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Anything we could do to help, wed be happy to help, thank you very much. You very much. To our viewers, Erin Burnett Out Front starts right now. Out front next, Breaking News, flash bangs heard up deadly maine shootings. Hundreds of officers from all over the United States along with the coast guard now hunting for the gunmen who is set to be armed and obviously dangerous. Well take you live on the ground. Plus, more Breaking News in tel aviv, the Israeli Military planning core raids in gaza, truly am this morning right now after they launched a biggest assault on gaza in ten years. The cnn exclusive, Michael Cohens forsyth since he became face to face with donald trump testifying against the former boss in court, what went on Behind The Scenes, lets go outfront. Good evening, welcome to a Special Edition of outfront. Im erin burnett live in tel aviv. Were following several breaking stories, of course in maine, loud blasts have been heard at the home of the gunmen who police say killed 18 innocent people. Here in israel, israeli troops are preparing to enter gaza again after what hours ago was the biggest incursion in the 25 mile long gaza strip in a decade. A Huge Development here in israel. But first, live pictures out of maine, where the intense manhunt for 40yearold robert card is hitting 24 hours. After the states deadliest Mass Shooting on record. Hundreds of officers, local, state and federal agencies are combing the largely rural area, by land, air, and see, according to police cards rampage started at seven pm eastern at a bowling at polley, minutes later a Second Attack at a restaurant, 18 innocent people were killed, murdered. 13 others are being treated for injuries. We have a new picture from the Central Maine Medical Center of doctors treating patients who were rushed into the hospital after the bashir ding. This hour it is a terror, residents in several times order to shelter in place, the College On Lock down out of the border canadian officials have issued an Armed And Dangerous alert to officers there. Tonight adding to the worries, Law Enforcement officials tell cnn that card is a certified Firearms Instructor and a member of the u. S. Army reserve. He said he struggled with his mental how, those Officials Say they he spent two weeks in a psychiatric facility after making statements about hearing voices. Nonetheless, he had the means to cal. A team of reporters are standing by, omar jimenez is upfront live, Josh Campbell is live working his sources, pamela brown and tom foreman are with us with every angle of this developing story covered at this hour. I want to begin with you, omar, youve been there covering the latest development and the man hunt as we now understand it. What is the very latest or learning on the ground there tonight . , while it was exactly 24 hours ago right now that the suspect whatever making his way to the location just behind me at this checkpoint, continue a Shooting Spree across multiple locations according to police. 24 hours later, this remains an active management, or following up on as many leads as they can we know there are fbi agents that address associated with the suspect. Senator Susan Collins of maine said there are around 80 fbi average agents assisting with the search, the coast guard is assisting with the surge from the air and from the water, all of them trying to get closer to finding this person. Police say they killed at least 18 people and shattered the lives tonight a multi agency manhunt is underway for the suspect and two Mass Shootings and maine. Im profoundly saddened to stand before you today, that 18 people lost their lives. 13 people injured in last nights attacks. Both incidents happen wednesday night in the town of lewiston. Multiple victims, identity every unit you can. Five state police say the first call came in at 6 56 pm reporting a man shooting at the just in time recreation that includes a bony all. Ing at 708 pm, Communication Center received multiple 911 calls about an active shooter inside schemengees bar angrily, alltime minute drive away from the Bowling Alley. Out of wilson, to active shooter locations, out of lewiston, active shooter, all available units to. Lewiston at 86 Police Released photos to the media. The victims of the just in time establishment, seven people are deceased there, one female and six males. Victims at the schemengees seven males inside the establishment, one male outside of the establishment. Three other victims were pronounced dead at local hospitals, one man at the Bowling Alley during the shooting says that he hid inside a bowling machine. I dont know where he came in, i heard a pot, i look ten, i looked down the lane and sled into where the pins are inclined up the machine that was on top, i was there until ten minutes until the cops sky there. Meghan touching tell cnn she was inside the Bowling Alley with her tenyearold daughter, so we, who was raised by a bullet, she was injured but not hospitalized. Its shocking, its something you think would never happen. I never thought i grow up and get a bullet in my leg. Why, why do people do this. At 9 26 pm, Lewiston Police received a call identifying the shooter as 40 year old robert card, former army reservist, by 9 56 pm investigators found cards car near a boat launch there a community of lisbon, where authorities are now actively searching for. Weve had everything from people calling about noises in basements, noises in the woods, suspicious people, of gunshots all night long since the incident in lewiston. We have our whole department working. An entire community is under lockdown being told to shelter in place. Its very unnerving right now seeing the cops coming around here, it makes me feel 1 million times better. And the situation like this i wish i had a firearm. Look, the sun has gone down into another night with the shooter still being out there. You drive across town, people are listening to the shelter in place orders that have been in effect. Restaurants, Convenience Stores that you think would be packed on a thursday night are completely empty or closed. Schools will continue to be closed into friday as well as continue to ask the question, when will this suspect because. Omar, thank you very much. Now lets go to Josh Campbell, hes been working the sources since the story josh, center of this what are you learning from your sources about what is going on Behind The Scenes in the search, its terrifying, this is a person that was willing to kill 18 people and a whole lot more who is on the loose right now. Who knows how much firepower . Authorities worry the suspect in contact at chanel violence if hes not found. Im told what is happening Behind The Scenes, the scene and unseen, the fury of Police Activity there, multiple agencies, and Behind The Scenes im told that Law Enforcement has set up a social Media Exploitation Team pouring over the suspects online accounts, trying to look for any information that about his intentions, china edited by any law against to help geolocating the whereabouts. And identify any potential associates that could be used that was witnesses. A lot of action taking place Behind The Scenes, its worth noting, erin, that our colleague reported that authorities recovered a firearm in the suspects vehicle. Theyre working to determine if that was the firearm that was used in this attack, we know this was an individual whos a Firearms Instructor and had multiple weapons. Even if it turns out to be the gun that was using the Mass Shooting, Authorities Say they continue to treat him as Armed And Dangerous, erin. Maybe dont know what you dont now. Josh, the man hunt is massive year. They are so worried that the top is clicking, you have Law Enforcement flooding the area and we heard omar talking about the look in the water, where his car was parked by the doc, what more can you tell us . A multitude of agencies, when you look at this list we have the state police in maine or leaving the investigation along with local Law Enforcement. There are other agencies with specialties in firearm analysis, with specialties and fugitive apprehension, the u. S. Coast guard is theyre searching the waterways to try identify the individual, and a host of other agencies from the department of Homeland Security all bringing resources to bear. Bringing the assistance as the manhunt continues into our 24, trying to find this person and get him off the streets, aaron. Its been exactly 24 hours on the run. He still far alluded Law Enforcement. Thank you very much, josh, lets go to former fbi Counter Terrorism Special Agent, tim clemente, and former fbi rob damico, thank you to both of you and weve spoken to you through the years. Obviously, with the boston bomber as well, tim, youre a former squad member, 24 hours and what are you doing right now if youre part of this manhunt . First of all, were being as careful as we cannot going as quickly as possible but utmost importance in a situation like this. This is an active shooter that hasnt been active for 24 hours but he is still a mass murderer. The fact that he is on the latest put anyone in the community in danger of where he might be. His willingness to go into a Bowling Alley and obliterate the place, kill as many people as a could, means theres probably no safe spot for anyone right now in that vicinity. Law enforcement needs to act as if hes standing in front of the target about to pull the trigger, they need to move quickly, they need to be as safe as they can, the population needs to be maintain their safety first. , robbery looking for him and do you read anything into the car at the boat dock . I do. I think most of it was planned beforehand. He probably went through this a number of times. There is a reason that that car was there. But it could be he had about, he had a car, he knew cars where there had keys left in it, there is a reason that that was there. The biggest thing is to determine did he get in another vehicle, did he go on foot, did he go by water, that really dictates how the man hunt will be. Time and space, does he have a vehicle, he could be further away, if you went on foot, it gets more dangerous, but you can use technology to help separate and try to detect him at a safer distance instead of putting Patrol Officers and teams compromised. Cam, what do you make of the fact that it appears that he had an exit plan . These incidents unfortunately are horrific in america, they happen which is unacceptable and yet real. He had an exit plan, what does that say to you . Well, erin, as weve covered in so many of these tragedies over the years, a lot of these situations and what the murderer committing suicide or suicide by cop. Its clear at least at the outset that that wasnt his immediate plan. It doesnt mean that he hasnt gone unchallenged shot himself ahead in the quarter, it may be the eventuality that we find in this case. The fact that he fled, didnt stay for a standoff with police, didnt Tell Him Self A Mediately on the scene, its happened so many times, it tells me has the will to live. We dont have a motive yet as to why he went into those places, that will to live means hell fight against Law Enforcement if he encounters them. Tim and rob, stay with me, i want to go to brian todd, hes near the home where card was loan to last the scene, a lot of activity it seems they returned to the home. Brian, we have issues with lighting here but you could see, tell us what youre seeing right now . Right, karen, the reason why you have issues with lighting is police have come into positions wearing almond told me to turn off our lights, or creating a dangerous situation for Law Enforcement if we had our lights on. Our lights are off, all step away from the camera, what weve just seen is multiple, multiple Law Enforcement vehicles coming up to the last known address of the suspect, robert card, its to the left aware the Flashing Lights are, between the two sets of Flashing Lights to the left, i know you cant see anything between those two, thats where it is, theres a lot of fbi and Law Enforcement evidence trucks that have pulled into here. Earlier are team witnessed the fbi and other Law Enforcement approach the house and use flashbacks to enter the house. That is standard procedure according to john miller and josh carroll we, Josh Campbell, its standard procedure at any cases where they try to approach a house and they are not sure whether the suspect might be in there or not. They use flash bags for the shock effect, the speed to get into the house. We after that they wear their processing staff, and then vehicles left and of course now they have just come back. That is what youre seeing. There is someone speaking on a loudspeaker, i cant make out what he is saying. My colleague said that he said, walk outside with your hand up. So, erin, thats what i can tell you what were witnessing right now. Lets keep these pictures up, brian, while youre with us if you can, tim, walk outside with your hands up, flash bangs, they think hes in there right now . They think hes somewhere right there, doesnt mean hes in the house, theyre moving to the left side as the reporter just stated might be that there is a wooded area or a shatters something. And its possible that they saw movement or heard something, theyre acting as if its him even though it may be a dog or another person, they need to treat it as if its Armed And Dangerous individual might be there. Brian, is there anything else that theyve said, i havent heard the loudspeaker again . Your underestimate . Im trying to make out what theyre saying, erin. One of the person said, under arrest, we also saw Law Enforcement personnel fanning into the field near his house to the left there before this unfolded. You can see that they got a spotlight on a window in the house, you can see that now. They have just said removing the camera over, i see that spotlight. Yeah. One person was heard saying, we dont want anyone else getting her. I see you zooming and. More watching this. [inaudible] i believe they called his name, erin. They said they knew he was inside. You are watching right now police in bowdoin, may, in the spotlight is on the house of the shooter, mr. Card, on the second floor window of the house they said youre under our russ, come out with your hands up and theyve spoken his name. Do you have any sense, brian, where youre standing right now, you said multiple, multiple Law Enforcement is there a ring of them, i know it start, they asked you to standing there in the dark. Any sense of how many there are . We dont really, erin, we know there were several vehicles. Im trying to make out what he is saying. Yes, yes. [inaudible] aaron, and they told him to walk outside. And asked if there was anyone else in there. Can somebody help me attach this . As were watching this, cam, anything stand out about how theyre handling this right now . I can see they have an Armored Vehicle, i imagine theyre using that for cover and the Police Armrests that arent in that Armored Vehicle are using the doors are Engine Blocks for cover, this guys got an ar, hes gotten affective range of 600 meters, theyre well within the range. They have an overwhelming firepower but it doesnt mean you cant harm one of them. Theyre obviously losing this to cover, calling him out rather than going in after him. This could end up being a long standoff where he make him up quickly, but i doubt very much that anyone will enter the building other than maybe using another Armored Vehicle to ram the structure we, thats the only way i see it briefing the situation. Rob, what do you see again, remind everyone what youre seeing, bleak darkness, the means to the police have asked the media to turn it off. Were listening. Ive had cases like this. They couldve seen something, sent a robot, something in that theyre not sure if its a person. Theyre gonna talk about like its a person until they can prove otherwise. Theyre not gonna go into the house, theres all kinds of reasons not to but theyre gonna start using technology, theyll use robots, fly drones in, its too dangerous right now to put everyone inside. Theyll keep talking to him, theyll have dialogue like he is listening and he is in there, even if hes not. But something cute him that they think a person or him isnt there. Theyre gonna keep talking to him, they have the time, theres no hostages that they know of that they risked their lives to do. Tom, is there any sense they wouldve used Something Like sensory technology, sorry, go ahead, brian . One thing we heard was, i heard an instruction come out, follow my instructions is about one of the Law Enforcement officer said. He mentioned something about a truck in the driveway, i believe he directed it toward walk out of the driveway, follow the instructions, thats the last thing that we heard but. [inaudible] erin, you hear the loudspeaker, yes, i could. Theyre saying anyone in the house, we dont want anyone to get hurt, we dont want to hurt anyone, please come out and walk to the front of the truck, we assume that we cant see the pickup truck or whatever truck is in the driveway. We assume there is one there of course. These were just more instructions for whoever is in that house. All right, brian, were watching this, tim, it sounds from what theyre saying, follow my instructions, truck in the driveway, the way that they are talking, it seems very sure that there is someone in there . Erin, as rob decide whether there is they need to treat it as if hes there and this is the suspect that they are talking to you. Any movement in the house could be a curtain blowing, anything that might lead them to believe that someone isnt there, they need to treat it as if it is an Armed And Dangerous aspect is the person there. It may be a Law Enforcement trunk of the driveway, theyre asking him to go towards the out, i doubt they have him go towards his own vehicle, theres a vehicle positioned in the driveway and they want him to move towards that, the instructions they will get have is, hands visible, up above your head, come out slowly, theyll have them turn around and walked backwards, lift up his shirt or jacket slowly with his left hand if hes right handed. Does it appear yesterday. And make sure he isnt carrying a weapon anywhere on him, make sure he doesnt have a suicide was having get on his knees or before they approach on while theyre still covering themselves from the another threat in the house or anyone near the house. Theyre gonna take this as rob said, very slowly, and theres no taking clock on this if there are no innocence that may be at risk directly around him other than Law Enforcement themself. Can you hear me . Yes, i can. All right, lets make out another command from the man in the loudspeaker. He said that the Person Inside should come out with nothing in their hands, he can guarantee their safety if they come out and walk to the front of the truck and follow instructions. Josh campbell, former fbi Special Agent, what do you see here, what are you hearing from your sources in this moment . We have a lot of questions because of this location, brians been there reporting, there was a report earlier that sounded like an explosion which couldve been flash bangs. Its curious because weve known about the address of this location for sometime. Presumably Law Enforcement would have as well, weve seen cases in the past where Flaunt Forsman has an address of a potential fugitive they will set up surveillance on the location whether its physical surveillance, electronic surveillance, just in case someone surfaces or they come back. It was curious that we heard the activity earlier today, we didnt see a flurry of Law Enforcement activity but now is brian has reported, theyre going so far as have media kill the lights in order to not illuminate, not put a spotlight on Police Officers and back light as theyre attempting to resolve whatever is taking place here. It shows up we dont know if they got a new piece of intelligence that the suspect maybe there, or i should note, this could be precautionary. Weve seen in this era where the fbi s. W. A. T. Teams have shifted somewhat, were used to these past dynamic injury is where they go in, they knock down a door if they have a warrant, that shifted in the last couple of years. Or an fbi squad to doing more with a call, call outs, which were seeing right now. If theyre not an urgent threat to life, and eminent threat to life to someone in the house, certainly, an innocent bystander, time is on their side, theyre seeing exactly what theyre doing and providing instruction. The key thing, erin, that Talking Islam when they know is in the house or this is precautionary to try to clear. Rob, its a matter of the loudspeaker. Go ahead, brian. Okay, the man on the megaphone sadly, realize this could be intimidating for you but we need you to come out with nothing in your hands, and send the hair, walk to the front of the track and follow the instruction. Rob, i know people are saying [inaudible] right, right, rob, is there a possibility they may indeed no isnt there not just because they saw but they have a heat sensor, they know theres a human being in there, is it possible that they have this information already . Theres Different Technology can use to see if there is a human type of thing. Also, they couldve had cellular data that if you still had his phone, something along those lines. Theres so many things, theyre gonna treat it like he is in there and theyre gonna get to a point where after a while, youll send a robot and maybe a dog, that would be after the robot, like i said you can get drones into the windows, and have night vision, and we can fly drones into the house so that we can look for somebody. There was one case where the subject took one shot and we all thought that he killed himself, he was laying on the floor like he had killed him self, it turns out he was alive and waiting to come in to ambush him. Brian, can you see any of the police, i know you said its hard because of the darkness, to censor state of alertness, readiness to give any kind of gauge of what might be about to happen era . You know, we can see the numbers, erin. We know we saw personnel fanning out, there was a field adjacent to the house, we assume that theyve surrounded at. One of the drones came down, it may or may not mean anything, we dont get a sense of the sheer numbers, its so pitch black, all we could see are the vehicles that are at the foot of the driveway and up the street a little bit. Again, theyre being very patient, very calm in their appeals to person or persons inside their. Tim clemente, as you look at this, this is obviously his house, they saw the car at the boat dock, its a place thats under total surveillance since it happened, if he is in their how do you think he got back in there . As rob said, he may have staged a vehicle, the vehicle was found in the river he got into a boat or went into the river, went to foot from there, he couldve had another vehicle or stolen a vehicle, donna carjacking, anything is possible at this point. And he couldve easily taken himself back to his residents and another alcohol, parked in a block away so it wouldnt be connected to him in any way, or to that location. He couldve gone back there to resupply, the fact that they are there again after having done a Search Warrant or something on the residents early with the flash blank. It tells me that they searched the residents and they didnt search every place, or they went and looking for evidence that may have supported his act, and then something alerted them to the fact that he may have returned after they were there, thats also a possibility he could have been hiding in the woods, they get a Search Warrant executed from the house, found evidence, left the residents when they were gone, return to the house then. Brian, i hear helicopter or is that a drone, i can see the light in your shot to. Yeah, there is a helicopter that is flying now nearby, crossing into the area where the personnel are, there are two drones that have been launched into the air, one of them is descending but, yeah, theyre both up and theyre both moving around. There does seem to be movement there but i, kindly dont want to read too much into it. It could be for their own positioning to see if they can get a look at anyone who may be narrow window or something. The chopper move past the area. Its interesting, erin, the person on the megaphone i would say every 20 to 30 seconds would say in appeal to the Person Inside. We havent heard the person on the megaphone for several minutes. And of course we dont know what that means. Josh, were looking at the spotlight that has steadily been on the one window of the house. We can see the drones, anyone watching the drones are those red dots, each of the drones are two red dots, one of them is invisible at least from my view of what were looking at. One of them, what do you see here, josh, when you see these drones going up at this is obviously happening in complete darkness now . Its so interesting, erin, weve been covering the man hunt over 24 hours, up into this point weve been discussing how the cover of darkness provides benefit to the suspect. Obviously, the man hunt went overnight making it difficult for Law Enforcement. We really start to see the resources come in, flatten earnest during the daylight as they were doing graded searches. If it turns out the individual is in this house, interestingly, it could shift the benefit now to Law Enforcement. There are a number of different ways that the fbi another tactical teams, and number of pieces of technology which i wont get into much detail, they can use to determine whether there is a person in their under the cover of darkness that allows authorities to get closer to that residents without being spotted. Weve been talking about since the reporting from last night, this is someone with tactical proficiency, a four far former Firearms Instructor, according to Law Enforcement sources its been a concern, even if they came across some somewhat that amount of accuracy could pose a deadly threat to those officers searching for an even from a distance. But here under the cover of darkness, allstate what we dont know, if there is someone in this house that turns out to be the case, we could start to see a shift, how the cover of darkness can benefit Law Enforcement. The final thing ill point out, erin, were seeing because its dark more limited in the number of Police Assets we can say. This is somewhat of a rural area. If police have, if theyre confident enough that theyve surrounded the area youre not gonna continue to see pouring resources in, a diminishing return, if they have the Perimeter Lockdown we may not see exactly what theyre doing as they make an approach, it appears the light may have gone out or maybe the shot there. Time is on their side if they believe this individual is in the house. All stipulate as we said before, it is not unusual for Law Enforcement if they get attempt that someone is in a location or this is precautionary. They still go through the same safety procedures to make a call out, even if there isnt a person in there. Theyre trying to go through all the steps to rule this out, no need to rush and if there isnt eminent nate danger. Brian, they did appear from the picture that you in the photojournalists team have taken the spotlight off of that window, is that the case . Yeah, erin, we believe they have, its hard to make out to be honest, they have shifted the spotlight, i can see something over there that looks like a spotlight, im not sure what it is. We actually, i can see the spotlight shifting right now, its on a tree, and it seems to be on part of the house, there is a chopper flying nearby and a drone. The drone is not airborne, now it is, its getting up there. But they have clearly shifted the spotlight, aaron. We dont know what that means. All right, were watching this, were obviously not going anywhere, casey jordan joins the conversation, a profile. Casey, you see this, the point thats made in clear here, they believe he may be in there, they may know for sure isnt there, they made to be doing this because its possibilities in there and they have a tap, but theyre not 100 percent sure. What is it say to you if he is indeed after all of this, evading laufman to 24 hours and imminent after he killed 18 people, willing to callum anymore, wouldve gone possibly back to his home which is what were looking at right now. Its fascinating to me, erin, that they are there now, 24 hours later, once they had the identity of the shooter yesterday they wouldve gone to that house. If he wouldve gotten inside, swept, it looked for him there. The idea that theyre back 24 hours later really may suggest that he returned there or perhaps he was hiding there and they didnt detect in the first time around. I have a hard time believing that. But were fascinated by the white suv that was left by the boat on because increasingly that could be a red herring. I heard a rumor thats family said his boat was missing, its almost like was he trying to make Law Enforcement think he had escaped in about, on down the river, gone to see, we have the coast guard surging, when in fact with the recent activity, air, and it looks like hes been hiding in plain sight. We do know it can mean nothing, it could be as someone suggested with this fantastic reporting, the shifting of a shadow, shutter of occurred and, theyre not going to stop until they ruled out every possibility that hes in there. As everyone pointed out, we have time on our side, unless they believe there is a living hostage inside there going to wait, continue making demands from whoevers inside to come outside, with their hands up, promise their safety is insured and guaranteed if they come out and cooperate. The shifting of the light, different windows to different places in the house, it makes me wonder if they do see some sign of activity inside. This is all unfolding in realtime, the psychology of the shooter is a big Question Mark of course because we learned today that a note had been left, we dont know the contents of the note, perhaps there was something in the know that they discovered that took them back to the house. So, again, everythings unfolding will know the motive if we get him alive. But we dont know for sure that he is in there, everything remains a big Question Mark and a big mystery. Tim, having been in the situation before and youve laid this out very clearly, now we see ouring anyone joining, this is right now a live shot, brian todd ands Photojournalist Team outside the home of robert card. The alleged shooter in maine, in lewiston, maine, but, in maine, surrounded by Law Enforcement theyve asked all the media to turn off the light. There had been a spotlight and theyve been speaking over come out with their hands up. We have not heard the loudspeaker, temin a few minutes. We have seen the spotlight which have been illuminating a window now turned off. Having been in these situations before can you piece together what could be happening . Sure, i, erin, disagree with one thing Josh Campbell side, we own the night, we the federal agency, the fbi have the technology to own the night. It may be that they turned off the spotlight because illuminated the window for the naked eye to see, but if theyre using night vision tech knowledgey, infrared, for something, drones on the vehicles are individual persons that are there, they can see more if the Natural Light isnt overwhelming them. It may be that there is movement they want to look forward, particularly with jones or a helicopter above. The fbi choppers have a great deal of technology, a lot of classified thats used for National Security cases. The technology could be a play right now and it gives Law Enforcement a tremendous advantage over any individual anywhere. We did hear helicopters, were seeing drowns, i, gannon as youre looking at the screen when you see each of them having to red dots. We saw for. Now that you can see the spotlight, thats the home on the left side of the screen, its partially illuminated below where the light is cutting off what some sort of shadow. Its the window that have been illuminated. Josh, as we look at this is there anything you can tell us about the type of drone and technology they could be using here . And what it could be telling them, sorry, tim, do you know anything about that . Im sorry, erin, i didnt hero the full question what technology theyre using . I was asking about the drone specifically, i was describing them to any watching, the drones are two red lights, we saw two drones, for red lights, i dont know where they are right now but what those drones may be equipped with are able to do . I am imagine they have cameras, most likely an Infrared Camera that can see in the dark. They may have other forward looking infrared, there is a vast array of Different Levels of infrared technology and thermal imagery that can be used, and used on a drone. It gives them the ability if they feel if the Spotlight Moves towards the trays, maybe theres Movement In The Woods where they heard something in the woods, the fact that they heard something maybe why theyre not speaking on the loudspeaker anymore, they want to be able to monitor the sounds in the woods more closely to see if there is movement there. Having infrared, thermal Imagery Technology allows them to reheat the source, it could be a suspect or an animal, the Temperature Imagery of a large animal, warm animal, and a human being are similar. The more advanced technology will be able to identify the personally more than a simple infrared image. Brian todd, i know youre standing outside the shot here in The Darkness Right by what of times since you last came to us. Im not able to say exactly how it has shifted, but it has shifted which could indicate several things. Maybe theyre looking at different areas of the house and trying to figure out if anyone is near any windows or anything like that. But it has been shifting from that original spotlight where they had it trained on the window. We could also tell you, the dialogue has completely stopped, im gonna guesstimate that we have under the word from the man on the loudspeaker, from close to 15 or 20 minutes. Casey, what is that signal to you, and to remind everyone what weve heard over the loudspeaker, conveyed to anyone that maybe inside the homeless, follow my instructions come to the truck outside the driveway, walk out, put your hands up in the air, we know this may be intimidating for you, you wont be heard if you come outside, those sorts of messages repeatedly. But its been as brian said about 15 minutes or so since we heard that lap last over the loudspeaker. Weve been waiting and watching with baited breath to see if someone comes out. Im not the expert on the strategy, youll have to go back to josh, tim, and rob on this, it does appear to me that they are shifting strategies or that they have shifted around the other side of the house to turn the lights off because they are trying to use a tactic to get inside oversee inside more clearly. They convey completely a means of sucking out who maybe inside by switching tactics, taking the spotlight outside the house, trying to make them relax and lower their guard a little bit for what could be the next stage of this. I do agree, theyre not gonna risk a life and limb to go crashing through the front door knowing a man with an ar15 maybe inside. Technology, time are on our side here, this could take hours, this could take hours. They do take everything that is happening and process it, analyze, that and come up with a next step. There is a textbook way of handling these things but its a bit like a flow chart as things happen, or dont happen, they may move on to another option or opportunity for what is the best strategy next. You need to think fast on your feet, you need to take on it all the variables, its quite amazing you get to witness this. It certainly is. Josh campbell, former fbi Special Agent reporting on this, josh, what are you learning right now . Were hearing from the Main Department of Public Safety spokesperson, theyre saying theyre not positive that robert cards in this house, theyre doing Due Diligence what weve been saying all along, theres no 100 indication that the suspect is there. If they got any type of indication through intelligence, or through some other means from an individual, witness, they can launch resources and short order. According to authorities in maine, theyre not positive that he is day, theyre doing their Due Diligence, its important to point out that weve been saying throughout the evening this area is some raw role, they have plenty of assets they can lodge in and around the area, all repeat what i was saying earlier about last night authorities who were there on the ground, they were analyzing this from afar, authorities on the ground were saying it was difficult for them in the evening when the suspect was on the run. If you get him located in a particular place like this, authorities have a lot more leeway in how they bring assets toward the residents. Theyre doing all of that Due Diligence right now, we saw the launching of drones, other technology that can easily move in to location. As i mentioned earlier, i was saying throughout the day since we had those flash bangs, dont read too much into that, Law Enforcement will take particular precautions, particularly weve seen incidences where they go to arrest someone, someone whos violent, someone who may have experienced a firearm proficiency, or incendiary devices to be on the lookout for that suspect. Or behind the traps for example, authorities are conservative in how they make the entry, it doesnt mean theres someone inside, the steps they need to go through. Final point here, time is on the side of the authorities we need to keep saying that, we need to know what this says, well see resolution there are not in a hurry right now theres a sense of endangerment, but we have no idea if thats the case, erin. They need to get it right, brian todd, that light that keeps going up in front of the house. Yes, the light is continuing to shift, erin, at one point that light or another spotlight pointed right at us, but then shifted back. Theyre making some adjustments here. There is movement on the ground but again, its very slow, methodical movement, dont want anyone to read anything into that movement. We cant reveal the specifics of it. Again, it seems to be methodical, they seem to be making adjustments here. Yes, we can see that. Were gonna take a very brief break as we watch this and unfold with brian todd. In bowdoin, maine, well be baback in a momoment. All right. You are looking live at obviously what appears to be a dark screen, but this is the home of robert card in bowdoin, maine. There has been a mass Law Enforcement presence surrounding that home. Obviously, hugely significant that after a statewide search, warnings all the way up in canada. Search for the coast guard and the water, they are now back around his home. They have been instructing anyone inside over a loud speaker to come out with their hands up. They have been given these instructions repeatedly. This all started two or three minutes past 7 00 eastern time. And then there is that red there is a drone going up. The instruction on a loudspeaker continued fobber 15 or 20 minutes, but we havent heard any of those since there had been a spotlight, but right now the house is not illuminated. It is in darkness. Brian todd is in this picture right on the side looking at this darkness. I know they had instructed all the media to turn off their lights, that this could interfere with any action of whats going on there. Brian, what are you seeing right snow. So, erin, we have Seen Movement of a vehicle. And i have to be very careful not to be specific about what weve seen that vehicle do. But again, i have to stress, it does not seem to be moving with urgency. A vehicle has moved. As you mentioned, the spotlight has been shifting. We dont see the spotlight trained on any particular thing, but there is some kind of an illumination of a tree or something next to the house. So there has been movement. There are air assets in the air. Buzzing around this area. And we dont want to give too many specifics about those either. They seem to be drones that are positioning themselves at various times. And thats what i can tell you right now. And again, i think a very important point to mention here is weve not heard dialogue from Law Enforcement officer on that loudspeaker who was trying to communicate with whoever was inside, maybe inside. We have not heard any dialogue, any commands, any pleas for probably more than 30 minutes now. Yes. And brian, as youre speaking, i want everyone to understand, it may have been jarring to some viewers that the shot seemed to change. You saw the lightness of the sky above the tree line. I just want to be clear, our Shimon Prokupecz is at a different angle, a Different Team look at the house. You can see the illumination of the tree. Thats probably shimons head there. Illumination of the tree, and back to where brian todd is standing much closer, as they are describing it. So, brian, you say the description right now is that there hasnt been any urgency in terms of the movement, but that that spotlight is still shifting. To remind anyone, tell anyone just joining, that spotlight had been on the actual house, which is right in the center of that darkness, illuminating very clearly one window. Thats right. And you got the impression when they had that window illuminated, erin, that they and at that same time, they were communicating with someone who could have been inside. They were giving commands and pleas and appeals for the person to come out with their hands in the air with nothing in their hands, saying they could guarantee their safety. They said they could understand this could be intimidating for them, but they needed to person to come out with nothing in their hands and walk to the front of a truck in the driveway and follow instructions. Those were some of the things that we heard a Law Enforcement officer on a loudspeaker say while that spotlight was trained on the front of the house. The spotlight, as you mentioned, have been shifting. Vehicles have been shifting. Air assets like drones have been moving around and positioning. You know, putting it all together, it just seems like they are trying to, number one, be patient with whatever theyre doing and not endanger anybody. But also, to possibly position assets so that they can get a better look or feel for what is inside that house. Pamela brown joins us now, our chief investigative correspondent. Pamela, what are you learning . Well, erin, my colleague evan perez is getting some information from Law Enforcement officials who says that investigators detected something inside or near the home which prompted the activity we are currently seeing. They dont know, you know, what or who it is in terms of what could be going on inside that home. But clearly, as weve been reporting, police were there earlier today. They have returned, and theyre very focused on the home right now. Theyre using all kinds of Different Technology, as weve been talking about, to try to sort out what could be going on. As youve been pointing out, erin, there is Technology Like heat sensor technology. They have robots. They have all sorts of tools at their disposal that theyre using right now at nightfall as they try to find the suspect. But according to my colleague evan perez, they did detect something inside or near the home. Of course, it is worth noting, though, as weve been talking, this home would also be under surveillance by Law Enforcement throughout the day. So it does raise the question of if the suspect is back in the home, how would that happen . We also are hearing from other officials that theyre just doing their Due Diligence, that they dont have any guarantees the suspect is inside the home, but theyre doing their Due Diligence. This hour, all we know, erin, is the suspect remains on the loose and not in custody of police. Right. And brian todd, just to emphasize, as we see the lights go on and off, this is his home. They have had a statewide search. So the fact that theyre returning to this, would to many seem unusual. It would almost seem the first place you would check and clear. Right, erin. We have to emphasize a few hours ago they were here and there were flashbangs, and they seem to have been approaching the house at least and trying to go inside and gather evidence. And then they very calmly left the scene. I can tell you now that im seeing other things shift, which youre probably viewing right now. There are other assets moving around. There is a vehicle moving im basically telling you, but i dont want to give too many more specifics than that. And the spotlight is again shifting. Okay. Now you see it. It is back on the front of the house. And we will of course keep a close eye on that to see if any more instructions come. All right. Brian todd. Now youre look a the light illuminating the house. Erin, this tracks with what weve been saying about how even if its precautionary, they still go through a series of motions in order to try to identify whether someone is there. Obviously the safety of the officers is key. I want to read you a short piece of information we just got, Additional Information from the Maine Department of Public Safety. What theyre saying is the announcements that weve been hearing, come out with your hands up, fbi, this official saying the announcements that are being heard over a loudspeaker are standard Search Warrant announcements when executing a warrant to ensure safety of all involved. So keying on that word, standard Search Warrant announcements, they continue to say it is not known whether robert card is in any of the homes that are currently being searched. Law enforcement doing their Due Diligence by tracking down every lead in an effort to locate him. So, again, what weve been saying, whether he is there or whether he is not, they go through the same process. Authorities going out of their way to say just because were seeing this, just because were hearing this doesnt mean he is there. Theyre following all these tips as this manhunt continues, not just where were looking at on our screen, but across this large area, erin. And tim, this is what youve been saying. They dont know whether he is there or not. What does that signify to you, that you would be putting this much into one specific spot. In the reality, of course, it is possible this individual is here or actually somewhere very far away. Well, erin, what i just saw the movement in brians camera image was a lbearcat Armored Vehicle. They control the armored market. That was a heavily armored personnel carrier. It has a Battering Ram attachment on the front you saw stick out from the front of the vehicle. It also has a Gas Injection Device that allows them to puncture through the outside of the structure, insert gas into the building, and my guess would be thats the next step. There is a possibility he is in there, they want to control him. Theyre giving him the opportunity to come out. He didnt take advantage of that opportunity. Now rather than breaching the building, they will breach the building and inject cs gas into the building, forcing him to come out. If he is in there, hell come out one way or another, or he will die inside there. But i think thats what their next move is. That is incredible to watch, as you point at that vehicle to the right of your screen, the one tim is referring to with the Battering Ram on the front