environment and -- fact checks or whatever. so there's cameras, there's physical presence. once this detonation -- once the shooting happens. and remember, we are talking serious premeditation. he appears to be addressed and there's some sort of smoke bomb. we don't know exactly what it is. basically, right now, you want to save the lives you can -- [ inaudible ] -- for the second bomb. and then [ inaudible ] -- >> we're having some issues with the connections, juliette kayyem. let me, as we fix that, bring andrew mccabe into the conversation. andy, 8:30 this morning is when the fire department sporesponde. we're talking three and a half hours later plus a few minutes. between now and then, what are your questions as we wait to hear? >> well, john, you know we had a big development in our understanding of this story when we heard from those witnesses who indicated that the shooting and the deployment of the smoke

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