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>> both admired and hated. kissinger provided -- playing multilevel diplomatic chess. >> the house is set to vote this saturday, expelling republican congressman george santos. >> a growing number of republicans say they're going to support this effort. >> i personally have reservation. >> if they're confident this is constitutional, god bless their hearts. >> good morning, and welcome. new this morning, a pause between israel and hamas, it's going to last at least one more day. the question, though, this morning, how long will this pause last. an israeli official says the pause could be extended only if hamas releases ten living hostages each day. hamas said it had initially offered a different deal last night, seven women and children hostages and the bodies of three more who were dead. israel rejected that offer. israel says it has a new list of hostages expected to be released today. and new this morning, israel says there are 145 hostages who remain in gaza. that includes 11 foreigners, 27 women, and three people who are under the age of 18. there were 16 additional hosta hostages released on wednesday including an american woman among them. people cheered in the streets waving israeli flags after they were free. >> reporter: among those released 13-year-old ga lee tar shan ski. we spoke to her mother, said they could not grieve, the family could not grieve the loss of her 15-year-old brother until gali returned home. secretary of state antony blinken is in israel meeting behind closed doors with the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, at this moment. cnn's matthew chance is live for us in tel aviv. matthew, last minute extension, literally it was i think eight or nine minutes until the deadline. how tenuous is this situation as the push to extend it starts again today? >> reporter: yeah, i think it's very tenuous, phil, because as we've seen, hamas already finding it difficult to gather israeli women and children to be swapped in exchange for the release of palestinian prisoners and continuation of the pause as well as an influx of aid efforts. they offered seven people yesterday who are alive, three bodies as well. that was rejected we're told by the israeli authorities who say they want ten live israeli hostages in exchange for a continued pause in the fighting, but that is obviously increasingly difficult and is not clear at the moment how many people are on the current list that's been offered by hamas to israel to be swapped today. but clearly it's something that's an ongoing sort of process of negotiation. the hope is, of course, that there can be another list agreed for an eighth consecutive day to allow that pause to continue to allow more israeli hostages to be set free. i think possibly one issue is going to be as the number of women and children that are in gaza is reduced through their releases, it's going to be more difficult for hamas to bring those people together in a way that they can be sort of handed over to the israelis. so we'll soon have to be looking at sort of male hostages, possibly hostages who are members of the israeli defense forces as well. that's ongoing. meanwhile, in jerusalem there has been an attack by two palestinian gunmen killing three israelis, injuring now another seven israeli civilians in a gun attack in jerusalem. the palestinian gunmen were killed by passers by, a couple of them i think off duty members of the israeli security forces. there have been tensions elsewhere in the west bank as well with killings in the palestinian town of jenin as well. and it just underlines that the tensions that have been, you know, continuing to simmer in the region are boiling over at various locations, even as these hostage negotiations continue, phil. >> absolutely. mat matthew, appreciate it. thank you. >> joining us now is an official with the israeli -- an official israeli government spokesperson. we appreciate your time this morning. the actual construct of what was agreed to last night, there have been reports that it was eight women and children, the two dual russian israeli citizens that were unilaterally released yesterday would be considered part of the ten that the israeli government has been unequivocal, must be included in each step of these extensions. can you confirm that? >> good morning, phil, thank you so much for having me on. i can tell you that there's a lot of different things being reported currently. but as an israeli government spokesman, i will wait until those people are on israeli ground before i can confirm anything. we've seen for multiple days now hamas playing psychological games with the people of israel, with the families of the hostages, releasing children without their parents, parents without their children, changing lists at the last minute, so we will wait to see them uphold that agreement, and if that agreement isn't upheld, we will move to the next stage. >> one of the concerns about the initial phases of the agreement now that there's an extension has been red cross visitation of the hostages was a provision of the original agreement that had not come to fruition. did anything about last night's extension start to lock that into place? >> not to my knowledge. we know that from the beginning, hamas has rejected any notion of visitation rights from the red cross or any sort of humanitarian aid. we're hearing the horror stories of the hostages coming out. children, children being made to watch those horrific videos and told at gunpoint if they cry or if they make any noise, they'll be shot. emily, that irish israeli girl who was released, she was released and she's whispering. she's scared to raise her voice because she thought she was there for a year in an underground hamas dungeon held by masked monsters with machine guns. >> hamas said yesterday before the agreement was reached they had proposed seven women and children and the bodies of three other israelis. that was rejected according to hamas and u.s. officials. the -- my question right now is of the 145, i believe, is the latest number the israeli government put out of hostages being held at this moment, are all 145 considered alive? do we have any idea now that hamas is offering bodies as an exchange if some of those are not? >> i wish i could answer that question, and i pray and hope that every single one of those hostages is alive and well. unfortunately, knowing who we're up against, we're up against hamas who plowed through our borders on october 7th killing, butchering, raping, beheading, that's who we're up against. so we hope for the best for all of the hostages, but we can't confirm that. what we can say is that we have demanded from hamas from the beginning to release the hostage unconditionally. we have said from the beginning this war has two missions. one is not on top of the other. the first mission is to dismantle hamas, to destroy hamas, to ensure that never again the worst atrocity on jewish people since the holocaust be able to be perpetrated again. and secondly is to release every one of those 240 hostages. we cannot leave one behind. >> one of the complicated factors that u.s. officials have spoken to me about is you're dealing or through intermediaries dealing with hamas specifically here. there's a belief that other groups, palestinians, islamic h jihad, are also holding hostages, are there any communications through intermediaries with those other entities? >> from our perspective, hamas governs gaza. hamas has made it very clear that hamas governs gaza. it's a bit of a hard thing to believe that they couldn't make a few phone calls to their various factions, which are essentially, you know, like islamic jihad, like their little brother, whereas hamas gets 93% of their funding from iran, islamic jihad gets 100% of their funding from iran. these people work together. they perpetrated the massacre together, and we call upon them to stop playing games, to release our hostages. this is a crime against humanity, and it's time that they be back home with their families or the family members that are still alive. because we know that, for example, that american girl, abigail is free, but her mother and father were killed. she is now an orphan. >> just quickly because we're almost out of time, what do you believe the prospects are for securing another extension at the end of the current period? >> well, our cards have been the same. our cards are on the table. if they release ten live israeli hostages, then we will continue for a day, and we will take it day by day. >> avi hyman, israeli government spokesman, we appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. we're just about an hour away now from congressman george santos's expected words. he's set to speak on the steps of the capitol. he could, of course, be expelled tomorrow. we'll speak with one of his colleagues about why he does plan to vote to kick santos out. new overnight, the death of one of the most consequential and controversial figures in u.s. foreign policy. how henry kissinger's impact is being felt still today. this morning the world is remembering one of the most influential and complicated foreign policy figures in american history. former secretary of state henry kissinger died yesterday at his home in connecticut. he was 100 years old. kissinger served as national security adviser and secretary of state to president nixon. he would actually go on to advise 12 presidents becoming a singular figure in foreign policy and was a diplomat until the end meeting with president xi jinping of china as recently as july. >> kissinger navigated u.s. policy during the vietnam war and most notably during the cold war. he helped open communist china to the united states but he also had critics. very real critics. some accused him of being a war criminal for policies they say contributed to massive civilian deaths in places like cambodia in the 1970s. let's bring in historian alan schwartz, he wrote kissinger's biography, and is a history and political science professor at vanderbilt university. professor, we appreciate your time this morning. i don't think anybody knows this individual better. the idea of the complicated legacy undeniably one of the most prominent, if not the most prominent in shaping american history, world history in the last several decades, and yet, a very controversial figure because of those efforts. how did he view himself and his legacy? >> well, i think he had a measured view of himself. e he also had a very high estimation of himself. he frequently used self-deprecating humor to cap chau capture that. he was quite unapock jlogetic. he felt that he had pursued policies that were in the american national interests and that ultimately history would both vindicate and judge those policies based on that. and was that too then how he approached that criticism, which has been significant over the years, would that have been the same approach? >> oh, yes, yeah. he was quite -- i mean, he could defend himself quite ably. he made a joke of when he would admit to making mistakes, but he would acknowledge occasionally misjudgments during the time he was in office, but he did not -- he would argue quite forcefully back that his policies on the whole -- >> i've been so fascinated by his post-government role even over the course of the last several month, meeting with xi jinping, meeting with congressional lawmakers as recently as september as well. what did he view as his role in this period of time towards the end of his life? >> well, i think kissinger always worried that the instability, the type of thing he had experienced as a young man in germany, the concerns he had that the united states would not be able to maintain the type of position that he had hoped it would as a sort of guarantor or in the balance of power, so he continued to play a role in influencing both american decision-making but also as an intermediary, and so he had enormous -- he was respected enormously in china and as a friend of china, but also someone who could speak directly to the chinese about american interests and american concerns, and i think he saw his role almost to the end of his life as someone trying to mediate, trying to negotiate. he was an effective -- very effective negotiator, and he continued to play that role all the way to the end. >> a role he relished, sought out as well. loved the limelight as we know. as a biographer, can you share with us a story that maybe really surprised you in your research. as you're pulling all of this together, something that maybe the folks a t home maybe haven' heard before? >> well, i think one of the things that i was most surprised by when i began my research and in doing my book, i did work previously on the united states's relationship with germany and i was always fascinated by the fact that kissinger although he had been exiled from that country and would have lost 11 relatives in the holocaust, nevertheless maintained a close tie to germany. and when he went back as an american soldier after world war ii and was in the occupation, he rejected calls to be vindictive and to punish germans indiscriminately basically arguing that's not the way you create peace. and for the rest of his life he maintained -- he was particularly interested in sort of rehabilitating germany, the german democracy, and i think this is an aspect of his life that's not very well-known, the degree to which he actually sought to be constructive in the relationship between the united states and germany, which is now one of the absolute pillars of the international order is the connection between the united states and europe, but also most importantly between the united states and germany! fascinating and complex life on every level, professor thomas alan schwartz, thank you. >> thank you, thank you for having me on the program. new overnight, the military pause between israel and hamas extended now for a seventh day. it almost didn't happen, that announcement really came just moments before, minutes before that deal was set to expire. new details for you this morning on which hostages could be released today. and the battle over immigration leaves some migrants on the street. how they're trying to stay warm in chicago's brutal cold. stay with us. and so what we've said as a leadership team is we're going to allow people to vote their cons conscience. i think it's the only appropriate thing we can do. we've not whipped the vote, and we wouldn't. i trust that people would make that decision thoughtfully and in good faith. i personally have real reservations about doing this. i'm concerned about a precedent that may be set for that. >> that was republican house speaker mike johnson. he says that despite his reservations the expulsion vote for congressman george santos is expected tomorrow. santos is expected to speak from the capitol steps in just about 45 minutes. the embattled new york congressman says he will not resign. if santos is voted out of congress, he would be just the sixth house member ever to be formally ousted in the face of damning allegations about his conduct. support to boot him is mounting among republicans after that damning most recent ethics report that concluded santos, quote, sought to fraudulently exploit everies y aspect of his house candidacy for his own personal financial profit. our next guest has stated clearly where he stands. >> i think george santos is toast. >> does that mean that you're a yes? >> that's a yes. >> joining us now is republican congressman ryan zinke of montana, that was rather clclea about where he stood. do you wish the speaker had taken a more forceful position aligned with where you are? >> well, you know, we all waited until the ethics committee report was filed, and if you read it closely, there's no doubt in my mind, there's no doubt from the conclusion of the report that santos lied and was fraudulent in his election. so to me, you know, is it in the best interests of the u.s. house of representatives to have members that are serving on the basis of truth, you know, campaigns are hard, but when you're fraudulent from the very beginning, i don't think it's in the best interests of the house, and i certainly don't think it's in the best interests of the country. i've heard the argument, well, the majority. the same decision should be made whether we had a two-person majority or a 40-person majority because the issue is the same. is this member, is his presence in the best interests of congress or not, and in my judgment, he was elected through fraud and, therefore, the house has an obligation to police its own. >> the other argument as well is precedent. while there have been six other expulsions, none before for somebody who hadn't been convicted or was a member of the confederacy, and i think what's interesting to me, when you left the interior department, you had investigations, ethics investigations underway. your lawyer at the time and since you've been in the wake of the conclusion of those investigations said they were political smears. had you not had due process, were you concerned that perhaps things would have ended up differently for you as a cabinet official? >> well, that's why we took it to the ethics committee, and it took a long time, and they were very, very thorough and i think the results of the committee report are damning. i don't think it's in dispute. and so i do think that the house has an obligation to police its own when you see this level of fraud. and look, he's an affable person, you know, i don't begrudge him personally, but i do -- i do look at the institution as a whole deserves to have members that uphold the standard, and you know, we argue about across the country lawlessness, but also congress has an obligation to be an example to america and the rest of the country that members here are held to a standard. >> you recently endorsed the former president, president donald trump. you have a unique perspective as you noted. you were a cabinet official in his first administration. it has been fascinating to watch over the course of the last several years that a number of cabinet officials, a number of white house senior staffers have all come out and warned against a re-election of the former president. why are they wrong? >> well, you know, at this point donald trump is, as much of a movement as he is a candidate. i think america looks at it, we want to get things done. we see the path of the current administration, wrong on foreign policy, wrong on domestic policy, wrong across the board on policy, and with president trump, he got things done, and you know, working for him, he was a great boss, you know, and i could separate, you know, personality from policy. i focused on policy, you know, energy being one of them. look, when i came in, we were 8.3 million barrels a day in beholden to foreign interests. after two years we were 12.5 million barrels a day. and by the way, we lowered emissions, and people forget both energy and the environment, president trump will give you environment. great american outdoors act, the largest investment in our public lands as far as our forests and parks in the history of this country. so i like the fact that he can get things done. >> should note that now there are over 13 million barrels a day in the current administration. but understand your policy perspective, particularly from a regulatory side of things. given the conflict that is ongoing right now in the middle east, i did want to ask you about recent legislation you proposed that would have revoked visas for palestinians since october 1st, but also block new entrances and arrivals. you've come under sharp criticism from two jewish democrats who are unequivocally pro-israel. greg landsman is one of them, saying that this is essentially an attack with no basis and leaves or drives towards things like hatred and islamophobia, what's your response? >> here's the basis. this administration is incapable of vetting or screening individuals. i'll give you a couple of examples. afghanistan, remember the c-17s, who was on it? how about our southern border? we have hundreds, hundreds of individuals that are on the terrorist watch list and reports verified that in hamas, remember hamas is a government. it's also a terrorist organization, and there are terrorists integrated into the refugees. so looking back from a s.e.a.l. perspective, former s.e.a.l. commander perspective, look, october 1st -- and these are visas issued by who? the palestinian authority, the same authority that is hamas. there's no difference. >> can i ask you, i mean, the palestinian authority issues the visas, the israelis actually have some oversight and regulations tied to those visas as well. in terms of refugees, the numbers are incredibly small. i understand you could make the point about arrivals, but i think the question is, you know, of the examples that your team put out as background, three of them were about syria nationals. three of them were about general reports warning writ large about terror ideology in the wake of october 7th. the one was ambiguous in terms of the location. what evidence do you have specifically, this is a problem? >> let's look at the evidence of vetting and screening. we have as many as 50 million illegal immigrants in this country in our southern border. when you have hundreds of people on the terrorist watch list that are abduct or looked at, and then hundreds more are in this country, and how many terrorists does it take to commit an act? well, how many did it take in 9/11? >> so do you ban everyone, though? if that's the case, just ban everyone. >> well, you know, what i'd like to see is this administration capable of screening or vetting, and clearly they're not. look at the southern border as an example. do they vet people? well, we're going to look at biometrics. if you're not in a database, biometrics don't matter. you look at what's happening on the southern border, afghanistan, remember the c-17s, and of course the only reports, verified reports that there are hamas terrorists integrated in the refugees, although few, but remember where they're coming from. hamas is a terrorist organization as well as hamas is a government in gaza. so we should not freely accept individuals that support or are part of a terrorist organization internationally recognized. it has nothing to do with the people who are palestinians. i have no hatred or, you know -- i guess any type of people, but i do want to make sure we protect our country in making sure this this country is safe, and right now i have zero confidence in biden administration vetting or screening anyone. >> this is very specifically targeted, though, that is for sure. congressman ryan zinke, republican from montana, we appreciate your time, thank you. texas governor greg abbott says he is about to send more migrants to northern cities. this of course as temperatures in places like chicago are dropping, in some cases below zero. we have a live report for you just ahead. the temperature at this moment in chicago just above freezing. at least 20,000 additional migrants from the southern border are headed to the windy city. according to the republican governor of texas, greg abbott says his state has already bussed 70,000 migrants to cities across the united states. cities run by democrats, among them washington, d.c., new york, philadelphia, denver, l.a., and he says he does plan to send more. cnn's whitney wild is in chicago this morning, more migrants headed to the city. temperatures edging up slightly, but it is still bitterly cold outside, whitney. >> reporter: absolutely, erica, and that slightly -- that slight temperature above freezing represents a marked improvement after a very cold week here, a bitterly cold week that put renewed pressure on city officials to move these migrants indoors. as temperatures dipped into the low teens with windchills of around zero this week, many migrants living on the street found chicago's unfamiliar climate unforgiving. this man said he has been living in a tent and now feels sick. >> i think it is because of the cold. >> 99.1. >> with help from a translator, dr. amanda bradkey offers care to migrants awaiting placement at a shelter. >> a lot of what we're seeing is upper respiratory infections, whether that be a different virus or we're seeing a lot of strep throat. also seeing some pneumonia. >> reporter: more than 1,100 migrants are still living at police stations and airports, down from more than 3,000 earlier this fall. the pace of new arrivals has slowed but not stopped. we were there as a bus dropped off dozens of migrants at an already crowded police station. more than 23,000 migrants have arrived in chicago since august 2022, much of the influx driven by texas governor greg abbott who says northern cities should take on more migrants to ease the strain at the border. >> we've never been in a situation like this, right? all this is unprecedented. >> reporter: older person andre vasquez heads the city's council on immigrants and refugee rights. >> what is your biggest fear? >> winter time is the most immediate. snow is going to hit. if we don't find decompression and find other spaces for folks to live in and get to work, it's really concerning. >> reporter: city officials are opening more shelters and phasing in a 60-day limit on stays. mayor brandon johnson says the city is partnering with more than a dozen faith groups to take migrants off the street. >> we cannot abandon families and asylum seekers and let them go through chicago's winter alone. >> reporter: now the state is funding a massive military grade tent in the brighton park neighborhood to house migrants, despite fierce opposition from some residents and questions about whether the area, a former industrial site, is safe. elder woman julia ramirez remits brighton park. >> when we're thinking about the most vulnerable, whether it's the residents or asylum seekers, they deserve to have a humane and dignified process to make sure they get shelter. >> reporter: work at that site has already begun, but the environmental assessment to determine whether or not it's safe for migrants to live there won't be available until friday. state and city officials insist no one will be allowed inside unless that site is determined to be safe. they're targeting mid-december to start opening doors there. meanwhile, in the short-term the city is offering warming buses like the one you see over my shoulder for migrants out in the cold overnight. back to you. >> whitney wild rkts appreciate the reporting. three people are dead and several other wounded in jerusalem after police say palestinian gunmen opened fire at a bus stop. we've got new details coming in. plus, elon musk was pretty clear with his thoughts. you can read them there at the bottom of your screen. here's a little bit more, though, if you just want to hear it for yourself. it's his message. >> go [ bleep ] yourself. is that clear? 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>> yeah. >> the pain sponge, that's what she is. she's the pain sponge for this behavior. this is an experienced ad exec. she knows exactly what happened here. for some reason she's decided to enable him. that's the real problem here. besides his ridiculous behavior and childish behavior, she's also enabling him and making excuses and trying to wrap it in the cloak of the first amendment. in fact, you don't have to advertise where you don't want to. i think that's pretty much the basics of advertising. people pick and choose, and they've picked, and instead he wants to blame them for his own behavior. it was such a bizarre -- it's not bizarre, he's done it before. he just keeps doing it and keeps doubling down, and so, you know, at one point, you know, as maya angelou says whren someone tell you who they are, believe them. >> in the grand scheme of things sort of on brand. i was also struck by israel's president was also interviewed at deal book, and he was asked specifically about the visit that elon musk made. he was also asked -- he said he appreciated it, but he was asked whether he thought elon musk would actually be fighting anti-semitism on x, and he didn't really give an answer, which to me told us everything we needed to know. >> how could he. right, how could he. it's become, you know, he's allowed all kinds of -- he got rid of content moderation. he said everyone should be able to say whatever. that trip was a pr stunt, and it was -- a lot of people in israel thought it was shameful for the government to do that, but they need help too i guess, you know. what's happening there, especially netanyahu. netanyahu has come to his aid before when he had another issue around anti-semitism with the adl, and so this just happens over and over again. and what's fascinating is the blame he wants -- the richest man in the world wants to say advertisers are the cause of his problems. he's the cause of his problems, and the reason ads are down is because of how he behaves on the platform, not just promoting anti-semitic stuff or allowing it to run rampant, study afterdy shows this. but he sues people or he cuts them off or he calls them name, bob iger, it's his fault he is losing all this money and he is going to have to pay the price. he said that on stage. it's not a public company. it's his company. he r can afford to keep doing this. >> we got to go. great point. keying on the iger comment, which i don't think has gotten as much attention as it should. it was a one-off, what the heck? thank you so much. >> thanks a lot. happening now, secretary of state antony blinken is meeting with palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas in the west bank. and separated from her husband and 3-year-old daughter on october 7th. hours ago she was freed. her brother joins us next. israel and hamas have agreed to extend their military pause another day. that is offering additional hope more hostages will be released. 16 were freed yesterday, including 36-year-old israeli -- along with her husband and 3-year-old daughter, they were visited in-laws. after hamas forced the three of them into a car, they saw an idf tank mere the border, took their chances and jumped out. s she handed had her daughter to her husband because she knew he could run faster and ran the other directing the gunshots towards her. her husband and daughter escaped after hiding in the woods for hours. now after nearly two months apart, they have been reunited. joining me is her brother. if you are a viewer of this program, you have seen him talking about his sister, pleading for her release. you are at the hospital there. how are you in this moment? >> first of all, good morning. it is a good morning. it's finally saying we had a few good mornings in israel with the release of more and more hostages. this night it was the turn of my sister and she came back here safe and healthy. obviously, she has been through horrible 54 days, but now she is with us and reunited with this immense joy you can see on the face of her daughter, and a lot of row leave. rz. >> you told us a month ago, you talked about your niece, her 3-year-old daughter. in many ways keeping people going. she is just had light and you said a lot of that is because of who her mother is and who her mother has taught her to be even at the young age of 3. that look on her face is pure joy, gili. >> yes. sorry. but, yes. that was pure joy. that was pure joy. even when we spoke with her on the phone before we met her, and we just told a few minutes ago, she immediately just, you know, she was ready. she was ready to meet -- she was ready to meet her mother. and i told we missed you so much. then told me missing is like a small word. it's not enough to describe what i felt. so geffen told her, and i miss you the whole world and over than that. so just like we under. she grasped at them. she kept our hopes and she kept our optimism and we did the same for her. now it's been fulfilled. i think that many people, also when i was last time i ask how can we be so optimistic and here we were right and i want to keep on this optimism because we have so much more people to be released and so much more life to be saved, even geffen's aunt, the sister-in-law is still in captivity. she was not released today. we are waiting for her to be on the list every day. we have this nightmare of who is on the list, who is not on the list, this sick reality show by hamas. we hope that everybody will come back. >> did jardin know that her husband and daughter were safe? or was she in the dark this whole time? >> so she was in the dark most of the time. she found out late in her captivity by a random radio -- a radio program that she briefly had the chance to hear on the side of family members of ours and she concluded that her daughter and husband are alive, but she also concluded that her mother-in-law was killed. >> oh, my goodness. >> so she got a few seconds of -- but most of the time she was in the dark. imagine how hard it was for her. >> you said her sister-in-law is still being held. were they held together? >> no. unfortunately, no. we know that her sister-in-law was held wit

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