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hamas just released more hostages, but what about those kidnapped americans? "the lead" starts right now. 12 more hostages freed, but not two american women. what happened to the deal cut last week that was thought to have included them? cnn teams working their stories. plus the cnn exclusive, the father of emily hand, after re reu reuniting with the 9-year-old kidnapped by hamas. the joy, the relief, the trauma, and the pain for so many of these families. and brand new this hour, former republican congressman liz cheney naming names. her stunning new revolutions about former speaker kevin mccarthy, nancy pelosi and what fellow republicans would tell her secretly behind closed doors. welcome to "the lead," i'm jake tapper. we start today with breaking news the fifth group of hostages released by hamas in exchange for some prisoners, some palestinian prisoners is now back in israel and headed to be reunited with their families. newly released video shows the terrorist group handing the hostages over to the red gross earlier today. ten israelis were freed today. mainly older women, but the israeli hostages are an 84-year-old, a 78-year-old, a 77-year-old, a 75-year-old, a 63-year-old, a 60-year-old, a 59-year-old. says that he says hamas forced him to watch videos of the october 7th attacks, murders and such. she told cnn affiliate bfmtv that he was beaten after he was kidnapped and taken to gaza. and every time a child cried hamas threatened the child with a weapon, he was forced to spend some of his days as a captive completely alone, solitary confinement for a 12-year-old. one captive endured days of very little food. who said karen and her mother route each lost between 13 and 18 pounds while in captivity. some days the only food they were given was peta bread and young emily hand, who turned nine in captivity also lost weight. her dad told cnn he's never seen her so pail. she was only speaking with her dad in whispers because she was taught by hamas to not make any noise. we start with jeremy diamond at the carem shalom crossing. what's happening now? >> reporter: 12 more freed hostages are on the way to central israel. we just saw four helicopters altogether one earlier the last hour and three more just now taking off from the crossing where those israeli haostages ad two thai hostages crossed in. those helicopters headed north in the direction of central israel. we know the among the 10 israeli hostages there is only one minor, a 17-year-old, mia, who was freed tonight. that's unusual. we've typically seen more c children, minors released in this deal. we have 61 israelis, 21 nationals freed over the last five days but now attention is turning as we head into the second day tomorrow of the ex extended truce whether it can be extended further. we know today the cia director was in doha, qatar meeting with his qatari and egyptian counter parts to see if a broader deal is possible, to see whether or not men and soldiers can be included in the next phase of this deal for now that is a massive open question and a lot hanging in the balance. the lives of those hostages still in gaza, the hundreds of trucks of humanitarian aid and the pause in the bombardment on the gaza strip. >> there were classes between the hamas and israeli forces, that would be a violation of the pause. tell us what happened. >> reporter: there certainly was. now it's a question of who violated the truce today. hamas accuses israel and the israeli military said it was hamas and they provide details of what they say happened. they say three explosive devices were detonated near israeli forces at two different locations. they say that two idf soldiers were injured in that incident and they returned fire to hamas. hamas said israel is the one that opened fire first but this is the most significant break in the truth we have seen so far. but for now it does not appear to be significant enough to call off the deal entirely. for now we are still expecting ten more israeli civilian hostages to be released tomorrow and one additional day of that pause in fighting. jake? >> let's bring in barack, the newest cnn border analyst. thanks for coming in, good to have you. are you surprised the pause has gone on for five days and appears to be still ongoing? >> reporter: jake, it's great to be here on your show, and at cnn. i'm not really surprised. i think both sides have great interest that this pause will continue, at least for now, at least for several more days, that was i think one of the main issues on the table in this spy chief summit in doha, qatar today trying to see if we can continue this pause for another day, another two day, three days, the maximum amount of days possible, according to the daily cabinet decision is overall nine day pause we're now at the end of the fifth day. i think there's still some way to go. >> so the israelis get hostages back and hamas gets what a breather and opportunity to reconstitute itself and prepare to fight back against the idf? >> first a breather is something that hamas really wants. so i think for them it's really important. second i think what hamas is banking on is the fact we'll get to nine days of pause and then say, well, after nine days could israel really resume the operation the same way it did before the pause? it's an open question. if you ask the israelis they'll tell you of course we're going to resume the operation. if you ask the biden administration, you hear some more nuanced answers. but one very interesting thing is that doing this spy chief summit in doha today, the israelis came with a very clear message because the qatar ris ce and said hamas wants a new deal on hostages and maybe soldiers and men they took hostage. and the israelis said we're not going to discuss anything with you about a future deal before you finish releasing all the women and children that you still have in your custody. and this is between 30 to 40 women and children. so this means at least three to four days. >> and then, of course, as you note, there's this pressure, increasing pressure, from the biden administration, and also from it seems from the brits as well, for the israelis to be more careful when it comes to civilian casualties. do you think there is any chance that the israelis will take measures to reduce civilian casualties, even when they resume trying to go after hamas? >> reporter: i think it's going to be a very tricky thing to do. because they still have some neighborhoods in northern gaza they still need to operate in, so that's not a problem because most of the people are out of there, but in southern gaza you have 2 million people to operate in such a dense area, it's almost impossible for the military to operate there without causing great damage and civilian casualties. so i think this is going to be a main issue of contention between israel and the u.s. going forward. >> what are you hearing about why the two american women have not yet been released? the two american women taken hostage by hamas. >> reporter: i don't think there's an issue there. i don't think hamas is saying you're americans we're not going to release you. every day when the list comes in had, sometimes there are negotiations over them. sometimes they change, sometimes they change several times. i think as those two americans are part of the group still in custody and israel wants to get them back. i think if hamas wants this to continue it has to release them. >> something that i don't think a lot of americans understand, hamas isn't the only group that has hostages there's other groups, traerrorist groups that has hostages. does hamas even know who has all the hostages? >> reporter: so first, the answer to this question is, of course, they know completely well who has those hostages. in some cases they know because they've given them those hostages to look after them and to keep them in hiding and one example is the bibas family and maybe you saw it and the audience saw it, a mother with two red head children, one of them is 10 months old in hamas tunnels in captivity for 50 days now. and those mother and two kids are with a group that is not hamas, but hamas has given the group, this family, and i think the reason the israelis are saying we will not discuss any further deal before you release all women and children is because they want to press hamas to bring this family back home. >> barak ravid thank you and welcome to cnn. >> thank you. next the exclusive with thomas hand and what his daughter, nine years old, told him about her days in captivity and unspoken signs of trauma. plus liz cheney on the record. the excuse that kevin mccarthy gave her for the mar-a-lago visit about trump and what she said republicans have told her act the former president b behi clclosed doorsrs. stay w with us. nearly 2 months after being ripped from their homes and torn apart from their families, freed hostages are returning to different lives. some are waiting for other family members to be released, others are learning for the first time their loved ones were killed by hamas. clarissa ward spoke with one father, thomas hand, he thought initially his daughter had been killed, he was grateful for it because of what hamas might do for her. then he found out she was alive and now 9-year-old emily is home safe and she's slowly sharing details about what happened to her after she was kidnapped by hamas on october 7th. >> all of a sudden the door opened up and she just ran. it was beautiful just like in -- just like i imagined it. you know, running together. and i squeezed -- probably squeezed too hard. . >> reporter: it was a moment thomas hand he thought would never come. told his 9-year-old daughter emily had been killed in the october 7th attack then she was believed to be held hostage in gaza. finally reunited with her family after 50 days in captivity. freed but visibly haunted by her ordeal. >> the most shocking disturbing part of the meeting was she was just whispering. i had to put my ear on her lips. i thought you were kidnapped. >> she said, i thought you were kidnapped? >> she thought i was in captivity. >> what has she told you about what she's gone through? >> i thought she was in the tunnels, but she wasn't in the tunnels. they were actually fleeing from house to house. some like it referred to -- she said the box. so you have to say lounge were you in the box? she said a year. apart from the whispering, that was like a punch in the gut. >> reporter: there's that one photograph right after your reunion and you're holding her and there is this sort of seriousness to her facial expression. >> yeah. she's almost staring isn't she? a little bit of a disconnect with everything going on around her. >> reporter: has she cried? >> last night she cried until her face was red and blotchy. she couldn't stop. she didn't want any comfort. i guess she's forgotten how to be comforted. i just backed away until she came out of it herself. she knows how to do that. she's a very determined little girl. very strong. i knew that her spirit would get her through it. >> reporter: there have been glimpses of the old emily. happily walking the family dog, but many moments of pain like when thomas was forced to break the news to her that his ex-wife had been killed. >> reporter: does emily understand what happened on october 7th? >> yeah. yeah. unfortunately she does. and how do you tell her, you know, your second mom is dead, killed, shot. when we got to the hospital, i asked the psychiatrist, what should i do? he should you have to just tell her straight. it's the best way. okay. yeah, that was -- that was very hard. because we told her and, you know, her little eyes glazed up and she just went -- shock and take a breath. terrible thing to tell a child. and they recommend that you have to close the book. sounds cruel. but you have to stop that hope. you've got to stop that. it has to be final. >> reporter: and so, what is the next step now? how long do you stay here? how do you start a new life? >> the future is obviously, get emily back to health. and we will do that along the way. but the next thing is along the way is that we have to get all the children, obviously, all the women all the men, all the hostages have to come back. they have to be brought back. >> reporter: jake, you heard thomas talk about getting emily back to health. now she is in good physical condition. there's no indication that she was physically abused in any way. she lost a lot of weight. she was very, very pail. she said they didn't have enough to eat. but obviously there is a psychological component here. the very fact that he was only able to whisper because she's so frightened of raising her voice. she said the only word she learned in arabic was the word be quiet, which gives you an indication of the fear she was living through. and how she has very bad head lice but all things considered she is in good health physically. when he talks about bringing the hostages back he's very focused on the mother of emily's very good friend hilla, a girl she had gone to the play date with, spent the night with, was kidnapped with, along with hilla's mother who was kidnapped, and acted like a second mother with her. two days before they were to be released. hilla was released with emily, and you can imagine the anguish she's going through right now without her mother. and thomas said we need to fight for all the hostages and particularly rya and why it was she was separated from her daughter ahead of their release. >> thank you for that report. coming up next, a cnn exclusive, the new revelations from former congresswoman liz cheney you'll hear for the first time, her take on kevin mccarthy and nancy pelosi and her warning of what she thinks will happen if donald trump is the 2024 presidential candidate. in our politics lead, former republican congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming delivering a devastating portrait of the republican party and former president donald trump part of her new memoir out next week called "oath and honor". cnn received a copy of it and we're here with the details. jamie, you told me that liz cheney does not hold back. >> she does not. she names names. has emails, text messages. the book is extraordinary because it goes behind the scenes and for the first time you're hearing details about her republican colleagues, about the republican party. and really, their cowardice is the word she uses in their support of donald trump. here's from one excerpt of the book. she said donald trump cannot succeed alone. he depends upon enablers and collaborators. every american should understand what his enablers in congress and the leadership of the republican party were willing to do to help trump seize power in the months after he lost the 2020 presidential election and what he continues to do to this day. jake, look, the book is unflinching. you great personal conversations republican meetings. there is a revelation about she was on, on january 4th, by accident, a white house, a trump surrogate's call, that she describes where she hears just the stark specific planning for january 6th. >> and she goes, you tell me particularly, after then house speaker kevin mccarthy and she said, he said he told her that trump knew he lost the 2020 election. and he knew early on. >> right. this is two days after the election. cheney writes that mccarthy told her that he had just spoken to trump and that mccarthy said, quote, he knows it's over. he just needs to go through all the stages of grief. cheney then writes it's her wry sense of humor that the stages of grief also apparently included tweeting in this all cap letters. but there's another stunning anecdote about kevin mccarthy. we all remember the photograph when just three weeks after january 6th there it is, kevin mccarthy goes running down to mar-a-lago. he's afraid he can't raise money anymore -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt but this is a lifeline, everyone thought the republican party was going to rid itself of donald trump, everyone that spoke negatively about him. but then mccarthy does this and it's basically phoenix from the ashes donald trump is renewed. >> correct. and nobody knows this trip is happening. and cheney writes when she saw that photo she thought it was a fake. and then she confronts kevin mccarthy about it and she writes, get ready, cheney, mar-a-lago? what the hell, kevin? kevin mccarthy, they're really worried. trump's not eating so they asked me to come see him. cheney: what? you went to mar-a-lago because trump's not eating? this mcca-- mccarthy. >> yeah he's really depressed. she talked about other republicans were angry and disgusted that mccarthy had gone running back to trump and there's a text going around and she writes that her republican colleagues, quote, some mocked him, circulating that trump/mccarthy photo along with, get ready, the clip from the movie jerry mcgwire where tom cruise tells rene zel wigger, you complete me. >> we're learning about the new house speaker, mike johnson, tell me about that. >> when cheney was writing this book, she did not know that mike johnson was going to be the next speaker of the house. >> he was in leadership but nobody knew he was going to be speaker any time soon. >> what she writes is now critical because cheshe lays ou specifically, the important role he was playing behind the scenes enabling trump. he was pressuring members, specifically freshmen members, to support trump in all of this. there were also details about her former relationship with nancy pelosi, two people who could not be further apart politically about how pelosi appointed her to the january 6th committee. what it was like. cheney writes she felt like she was from another planet but she also said that pelosi also backed her up. the back story of the two of them and also that she was immediately impressed with pelosi's leadership throughout. one story here about a republican colleague that i think goes to the names names. there's an extraordinary scene on january 6th that she recounts where republican members are sort of being asked to sign these sheets for electoral vote objections. and she writes about congressman mike green of tennessee and he's signing and she hears him, as he moved down the line signing his name to the pieces of paper, green said, sheepishly to no one in particular, the things we do for the orange jesus. >> he called him the orange jesus? >> yes. >> not exactly a compliment. >> yes. >> cheney has said for a long time that she believes donald trump is dangerous. she sacrificed her political career, at least in the short term, to warn the country about him. what else is she willing to do about it? >> as she told you in that great interview you did a couple of weeks ago, she has not ruled out running for the white house herself. she has also said if trump is the republican nominee, she is out of the republican party. she says in the book she will do whatever it takes to make sure that trump never goes back to the white house. she thinks he is absolutely a danger to democracy. one quote from her conclusion she writes, quote, every one of us, republican, democrat, independent, must work and vote together to ensure that trump and those who have appeased, enabled, and collaborated with him are defeated. >> that's a lot of people. >> it's -- she thinks this has to be nonpartisan, that the checks and balances of our system will not hold if there is a second trump term. >> fascinating stuff. we need to talk more about this, jamie. stick around. coming up, is anyone listening to the warnings from liz cheney? anyone in the republican party. does she have persuadable power? we're going to get into that next. stay with us. we're continuing with our politics lead and the exclusive look at liz cheney's pending new memoir "oath and honor" that comes out next week. jamie is back with us and also is chris wallace, host of the chris wallace show on cnn and who's talking with chris wallace. that's a lot of shows. >> and you know who's anchoring them. they both have your name in them. >> even if trump loses in had 2024 and liz cheney does not formally leave the republican party she's going farther than she's gone before in this book. >> yeah. she's taking receipts here and telling about inside conversations. i can't say there's a single one you don't go i don't believe that. i love the story in the book that you have an excerpt from, jamie where cheney says mccarthy said to her, i talked to trump, he knows he lost. and then he goes on fox that night and won the election. this is not the most reliable source of what's going on. i agree with something you said earlier, which is you cannot overstate the january 28th meeting at mar-a-lago because there was a real question at that point was the republican establishment going to stand by donald trump or not? and remember, this is before the impeachment, people like madison mogen people like mitch mcconnell are saying i don't know what i'm going to do, this is unacceptable. mccarthy himself said trump bore responsibility. >> so did mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy. >> yeah. then he goes down there and that's a statement we're still tied to this guy. >> what of the revelations in the book. i love the one of mccarthy he had to go down to mar-a-lago because donald was depressed and not eating. >> not eating. >> first of all that alone i find surprising. just because he's a man with a healthy appetite i don't mean it disparaging. but that he would try to peddle it to liz cheney. what is the surprise to you? >> it's the number of stovries like that, the hypocrisy, duplicity. all these things are said in private and thiney're mocking trump and saying we need to do this one last thing, he's not eating -- >> what i do for the orange jesus. >> what i do -- >> i'm going to contest the electoral vote but i'm going -- but i don't believe it. >> i thought congressman mark green was a true believer, but he called trump the orange jesus according to liz cheney, that's surprising to me. >> and sitting there literally putting his name on objections to the counting the electoral vote in specific states. >> the things we do. that summarizes all of it. i also think -- look, she has, throughout the book, she talks about mitch mcconnell, how at first he told her that, you know, he was in favor of the impeachment. and she watches his evolution and then pulling back. so i think it's this notion that they were all in the right place for about 15 minutes. and then they all went running back to trump. >> i remember, the senate came very close to convicting trump, what was it 57? >> 57, i was looking at that actually today, they needed 67. so they were ten shy. >> okay. >> but still, 57. that gives you an indication of how much even republicans had turned on trump. and that just seemed like a different universe than where we are today. >> and the speaker johnson revelation. the idea that -- what does she mainly say about him? that johnson was very easily buttered up by praise from trump. >> he said he seemed -- he wanted trump's flattery. but i think the important part about johnson is there really is chapter and verse in here about the role he was playing at the time. and you have to take from that her clear concern that we get to 2024, if the republicans are still in charge of the house, if he is still speaker, this is someone who will do what donald trump wants him to do. >> but the bottom line to me is the first thing that you said, which is -- and a lot of people say it, liz cheney isn't alone. which is that she very much worries whether the system set up by the founders in the 1770s, the checks and balances, the co ko constitution, whether it will rehold if trump is re-elected with the attitude he has now, i ain't worried about the establishment. i have people like jim mattis that he is -- it's the retribution tour as he calls it. >> adam kinzinger said to me one time you are driving down the road and you see the guardrail smashed and dented, that's fine because it saved the person who hit it but what about next time someone hits the guardrail? >> that's her concern. >> don't forget, you can watch "the chris wallace show" saturday mornings at 10:00 eastern -- and his other show. >> are you calling me -- no i'm promoting your shows. it's "who's talking to chris wallace" streaming on max. you can also watch "the lead" here on max. next here on cnn, the new offers to president biden's son hunter. stay with us. in our politics lead, hunter biden, the president's son who is the subject of an investigation led by republicans in the house oversight committee, as well as a federal investigation, said today that he is willing to answer lawmakers' questions with this stipulation, that he gets to testify in public and not behind closed doors. manu raju is live on capitol hill. why does hunter biden want to testify in public? and i would assume, the house republicans would be keen to accept the offer. >> yeah. house republicans have been demanding all year hunter biden's testimony, they issued that subpoena last month. that called for his testimony in a private deposition. behind closed doors. hunter biden's team is saying he will testify, but in public. the reason they say, if not, they argue his testimony will be leaked and distorted. in the views of his lawyers, they say this. we've seen you use closed-door sessions to manipulate and misinform the public. we therefore want to open the door if they are important issues that americans should know about, then let the light shine on these proceedings. now, the house republicans are not going for this. both house oversight chairman james comer as well as jim jordan saying he must come before closed doors and then consider having an open-door hearing. he said hunter biden is trying the play by his own rules instead of following the rules of everyone else. that won't stand with house republicans. our lawfully issued subpoena to hunter biden requires him to appear for a deposition on december 13th. we require that but also agree that hunter biden should have the opportunity to testify in a public setting at a future date. as you know, this is all part of republican impeachment inquiry into joe biden, trying to draw a link between hunter biden's business activities and joe biden's actions as vice president. they do not have proof for tying the two together. they are hoping that they can reveal something in this closed door and potentially public testimony. we'll see if it gets to this point or if the stand-off will persist. >> how are house democrats reacting? >> they're pushing back and siding with the hunter biden attorneys. jamie raskin, the top democrat on house overseat committee said, let me get this straight. after wailing and moaning for ten months about hunter biden and the vast unproven family conspiracy, chairman comber and republicans now reject his offer to appear in public. so democrats are siding with hunter biden. the question is, what's next? >> all right. thanks. as hamas releases a new set of hostages today, what the biden administration is telling israel ahead of the pause in fighting possibly ending, and the next phase of the war recommencing. stay with us. first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. moment ago newly released israeli hostages just reached a hospital in tel aviv. among them are ten israelis and two thai nationals. they were freed today. no americans. no americans were released today as had been hoped. and those left behind include the youngest israeli hostage, 10 months old. he was kidnapped october 7th alongside his 4-year-old brother. a cousin told cnn this today. >> they had to go through gunshots and shouting and blood in the street. this is the reality they had to go through. now 53 days, they are going through this nightmare. and it doesn't make any sense. are these the enem

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