that it used to be. >> so if it's trump biden, your for biden? >> if it were haley biden? >> i would vote for hailie. >> never trump for sanchez, but she says some fans friends who voted biden in 2020, talk about giving trump a second chance. >> some of them say, look at what is happening to the economy, there is no way. >> and what do you say to that? >> i say, don't, don't. he is going to make things worst. >> the strip has changed a ton since -- started as a treasure island pastry chef 20 years ago. >> to be in a job that long, and actually still love it, it's awesome. >> -- is a loyal democrat, and volunteers every election as a culinary union foot soldier, and knows even a modest latino shift could tip nevada republican in 2024. >> i think we can, we have a chance -- to >> -- complains biden's two old, or nostalgia for the pre-covid trump economy. he tries to re-frame the conversation. >> you want somebody that's going to be for the working class. you want somebody who -- for the working class people, as we get closer, and people start getting more information, and correct information, i think it will be a lot different. >> change is a constant here. so in early debates with friends, -- his two sons are split between biden and trump -- says do your homework, and keep an open mind. >> people are confused. i'm like, there is no perfect candidate up there. >> so we are in vegas. would you put your money on trump biden? or are we going to be surprised? >> i think we are going to be surprised. i think we are going to be surprised. >> the early odds of course, suggest otherwise. >> well john as you said, the pandemic also continues to impact the states economy. how might that influence voters? >> there is just this hangover effect, anderson. i want to show you some numbers. it's just stunning when you go out to nevada. remember at the height of covid, so february 20, february 20 the unemployment rate in nevada was 4. 4%. in april two months later, was over 30%, that was twice the national peak. the national peak during covid was only 14's. nevada got more than twice that, because obviously of the casinos, tourism, the hospitality industry, wiped out. so if you take a body blow like that, 30% unemployment. guess what yes, most of those jobs are back, the unemployment rate is 5. 4% right now. but, people still feel it. they took that b body blow, , ad they're lolooking arouound. they say s some people are still working part-time, they don't trust things. and thenen you have e inflation, inteterest rateses, and otheher fafactors coming in. and, somome blame bibiden, somee justst feel econonomic anxieiet. but as i'm looking a around, and seveveral peoplele said wellll, reremember, ththe economy y waso good undnder trump p pre covid.. so, , they are l little confnfu. they arere looking a around, the bideden campaigngn says giveve a choice.. if t trump is nonominated, w wel fix thisis. bubut there's s no questioion tt covid hahangover, a a demonic anxietety, that cocould -- >> what t about otheher states t have a bigig latino vovoting bl? 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