♪ ♪ happening now. ivanka trump under oath testifying in the civil fraud trial against the trump organization. we have a new update on what she just said on the stand. when it comes to abortion rights, the message from voters after last night, can you hear me now? the seventh consecutive election were attempts to further restrict abortion access since the supreme court stepped in. >> tonight we're down to five, five republican presidential candidates will face off on the debate stage in miami. trump, the front-runner skipping out once again to take the spotlight elsewhere just down the street, by the way. i'm sara sidner with kate bolduan and john berman. this is "cnn news central." ♪ ♪ all right. happening now at this moment, ivanka trump is on the witness stand in a new york courtroom. she's been there for nearly an hour or so testifying in the civil fraud trial against her father and the family business. she is no longer a defendant herself in this case, but she is clearly important to the state's case, as she is their final witness. we have new information about what she is being asked and what she is answering and let's get right to cnn's chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid. what is happening now, paula? >> so far this appearance has been quite a contrast to her father's appearance on the witness stand earlier this week which was quite combative and chaotic. the questions have focused on her time at the trump organization. she left the family business in 2017 when she went to the white house, but the government has been asking her questions about specific projections that she worked on while she was there. they've been focused, for example, on the old post office building here in washington, d.c., which was converted into a hotel. it was a project that she worked on and she said that yeah, she did profit from its eventual sale in 2022. she did not disclose how much she made. we previously reported it was around $4 million, and they've asking her about other projects like the doral resort and spa down in florida and they are especially interested how financing was secured for these properties. her role in that because it gets to the heart of the case and specifically loans that were received from deutsche bank and she's loans had quite favorable terms. they were granted those kinds of loans, based on trump's purported net worth and that gets to the heart of this case. the allegation that he did not accurately represent the value of his assets to get more favorable terms on loans and the insurance companies. so it was a part of the questioning and it has been selfized and technical and that's pretty much when we expecteded from this witness. ivanka is no longer a co-defendant in this case, but the attorney general's office has been seeking to secure her testimonial though she's tried several different times to get out of this appearance before today's proceedings got under way and the attorney general addressed cameras to talk about why they wanted to hear from ivanka. let's take a listen. >> we uncovered the scheme and she benefited from it personally, and miss trump will do all that she can to try to separate herself from this corporation and she's ine trickably tied to the trump organization and to these properties that she helped secure financing for so you cannot hide from the truth, and the facts will belie the truth and the evidence. >>. >> no cameras in the courtroom while ivanka is tough, but we have our colleagues in the courtroom giving us live updates about what she says. she is expected to be the prosecution's last witness in this case. >> all right. keep us posted and she is on the stand right now and as this testimony develops, paula reed, thank you. >> let's continue this conversation with former assistant special watergate prosecutor nick akerman and he's u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. okay. we watched ivanka trump walk in like she owned the place. she's now on the stand, a very different moment. most people get very nervous when sitting there and having to be questioned under oath. i am curious she is the fourth member of the trump family to testify. what are they going to try to get out of her because in this case, she was taken out of this case as a defendant. >> she does add some important elements here. for example, she was the principal person of the trump organization that was turned into that hotel that donald trump used to house various foreign diplomats to get lots of money for himself while he was president, but what she did was in negotiating with deutsche bank for the loan, a $170 million loan, it was very clear that deutsche bank wanted personal financial statements from donald trump. not only to make the $170 million loan, but to keep it going all of those years, and the reason is obvious. donald trump filed for bankruptcy six different times, and what it does is it undercuts his testimony last week that the banks really didn't care. they clearly cared and if the ag is careful they will delineate all of these conversations about how important those financial statements were to getting that $170 million loan. >> can you give us the overview of what hangs in the balance here in we are hearing these details and you're seeing family members come up and you're seeing the contention between donald trump and the judge, his lawyer and the judge and this is over money. >> lots of mono. at least $50 million the a.g. is trying to receive and basically at this point, donald trump is toast. he is going to basically found to be a liar by the judge here, but what people haven't focused on is not just his testimony last week, but it is also the testimony he gave in his deposition where he took the fifth amendment over 400 times. what does it mean to take the fifth amendment? it means that you are refusing to answer a question because a truthful answer would tend to be incriminating. then what did donald trump do last week? he went into court and said i didn't do anything fraudulent. i wasn't involved in a fraud which is just the opposite of, in effect, he was saying when he took the fifth amendment in his deposition. so you've got contradictory testimony. you can use his assertion of the fifth amendment against him to basically find that he's lying, that he's manipulating the system when he goes in and refuses to answer questions and answers the questions in a half-baked manner. i just don't see how this judge at the the end of the day is not going to found that with respect to donald trump, liar, liar, pants on fire. >> i knew you were going to say that and this is where we are going to end it here. we are going back to elementary school and it is elemental that you either are telling the truth or not on the stand and everyone has the right to plead the fifth and this is a civil trial and not a criminal trial and that could get you in trouble in a civil trial as opposed to a criminal trial. >> i have been practicing civil law for well over 40 years and i've had a number of defendants take the fifth amendment. i have never seen anybody do such a stupid move as to suddenly start testifying after you've taken the fifth. >> very unusual move. nick akerman, thank you. always good to see you. >> hold the house and flip the senate. that was the rallying chant and wish coming from virginia's republican governor leading up to last night. so now that the results are in, what's the message that virginia voters are sending back to that popular republican governor? democrats winning control of both the house and the senate there. voters offered up another big message in ohio last night voting to solidify the constitutional right to abortion access in that state even in areas where trump has won handling in a state that has voted for trump twice. let's get to virginia, jessica, abortion is what we talked about yesterday, not on the ballot in virginia, but it was an issue. what are you hearing there today after last night? >>s can as you can imagine, kate, demeanor democrats in shirj shirj are thrilled about how they were able to flip the house and effect ofly ride provide a block cade to governor glenn youngkin's trifecta overstate government and so they're very happy and the question is what happens to governor glenn youngkin? who is this rising star in the republican party who is conservative, but not quite maga and this was a test run for so much of his agenda, his message. he was not on the ballot as you mentioned and he did go all over the commonwealth of virginia selling his message and pitching himself to voters in a way saying if you just give me full republican control and vote for these republican can ats we can enact my agenda and one part of that was this 15-week ban with exception for rape, incest and life of the mother. he really sees that and pitched that as a bit of a compromise that the 15-week ban wouldn't go as far as the heartbeat bills as in iowa. kate, what was very interesting about last night is that voters here in virginia rejected that and they didn't want the compromise and abortion continues to be such a strong issue with democrats and that's when we turn our attention to ohio. you mentioned what happened in ohio, a state that twice voted for trump and still considered a red state and yet voted to enshrine the right to an abortion in the state's constitution and that is where democrats are turning their eyes today and it is also where the republicans are turning their eyes which is the issue of abortion which continues to juice democratic turnouts in states where you wouldn't necessarily expect it. this is ohio being latest in a number of states that have looked at this. now we look to 2024 and how that will play in that race and that is how people in both parties are focused on. kate? >> good to see you, thank you. as jessica is talking about virginia and ohio. later this hour joining us in the show will be the democratic governor of kentucky. andy beshear who just locked in a very big victory last night in his election and that deep red state and a new conversation with them. john? >> why are these people smiling? it is debate day in america. five now republican hopefuls on stage in miami tonight is an alternative to donald trump emerging? new reporting on where things stand for a proposal to pause the fighting in gaza and a brand-new new york times investigation detailing the devastating toll and heavy artillery battle are taking on u.s. troops after they come home. tonight, dueling republican events in florida. five republican presidential candidates are right now preparing for the bright lights once again in the third primary debate that will be held in miami. at the same time donald trump is preparing to thumb his nose at all of them, holding a rally of his own effectively down road. kristen holmes is in hialeah where donald trump will be holding this event tonight. what are you hearing about what trump's going to do tonight? >> yeah, look, donald trump wants a show that will directly compete with the gop debate or overshadow it and his team is trying to deliver that, and that's why they chose this location in hialeah just down the street from where the debate will be held. i've also been told that several vips who would normally go to the debate would go to this event, instead. sarah huckabee sanders will be on stage endorsing him and some of them which previously supported ron desantis and a lot of this is trolling by donald trump and his team. they are angry with the rnc. they have call for the rnc to stop hosting these debates because donald trump has such a commanding lead and one thing they will point out here is that donald trump does have a demanding lead in the polls and if he is to become the nominee he will have to work with the rnc as any nominee would to get help from the general election because of that infrastructure. the interesting way that they're dealing with this now when down the road they do believe they're going to be the nominee and they do believe they'll have to work with the rnc. >> with that in mind, do you think there's any chance at all that donald trump will join any of the later debates? >> i asked an adviser yesterday and they said that our position is that we're not doing any debates until we do a debate. that speak basically means trump will decide whenever trump decides if he wants to do a debate, but everything that i've heard is right now he likes this pattern that he's on of not actually participating in these debates. >> it's like a new form of the funny thing we always laugh about any politician says they're not running until they are running. it's the new form of that. it's good to see you, kristen. thanks so much. john? sometimes news central co-anchor david chalian. what is different about tonight's debate? in addition to the fact and besides the fact there are fewer candidates, how has the race changed? >> i'm not sure that the overall contours of the race has changed, but the environment around the race has changed, john. one thing that is different tonight is the news environment. the israel-hamas war is going to be a central issue here and increasing the time spent on foreign policy for the candidates. we haven't gotten a ton of that in previous debates and we've gotten some of it, and that's one difference here and the other difference is time, right? we are now 68 days, i think, away from the iowa caucuses. so time is running short here for the candidates to actually be executing on their goals to success if they're going to try and stop donald trump from just storming out of the gate and making his path to the nomination without much struggle. >> and each of the first two debates, former south carolina governor nikki haley has seemed to improve her position to the point now where she is arguably in second place, if not tied in second place with florida governor ron desantis. so what do you see her doing, david? punching up at donald trump or punching sideways or down at ron desantis. >> she knows she loves to kick sideways, in the past when she takes on incoming. i think you should pay attention to the center of that stage and how desantis and haley deal with their position as this battle for second place. they have been sort of out on the campaign trail or their super pac supporting them have been launching ads and message points, contrasting with the other and going after the other and let's see if they bring that directly to the stage. neither of them have seemed to shy away from that and certainly not nikki haley. she seems to relish the fight when it's there for her to take, but i think that you will see her do both, john. i think you will see her explain why she doesn't think donald trump is the right candidate for the republican party and that she is and take him on that way and no doubt you will see her take on ron desantis on policy. >> what do you think that ron desantis could do differently than he has in the past? because he has not improved his position either in the debates or overall in the polls? >> yeah. what's amazing is when you look at the makeup of his coalition and the polling, there is a lot of overlap with what would be trump's universe and coalition, as well. that coalition is with trump and it's 61% nationally and he is far, far ahead, but desantis has got to start taking some of that vote share away. more so, i think, than nikki haley who is building a different coalition and they'll need some of his support and ron desantis has to show and really make the play for it's time to abandon donald trump, republicans and come my way. it's not an argument as you've noted that has been successful to date for him. >> no. it's not an argument that he has really leaned into trying to make as directly as you just stated it there. david chalian. great to have you on. sara? >> ahead, a deep red state re-elects a democratic governor. we are speaking with kentucky governor andy beshear. you will hear from him and kate bolduan next. also in gaza, thousands of civilians have fled mostly on foot south as g7 diplomats are calling for humanitarian pauses, but not a cease fire in israel's war with hamas. we'll have more details on that ahead. one of the races that folks are watching most closely last night was the race in kentucky. andy beshear was facing a serious and well-funded challenge from daniel cameron. beshear won locking in a second term and he remained the only in elected state office in that state. here he was last night. >> tonight, kentucky made a choice. [ cheers and applause ] a choice to not move to the right or to the left, but to move forward for every single family. [ cheers and applause ] >> and joining us now for the first tv interview today after the big win last night, governor andy beshear and first lady beshear. said to you during the break this is the first time you joined us and we're not talking about a pandemic or natural disaster that hit your state which speaks to the wild road that you have faced in your term. what do you take from your win last night? >> we've been through a lot in kentucky, from a pandemic to tornadoes, flooding wind storms, ice storms yet we're sitting here today more optimistic and excited about our future than at any point in my lifetime. number two in per capita economic development in the country having brought more for private sector investment in expanding healthcare all across the state. it's an exciting time to be a kentuckyian, they voted for a better future. they pushed out the division and the noise and they simply said, you know, who has a record and who's going to work every day to make my life better for my family? >> first lady beshear, you have been right alongside your husband, your family has throughout. what really became a tough, tough campaign, a tough election cycle, well-funded challenger in daniel cameron. what did this tough election tell you about the political climate right now? >> it's tough. i think that the political climate in our country is extremely divisive and what kentucky voters see in andy is that, as he likes to say, it's not about the right or the left, but it's moving forward and for us that's what matters. it matters that kentucky families have food on the table, that their children can have an education and health care, and i think that the empathy that andy has shown each and every kentuckyian and that each and every kentuckian matters shows the politics of divisiveness and hatred do not have a place in the governor's office in kentucky. >> governor, when you hear people say that your re-election and the way you ran your campaign provides a blueprint for how democrats should being elsewhere and across the country. do you agree? >> i think our blueprint was as simple as show up, get results and care about everybody and don't get distracted by whatever the issue of the day is in washington, d.c. when people wake up in the morning they don't think about president biden or president trump. they think about do they have a good enough job? can they afford to take their kids or parents to the doctor when they're sick? do they feel safe in their community and can their kids get a good education and is the road they drive on to work safe and does it need repairs? those are the things that impact everybody's daily lives and i hope that not just democrat, but republicans and independents go there. you know, you have in of trying to demonize groups of people of driving a wedge between people of the attacks and the anger. how about we all talk about how to improve people's lives and then the electorate can decide who has the better plan or the better ideas or who they trust more to move them forward. >> governor, i think the control room told me you spoke with president biden at some point after the big victory last night. what is your advice that you would offer president biden, his campaign? i know you'll say you're not going to offer a president advice, but for any democratic campaign who wants to build off a big win like yours in a red state, what should they take from it? what can the biden campaign take when they're facing tough poll numbers right now. >> i think you have to care about everyone. the golden rule that says you love your neighbor as yourself and the parable of the good samaritan and everyone is your neighbor, no exceptions and the way that we governed and i think people responded to it last night is there aren't red counties and blue counties. they're just kentucky counties with our families. i believe that everyone should have more than a message. their why? [ no audio ] >> ideas that better everyone's life, and i believe people can see that. they can see whether you are authentic and whether you truly care or whether you will give it everything that you've got. i know that there are different issues out there that may be driving people right now, but at the end of the day they want somebody they trust, that cares about them and that is going to work as hard as it can, and it doesn't have to be more complicated than that. they want someone that again, is going to try every single day to make their life just a little bit better. >> looking at the politics, looking at the map and the poll numbers ahead in 2024, do you think you won, governor, because you have joe biden in the white house right now or in spite of biden being in the white house right now when he's struggling in polling in battleground states? >> my opponent certainly tried to make this race about joe biden, and it didn't work. these races, especially governors races, are so state-centered and specific because your job is to get things done. you know, washington, d.c., they seem to think that the signing in the rose garden is the end. it's not even the beginning. even the bipartisan infrastructure law which is so important, so critical, it's helping us build the corridor bridge that is between since natty and northern kentucky and one of the biggest infrastructure projects. >> the number of years i heard about that one. >> it was great. [ no audio ] so i believe that my opponent's attempts to rationalize this race backfired because it warrant talking about what he wanted to do as governor. so any time you want to bring in the wedge issues or try to make it about something else you are missing your chance to talk to voters about what you would do. >> since you barely slept last night and just wrapped up one election it's the perfect opportunity to talk about the next election. two questions in rapid fire. would you consider jumping in as a late-stage democratic candidate for president in 2024 as the chattering class has discussed? >> absolutely not. we just got through this. our kids are happy. our son just started high school. our daughter is in eighth grade. they mean the world to me and if they're happy i'm sitting right here with them. >> secondly, when you hear the not so quiet whispers of beshear 2028 for a presidential run. you say what? >> well, it's kind and it's flattering, but my job is to be the best governor that i can be. i mean, every day now that i have left as governor is special. i think about the things that we've done. we're building the two biggest battery plants on planet earth and the big of the investments we've ever seen and our economy is totally changing for the better and for someone who is from the state and who loves this state, being at this sam noll seminole moment that we can change things for future generations, we can rebuild the towns that were hit by tornados and flooding and we're off to a great start and this election means that i can ultimately fulfill that promise of rebuilding every home and every life and that's a promise i intent to keep. >> first lady, you have been central in those efforts to rebuild. thank you both very much for coming on with me today. we'll talk soon. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. john? >> when i heard there was no to 2024 and as for 2028, stay tuned. >> i mean, so you say there's a chance? >> all right. we have a new update on what ivanka trump is saying on the witness stand. what has the state drawn out of her? she just left the courtroom for a quick break and we may hear from her shortly and from m israrael, a new w possible p pa the fight.t. earlier today thousands of people fled gaza through an evacuation corridor. they were walking with what they managed to carry and most carrying very little and sometimes just carrying their children. the five-hour window was set up by israeli military forces, but it is now closed. meanwhile, secretary of state antony blinken maintained the white house's position that israeli forces should not re-occupy gaza after the incursion with hamas ends, but he added that there may need to be some time for a transition period at the end of the conflict. salma abdelaziz joins us from london. you've been covering this from the beginning and what's happening in gaza. give us a sense of what that might mean, this whole transition period at the end of the conflict. >> i think that's extremely vague, sara. the first question that comes to mind is transition to what? hamas is the government of gaza, what comes after that? you're also hearing this debate about cease-fire, cessation of hostilities, a pause, the u.s. calling for a pause and something the rights groups, the u.n. and civilians on the ground are of course, begging and pleading for the secretary-general saying that what we're seeing inside gaza is no longer a humanitarian crisis, but a crisis of humanity. some 2 million people cut off from food and water as they are bombed and besieged for over a month now. i want you to take a listen to how john kirby put it to our kate just a short time ago. >> we believe that there has to be space and opportunity for multiple pauses in the fighting to allow for aid to get in and people to get out and to do so safely and efficiently, again, both in and out. so this is what we're talking about with our israeli counterparts and what we're talking about with partners on the ground and we'll keep pushing for that. >> the u.s. might keep pushing for that, but so far on the israeli side there seems to be a great deal of reluctance. israeli forces are insistent that any pause in the fighting will only allow hamas to regroup, to gather themselves again. they have refused these calls and ignored these calls for a pause time and time again. meanwhile, israeli troops are in the heart of gaza city. the israeli defense minister essentially declaring the whole of gaza city a legitimate target saying it is a huge hamas space. we've also seen these evacuations today, sara, some 15,000 people the u.n. estimates just today evacuating and evacuating without a pause meaning leaving under bombardment and under siege. >> it's terrifying for the civilians there. >> salma abdelaziz thank you for your reporting on what is happening there at the gaza strip. john? >> a new york times investigation highlights the devastating poll heavy artillery battles take on u.s. troops even after they come home and what the white house is saying about democratic insiders about the new tough round of polling, but also about democratic victories overnight. a secret war and secret new wounds. around 2016 the u.s. made a strategic shift in the fight against isis relying more on air strikes in a smaller footprint of troops pounding isis positions with a huge amount of powerful artillery. these crews were firing tens of thousands of high explosive shells, far more rounds than any american artillery battery had fired at least since the vietnam war, experts say. the strategy worked on the battlefield, but the impact on the marines appears to be devastating. this all comes from an investigation by "the new york times" just out which found this, let me read just a piece. many of the troops sent to bombard the islamic state in 2016 and 2017 returned to the united states plagued by nightmares, panic attacks, depression and in a few cases hallucinations. like lance corporal javier ortiz returning from syria in 2017 with the ghost of a dead girl appearing in his kitchen. she was pale and covered in chalky dust, staring at him with a glare as dark and orr tez was convinced the enemy had put a hex on him. then there's another marine, joshua james, the easy going young father returned from his mission as an alcoholic plagued by anxiety and headaches. in november 2022 on a road trip with husband family, james, with no warning, killed himself in the drive-thru of a fast food restaurant after an argument with his wife. the man who deployed never really came back, his wife tells "the new york times." he was a different person. he never understood what was happening to him. i don't think the army did either. joining us now is a reporter behind this investigation, dave phillips, military correspondent for "the new york times." thank you for coming in. your piece stopped me in my tracks. i found myself reading portions of it to several people. how did this come about? >> basically, i was contacted by a few marines and soldiers who were seeing all sorts of problems with the guys that they deployed with to syria and iraq. they couldn't understand it. they didn't know if it was ptsd something else. i got to tell you at first, i dblt either. and it was only after talking to dozens and dozens of these service members that i realized that the thing that was really remarkable about their deployment was that they had fired so many rounds. i'll say the military said that firing these types of rounds was supposed to be perfectly safe. but what we found over and over is guys were coming home with things that looked like brain injuries and repeatedly were having it misdiagnose d and missed. sometimes they were punished for falling apart while they were in uniform. >> which is one of the most painful parts. because they got -- i'm going to screw it up, but less than honorable discharge, they couldn't access is the help they needed so desperately. cnn reached out to the marines about your report. we haven't heard back from them. a spokesperson did say this week when asked about your investigation that he doesn't have anything immediate ly to provide. what have you heard from the military during the course of a reporting and also since your investigation has been p published? >> well, i haven't heard anything. which ises disappointing. but i have to tell you this is a really hard injury to spot and address. because it looks like so many different things. these are people who don't have any physical signs of injury, and yet, they have depression, they can't sleep. a lot of times they have explosive anger, irritability, things that are a wound of war, but also in the eyes of someone not repaired to recognize them, can be someone being bad at their job. so we found people who were suffering from brain injuries were instead treated as problems, punished for minor misconduct, kicked out of the military. when you're kicked out with a dishonorable discharge, you are cut off from veterans benefits. so the people who need this help the most, that this help is designed and intended for, in many cases, can't get it. and we found people who were home etc.less, literally living in their cars, dealing with the brain injuries because no one understood what had happened to them. >> you interviewed more than 40 veterans and their families in 16 states. this was the common theme as they could not get the help they needed. can you give me just the scope of what they felt in this constant fire, what was expected of them, what it did to them even in realtime, and then knowing that. do you think the military is turning its back on them or do they just have no idea what they are dealing with? >> fundamentally, this is just ignorance. these crews were firing day and night. literally exposed to thousands of blasts that are shooting through their brains at almost supersonic speeds. now at the time, they were feeling things that we might recognize as concussion. headaches, fatigue, nausea, irritability, sleep disturbance, but they were in a war zone sleep ing in fox holes eating crappy combat rations, and living in the dust. so they didn't know, hey, am i feeling all of this stuff because of the blast or because of the conditions? and remember, these are young soldiers and marines trained not to complain. uncle sam is telling them what they are doing is safe. so i think they trusted the military's experts. and when they came home, quite frankly, most of them could not understand why they couldn't sleep or feel like themselves or think straight. and some of them thought it was maybe ptsd, but they questioned that because they didn't feel their deployments were not traumatic enough to have ptsd. so they kept it to themselves a lot of times or hid it or got angry. there's a great deal of confusion, shame and just ignorance that caused almost everybody, even trained people who are medical experts that are supposed to recognize this stuff to miss it. >> that really comes through in your investigation. thank you for your work on this. thanks for coming on to talk about it. >> i really appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> it's an incredible piece. good on you for getting him on. >> really good. thank you so much for hanging out with us. this is "cnn news central." 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