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up their campaigns out across the country. let's take you through some of todays key events: rishi sunak and sir keir starmer go head—to—head in their second live tv debate later facing questions from voters on sky news in grimsby this evening. will either man change tack, or will it be more of the same? we'll be discussing all of that during the course of the day. and the green party launches its manifesto promising to raise taxes on higher earners and the wealthy to help fund 50 billion a yearfor the nhs and social care. also today: the cost of living is always important, and we've just had figures out this morning showing that the uk economy failed to grow in april after particularly wet weather affected consumer spending. the office for national statistics recorded no growth for the month, which was in line with economists�* expectations. nevertheless it will be disappointing for the conservatives. here is hannah minna. the green party are pledging to mend what i call broken britain by increasing taxes on higher earners and the wealthy. the promises include an annual 1% wealth tax on individuals with assets of over £10 million, rising to 2% for those whose assets amounted to over £1 billion. they also say they will increase national insurance payments for those earning over £50,000, and introduce a home improvement programme to cut energy costs and make homes warmer. the green party know that their leaders are highly unlikely to become the next prime minister. but what they are hoping is to get enough mps to have influence over whoever does win the election. the conservatives used their manifesto launch to promise a 2p cut in national insurance within the next three years. among their ways of saving money as cuts to the welfare bill of £12 billion per year. as for labour, their manifesto will be published in full tomorrow. but today they are focusing on potholes in england, putting forward an extra £61; million annually to fix 1 million more every year. in this we got manifesto launches, there are promises and pledges are promises and pledges aplenty. the parties hope to catch your attention and, of course, your vote. let's go to hove and east sussex, where the greens hold their one parliamentary constituency. there we have jenny parliamentary constituency. there we havejenny hill. let's talk a little bit about what hannah was talking about in her report, the greens, it is always difficult when you are a party that knows it will not get into number 10, party that knows it will not get into number10, how party that knows it will not get into number 10, how do you get people to vote for you? i guess that is one of the things that they really need to think about in this manifesto, pleasing as many people as possible. manifesto, pleasing as many people as ossible. , , ., ., ., as possible. yes, you are right, on the one hand. _ as possible. yes, you are right, on the one hand, they _ as possible. yes, you are right, on the one hand, they are _ as possible. yes, you are right, on the one hand, they are aiming... l the one hand, they are aiming... they havejust one the one hand, they are aiming... they have just one in peter day, they are aiming to quadruple that number at the election, they say they are fielding a record number of candidates, they have somebody standing in all but one seat in england and wales. they are in a position where, if you like, they are able to put forward ambitious plans. that is what they are doing, particularly when it comes to spending on the nhs. in terms of the sting wishing themselves from other parties, they are trying very hard to get across to voters their view that the labour party are very similar to the conservatives and neither of those parties, they say, is being entirely honest with the electorate about the amount of money it is going to cost to fix public services in this country. they say they want to spend an eye watering sum of money on health and social care in england and wales, £50 billion they say they would invest in making sure that people can get on the day gp appointment, fixing so—called dental deserts, where people cannot get hold of an appointment. where they will be closely scrutinised as their figures, and if they will be able to pay for all of that. they reckon that through a wealth tax, a carbon tax and other taxes, they would raise somewhere between 50 and £70 billion per year. when you look at the nhs spending plan, that is £50 billion per year. and they have got to fund other pledges, they want to make sure there is more affordable housing, they want to insulate peoples homes, they want to fix transport, they want to make sure that the green transition goes ahead to tackle climate change. there are a lot of promises year, they say they are fully funded but when you look at the numbers, on the face of it, i am look at the numbers, on the face of it, iam not look at the numbers, on the face of it, i am not sure they entirely add up. we will get a view more details from them later this morning when the manifesto was launched. we are at sussex county cricket ground. we are told the venue was chosen simply because it is a good venue with plenty of room, adrian ramsay, the co—leader of the greens says he is not much of a cricket man, he is more into football, but being a little reporter, none of us can resist this kind of tone, they are keen to bowl over their voters. that is a brilliant — keen to bowl over their voters. that is a brilliant one, _ keen to bowl over their voters. that is a brilliant one, you have won the pun award,. there has been controversy over potential candidates, over anti—semitism. talk me through what the issues are and what the green party response has been so far. what the green party response has been so far-— been so far. this is a party which wants voters _ been so far. this is a party which wants voters to _ been so far. this is a party which wants voters to focus _ been so far. this is a party which wants voters to focus on - been so far. this is a party which wants voters to focus on its - been so far. this is a party which . wants voters to focus on its promise of a fairer society. you are quite right, the greens have become engulfed in a row over anti—semitism, after a number of candidates were accused of either expressing or liking and sharing anti—semitic sentiments on social media. we have spoken to the party at length about this. four candidates originally selected to stand are no longer going ahead to represent the party. even at the end of last week, when parties had to finalise their list of candidates, the leadership told us that a small number of other candidates were still under investigation over those kind of accusations. none of those candidates have been dropped as a result of those investigations, which we are told have now been concluded. the party says it is possible that those people have been deemed in need of training, for example. but no one has been dropped. some of those candidates, one of whom reportedly liked a post one of whom reportedly liked a post on social media which expressed the view that israel should be eliminated, very serious allegation against a particular candidate, that person, we understand, is still standing. candidates in that position will no doubt come very close scrutiny in the coming days. the party say that while a small number of their candidates have expressed strong views over what is happening in gaza, they insist that no one who is anti—semitic will represent their party. no one who is anti-semitic will represent their party.- no one who is anti-semitic will represent their party. jenny, thank ou ve represent their party. jenny, thank you very much _ represent their party. jenny, thank you very much indeed. _ represent their party. jenny, thank you very much indeed. let's - represent their party. jenny, thank you very much indeed. let's take l represent their party. jenny, thank i you very much indeed. let's take you to labour and the pledge to fund councils, to repair up to1 million potholes per year in england. the party said it would give multi—year funding settlement to local leaders to fix broken roads, looking to end what it called a sticking close to approach to repairs. i only 0ur political correspondent ione wells is travelling with the labour campaign. potholes are not the most exciting thing, but as a driver i know they are pretty annoying? it is thing, but as a driver i know they are pretty annoying?— are pretty annoying? it is one of these things _ are pretty annoying? it is one of these things that _ are pretty annoying? it is one of these things that comes - are pretty annoying? it is one of these things that comes up - are pretty annoying? it is one of these things that comes up on l are pretty annoying? it is one of - these things that comes up on every election campaign, local elections or general elections, because they are something that people everyday struggle with, and find deeply annoying. it's not the most glamorous of announcements for any political party. they know it is one that will resonate with voters, one that will resonate with voters, one that they can heavily speak to voters on when it comes to social media ads, being out and about campaigning, like we are today. i think the key announcement that we have heard so far from labour is that they plan to fund repairs for “p that they plan to fund repairs for up to 1 that they plan to fund repairs for up to1 million potholes in england every year. the conservatives have already said they would be spending £8.73 already said they would be spending £8.3 billion fixing potholes in england, and labour say that they will add hundreds of millions more to that in the next five years, which will impart part to be funded by deferring a controversial bypass in sussex, the 827, deferring that longer than it has been already in order to free up some funds to fix potholes. what is interesting about this announcement is not only that it is trying to speak to some of the day—to—day annoyance is that voters might be facing, but also trying to park tanks on conservative lawns, some of the language that has been used by labour in announcing this pledge today, things like saying we are the party that is on the side of motorists. i think that is directly trying to almost reclaim under —— and attacked the conservatives have used towards labour. the conservatives have said they will not take any lectures from the labour party when it comes to motorists, they said that labour declared war on motorists, they specifically cited things like the ulez policy in london, taxing certain vehicles coming into london, which they argue means that labour is not on the side of motorists. i think this is a war of words we are going to see play out during this campaign. going to see play out during this camaiun. . ~' ,, going to see play out during this camaiun. . ~' , going to see play out during this camaiun. . , . campaign. thank you very much indeed. rishi sunak�*s d—day interview, remember that? the one he left the d—day commemorations early to get to. that airs tonight on itv. rishi sunak has apologised for leaving the d—day celebrations early, saying it was a mistake not to stay in france. here is a clip. was a mistake not to stay in france. here is a clip-— here is a clip. what did you do without as _ here is a clip. what did you do without as a _ here is a clip. what did you do without as a child? _ here is a clip. what did you do without as a child? lots - here is a clip. what did you do without as a child? lots of - here is a clip. what did you do - without as a child? lots of things, our parents _ without as a child? lots of things, our parents wanted _ without as a child? lots of things, our parents wanted to _ without as a child? lots of things, our parents wanted to put - without as a child? lots of things, i our parents wanted to put everything into education.— into education. what sort of things have to be sacrificed? _ into education. what sort of things have to be sacrificed? lots - into education. what sort of things have to be sacrificed? lots of - have to be sacrificed? lots of thins, have to be sacrificed? lots of things. all— have to be sacrificed? lots of things, all sorts _ have to be sacrificed? lots of things, all sorts of _ have to be sacrificed? lots of things, all sorts of things. i have to be sacrificed? lots of| things, all sorts of things. can have to be sacrificed? lots of - things, all sorts of things. can you cive an things, all sorts of things. can you give an example? _ things, all sorts of things. can you give an example? all— things, all sorts of things. can you give an example? all sorts - things, all sorts of things. can you give an example? all sorts of - things, all sorts of things. can you i give an example? all sorts of things i would give an example? all sorts of things i would have — give an example? all sorts of things i would have wanted _ give an example? all sorts of things i would have wanted as _ give an example? all sorts of things i would have wanted as a _ give an example? all sorts of things i would have wanted as a kid, - i would have wanted as a kid, famously— i would have wanted as a kid, famously sky tv, that is something we never_ famously sky tv, that is something we never had growing up. let�*s famously sky tv, that is something we never had growing up. let's speak to henry zeffman. _ we never had growing up. let's speak to henry zeffman. he _ we never had growing up. let's speak to henry zeffman. he wasn't - we never had growing up. let's speak to henry zeffman. he wasn't actually| to henry zeffman. he wasn't actually talking about leaving d—day celebrations early, he was in fact talking about his childhood, things that were missing from his childhood. let's go back to the whole rez on debt of this interview. it was organised for him, he left early to get there, the wind has been taken out of the sails before it has aired? to been taken out of the sails before it has aired?— it has aired? to put it mildly, it's not ideal of— it has aired? to put it mildly, it's not ideal of an _ it has aired? to put it mildly, it's not ideal of an interview - it has aired? to put it mildly, it's not ideal of an interview is - not ideal of an interview is infamous five days before it is broadcast, that is the position rishi sunak is in. the point of the interview, it is part of a series where various leaders are doing more soft, profile kind of interviews, where they don't necessarily talk about the issues of the day, but talk about who they are. in that clip, that was rishi sunakfacing questions basically about his wealth and privilege, and whether he could understand the struggles that some british families have gone through in the past few years. there is a bit of emerging controversy this morning over whether rishi sunak suggesting that not having sky tv as a child amounted to a sacrifice, if that met the demands of a particular question. rishi sunak has had a terrible few days politically since he recorded that interview. yesterday, his manifesto launch, it felt like he was moving past that for the first time. the word d—day did not pass anyone's lips, his or anybody who asked him questions afterwards. finally felt like he had drawn a line under it. but this interview had not been broadcast and it is being broadcast on itv tonight. i it is being broadcast on itv toniaht. . , ., it is being broadcast on itv toniuht. . , . ., tonight. i have been reading some of the stuff you — tonight. i have been reading some of the stuff you have _ tonight. i have been reading some of the stuff you have been _ tonight. i have been reading some of the stuff you have been writing - tonight. i have been reading some of the stuff you have been writing on i the stuff you have been writing on the stuff you have been writing on the live page, on grant shapps. he appeared on a rival radio station this morning, and was making some interesting comments today about downing street and who is going to enter it, how voting may or may not go. enter it, how voting may or may not io, ., , , enter it, how voting may or may not go. really interesting comments from grant shapps. — go. really interesting comments from grant shapps. the _ go. really interesting comments from grant shapps, the defence _ go. really interesting comments from grant shapps, the defence secretary, | grant shapps, the defence secretary, one of rishi sunak�*s most trusted lieutenants, where he did seem to be slightly changing the conservative party's messaging, at least today. throughout this campaign, the conservatives have presented their programme for government, what they would do if they get an unprecedented fifth term in office. that is what we got from rishi sunak yesterday, 76 pages of policy. what grant shapps want to talk about today was why people should vote conservative in order to hold the government of the day to account. you don't need me to tell you that is a slightly counterintuitive message if you are really optimistic, and confident of the conservatives winning the general election. it sounded a lot more like what grant shapps was trying to do was to persuade voters to vote conservative in order to keep what he was suggesting was a likely labour government in check. it will be very interesting to see whether other senior conservatives come up with a similar message to grant shapps today, or over the coming days. if they do, i think that those kind of dramatically shift the contours of this election campaign. you go from having keir starmer and rishi sunak slinging it out over who should have the keys to downing street on the morning ofjuly the 5th, to instead something a bit more complicated, which is the conservatives arguing that a labour victory might be taken for granted, but they shouldn't have too large a victory. in but they shouldn't have too large a victo . ., but they shouldn't have too large a victo . . ., ,., victory. in that same reason, the labour victory. in that same reason, the labour campaign _ victory. in that same reason, the labour campaign will _ victory. in that same reason, the labour campaign will have - victory. in that same reason, the labour campaign will have to i victory. in that same reason, the i labour campaign will have to change accordingly? the labour campaign will have to change accordingly?— accordingly? the labour campaign is all about reassurance _ accordingly? the labour campaign is all about reassurance and _ accordingly? the labour campaign is all about reassurance and caution, . all about reassurance and caution, as well as their headline message of change. i think that is a tricky dynamic for the labour party. it is certainly one that they are very aware of. even before these comments from grant shapps, they are worried some voters might think it is inevitable that labour will win, and therefore they won't feel like they need to turn out to vote labour, or they might think it is safe to go for a party that isn't labour. either the conservatives, potentially to provide a strong opposition, oranother potentially to provide a strong opposition, or another party because they think if the party of government is settled they can vote for a smaller party perhaps, to express a protest or a sort of broader sense of frustration with the main two parties. that absolutely will be a challenge for the labour party. whether what grant shapps has been doing today is the licensed conservative message or not, it is something you are likely to hear keir starmer address at the labour manifesto launch taking place tomorrow. the labour manifesto launch taking place tomorrow. ., , ., . tomorrow. the social democratic -a has tomorrow. the social democratic party has called _ tomorrow. the social democratic party has called for _ tomorrow. the social democratic party has called for families i tomorrow. the social democratic party has called for families to i party has called for families to raise children to be given tax relief, and married couples to have priority on council house waiting lists. launching the manifesto, the leader described the conservative and labour parties is an awful duopoly and said his aim was to give people something decent to vote for. speaking in leeds, he stressed the need for renationalisation and re—industrialisation. the theme of home runs through these pages as it does through sdp thinking. and it resonates basically. we think britain we look at britain as our home, not as a shop or a charity. it's our home, it's where we're building our lives. and that's important. once you start thinking about the country in those terms, you take a more custodial attitude, you're interested in protecting it. homecoming is also a theme which resonates with the vast numbers of politically homeless. there are millions of people literally looking for an alternative to the awful duopoly we have. so, we hope that during this election we succeed in getting their attention and getting a few votes to give people something decent to vote for. there's another thing which homecoming resonates with, i think, which is the idea of reshoring and re—industrialisation. very important part of our package. we want to reshore, we want to reindustrialise. basically, we want industry to regenerate, manufacturing to regenerate and rebuild our communities. so, the public, i think, are well aware of the mess this country is in. the government can't balance its budget, can't control its national border, can't satisfy our energy needs, and, despite record taxation, can't run decent public services. it can't build sufficient homes and it can't organise decent social care. but, there's also a broader point, i think, which social democrats are concerned with, and we must face it actually, we've become a very fractious and divided society. some get rich and others go hungry. it's not acceptable. trust and confidence in uk politics has never been worse — that's the stark finding of a new report which examined the public�*s perception of governments from the 19705 to the present day. the analysis also suggests a record number of voters almost never trust politicians to tell the truth. our home editor mark easton has more. jingle: radio humberside. what do you want to hear from the politicians ahead of the general election? let me know. the voters of hull tend not to get excited about elections. the city had the lowest turnout at the last one of anywhere in the country, and it doesn't take long to find out why. the hopelessness is just, what's the point? it doesn't matter who i vote for, it's all going to be the same. will you be voting? me? it's a waste of time. waste of time, voting. i have no faith in any of it. none. tony martin, hull born and bred, contacted the bbc�*s your voice your vote because he feels so angry that politicians are taking people for fools. i am absolutely fed up to the back teeth of not hearing the truth. politicians in every party seem to treat us like idiots. you obviously feel really strongly about this. i do. i've never known the decline that we've experienced, notjust this year, but probably for the last ten or 20 years. it's notjust yorkshire skepticism. a new report from the national centre for social research finds that across the country, trust and confidence in politics and politicians has never been lower. this election is being held amid a collapse of faith in our democratic systems. the report finds 45% of voters would almost never trust the government to put the country before their party — the highest proportion ever. 58% would almost never trust politicians to tell the truth when in a tight corner — a figure that's never been higher. changing the electoral system under which we'll all be... the report's author, the doyen of election analysis, professor sirjohn curtis, told me he's detected a sense of desperation among the electorate. these figures mean that we are now less trusting, less confident in our system of government than we have been at any point during the last 40 or 50 years. the report suggests voters think the way we're governed is broken. eight in ten say the system needs improving quite a lot or a great deal, with more than half wanting the voting system changed to one which is fairer to smaller parties. it's not boiling hot. it's not freezing cold. so what is the answer? many of the parties promised to give more power to the people. this part of yorkshire is due to have its own regional authority and most manifestos propose to devolve more control to such bodies. but hull is at the forefront of a grassroots movement to counter political apathy by creating people's assemblies. people need to have the power to make decisions for themselves. they've lost faith in politics from the top, and they need to really feel ownership over a movement that's coming from the bottom — something that meets their needs where they are. all sorts of people from a local community, who wouldn't i normally necessarily meet, - come together and discuss what's important and what they might do about things. i disillusionment over brexit, political scandal and economic crisis — all are blamed for the lack of trust. whoever wins the election will have an urgentjob to restore the nation's faith in its democracy. mark easton, bbc news, hull. and we'll be talking live to sirjohn curtice in a few minutes. answer me this, if you can. can one ever rebuild trust that has been lost in this way? i ever rebuild trust that has been lost in this way?— ever rebuild trust that has been lost in this way? i think the answer to that question _ lost in this way? i think the answer to that question is, _ lost in this way? i think the answer to that question is, yes. _ lost in this way? i think the answer to that question is, yes. although l to that question is, yes. although it is true there has been a long—term decline in trust and confidence in our politics, it's not been simply a straightforward path. for example, trust and confidence fell markedly during the mp expenses scandal. but it did then recover somewhat when that was resolved. certainly we were deeply unhappy backin certainly we were deeply unhappy back in 2019. that was the last time we had record low levels of trust and confidence. that was because of the whole brexit stalemate. then brexit got resolved, not least that half of the country that voted in favour of a, their levels of trust and confidence improved. the only problem is that that group of people are rather disappointed with the outcome of brexit, so their trust and confidence has fallen back down again, and that is why we are where we are. i wouldn't be despairing, but i think certainly what is true is that there are questions here for our politicians about the style that they adopt. 0ne our politicians about the style that they adopt. one obvious example is that this has been an issue ever since the cash for questions and the sleaze arguments withjohn major backin sleaze arguments withjohn major back in the 1990s. whenever a politician on one side or the other of the house of commons gets into some difficulty because of perhaps slightly fiddled expenses or other impropriety, let alone something more serious, the other side seem to pile in and say this person should be sacked, should be got rid of, etc, etc, forthwith. sounding as though they are therefore trying to be whiter than white, to use tony blair's famous phrase. the trouble with that is it is the cattle calling the pot black. we know pepe will at some point in the future of the people that are currently arguing for somebody�*s head will find they are on the other side and, collectively, this kind of discourse, i think, collectively, this kind of discourse, ithink, does collectively, this kind of discourse, i think, does politicians altogether not much good at all. the difference with the 90s and the sleaze, nowadays there is a perception that politicians don't actually resign if they do anything wrong, they don't leave, they keep going. you don't get as many apologies. am i correct in that assertion?— apologies. am i correct in that assertion? ., , ., assertion? not sure we can say that, iven what assertion? not sure we can say that, given what has _ assertion? not sure we can say that, given what has happened _ assertion? not sure we can say that, given what has happened in - assertion? not sure we can say that, given what has happened in the i given what has happened in the last five years, we have seen the demise of two prime ministers. that political turmoil in itself, although we can't test its impact on our data, the impact on some of the policy difficulties we've got within the national health service or the state of the economy, where we can quite clearly link it directly to peoples perceptions of these things and their levels of satisfaction, but that backdrop is probably one of the things that has contributed to where we are at. to that extent, we have had rather too many resignations for some people's tastes. ., ~ resignations for some people's tastes. . ,, ., ., tastes. talk me through what it means in terms _ tastes. talk me through what it means in terms of— tastes. talk me through what it means in terms of left - tastes. talk me through what it means in terms of left and i tastes. talk me through what it. means in terms of left and right. tastes. talk me through what it i means in terms of left and right. in the european parliamentary elections, we saw the rise, in some areas, of the far right. how is it linked to dissatisfaction in the establishment, in politics and the way that people perceive the establishment to be run? certainly, one of the arguments _ establishment to be run? certainly, one of the arguments that - establishment to be run? certainly, one of the arguments that there i establishment to be run? certainly, one of the arguments that there is l one of the arguments that there is one of the arguments that there is on the so—called far right use our so—called populist arguments. arguments that don't have the interests of ordinary people at heart, we rely too much on experts, something michael gove argued back in the leave referendum, that big business are trying to take us all to our disadvantage. all of those perceptions are arguments they often use. some people feel nigel farage sometimes articulate some of those arguments. but not that it is the case that it is simply confined to reform. 0ne case that it is simply confined to reform. one of the things we have not been noticing about this election is that although we are focusing on the battle between conservative and labour and how seemingly labour are a long way ahead, we are not noticing that one in three people have been saying for quite awhile that they are going to vote for one the other parties and also, by the way, this is going to be an election in which we have got five parties putting up candidates in virtually every constituency. we have never happened before. i think we should bear in mind that our politics looks rather more fractured thanit politics looks rather more fractured than it once did, and while conservative and labour battle it out, they do need to be aware that a significant section of the public are not necessarily listening to either of them, and are listening to arguments from other parts of the political spectrum which, in some way or another, are further away from the centre of politics than both of my conservative and labour are currently articulating. 0ur are currently articulating. our research does not speak directly to that, but indirectly it indicates why people might be willing to listen to other than the familiar politicians. 5ir listen to other than the familiar politicians-— listen to other than the familiar oliticians. ,, g ., , ., ,, politicians. sirjohn curtis, thank ou ve politicians. sirjohn curtis, thank you very much — politicians. sirjohn curtis, thank you very much for _ politicians. sirjohn curtis, thank you very much for that. - the leaders of scotland's five main political parties have clashed in a special debate programme on a range of issues — from how to tackle the cost of living crisis, to the problems faced by the nhs, as well as scottish independence. 0ur scotland editor james cook was watching. 60 minutes, five party leaders, one general election that could change the country... and three big topics. first, the economy. what worries me about what lies ahead is that there's the threat of more spending cuts. anas has not been straight... i'm being straight. there is going to be £18 billion of public spending cuts, and we've had enough austerity from the tories. we don't want to imposed it on us by any incoming labour government. so let me be straight with you, john. i let me be straight- with the public as well. we will raise revenue, i and we'll raise revenue by a windfall tax on the oil and gas giants, which would raise - £10 billion, a measure you oppose. read my lips. no austerity under labour. i've seen poverty. i've never seen anything like this. this is the worst cost of living crisis since the end of rationing. the liberal democrats immediately would reverse the two—child cap on benefits. if we look at the covid pandemic and the war in ukraine, there has been a massive shock to not only our domestic economy but economies across the globe, and the government at a uk level have tried to provide some universal support and some targeted support. it is disingenuous of douglas ross to pretend that times are hard. times are not hard for the super wealthy. they've made out like bandits since covid. their wealth has doubled and tripled. applause. and the second topic, the nhs. my mother, who's 93, _ waited six hours for an ambulance, another two hours outside the hospital before - she was admitted. is our nhs broken? the nhs is run from edinburgh, but the scottish government's budget is determined in part at westminster. that austerity, that cutting taxes for the wealthy means you have to cut to the bone and cut again and again. and that took us to the third topic — independence. 0n the economy, on poverty, on health, on public services are all crying out for ministerial attention, but have been starved of that because of the constitutional debate that has gripped our politics for so long. i don't support independence. i don't support a referendum. but i can understand why so many people across scotland were looking for an escape route from a tory government that they thought we couldn't get rid of or from a labour party that they thought couldn't win. people are really struggling in scotland today because of the effects of 1a years of austerity, because of brexit and the cost of living crisis. all of those are a product of decisions taken at westminster. tory decisions. all of those decisions are a product of decisions taken in westminster. it's not the nhs that we've been discussing today, it's not the education system, it's not carers. it's going to be independence above everything else, and scotland will suffer as a result of that. audience and politicians had plenty to say last night. 0njuly the 4th, it's your turn. james cook, bbc news, glasgow. we can cross live to glasgow and our scotland reporter katie hunter. she watched all of the events, just maybe in a way tell me who was perceived to have won the debate last night, if there was a winner? there often isn't?— there often isn't? well, all the five party _ there often isn't? well, all the five party leaders _ there often isn't? well, all the five party leaders know- there often isn't? well, all the five party leaders know each i there often isn't? well, all the i five party leaders know each other and debate each other week in, week out at holyrood. so they know each other�*s strengths and weaknesses. what we saw in james's other�*s strengths and weaknesses. what we saw injames's report, some of the most heated debates were between the snp and labour. i will explain why, in scotland the snp have been dominant since 2015, way ahead of labour. but the polls are suggesting that the gap between the two is closing and in fact in recent polls the suggested that labour are now ahead. there are dozens of seats in scotland that will be key battlegrounds between labour and the snp. we saw the snp leader saying that both the conservatives and labour aren't being honest about in his words where the axe will fall in terms of spending cuts after the next general election. you heard anas sarwar pushing back on that. he said, read my lips, no austerity under labour. the scottish conservative leader pointed to his party's planned tax cuts. we heard lorna slater from the greens. and alex cole—hamilton talked about key messages from the liberal democrats including mental health. there were no major gaffes. all the parties felt their person was the winner. flit felt their person was the winner. of course they did. thank you very much. you are live from london watching bbc news. the headlines: hamas gives its first official response to a us headlines: response to a us backed peace plan — saying it views it favourably, but wants israel to commit to a permanent ceasefire. it comes as un investigators say both israel and hamas have committed war crimes since the october 7th attacks. and a fall in gdp. rizz the us secretary of state anthony blinken is heading to qatar for the next leg of his latest middle east tour. it comes hours after hamas said it had given its formal response to a gaza ceasefire proposal announced by president biden nearly a fortnight ago. qatari officials, along with those from egypt acting as mediators, confirmed the response had been received, with a focus now on any israeli response. the proposed ceasefire plan — which was endorsed by the un security council on monday night — calls for a six—week ceasefire that would eventually become permanent, and the release of all hostages still held by hamas. in its response hamas says the ceasefire must be permanent — and israeli forces must withdraw completely from the gaza strip. we can speak to our middle east correspondent. where does this leave negotiations? brute correspondent. where does this leave negotiations?— negotiations? we are still a long wa off a negotiations? we are still a long way off a break— negotiations? we are still a long way off a break through. - negotiations? we are still a long way off a break through. hamas| negotiations? we are still a long i way off a break through. hamas gave a short really statement about what its response had been, repeating some of its demands. they are elements of the current proposal outlined by president biden in may, the three phase proposal. but they're subject to further negotiations. we had different hamas officials trying to cast the response positively. 0ne saying it opened up a wide path way to a deal. no formal response yet from the israelis, which has been passed a copy of the hamas response. but we did have a senior israeli official coming out quickly, with widely quoted in the israeli media, saying this really changed all the main parameters in the proposal and amounted to a rejection. we have yet to hear from the amounted to a rejection. we have yet to hearfrom the mediators amounted to a rejection. we have yet to hear from the mediators who said they're studying what hamas has said. the egyptian and the white house as well. and the timely visit of antony blinken to doha today, because of its key mediation role. the us is evaluating this response from hamas in its own way i guess? exactly. as one of the mediators received a full copy, it will be looking through to see what the suggested hamas amendments are. we don't know much about the detail. but there have been sources close to the talks that suggested there is demand for a ceasefire timeline to be laid out and a specification that really there should be a full withdrawal of israeli troops from even the strategically important locations such as the gaza/egypt border. it is also controlling the palestinian side of rafah crossing. so there are a lot of known areas of contention, which the mediators will know they have to work on. thank ou. know they have to work on. thank you- more — know they have to work on. thank you- more on _ know they have to work on. thank you. more on that _ know they have to work on. thank you. more on that story _ know they have to work on. thank you. more on that story on - know they have to work on. thank you. more on that story on the i know they have to work on. thank i you. more on that story on the bbc's you. more on that story on the bbc�*s web—site. for the past few weeks, and for the duration of the election campaign, we've been keeping an eye on key constituences across the uk. this morning, we're looking at two key battleground seats where the fiercest campaigning has been taking place. in wales, ynys mon has been dubbed "the seat to watch" — with the conservatives, plaid cymru and labour all in contention. the island was one of many shock results of the 2019 election — with the conservatives taking the seat held by labour since 2001. meanwhile in kent, what next for dover & deal? the seat is now only one of two in kent held by labour after its mp natalie elphicke defected from the conversatives just over a month ago. the question is now — can labour hold on to the seat or will the new tory candidate turn it back blue? joining me now is our wales correspondent tomos morgan in ynys mon and our political reporter in kent, michael keown in dover. tomos, what factors will decide who will win ynys mon? brute what factors will decide who will win ynys mon?— what factors will decide who will win ynys mon? what factors will decide who will winyn smon? ,, ., win ynys mon? we spent the last two da s here win ynys mon? we spent the last two days here on — win ynys mon? we spent the last two days here on ynys _ win ynys mon? we spent the last two days here on ynys mon. _ win ynys mon? we spent the last two days here on ynys mon. it _ win ynys mon? we spent the last two days here on ynys mon. it is - win ynys mon? we spent the last two days here on ynys mon. it is quite i win ynys mon? we spent the last two days here on ynys mon. it is quite a l days here on ynys mon. it is quite a diverse island. we are here on the south side of the island. you can see the menai bridge. this section is a more affluent part of the island and we have a number of retirees living here. that has brought challenges, because the average age of ynys mon is going up. but the general population is coming down and more specifically the working age population and that is because a number of key industries over the past few decades have come to an end or closed their businesses on the island. the most notable you think of the nuclear power plant and the aluminium plant. they were employing hundreds of people on the this island. this sparsely populated beautiful island. that has meant people have had to look elsewhere for work. and on the north side we are in a town that is in the shadow of wylfa's heyday and people working at the nuclear plant would live there. and it was one of the biggest towns. and it was busy when wales was at its pomp. now, the town has seen better days. the primary school, the numbers have dropped from around 400 to 260. so jobs and the economy are big things for the people votes here.— people votes here. sounds like someone's _ people votes here. sounds like someone's doing _ people votes here. sounds like someone's doing a _ people votes here. sounds like someone's doing a bit - people votes here. sounds like someone's doing a bit of- people votes here. sounds like| someone's doing a bit of copper mining next to you? we can hear it really loudly. mining next to you? we can hear it really loudly-— really loudly. yeah, they're having to restore the _ really loudly. yeah, they're having to restore the bridge _ really loudly. yeah, they're having to restore the bridge itself, - to restore the bridge itself, because it needs some structural work. i'm not sure you can see them here, but they had stopped but they have restarted, because they knew we were coming on air! they have created a lot of noise. they're having to redo the wiring that is coming across. it is having to redo the wiring that is coming across.— coming across. it is noisy, it is not for us _ coming across. it is noisy, it is not for us to — coming across. it is noisy, it is not for us to stop _ coming across. it is noisy, it is not for us to stop people i coming across. it is noisy, it is i not for us to stop people working. i will come back to you and hopefully in that time they will have stopped for a bit. now to kent to michael keown. you're a political reporter for kent and this is a really, really interesting constituency isn't it? ., �* really interesting constituency isn't it? you're right, you were mentioned _ isn't it? you're right, you were mentioned about _ isn't it? you're right, you were mentioned about natalie i isn't it? you're right, you were i mentioned about natalie elphicke, that conservative mp moving to labour — that conservative mp moving to labour party in the run up to the election — labour party in the run up to the election. but not only is dover and deal an— election. but not only is dover and deal an interesting seat. it is interesting, a few yards where we are, is— interesting, a few yards where we are, is where migrant boats are brought— are, is where migrant boats are brought to _ are, is where migrant boats are brought to shore and it is at the forefront — brought to shore and it is at the forefront of voters' minds here. we have some — forefront of voters' minds here. we have some of the poorest areas in the uk _ have some of the poorest areas in the uk. not farfrom here in the tower— the uk. not farfrom here in the tower hamlets area. and you have the down from _ tower hamlets area. and you have the down from london crowd that moved during _ down from london crowd that moved during the _ down from london crowd that moved during the pandemic to places like deal and _ during the pandemic to places like deal and that has changed the local make-uh _ deal and that has changed the local make—up. doverand dealan make—up. dover and deal an interesting make—up. doverand dealan interesting seat for a host of reasons _ interesting seat for a host of reasons. ., interesting seat for a host of reasons. . , ., , ., , reasons. have the liberal democrats been campaigning — reasons. have the liberal democrats been campaigning there? _ reasons. have the liberal democrats been campaigning there? liberal i been campaigning there? liberal democrats aren't _ been campaigning there? liberal democrats aren't considered i been campaigning there? liberal democrats aren't considered one been campaigning there? liberal i democrats aren't considered one of front runners. in dover and deal the area is— front runners. in dover and deal the area is considering labour and the conservatives and reform. reform have looked at immigration and put that at— have looked at immigration and put that at the — have looked at immigration and put that at the front of their campaign and launched their candidate, howard cox, who _ and launched their candidate, howard cox, who stood to be mayor of london and they— cox, who stood to be mayor of london and they have moved him here. there is a commitment that they're moving someone _ is a commitment that they're moving someone important into the area. this area — someone important into the area. this area considered over history to be a bell— this area considered over history to be a bell weather seat and tends to move _ be a bell weather seat and tends to move in— be a bell weather seat and tends to move in the shade of the government of the _ move in the shade of the government of the time _ move in the shade of the government of the time. tony blair had a labour mp. of the time. tony blair had a labour mp when _ of the time. tony blair had a labour mp. when david cameron was elected it went _ mp. when david cameron was elected it went blue. now, natalie elphicke's defection meant the area has turned — elphicke's defection meant the area has turned red, but there is hope among _ has turned red, but there is hope among labour candidates that this is an area _ among labour candidates that this is an area they can win. what among labour candidates that this is an area they can win.— among labour candidates that this is an area they can win. what have have ou been an area they can win. what have have you been hearing _ an area they can win. what have have you been hearing on _ an area they can win. what have have you been hearing on the _ an area they can win. what have have you been hearing on the doorsteps. l you been hearing on the doorsteps. they say they want to see an end to the boat _ they say they want to see an end to the boat crossing. if you ask people. _ the boat crossing. if you ask people, they say they want to see an end to _ people, they say they want to see an end to the _ people, they say they want to see an end to the boats. partly the association of dover with the small boat crossings, they say we open our newspapers — boat crossings, they say we open our newspapers and too often hear dover in the _ newspapers and too often hear dover in the national press and it is not spoken— in the national press and it is not spoken of— in the national press and it is not spoken of as a holiday destination, but only— spoken of as a holiday destination, but only a — spoken of as a holiday destination, but only a destination for boat crossings _ but only a destination for boat crossings. but we mentioned how poor some _ crossings. but we mentioned how poor some of— crossings. but we mentioned how poor some of the _ crossings. but we mentioned how poor some of the areas are and how people have been— some of the areas are and how people have been affected by the cost—of—living crisis. that put into focus _ cost—of—living crisis. that put into focus that — cost—of—living crisis. that put into focus that cost—of—living crisis. so that and _ focus that cost—of—living crisis. so that and the — focus that cost—of—living crisis. so that and the small boat crossings the main — that and the small boat crossings the main issues.— that and the small boat crossings the main issues. thank you. let's the main issues. thank you. let's t and the main issues. thank you. let's try and cross _ the main issues. thank you. let's try and cross back— the main issues. thank you. let's try and cross back to _ the main issues. thank you. let's try and cross back to tomos. i the main issues. thank you. let'sj try and cross back to tomos. how the main issues. thank you. let's i try and cross back to tomos. how is the noise level now? i think you have moved?— the noise level now? i think you have moved? , ., ., . ,, have moved? yes we have moved back, we are not seeing _ have moved? yes we have moved back, we are not seeing the _ have moved? yes we have moved back, we are not seeing the bridge, _ have moved? yes we have moved back, we are not seeing the bridge, but i we are not seeing the bridge, but the beautiful menai straight. you can see the lovely location. as i mentioned, it is really in some ways a tale of splits, two halves. there are really affluent areas like in the south. when you go north to areas like am lock, people are struggling. the people in the areas are looking for someone they think can boost the economy. we spoke to an economist who said the traditional industries on the island are not, it doesn't look like they will come back, given the global financial situation. angle sea has to look to somebody for the future. we know there is the freeport situation in holyhead and there is hopein situation in holyhead and there is hope in the middle island with regard to science and schools. but these are things that will take time to come and how manyjobs will they bring with so many people having to move elsewhere to look for work? so, as well as the economy and work, it impacts on housing, because you have retirees moving here and transport isn't as good. people trying to get to the island for work, it is difficult, because the main road, the a5 goes from the bridges to holyhead. if you live in other parts of the island, it is difficult to get around. a number of issues. very diverse. but it is a three—way battle. 0ne diverse. but it is a three—way battle. one of a couple of three—way battles, between plaid cymru, the tories and labour. it was very close last time around.— last time around. fantastic to be able to hear— last time around. fantastic to be able to hear you _ last time around. fantastic to be able to hear you clearly! - last time around. fantastic to be able to hear you clearly! michaelj able to hear you clearly! michael keown good to talk to you. important to get those stories, thank you. these are the candidates standing in that constituency in wales. do we have the candidates slate? shall we try the dover and... what will this bring up? it is like a lucky draw! what will we get? we are getting a map? there we go! the candidates for ynys mon you can see on the bbc web—site. the economy is a key battleground for the general election. let's cross to our business correspondent peter ruddick. talk to us about what this tells us about how the economy in the uk is right now?— in the uk is right now? welcome to newcastle and _ in the uk is right now? welcome to newcastle and a _ in the uk is right now? welcome to newcastle and a rather— in the uk is right now? welcome to newcastle and a rather grey, i in the uk is right now? welcome to newcastle and a rather grey, but i newcastle and a rather grey, but very beautiful north—east. usually we wouldn't pay a lot of attention to the figures, they're just monthly and they're volatile. you mentioned the rain that not only impacted spending, but the construction industry, people not being able to get on to building sites because of the weather and the timing of easter impacted the figures. and why are we paying so much attention to them? of course it is because we are in the middle of an election campaign. 50 it does tell us something about the economy. it says that still growth, which is what labour, conservatives all the main parties say they can deliver, is proving elusive. but it is important politically, because the prime minister has framed this election as being an answer to a question, do you agree with him that the economy has in his words turned a corner. i will get my cameraman to turn a corner and say goodbye to this view and come inside and chat to people. we have been talking about how people are feeling. wayne, come on through. he walked offjust as i came on. that is fine, we will talk about it later! we talked about the economy and whether people are feeling this turning the corner that the prime minister says we are going through. tony, you represent a number of local colleges, we think the economy was flat, is that how you are sensing things? your tentacles in the economy through colleges? tentacles in the economy through colleues? , , ., colleges? yes, we feel it is flat. but we recognise _ colleges? yes, we feel it is flat. but we recognise its _ colleges? yes, we feel it is flat. but we recognise its important i colleges? yes, we feel it is flat. l but we recognise its important to drive _ but we recognise its important to drive on — but we recognise its important to drive on the skills agenda and continue _ drive on the skills agenda and continue to train the workforce of the future — continue to train the workforce of the future and we see the benefit for if _ the future and we see the benefit for if local— the future and we see the benefit for if local and the national economy and the benefit of doing that for— economy and the benefit of doing that for the individuals. because it will drive — that for the individuals. because it will drive their social mobility and opportunities to be financially independent. skills will still continue to be important, regardless of how— continue to be important, regardless of how the _ continue to be important, regardless of how the economy's performing at the moment. of how the economy's performing at the moment-— of how the economy's performing at the moment. ., , ., ., ,., the moment. have you heard something that ou the moment. have you heard something that you quite — the moment. have you heard something that you quite fancy— the moment. have you heard something that you quite fancy yet _ the moment. have you heard something that you quite fancy yet from _ the moment. have you heard something that you quite fancy yet from the - that you quite fancy yet from the parties on skills?— that you quite fancy yet from the parties on skills? well, no, i think a lot of parties _ parties on skills? well, no, i think a lot of parties are _ parties on skills? well, no, i think a lot of parties are quiet _ parties on skills? well, no, i think a lot of parties are quiet on - parties on skills? well, no, i think a lot of parties are quiet on the i a lot of parties are quiet on the skills— a lot of parties are quiet on the skills agenda. there was a lot of noise _ skills agenda. there was a lot of noise prior— skills agenda. there was a lot of noise prior to the election being announced. but now we are waiting to see what— announced. but now we are waiting to see what comes out of the manifestos todav _ see what comes out of the manifestos today. hopefully there will be more promises _ today. hopefully there will be more promises of we can do to make apprenticeships a better offer. joe is from apprenticeships a better offer. is from a apprenticeships a better offer. ire: is from a local food apprenticeships a better offer. iir9: is from a local food bank here. apprenticeships a better offer. iir9 is from a local food bank here. we is from a localfood bank here. we have heard the prime minister say that the economy has turned a corner. that is his words. you're on the front line. we know that food banks have been busy. is that something that you think people feel that we have turned a corner? h0. that we have turned a corner? no, inflation may _ that we have turned a corner? no, inflation may be _ that we have turned a corner? no, inflation may be down, but food is ”p inflation may be down, but food is up 30%_ inflation may be down, but food is up 30% from — inflation may be down, but food is up 30% from a _ inflation may be down, but food is up 30% from a year— inflation may be down, but food is up 30% from a year ago. - inflation may be down, but food is up 30% from a year ago. it - inflation may be down, but food is up 30% from a year ago. it is - inflation may be down, but food is up 30% from a year ago. it is as l inflation may be down, but food is. up 30% from a year ago. it is as bad as it was _ up 30% from a year ago. it is as bad as it was 18— up 30% from a year ago. it is as bad as it was 18 months _ up 30% from a year ago. it is as bad as it was 18 months ago. _ up 30% from a year ago. it is as bad as it was 18 months ago. as - up 30% from a year ago. it is as bad as it was 18 months ago. as great. up 30% from a year ago. it is as bad| as it was 18 months ago. as great as an election _ as it was 18 months ago. as great as an election is, — as it was 18 months ago. as great as an election is, the _ as it was 18 months ago. as great as an election is, the damage - as it was 18 months ago. as great as an election is, the damage of- as it was 18 months ago. 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long time for us and our clients to see a _ take a long time for us and our clients to see a difference. - take a long time for us and ourj clients to see a difference. you think there _ clients to see a difference. you think there is _ clients to see a difference. you think there is a _ clients to see a difference. think there is a disconnect clients to see a difference.“ think there is a disconnect between the figures?— the figures? yes, it will take several years _ the figures? yes, it will take several years for _ the figures? yes, it will take several years for any - the figures? yes, it will take several years for any change | the figures? yes, it will take i several years for any change to the figures? yes, it will take - several years for any change to hit us. y :, ~ several years for any change to hit us. , :, ~ ., several years for any change to hit us. do you think the main parties aet us. do you think the main parties et it? us. do you think the main parties get it? no. _ us. do you think the main parties get it? no, frankly _ us. do you think the main parties get it? no, frankly no. _ us. do you think the main parties get it? no, frankly no. no. - us. do you think the main parties get it? no, frankly no. no. i- us. do you think the main parties| get it? no, frankly no. no. i don't think any of— get it? no, frankly no. no. i don't think any of the _ get it? no, frankly no. no. i don't think any of the major— get it? no, frankly no. no. i don't think any of the major parties - get it? no, frankly no. no. i don't| think any of the major parties have an appetite — think any of the major parties have an appetite to _ think any of the major parties have an appetite to change _ think any of the major parties have an appetite to change it. _ think any of the major parties have an appetite to change it. the - think any of the major parties have i an appetite to change it. the damage is so severe _ an appetite to change it. the damage is so severe and — an appetite to change it. the damage is so severe and deep— an appetite to change it. the damage is so severe and deep that _ an appetite to change it. the damage is so severe and deep that they- is so severe and deep that they don't _ is so severe and deep that they don't have _ is so severe and deep that they don't have the _ is so severe and deep that they don't have the appetite - is so severe and deep that they don't have the appetite and - is so severe and deep that theyj don't have the appetite and the resources — don't have the appetite and the resources to _ don't have the appetite and the resources to tackle _ don't have the appetite and the resources to tackle it. - don't have the appetite and the resources to tackle it. let - don't have the appetite and the resources to tackle it.— don't have the appetite and the resources to tackle it. let me bring in deborah- — resources to tackle it. let me bring in deborah. you _ resources to tackle it. let me bring in deborah. you run _ resources to tackle it. let me bring in deborah. you run a _ resources to tackle it. let me bring in deborah. you run a water - resources to tackle it. let me bring| in deborah. you run a water testing firm and you export globally. you said tony said he feels it is flat. we export globally and what we are finding in our business and other businesses, we need to get that skills gap closed. we have an ageing population and as they're retiring, the future generations have a skills gap that we need to close.- the future generations have a skills gap that we need to close. thank you for chattin: gap that we need to close. thank you for chatting to _ gap that we need to close. thank you for chatting to us _ gap that we need to close. thank you for chatting to us and _ gap that we need to close. thank you for chatting to us and spending - gap that we need to close. thank you for chatting to us and spending t- for chatting to us and spending t morning with us. just coffee and no alcoholic beverages have been taken! it is interesting the disconnect between the figures, the headlines and what people are feeling. of course, that is going to be what is crucial come election day. notjust what the economic stat is statistics tell us but what people are feeling about what is really going on. thank you. the greens are launching their manifesto. we can cross to peter murphy, an expert on tax, among many other things. murphy, an expert on tax, among many otherthings. sir murphy, an expert on tax, among many other things. sir richard... murphy, an expert on tax, among many otherthings. sir richard... not murphy, an expert on tax, among many other things. sir richard... not sir richard. i have knighted you! let me ask you first, you had a look at what the greens have been talking about, what do you make of their plans on tax and where they're getting their money from? the greens are doinu getting their money from? the greens are doing something _ getting their money from? the greens are doing something that _ getting their money from? the greens are doing something that is _ getting their money from? the greens are doing something that is bold. - getting their money from? the greens are doing something that is bold. we l are doing something that is bold. we heard one of the people in newcastle saying that he didn't believe any of the parties are willing to do something different. the one thing that you can say about the green manifesto it is different, they're talking about taxing wealth and increasing tax significantly by increasing tax significantly by increasing the tax on the wealthy. they're looking for 50 billion extra a year. i question whether taxes work well. a year. i question whether taxes work well-— a year. i question whether taxes work well. why do they not work well? the _ work well. why do they not work well? the problem _ work well. why do they not work well? the problem with - work well. why do they not work well? the problem with the - work well. why do they not work i well? the problem with the wealth tax, well? the problem with the wealth tax. you've — well? the problem with the wealth tax. you've got _ well? the problem with the wealth tax. you've got to _ well? the problem with the wealth tax, you've got to find _ well? the problem with the wealth tax, you've got to find the - well? the problem with the wealth tax, you've got to find the wealth i tax, you've got to find the wealth and value it and that is a very difficult thing to do in the case of things like works of art, private companies. how much is a race horse worth? it could be from 50 quid to 50 million. these things are subject and hard to value and hard to tax and hard to value and hard to tax and will take a lot of time. easier to increase the tax rates on capital gains and inheritance tax and the rates on income at high levels or to reduce the allowances and reliefs that the wealthy get. you could raise more and a lot less hassle. so i question that part of their manifesto. but the drive is right i think, because over the last decade or so, tax rates on wealth are tiny. tax rates on earnings have risen to a level that we know is high and they're the one party that is willing to say let's do something different. they're doing it for a good reason. they're hearing the zeitgeist. i heard john curtice saying the people of this country want to have more discussion of what the government's going to do for them. they want less discussion of tax. they're not worried about tax. they're worried about education, housing, public services, health and social care. the greens are willing to do that. whether they're doing it in a way that people will like is not the question, somebody has put their head above the parapet and say we are going to talk about. so they're a welcome breath of fresh air in this election.— air in this election. very interesting _ air in this election. very interesting to _ air in this election. very interesting to talk - air in this election. very interesting to talk to . air in this election. very i interesting to talk to you, professor murphy. now to the liberal democrats campaign. never a dull moment with sir ed davey. he is at a water facility. moment with sir ed davey. he is at a waterfacility. they moment with sir ed davey. he is at a water facility. they are calling for help for the failing water industry. and to make the point the campaign strategist have sent him to this water facility. goodness strategist have sent him to this waterfacility. goodness knows what he is about to embark on. is that a wet suit he is wear something never a good look on anyone! he carries it very well, i have to say. we are still waiting for this to happen. he is getting a safety briefing. now some detail on what the liberal democrats are saying. ed davey announced a plan to launch a new what they call a tough regulator to tackle sewage dumping and reform the industry. underthis tackle sewage dumping and reform the industry. under this new authority, the liberal democrats say water companies would be required to publish real time data on the volume of sewage they dump into rivers. analysis reveals according to the liberal democrats that tory mps have voted against tougher measures to tackle sewage dumping in the last parliament. liberal democrats are saying they are the party to deal with water and the cleanliness of it. they're going to scra ofwat. they would ban bonuses for water company bosses and force them to publish the full—scale of their sewage spills and reform companies to make environmental experts on the boards of the companies. now sir ed davey has done a number of these stunts. are they stunts? i guess they are stunts. we have seen him riding on a ride at thorpe park and playing bluejenga. what else have we seen? we have seen him play tennis and do alive we seen? we have seen him play tennis and do a live interview. he was on a paddle board, which he fell off. you know, these haven't done the liberal democrats any harm these stunts. they have brought to the forefront their policies and given people more of an insight into ed davey�*s character, into what he is doing and what he stands for. here we go. i can't wait to see. what is this? it looks like an obstacle course. it looks like. oh, dear, that will be cold. that will be really cold. is he wearing the right shoes? he is wearing the swim shoes and a helmet. good to see that he is properly attired. he is swimming to the other side. i don't know why, there are some steps there, he could have just walked let's just talk you through about what the liberal democrats are all about. because as i mentioned, ed davey took to the rollercoasters at thorpe park in surrey, after rebriefly escaping the world of politics. he said i have been told an election is a rollercoaster so i'm going on a rollercoaster. today they announced their plans for clean water, so today they're doing some water, so today they're doing some water sports. water, so today they're doing some watersports. i water, so today they're doing some water sports. i have to read the headlines soon. we will come back to him the soon. i'm being told we need to do headlines. there will be more from ed davey on the political campaigns in a few moments time. we will be hearing from nicky schiller out on the campaign trailas from nicky schiller out on the campaign trail as well in norfolk. stay with us on bbc news. plenty more to come, if you want to watch what sir ed davey is doing, stay here. this is bbc news. live from london, this is bbc news. election campaigning continues, with the green party preparing to launch its manifesto for england and wales. i am alive at the rspb nature reserve in suffolk, and the area is known locally as the energy coast. we will look at the issues around nuclear power and offshore wind energy. nuclear power and offshore wind ener: . , , , ., :, energy. new gdp figures reveal no urowth in energy. new gdp figures reveal no growth in britain's _ energy. new gdp figures reveal no growth in britain's economy - energy. new gdp figures reveal no growth in britain's economy in - growth in britain's economy in april, with wet weather partly to blame. in other news... hamas gives its first official response to a us backed peace plan — saying it views it favourably, but wants israel to commit to a permanent ceasefire. it comes as un investigators say both israel and hamas have committed war crimes since the october seventh attacks. how long would you last without your smartphone? we meet the teenagers swapping bears for a brick phone for a five—day challenge. —— swapping their phone. welcome to bbc news. let's take you live to warwickshire, to the water park. sir ed davey, the leader of the lib dems is there. he is taking part in yet another stunt, a challenge, a fun day, whatever you want to call it. his campaign have got him doing all these things to underline the policy is that the lib dems want you are dying to talk about on the news and at home. today it is all about clean water. is he going to take a dive? he is behind that column, isn't he? he is talking to reporters. let's talk to somebody on the trail with the lib dems. this is a tightrope that ed davey is about to walk. there you have it, perfect placement. talk me through what is happening behind you. oh, ds... ,:, what is happening behind you. oh, ds. .. choose your political metaphor- _ ds. .. choose your political metaphor. ed _ ds. .. choose your political metaphor. ed davey - ds. .. choose your political metaphor. ed davey is- ds. .. choose your political. metaphor. ed davey is either ds. .. choose your political- metaphor. ed davey is either in the drinks, hoping to get a rinsing, hanging on for dear life, we can go through all of them. he has fallen in a couple of times, including right at the beginning. we are at a water park, and we are here to discuss one policy that the liberal democrats are offering voters at the election, to introduce a clean water authority watching and in wales, which would have the powers to ban bonuses and remove the licences of water companies at set levels of sewage that they can put into the environment, and also put local environmental experts on the board of the water companies. he is still bobbing around. that is a big idea which the lib dems say they would introduce to replace ofwat in england and wales, which regulates the water companies. they say it is a big issue in this area. who knows what the colour of this water is, but it is clean and 0k to fall into, i would have thought. linking together the photo opportunities that he has done, including riding bikes, going on paddle boards and deliberately falling off, going two water parks, going down roller—coaster is, all of that sort of thing. they will get the attention of the electorate, and for the liberal democrats they are behind in the polls, behind the conservatives and labour, they have to keep making the point about their relevance as a party, which is why we are seeing these photocalls. i actually covered the liberal democrat campaign in 2019, when the leader, jo swinson, was talking about potentially being prime minister and winning 100 seats. ed daveyis minister and winning 100 seats. ed davey is clearly running a very different and personal campaign in which he tries to help the electorate understand who he is as a person, and that he is up for a bit of fun, as he has put it many times on this campaign trail. i5 of fun, as he has put it many times on this campaign trail. is it working. — on this campaign trail. is it working, these _ on this campaign trail. is it working, these stunts, - on this campaign trail. is it working, these stunts, everything ed daveyis working, these stunts, everything ed davey is doing? are people sitting up davey is doing? are people sitting up and listening?— davey is doing? are people sitting up and listening? there are a couple of thins up and listening? there are a couple of things to — up and listening? there are a couple of things to say. _ up and listening? there are a couple of things to say. i — up and listening? there are a couple of things to say, i would _ up and listening? there are a couple of things to say, i would question i of things to say, i would question how much he is engaging with the voters. a lot of these campaign events are separate from the public, they are carefully organised, everybody here is a liberal democrat support or a member of the media. i've been on the bus a couple of days, not for the full three weeks. he has done walk around where he has met voters. when we were at thorpe park, the theme park in south—west london, for the day of the manifesto launch, i asked london, for the day of the manifesto launch, iasked him london, for the day of the manifesto launch, i asked him when he was standing on the accused are waiting for roller—coaster is, what were voters saying they wanted a potential liberal democrat government or liberal democrats in opposition to be talking about? he said, actually, we are talking about how scary the rides were. he later told an interviewer that he had been talking about child mental health at the theme park, but he certainly didn't say that to me, so i would question if these are more about what they look like than the substance of policy. but for liberal democrats, that is quite important. they do escape unnoticed because of where they are in the british political system. they would love to have proportional representation and get a better share of the vote, and there he goes again. you get a better share of the vote, and there he goes again.— there he goes again. you have to show strong _ there he goes again. you have to show strong body _ there he goes again. you have to show strong body strength - there he goes again. you have to show strong body strength to - there he goes again. you have to| show strong body strength to hold there he goes again. you have to - show strong body strength to hold up together. sorry, ifind it quite funny. together. sorry, ifind it quite funn . , , ., :, funny. this is quite a tough campaign. _ funny. this is quite a tough campaign, physically. - funny. this is quite a tough campaign, physically. he i funny. this is quite a tough l campaign, physically. he has funny. this is quite a tough - campaign, physically. he has had to do some pretty mad things, and put his body through some experiences. he said he is enjoying the campaign, i am sure he is enjoying the fact that the liberal democrats are bobbing around in the polls, not doing too badly, not losing ground. when the manifesto launched on monday they had their big day and got some coverage out of that. as a result of that, there was a poll yesterday that gave them a four point bump as a result of probably the manifesto launch and all of these campaign events. of course, polls do vary wildly. it put the tories, the reform party and the liberal democrats in the same zone, the mid to late teens. so it is unlikely the polls will go in that direction throughout this campaign. but it did give the campaign team a bit ofa but it did give the campaign team a bit of a bumper, but it did give the campaign team a bit ofa bumper, a but it did give the campaign team a bit of a bumper, a bit of but it did give the campaign team a bit ofa bumper, a bit ofan bit of a bumper, a bit of an improvement in their morale, as they continue this process of really trying to get their leader well known by the electorate, so that a liberal democrat vote is something they think about when we all go to they think about when we all go to the polls. also, they are making the point that a key role of the lib dems is going to be forming an opposition party when we have a new government. they point out that if labour runs away with this, get a huge majority, takes powerfor potentially ten years, you are going to need an opposition party that is able to stand up to such a powerful government. they say the conservatives could be in tatters, fighting amongst themselves and looking for a new leader. the lib dems make the point they are a cohesive party that works well together, has a good local basis in terms of what i call local champions, candidates on the ground, and that they would be in a good position, perhaps with more seats, thatis position, perhaps with more seats, that is what they are hoping for, to form a solid opposition to whoever becomes the government in the uk after the election. irate becomes the government in the uk after the election.— after the election. we are going to leave ou after the election. we are going to leave you there. _ after the election. we are going to leave you there. he _ after the election. we are going to leave you there. he is _ after the election. we are going to leave you there. he is still- after the election. we are going to leave you there. he is still going. l leave you there. he is still going. if nothina leave you there. he is still going. if nothing else, _ leave you there. he is still going. if nothing else, this _ leave you there. he is still going. if nothing else, this isn't - leave you there. he is still going. if nothing else, this isn't a - if nothing else, this isn't a question because i have to leave you now, at least he looks like he's having fun, right? he now, at least he looks like he's having fun, right?— having fun, right? he says that every time- _ having fun, right? he says that every time. that _ having fun, right? he says that every time. that is _ having fun, right? he says that every time. that is probably i every time. that is probably genuinely true. he doing some enjoyable things, unlike some other leaders. i was with the conservatives last week under prime minister rishi sunak was facing hackles from gps at public events, he was constantly having to explain he was constantly having to explain he came back from the d—day commemorations early to do that interview with itv, which has gone out today. ed davey is not facing those sort of difficult questions on this campaign trail.— those sort of difficult questions on this campaign trail. good to talk to ou. we this campaign trail. good to talk to you- we will _ this campaign trail. good to talk to you. we will leave _ this campaign trail. good to talk to you. we will leave ed _ this campaign trail. good to talk to you. we will leave ed davey, - this campaign trail. good to talk to | you. we will leave ed davey, there. just climbing that little dodgy staircase, tangled in ropes. who knows how this will end. probably not very well. let's move on. we are going to get a big overview today of the key events, three weeks into this election campaign, three weeks to go in this election campaign, with the main parties looking to keep up momentum. rishi sunak and sir keir starmer go head in their second live tv debate, facing questions from voters on sky news in grimsby this evening. will either demand change tactics or will there be more of the same? the manifesto launch today is from the green party and it is promising to tax high earners and the wealthy to fund £50 billion per yearfor the nhs and social care in england and wales. also today, the cost of living is key to this election, and figures show the uk, new fail to grow in april with wet weather damping down spending. the office of national statistics recorded no growth for the month and it also in line with economist expectations. rishi sunak�*s d—day interview airs on itv tonight, the interview for which he apologised, saying it was a mistake not to stay in france and to come back to do the interview. i not to stay in france and to come back to do the interview.- back to do the interview. i went without a lot _ back to do the interview. i went without a lot of _ back to do the interview. i went without a lot of things - back to do the interview. i went without a lot of things because | back to do the interview. i went i without a lot of things because my parents wanted to put everything into education. what had to be sacrificed? all sorts of things. like lots of people. all sorts of things i would have wanted as a kid that i couldn't have. famously, sky tv! that was something we never had growing up, actually. not having sky tv doesn't sound like of a sacrifice to me? he not having sky tv doesn't sound like of a sacrifice to me?— of a sacrifice to me? he was growing u . of a sacrifice to me? he was growing u- when of a sacrifice to me? he was growing up when rolling _ of a sacrifice to me? he was growing up when rolling news _ of a sacrifice to me? he was growing up when rolling news was _ of a sacrifice to me? he was growing up when rolling news was just - up when rolling news was just emerging, iam sure up when rolling news was just emerging, i am sure he wanted to have as much choice as possible of news. it's not good for rishi sunak that this interview was already infamous five days before it was broadcast, and that is because he recorded it when other world leaders were still in normandy, commemorating the 80th anniversary of d—day. by the next morning he had issued an extraordinary public apology for that, and he was still pleading for public forgiveness as recently as two morocco days ago. this is a slightly separate issue. this is a slightly separate issue. this gets to questions about rishi sunak�*s well. bless his wealth when he was a child, although clearly he had an upbringing of some privilege, more to do with his wife was not well, his wife's father is one of the richest men in india, he set up the richest men in india, he set up the company infosys and he is a billionaire. so money is from conservative candidates about the way that rishi sunak handled that question. though as rishi sunak stressed, his parents arrived in the uk much poorer than they ended up, they would say it is a testament to what you can do as an immigrant in britain, and their particular work as a gp and pharmacist. lets talk about the defence _ as a gp and pharmacist. lets talk about the defence secretary - as a gp and pharmacist. lets talk| about the defence secretary grant shapps. he's been doing the broadcast studio rounds this morning, the message he is putting forward is really interesting. he's been talking about warning people against the unchecked power, potentially, of labour, if they win what he calls a super majority. he says you don't want to have somebody receive a super majority. what is he trying to say to people? it’s a trying to say to people? it's a really striking _ trying to say to people? it's a really striking shift _ trying to say to people? it's a really striking shift in - trying to say to people? it's a really striking shift in the - really striking shift in the conservative party's messaging, from grant shapps, one of the most experienced communicators in the cabinet, in the conservative party. he's basically trying to make the argument that labour are likely to win this general election and therefore people should vote conservative in order to provide a strong opposition, a track to that likely labour government. that's quite something for the defence secretary to be arguing less than 24 hours after rishi sunak unveiled a 76 page prospectus for a full term of conservative government at his manifesto launch at silverstone yesterday. that speaks to, as conservative strategists would see it, the reality of where the election campaign is. everybody would acknowledge as it stands it appears the conservatives are behind, but there are risks for labour here as well. they won't want their voters to feel complacent, to feel they don't need to go out and vote labour, because a labour victory is assured, or make them go and vote for another party, given a labour victory is assured. this dynamic dust to remind me a little bit of the 2017 general election, when everyone thought, at least for much of the campaign, the conservative leader, then prime minister theresa may, was going to win big, and labour candidates went round the country and said people should vote for them for a strong opposition. as it turned out, theresa may ended up losing her majority. i'm not predicting the outcome this time, but i think you are starting to see a similar dynamic to them.— are starting to see a similar dynamic to them. are starting to see a similar d namic to them. : :, , ., dynamic to them. another thing grant sha- -s dynamic to them. another thing grant sha -s said dynamic to them. another thing grant shapps said was _ dynamic to them. another thing grant shapps said was that _ dynamic to them. another thing grant shapps said was that although - dynamic to them. another thing grant shapps said was that although labour| shapps said was that although labour have a lead in the polls, the polls have a lead in the polls, the polls have been wrong before and nobody has cast a vote.— has cast a vote. yes, he then went on to say that _ has cast a vote. yes, he then went on to say that people _ has cast a vote. yes, he then went on to say that people should - has cast a vote. yes, he then went on to say that people should vote | on to say that people should vote conservative in order to provide a strong opposition. it did really feel like he was going through the motions with those caveats. which is not the vibe of the conservative campaign so far, and it does not speak to the reality that there are head—to—head debates in this campaign, including a bbc one debate on a couple of weeks, taking place solely between rishi sunak and keir starmer because everybody believes they are the two people who have any chance of occupying 10 downing street on the morning after the general election, injuly the 5th. it is quite something, even ifjust suggestively, a senior conservative politician suggests there is only one person who might occupy downing street after that a general election. street after that a general election-— street after that a general election. :, ,, , :, , . election. thank you very much indeed. what _ election. thank you very much indeed. what does _ election. thank you very much indeed. what does it - election. thank you very much indeed. what does it mean - election. thank you very much indeed. what does it mean for election. thank you very much - indeed. what does it mean for the tory campaign moving forward? has this change the campaign, has shifted it in any way? let's speak to harry farley on the conservative campaign train, not a bus, to harry farley on the conservative campaign train, nota bus, moving to harry farley on the conservative campaign train, not a bus, moving a campaign train, nota bus, moving a bit campaign train, not a bus, moving a bit faster. and freezing as well. a; bit faster. and freezing as well. slightly dodgy signal, yes. bit faster. and freezing as well. a slightly dodgy signal, yes. tell. bit faster. and freezing as well. a | slightly dodgy signal, yes. tell me a bit about how _ slightly dodgy signal, yes. tell me a bit about how the _ slightly dodgy signal, yes. tell me a bit about how the tone _ slightly dodgy signal, yes. tell me a bit about how the tone of- slightly dodgy signal, yes. tell me a bit about how the tone of the - slightly dodgy signal, yes. tell me | a bit about how the tone of the tory campaign has potentially shifted? it has really shifted, it has been really noticeable, the comments that henry was talking about from grant shapps. i've been speaking to a view conservative candidates in the last few minutes, just about their reaction to that on the thoughts on the manifesto launch yesterday. it's noticeable that one senior tory figure, a candidate in a labour facing seat, said it isjust figure, a candidate in a labour facing seat, said it is just a reflection of reality, it is the situation. they said there is no love for us, they said the most effective strategy that they have found when knocking on doors and speaking to voters in their area is a warning about giving labour and keir starmer a big majority. they say that the most effective campaign tactic they have found an area. they didn't have any issues with that shift in tone, shift in strategy that we have heard this morning from the conservatives. theyjust say it is the situation we are in. another candidate in a liberal democratic facing seat, another senior tory figure being targeted by the lib dems, also had no issue. again, saying there is no love lost, the most effective strategy they have found is a warning against giving labour a supermajority. it's interesting, from the handful of people i have spoken to, a hunt for tory candidates i spoke to in the last 30 minutes or so, there is no issue with the shift in tone, but it issue with the shift in tone, but it is striking from our perspective that they are saying, a senior media communicatorfor the that they are saying, a senior media communicator for the conservatives, they are arguing people should vote conservative not because they are going to win, but to prevent keir starmerfrom having a massive majority. starmer from having a massive ma'ori . :, , :, , ., ~ starmer from having a massive ma'ori . :, , :, , ., majority. harry farley, thank you very much _ majority. harry farley, thank you very much indeed. _ majority. harry farley, thank you very much indeed. we _ majority. harry farley, thank you very much indeed. we are - majority. harry farley, thank you very much indeed. we are going | majority. harry farley, thank you i very much indeed. we are going to leave you and your campaign train for now and come back to you later to talk us through what the conservative party are putting forward today. let's focus on the greens and their manifesto launch, which is happening imminently, later this morning. let's cross live to hove, and jenny hill is there. talk us through what the greens are saying today. the launch really promises to be game changing, in their own words, transforming things like housing, the nhs, all of these ideas. where do they say the money is coming from? you ideas. where do they say the money is coming from?— ideas. where do they say the money is coming from? you are quite right, the sa it is coming from? you are quite right, they say it is — is coming from? you are quite right, they say it is going — is coming from? you are quite right, they say it is going to _ is coming from? you are quite right, they say it is going to take _ is coming from? you are quite right, they say it is going to take a - is coming from? you are quite right, they say it is going to take a lot - they say it is going to take a lot of money to fix, mend broken britain. at the centrepiece of their manifesto is a pledge to spend an eye watering sum of money on health and social care, £50 billion per year, they say they will be spending tjy year, they say they will be spending by 2030 one, for example, making sure there is a gp appointment on the day for anyone who needs it, sorting out things like dental deserts, making sure people can get dental provision. social care for adults and england and wales, and so on. interestingly, they say it is a lot of money to spend, they acknowledge that themselves. they are going to fund their promises by incrementing what they describe as a wealth tax. they say there is with the broadest financial shoulders should be the ones to pay a modest amount more in terms of tax. it's interesting if you look at their figures, they say the wealth tax, along with other taxes, like a carbon tax, will raise somewhere between £50 billion and £70 billion per year. between £50 billion and £70 billion peryear. i between £50 billion and £70 billion per year. i think they're spending is going to come under some scrutiny. if you consider the pledge for health and social services is going to come with a price tag of £50 billion per year, you wonder how they are going to fund the rest of their promises. for example, to insulated homes throughout england and wales, to encourage a green transition, to help tackle climate change. we are at a sussex county cricket ground. actually, the groundsman behind me are perfecting the green, and the greens are putting the final touches to the manifesto launch which will begin shortly. they have been having a technical rehearsal in there. they are going to come under scrutiny over the spending, i think, but also over the spending, i think, but also over a row which has really plagued a party which is promising a fair society, a row over anti—semitism. a number of candidates have been accused of either expressing or liking and sharing anti—semitic. four people originally selected are no longer standing as candidates. even as late as last week, the party leadership and said they were investigating a small number of others. it looks as though those others are now standing. they will go ahead to represent the party. the party, for its part, says that while a small number of people have expressed strong views over what will happen in gazan, they will not allow anybody with anti—semitic views to represent the green party. good to talk to you. throughout the election campaign, we are getting out and about around the country. i'm not, everybody else is, looking up the key constituency issues that matter to you. today we are heading to the east of england and to suffolk, starting the day in this epic personal constituency. let's go live to nicky schiller. it looks lovely and green. iamat i am at the minsmere reserve, regarded as one of the best nature reserves. you know you are going into nature, no mobile phone signal at all. i can spot some robins that are running around, and also they reckon around 5800 species have been recorded here. the one i'm worried about at the moment as this one. it says warning, adders. they are just emerging from hibernation and they are common in this area. hopefully during the course of this i will not get bitten by a snake. the reason we are here is, of course, because the greens are launching their manifesto. and we are looking at the issue of clean energy as we head towards net zero. we always like to be joined towards net zero. we always like to bejoined by towards net zero. we always like to be joined by the local political reporter when we come out and about. in suffolk, that is ben parker. what are the issues here? why is it known as the energy coast? for are the issues here? why is it known as the energy coast?— as the energy coast? for some of that is very _ as the energy coast? for some of that is very unwelcome, - as the energy coast? for some of that is very unwelcome, that - as the energy coast? for some of that is very unwelcome, that tag | that is very unwelcome, that tag line, _ that is very unwelcome, that tag line. irut— that is very unwelcome, that tag line. but it — that is very unwelcome, that tag line, but it is probably fairly apt in some — line, but it is probably fairly apt in some ways. we are facing new nuclear, — in some ways. we are facing new nuclear, offshore wind, some of the infrastructure that comes with that, cabling. _ infrastructure that comes with that, cabling, and the rest of suffolk, there _ cabling, and the rest of suffolk, there are — cabling, and the rest of suffolk, there are pylons, solar farms, there is a tot— there are pylons, solar farms, there is a lot pictured here for suffolk in terms — is a lot pictured here for suffolk in terms of energy infrastructure. that is— in terms of energy infrastructure. that is creating a lot of debate here — that is creating a lot of debate here. there are plenty again some of the proposals, and some for. energy is a hot _ the proposals, and some for. energy is a hot topic, particularly politically, in this general election campaign. we politically, in this general election campaign. we are at minsmere. — election campaign. we are at minsmere, almost _ election campaign. we are at minsmere, almost in - election campaign. we are at minsmere, almost in spitting distance of the sizewell nuclear power station. there are plans for a sizewell c. :, ., ., , ., sizewell c. you already have sizewell c. you already have sizewell a. _ sizewell c. you already have sizewell a, being _ sizewell c. you already have sizewell a, being switched l sizewell c. you already have i sizewell a, being switched off, sizewett— sizewell a, being switched off, sizewell b, which is running, and they want— sizewell b, which is running, and they want to extend the life of that, — they want to extend the life of that, and _ they want to extend the life of that, and the new planned sizewell c. that, and the new planned sizewell 0 there _ that, and the new planned sizewell c. there was a lengthy consultation period. _ c. there was a lengthy consultation period. but — c. there was a lengthy consultation period, but the government gave ptanning — period, but the government gave planning permission. to have been tegal— planning permission. to have been legal challenges which have been defeated. the next stages here is going _ defeated. the next stages here is going to _ defeated. the next stages here is going to pay for it. the have pumped in nrany— going to pay for it. the have pumped in many for— going to pay for it. the have pumped in many for the construction. but there _ in many for the construction. but there is— in many for the construction. but there is still a huge funding gap to be logged. the government back on the people that want to build to say a finat— the people that want to build to say a final investment decision, he was going _ a final investment decision, he was going to _ a final investment decision, he was going to pay for it, will be made this year — going to pay for it, will be made this year. that has been going on for a _ this year. that has been going on for a tong — this year. that has been going on for a long time. a couple of years ago. _ for a long time. a couple of years ago. boris — for a long time. a couple of years ago, borisjohnson was for a long time. a couple of years ago, boris johnson was the for a long time. a couple of years ago, borisjohnson was the pm, i asked _ ago, borisjohnson was the pm, i asked him — ago, borisjohnson was the pm, i asked him he was going to pay for it, asked him he was going to pay for it. he _ asked him he was going to pay for it. he had — asked him he was going to pay for it, he had no answers, iasked rishi sunak— it, he had no answers, iasked rishi sunak when— it, he had no answers, iasked rishi sunak when he was chancellor and there _ sunak when he was chancellor and there were — sunak when he was chancellor and there were no answers. with potentially a new government in place _ potentially a new government in place of — potentially a new government in place of the conservatives carrying on, place of the conservatives carrying on. we _ place of the conservatives carrying on, we don't know who will pay for what _ on, we don't know who will pay for what witt— on, we don't know who will pay for what will cost tens of billions of pounds — what will cost tens of billions of pounds. that is the next step. from the stop sizewell _ pounds. that is the next step. from the stop sizewell c _ pounds. that is the next step. anrrn the stop sizewell c campaign, alison downes. is itjust the money that concerns you?— concerns you? there are a huge number of _ concerns you? there are a huge number of problems _ concerns you? there are a huge number of problems with - concerns you? there are a huge number of problems with the i concerns you? there are a huge - number of problems with the project, ftoored _ number of problems with the project, ftoored in— number of problems with the project, ftoored in ways — number of problems with the project, floored in ways that _ number of problems with the project, floored in ways that go _ number of problems with the project, floored in ways that go beyond - number of problems with the project, floored in ways that go beyond what i floored in ways that go beyond what you feet _ floored in ways that go beyond what you feet about — floored in ways that go beyond what you feel about nuclear _ floored in ways that go beyond what you feel about nuclear energy. - floored in ways that go beyond what you feel about nuclear energy. it. you feel about nuclear energy. it allows _ you feel about nuclear energy. it allows a — you feel about nuclear energy. it allows a new _ you feel about nuclear energy. it allows a new government - you feel about nuclear energy. it allows a new government to - you feel about nuclear energy. it| allows a new government to look you feel about nuclear energy. it i allows a new government to look at it with _ allows a new government to look at it with fresh — allows a new government to look at it with fresh eyes. _ allows a new government to look at it with fresh eyes. in _ allows a new government to look at it with fresh eyes. in our _ allows a new government to look at it with fresh eyes. in our view, - allows a new government to look at it with fresh eyes. in our view, it. it with fresh eyes. in our view, it is bad _ it with fresh eyes. in our view, it is bad for— it with fresh eyes. in our view, it is bad for britain. _ it with fresh eyes. in our view, it is bad for britain.— it with fresh eyes. in our view, it is bad for britain.- firstly, l it with fresh eyes. in our view, it| is bad for britain.- firstly, it is bad for britain. why? firstly, it is bad for britain. why? firstly, it is supposed _ is bad for britain. why? firstly, it is supposed to — is bad for britain. why? firstly, it is supposed to be _ is bad for britain. why? firstly, it is supposed to be a _ is bad for britain. why? firstly, it is supposed to be a replica - is supposed to be a replica of hinktey— is supposed to be a replica of hinkley point— is supposed to be a replica of hinkley point c, _ is supposed to be a replica of hinkley point c, whose - is supposed to be a replica of hinkley point c, whose voice | is supposed to be a replica of. hinkley point c, whose voice go is supposed to be a replica of- hinkley point c, whose voice go cost has doubled — hinkley point c, whose voice go cost has doubled. why _ hinkley point c, whose voice go cost has doubled. why replicate - hinkley point c, whose voice go cost i has doubled. why replicate something that has— has doubled. why replicate something that has been— has doubled. why replicate something that has been an _ has doubled. why replicate something that has been an absolute _ has doubled. why replicate something that has been an absolute disaster? i that has been an absolute disaster? it that has been an absolute disaster? it has _ that has been an absolute disaster? it has all— that has been an absolute disaster? it has at! of— that has been an absolute disaster? it has all of the _ that has been an absolute disaster? it has all of the makings _ that has been an absolute disaster? it has all of the makings of - that has been an absolute disaster? it has all of the makings of anotheri it has all of the makings of another h52~ _ it has all of the makings of another h52~ the _ it has all of the makings of another h52~ the big — it has all of the makings of another hsz. the big difference _ it has all of the makings of another hsz. the big difference with - hsz. the big difference with hincktey— hsz. the big difference with hincktey is _ hsz. the big difference with hinckley is that _ hsz. the big difference with hinckley is that uk - hsz. the big difference with hinckley is that uk energy i hsz. the big difference with - hinckley is that uk energy customers would _ hinckley is that uk energy customers would have _ hinckley is that uk energy customers would have to — hinckley is that uk energy customers would have to pay— hinckley is that uk energy customers would have to pay throughout - hinckley is that uk energy customers would have to pay throughout the - would have to pay throughout the construction — would have to pay throughout the construction of— would have to pay throughout the construction of sizewell _ would have to pay throughout the construction of sizewell c. - would have to pay throughout the construction of sizewell c. the i construction of sizewell c. the arguments— construction of sizewell c. the arguments in— construction of sizewell c. the arguments in the _ construction of sizewell c. the arguments in the party- construction of sizewell c. the arguments in the party is- construction of sizewell c. thel arguments in the party is about reducing — arguments in the party is about reducing tax. _ arguments in the party is about reducing tax, nobody _ arguments in the party is about reducing tax, nobody talks - arguments in the party is about. reducing tax, nobody talks about arguments in the party is about - reducing tax, nobody talks about the sizewett _ reducing tax, nobody talks about the sizewett c _ reducing tax, nobody talks about the sizewett c tax — reducing tax, nobody talks about the sizewell c tax on _ reducing tax, nobody talks about the sizewell c tax on our— reducing tax, nobody talks about the sizewell c tax on our energy - reducing tax, nobody talks about the sizewell c tax on our energy bills. i sizewell c tax on our energy bills. but we _ sizewell c tax on our energy bills. but we have — sizewell c tax on our energy bills. but we have to _ sizewell c tax on our energy bills. but we have to get _ sizewell c tax on our energy bills. but we have to get to _ sizewell c tax on our energy bills. but we have to get to net - sizewell c tax on our energy bills. but we have to get to net zero, i sizewell c tax on our energy bills. i but we have to get to net zero, you are against the energy full stop, or just the cost of this one? the are against the energy full stop, or just the cost of this one?— just the cost of this one? the cost of this one. _ just the cost of this one? the cost of this one, the _ just the cost of this one? the cost of this one, the unreliability - just the cost of this one? the cost of this one, the unreliability of. of this one, the unreliability of this particular— of this one, the unreliability of this particular type _ of this one, the unreliability of this particular type of- of this one, the unreliability of this particular type of reactor, | this particular type of reactor, realty— this particular type of reactor, really outdated. _ this particular type of reactor, really outdated. whether- this particular type of reactor, really outdated. whether you | this particular type of reactor, i really outdated. whether you are this particular type of reactor, - really outdated. whether you are in favour _ really outdated. whether you are in favour of _ really outdated. whether you are in favour of nuclear— really outdated. whether you are in favour of nuclear or _ really outdated. whether you are in favour of nuclear or not, _ really outdated. whether you are in favour of nuclear or not, there - really outdated. whether you are in favour of nuclear or not, there are i favour of nuclear or not, there are advanced — favour of nuclear or not, there are advanced nuclear— favour of nuclear or not, there are advanced nuclear technology- favour of nuclear or not, there are advanced nuclear technology is . favour of nuclear or not, there are i advanced nuclear technology is going down the _ advanced nuclear technology is going down the tine — advanced nuclear technology is going down the line which _ advanced nuclear technology is going down the line which might _ advanced nuclear technology is going down the line which might be - advanced nuclear technology is going down the line which might be safer. down the line which might be safer and have _ down the line which might be safer and have a — down the line which might be safer and have a better— down the line which might be safer and have a better solution. - down the line which might be saferl and have a better solution. equally, there _ and have a better solution. equally, there are _ and have a better solution. equally, there are energy— and have a better solution. equally, there are energy scenarios - and have a better solution. equally, there are energy scenarios that - and have a better solution. equally, there are energy scenarios that getl there are energy scenarios that get to net— there are energy scenarios that get to net zero— there are energy scenarios that get to net zero quickly— there are energy scenarios that get to net zero quickly and _ there are energy scenarios that get to net zero quickly and cheaply, - there are energy scenarios that get to net zero quickly and cheaply, on| to net zero quickly and cheaply, on renewable — to net zero quickly and cheaply, on renewable energy _ to net zero quickly and cheaply, on renewable energy and _ to net zero quickly and cheaply, on renewable energy and storage. - to net zero quickly and cheaply, on . renewable energy and storage. there was one _ renewable energy and storage. there was one published _ renewable energy and storage. there was one published last _ renewable energy and storage. there was one published last year, - renewable energy and storage. there was one published last year, saying i was one published last year, saying the uk _ was one published last year, saying the uk public— was one published last year, saying the uk public would _ was one published last year, saying the uk public would be _ was one published last year, saying the uk public would be astonishedl the uk public would be astonished now. _ the uk public would be astonished now. not— the uk public would be astonished now. notjust— the uk public would be astonished now, notjust our— the uk public would be astonished now, notjust our grid, _ the uk public would be astonished now, notjust our grid, but- the uk public would be astonished now, notjust our grid, but our- now, notjust our grid, but our entire — now, notjust our grid, but our entire power— now, notjust our grid, but our entire power needs— now, notjust our grid, but our entire power needs can - now, notjust our grid, but our entire power needs can be - now, notjust our grid, but our| entire power needs can be met through— entire power needs can be met through wind _ entire power needs can be met through wind and _ entire power needs can be met through wind and solar. - entire power needs can be met through wind and solar. we - entire power needs can be met through wind and solar. we are here at the rspb — through wind and solar. we are here at the rspb reserve, _ through wind and solar. we are here at the rspb reserve, the _ through wind and solar. we are here at the rspb reserve, the rspb - through wind and solar. we are here at the rspb reserve, the rspb have| at the rspb reserve, the rspb have concerns about sizewell c. thank you for joining concerns about sizewell c. thank you forjoining us on bbc news. what are the rspb pulled back concerns about building sizewell c? brute the rspb pulled back concerns about building sizewell c?— building sizewell c? we are very concerned _ building sizewell c? we are very concerned about _ building sizewell c? we are very concerned about sizewell - building sizewell c? we are very concerned about sizewell c. - building sizewell c? we are very concerned about sizewell c. for| building sizewell c? we are veryl concerned about sizewell c. for a whole _ concerned about sizewell c. for a whole number of different reasons, many _ whole number of different reasons, many that _ whole number of different reasons, many that your other guest has just outtined _ many that your other guest has just outlined. but particularly the impact — outlined. but particularly the impact on the local nature. this is right— impact on the local nature. this is right next— impact on the local nature. this is right next door to the globally important nature reserve of minsmere. we are really worried that the noise. _ minsmere. we are really worried that the noise, the development impacts that will— the noise, the development impacts that will have only really important witdtife _ that will have only really important wildlife of the site, particularly the wintering birds and ducks that visit the _ the wintering birds and ducks that visit the site. but also, we are concerned _ visit the site. but also, we are concerned about the impact that the new power _ concerned about the impact that the new power station will have huge water _ new power station will have huge water demands to cool it. we are really _ water demands to cool it. we are really worried about the impact that will have _ really worried about the impact that will have on marine sea life as well. — will have on marine sea life as well, particularly as toxic chemicals could get into the water. also. _ chemicals could get into the water. also. many— chemicals could get into the water. also, many small creatures, fish and so on. _ also, many small creatures, fish and so on. at _ also, many small creatures, fish and so on. at the — also, many small creatures, fish and so on, at the bottom of the food chain— so on, at the bottom of the food chain on— so on, at the bottom of the food chain on a — so on, at the bottom of the food chain on a day will be sifted out as the water— chain on a day will be sifted out as the water is — chain on a day will be sifted out as the water is sucked into the system and no _ the water is sucked into the system and no longer available as food in our marine — and no longer available as food in our marine ecosystems. so, and no longer available as food in our marine ecosystems.— and no longer available as food in our marine ecosystems. so, what is the answer — our marine ecosystems. so, what is the answer if _ our marine ecosystems. so, what is the answer if we — our marine ecosystems. so, what is the answer if we have _ our marine ecosystems. so, what is the answer if we have to _ our marine ecosystems. so, what is the answer if we have to move - the answer if we have to move towards net zero? brute the answer if we have to move towards net zero?— the answer if we have to move towards net zero? we really do have towards net zero? we really do have to move towards _ towards net zero? we really do have to move towards net _ towards net zero? we really do have to move towards net zero, _ towards net zero? we really do have to move towards net zero, and - towards net zero? we really do have to move towards net zero, and at. towards net zero? we really do have to move towards net zero, and at a l to move towards net zero, and at a pace _ to move towards net zero, and at a pace we _ to move towards net zero, and at a pace we are — to move towards net zero, and at a pace. we are well off track to meet our targets— pace. we are well off track to meet our targets at the moment. any new incoming — our targets at the moment. any new incoming government needs to look realty— incoming government needs to look really hard — incoming government needs to look really hard at the energy challenge we face _ really hard at the energy challenge we face. the problem we have is that there _ we face. the problem we have is that there has— we face. the problem we have is that there has not been a strategic look at how— there has not been a strategic look at how we — there has not been a strategic look at how we meet our energy targets, in the _ at how we meet our energy targets, in the best— at how we meet our energy targets, in the best way to do that without damaging — in the best way to do that without damaging nature. rspb and many other .reen damaging nature. rspb and many other green groups are coming together to call for— green groups are coming together to call for a _ green groups are coming together to call for a strategic, spatial plan, both— call for a strategic, spatial plan, both on— call for a strategic, spatial plan, both on land and at sea, to look at how we _ both on land and at sea, to look at how we meet our energy targets in ways— how we meet our energy targets in ways that — how we meet our energy targets in ways that have the least impact on nature _ ways that have the least impact on nature. also, we see this as an opportunity to build notjust national— opportunity to build notjust national infrastructure for energy, but also _ national infrastructure for energy, but also tackle the joint part of the emergency, notjust climate but ecological— the emergency, notjust climate but ecological breakdown, by having a natural _ ecological breakdown, by having a natural infrastructure approach as wett~ _ natural infrastructure approach as well. . :, natural infrastructure approach as well. , :, . . . natural infrastructure approach as well. , . ., natural infrastructure approach as well. , :, well. joining as this the chair of the east midlands _ well. joining as this the chair of the east midlands energy - well. joining as this the chair of| the east midlands energy group. well. joining as this the chair of - the east midlands energy group. we have been talking about net zero. there have been opportunities for the 200 organisations you represent with clean energy?— with clean energy? there are lots of opportunities- _ with clean energy? there are lots of opportunities. there _ with clean energy? there are lots of opportunities. there is _ with clean energy? there are lots of opportunities. there is an _ opportunities. there is an opposition to every form of large energy— opposition to every form of large energy infrastructure projects, however. _ energy infrastructure projects, however, we all need energy to drive electric— however, we all need energy to drive electric cars. — however, we all need energy to drive electric cars, to heat our homes with— electric cars, to heat our homes with gas— electric cars, to heat our homes with gas and, in future, with heat pumps _ with gas and, in future, with heat pumps. energy demands are probably lloii'i pumps. energy demands are probably going to _ pumps. energy demands are probably going to double over the next ten or 15 years _ going to double over the next ten or 15 years. where is the energy going to come _ 15 years. where is the energy going to come from? it will come from offshore — to come from? it will come from offshore wind farms, of the energy coast. _ offshore wind farms, of the energy coast. from — offshore wind farms, of the energy coast, from gas that is coming in to bacton— coast, from gas that is coming in to bacton in— coast, from gas that is coming in to bacton in north norfolk and sizewell. the only way to stop any of this _ sizewell. the only way to stop any of this is— sizewell. the only way to stop any of this is to — sizewell. the only way to stop any of this is to stop using energy and we are _ of this is to stop using energy and we are not— of this is to stop using energy and we are not going to do that, we are going _ we are not going to do that, we are going to _ we are not going to do that, we are going to double usage. so we have to have these _ going to double usage. so we have to have these projects. it's brilliant foriobs — have these projects. it's brilliant forjobs and brilliant for business. if forjobs and brilliant for business. if we _ forjobs and brilliant for business. if we don't— forjobs and brilliant for business. if we don't do it here, we will have to import — if we don't do it here, we will have to import energy from overseas. that seems _ to import energy from overseas. that seems crazy — to import energy from overseas. that seems crazy. we have the technology to do it _ seems crazy. we have the technology to do it. ~ . . seems crazy. we have the technology todo it. ~ :, , ., , seems crazy. we have the technology to do it. ~ :, , ., , ., to do it. what is the answer for locals in an _ to do it. what is the answer for locals in an area _ to do it. what is the answer for locals in an area like _ to do it. what is the answer for locals in an area like this, - to do it. what is the answer for. locals in an area like this, where you have offshore wind, but you have to have the pylons to get it back in? they have got to go somewhere? i am going to see the pylons from my kitchen _ am going to see the pylons from my kitchen window and i will see sizewett— kitchen window and i will see sizewell c as well.— kitchen window and i will see sizewell c as well. oh, i think we have lost nicky. _ sizewell c as well. oh, i think we have lost nicky. he _ sizewell c as well. oh, i think we have lost nicky. he looks - sizewell c as well. oh, i think we have lost nicky. he looks very . have lost nicky. he looks very frozen. if you're wondering about the... suffolk coastal constituency, here is a full list. you can get more details on parties and candidates on the bbc web—site. here i am. now you will remember the sycamore gap three that was felled in north what. adam carruthers has pleaded not guilty to damaging the tree and hadrian's wall. it was a devastating story. the tree was felled, a lot of damage was done not only to the tree, but also to hadrian's wall. it was felled on september 28th 2023. both the wall and the tree are said to belong to the national trust. graham entered a plea of not guilty. and carruthers also when he appeared in newcastle magistrates court previously entered a plea of not guilty as well. let's cross live to paris and show you the french president emmanuel macron. he is talking about his party's priorities for the legislative election campaign. he calmed that election campaign. he calmed that election —— he called that election after the results of the european elections. there was support for marine le pen and herfar right group. he then called a snap election. he kicking off his campaign for that election. he kicking off his campaignforthat in election. he kicking off his campaign for that in the coming days. the headlines: hamas gives its first official response to a us peace plan and says it wants israel to commit to a permanent ceasefire. the green party is launching its manifesto for england and wales. no growth in the uk economy, with wet weather partly to blame. now to the middle east and hamas's response to the latest ceasefire plan. the us secretary of state headed to qatar. hamas said the ceasefire must be permanent and israeli troops must withdraw from gaza. qatari officials and officials from egypt have confirmed receipt of the response and the focus is back on the government of israel. the un calls for a six—week ceasefire and the release of all israeli hostages. hamas repeated its demands. they are elements of the current proposal outlined by president biden back on sist outlined by president biden back on 31st may, this three—phase proposal. but they're subject to further negotiations. we had different hamas officials trying to cast this response positively. one said it opened up a wide path way to reach a deal. no formal response yet from the israelis, which has been passed a copy of the hamas response. but we did have a senior isli official coming out quickly —— israeli official saying this changed the main parameters in the proposals and amounted to a rejection. we have yet to hear from the amounted to a rejection. we have yet to hearfrom the mediators, who said they're studying what hamas has said. the qataris and the egyptian and the white house. a timely visit of antony blinken to doe ma. if lii and the white house. a timely visit of antony blinken to doe ma. if u -- doe ma. of antony blinken to doe ma. if u -- doe ma- the — of antony blinken to doe ma. if u -- doe ma- the us— of antony blinken to doe ma. if u -- doe ma. the us is— of antony blinken to doe ma. if u -- doe ma. the us is evaluating - of antony blinken to doe ma. if u -- doe ma. the us is evaluating this . of antony blinken to doe ma. if u -- doe ma. the us is evaluating this in | doe ma. the us is evaluating this in its own way? yes doe ma. the us is evaluating this in its own way?— its own way? yes it has also received _ its own way? yes it has also received a — its own way? yes it has also received a full _ its own way? yes it has also received a full copy - its own way? yes it has also received a full copy and - its own way? yes it has also received a full copy and will| its own way? yes it has also i received a full copy and will be looking through to see what the suggested hamas amendments are. we don't know much about the detail. but some sources close to the talks have suggested that there is demand here for a ceasefire timeline to be laid out and a specification that really there should be a full withdrawal of israeli troops from even the strategically important locations such as the gaza/egypt border where israel's military says it has control of philadelphia corridor. it is also controlling the palestinian side of the the rafah crossing. so there are a lot of known areas of contention, which the mediators will know they have to work on. :, :, , ., ., work on. now, the euro-s are about to start. work on. now, the euro-s are about to start- the — work on. now, the euro-s are about to start. the tournament _ work on. now, the euro-s are about to start. the tournament is - work on. now, the euro-s are about to start. the tournament is key - work on. now, the euro-s are about to start. the tournament is key for i to start. the tournament is key for england and the team are currently deepin england and the team are currently deep in their training. i want to take you live to germany. this is a tournament of course which, in which england are one of the favourites. it is a huge opportunity for gareth southgate and his squad. they have world class talent in that team and they will be envy of many countries in the euros with the captain harry kane and jude bellingham now a champions league winner with real madrid. it is a great squad and it is great to see them all training, getting themselves ready for that match. of course we will be covering the euros here on the bbc and bringing you all the latest on the training that is happening in germany throughout the course of the event. now let's talk more about politics. namely, trust and confidence in politics in this country. it has never been worse apparently. that is the findings of apparently. that is the findings of a new report into the public�*s perception of governments from the 19705 perception of governments from the 1970s to the present. the analysis also suggests a record number of voters almost never trust politicians to tell the truth. jingle: radio humberside. what do you want to hear from the politicians ahead of the general election? let me know. the voters of hull tend not to get excited about elections. the city had the lowest turnout at the last one of anywhere in the country, and it doesn't take long to find out why. the hopelessness is just, what's the point? it doesn't matter who i vote for, it's all going to be the same. will you be voting? me? it's a waste of time. waste of time, voting. i have no faith in any of it. none. tony martin, hull born and bred, contacted the bbc�*s your voice your vote because he feels so angry that politicians are taking people for fools. i am absolutely fed up to the back teeth of not hearing the truth. politicians in every party seem to treat us like idiots. you obviously feel really strongly about this. i do. i've never known the decline that we've experienced, notjust this year, but probably for the last ten or 20 years. it's notjust yorkshire skepticism. a new report from the national centre for social research finds that across the country, trust and confidence in politics and politicians has never been lower. this election is being held amid a collapse of faith in our democratic systems. the report finds 45% of voters would almost never trust the government to put the country before their party — the highest proportion ever. 58% would almost never trust politicians to tell the truth when in a tight corner — a figure that's never been higher. changing the electoral system under which we'll all be... the report's author, the doyen of election analysis, professor sirjohn curtis, told me he's detected a sense of desperation among the electorate. these figures mean that we are now less trusting, less confident in our system of government than we have been at any point during the last 40 or 50 years. the report suggests voters think the way we're governed is broken. eight in ten say the system needs improving quite a lot or a great deal, with more than half wanting the voting system changed to one which is fairer to smaller parties. it's not boiling hot. it's not freezing cold. so what is the answer? many of the parties promised to give more power to the people. this part of yorkshire is due to have its own regional authority and most manifestos propose to devolve more control to such bodies. but hull is at the forefront of a grassroots movement to counter political apathy by creating people's assemblies. people need to have the power to make decisions for themselves. they've lost faith in politics from the top, and they need to really feel ownership over a movement that's coming from the bottom — something that meets their needs where they are. all sorts of people from a local community, who wouldn't - normally necessarily meet, - come together and discuss what's important and what they might do about things. i disillusionment over brexit, political scandal and economic crisis — all are blamed for the lack of trust. whoever wins the election will have an urgentjob to restore the nation's faith in its democracy. mark easton, bbc news, hull. earlier i spoke to sirjohn curtice from the university of strathclyde who you saw in that report. i asked him can trust in governments ever be won back? i him can trust in governments ever be won back? ~ him can trust in governments ever be won back? ,, ., , him can trust in governments ever be won back? ~ ., , :, ., won back? i think the answer to that auestion is won back? i think the answer to that question is yes- _ won back? i think the answer to that question is yes. although _ won back? i think the answer to that question is yes. although it - won back? i think the answer to that question is yes. although it is - won back? i think the answer to that question is yes. although it is true i question is yes. although it is true there has been a long—term decline in trust in our politics, it is not been a simply a straight forward path. and for example, you know, trust and confidence fell during the mps' expenses scandal. but it recovered when that was resolved. we were deeply unhappy back in 2019, the last time we had record low levels of trust and confidence, because of the brexit stalemate. when brexit got resolved, at least that half of the country that voted in favour of it, their levels of trust and confidence improved. the only problem is that that group of people, ie, those who voted leave are more disappointed with the outcome of brexit and their confidence has fallen back. i wouldn't be utterly despairing, but what is true however is that there are questions raised for politicians about the style that they adopt. one obvious example is that this has been an issue since the cash for questions and the sleaze questions with john questions and the sleaze questions withjohn major in the 90s. when ever a politician gets into some difficulty, because of perhaps slightly fiddled expenses or other impropriety or something more serious, the other side seem to pile in and say this person should be sacked etc forthwith. and sounding as though they're trying to be whiter than white to use tony blair's famous phrase. the trouble with that is it is a case of kettle calling the pot black. we know not future with people who are arguing for somebody�*s head will find they're on the other side and collectively this kind of discourse i think does politicians all together not nuch good at all. —— much good at all. i together not nuch good at all. -- much good at all.— much good at all. i suppose the difference _ much good at all. i suppose the difference between _ much good at all. i suppose the difference between what - much good at all. i suppose the difference between what is - much good at all. i suppose the - difference between what is happening and what happened in in nineties with the sleaze, now there is a perception that politicians don't actually kind of resign if they do anything wrong, they don't leave. they ke going. you don't get as many apologies. am i correct? i’m they ke going. you don't get as many apologies. am i correct?— apologies. am i correct? i'm not sure we can _ apologies. am i correct? i'm not sure we can say _ apologies. am i correct? i'm not sure we can say that _ apologies. am i correct? i'm not sure we can say that with - apologies. am i correct? i'm not sure we can say that with what i sure we can say that with what happened in the last five years with the demise of two prime ministers. that turmoil, although we can't test its impact in our data compared to the policy difficulties with the nhs and the state of the economy, where we can link people's perceptions of these things and their levels of satisfaction. but you know that backdrop is probably one of the things that has contributed to where we are at and to that extent at least we have had perhaps, well, too many resignations for some people's taste. ~ ., :, , , ., many resignations for some people's taste. ., :, , , ., :, taste. what does this mean for the left and the — taste. what does this mean for the left and the right. _ taste. what does this mean for the left and the right. we _ taste. what does this mean for the left and the right. we saw - taste. what does this mean for the left and the right. we saw in - taste. what does this mean for the left and the right. we saw in the i left and the right. we saw in the european parliamentary elections the rise in some areas of the far right. how that is linked to dissatisfaction with the establishment of politics and how people perceive the establishment. one of the arguments those on the so—called far right are so—called populist arguments that say the political elite don't have the interests of ordinary people at heart. we rely too much on experts, something michael gove argued during the leave referendum. big business are trying to do us, take us all to our disadvantage. all of those perceptions are arguments they often use. some people feel that nigel farage sometimes articulates some of those arguments, but not that it is the case that is confined to reform. although we are focussing on the battle between conservative and labour and how seemingly labour are a long way ahead, we are not noticing that one in three people have been saying for a while they're going to vote for one of the other parties and by the way this is going to be an election in which we have got five parties putting up candidates in virtually every constituency. we have never had that before. so i think we should bear in mind that our politics looks rather more fractured than it did and while conservative and labour battle it out, they need to be aware a significant amount of the public are not listening to either of them and are listening to other parts of political spectrum. our research doesn't speak directly to that, but indirectly it does indicate why people may listen to other than the familiar politicians. sir people may listen to other than the familiar politicians.— familiar politicians. sirjohn curtis there. _ familiar politicians. sirjohn curtis there. keir— familiar politicians. sirjohn curtis there. keir starmer i familiar politicians. sirjohn i curtis there. keir starmer has familiar politicians. sirjohn - curtis there. keir starmer has been outlining labour's plans for motorists and he has been touring a technical training facility, focussed on car and vehicle what maintenance and labour are pushing this move to helping fight the battle against potholes in england. here i was what he said. brute battle against potholes in england. here i was what he said.— battle against potholes in england. here i was what he said. we have our manifesto tomorrow _ here i was what he said. we have our manifesto tomorrow and _ here i was what he said. we have our manifesto tomorrow and it _ here i was what he said. we have our manifesto tomorrow and it will - here i was what he said. we have our manifesto tomorrow and it will be - here i was what he said. we have our manifesto tomorrow and it will be a i manifesto tomorrow and it will be a positive case of how we renew and build. i'm not complacent. i know every vote has to be earned. nobody has cast a vote in this election yet. but it is important i think for the country that we have change. and i think for change we need a mandate so that we can go forward, turn our back now on the chaos, the division and the failure of the last 14 years, and start to rebuild our country with the first steps that we will start on, on day one. so i'm seeking to earn those votes. i say to every voter, if you want change, you have to vote for change, you need a mandate to change the country and take our country forward. that was sir keir _ and take our country forward. that was sir keir starmer there. now, let's talk to you about the economy, because the uk economy failed to grow in april after wet weather affected the way people spend. the office of national statistics recorded no growth for the month which was in line with economists�* expectations. the economy is of course a key battleground for the general election. earlier we spoke to our reporter peter ruddick and asked him what this tells us about where we are now?— asked him what this tells us about where we are now? usually of course we wouldn't — where we are now? usually of course we wouldn't be _ where we are now? usually of course we wouldn't be paying _ where we are now? usually of course we wouldn't be paying a _ where we are now? usually of course we wouldn't be paying a lot - where we are now? usually of course we wouldn't be paying a lot of - we wouldn�*t be paying a lot of attention to these figures, they�*re just monthly and volatile, you mentioned the rain not only impacting spending, but impacted the construction industry and people not able to get out on to building sites and the timing of easter possibly impacted the figures. we know that monthly figures get revised. we are in the middle of an election campaign though and it tells us that still the economy, growth, which is what labour and conservatives and the main party say they can deliver, is proving elusive. the prime minister has framed this election as being an answer to the question, to you agree with him that the economy has turned a corner? i�*m going to get any camera man to turn a corner and say goodbye to this view and come inside to a bar. just coffee, no gin, i promise and we have been talking about how people are feeling. it is all right wayne, come on through. wayne walked off as i was going in. we will talk about it later! we have been talking about how the economy is and whether people are feeling this sort of turning the corner that the prime minister says we are going through. let�*s start with tony, you represent a number of local colleges. we think the economy was flat, is that kind of how you are sensing things, your tentacles out in the economy through colleges? tentacles out in the economy through colle . es? . tentacles out in the economy through colle . es? , :, tentacles out in the economy through colleues? , :, _ tentacles out in the economy through colleues? . :, _ :, colleges? yes, i would say we do feel as though — colleges? yes, i would say we do feel as though it _ colleges? yes, i would say we do feel as though it is _ colleges? yes, i would say we do feel as though it is flat. - colleges? yes, i would say we do feel as though it is flat. but - colleges? yes, i would say we do feel as though it is flat. but we i feel as though it is flat. but we recognise — feel as though it is flat. but we recognise how important it is that we continue to drive on the skills agenda — we continue to drive on the skills agenda. we think it is important we continue _ agenda. we think it is important we continue to— agenda. we think it is important we continue to train the workforce of the future — continue to train the workforce of the future and we see the benefit not only— the future and we see the benefit not only for the local economy, but the national economy. and the benefit — the national economy. and the benefit of— the national economy. and the benefit of doing that for the individuals, because it will drive their— individuals, because it will drive their social mobility and opportunities to be independent. skills— opportunities to be independent. skills will still be important, regardless of how the economy is performing. regardless of how the economy is performing-— regardless of how the economy is erforminu. . ,, ., ,:, performing. have you heard something that ou performing. have you heard something that you fancy — performing. have you heard something that you fancy yet _ performing. have you heard something that you fancy yet from _ performing. have you heard something that you fancy yet from the _ performing. have you heard something that you fancy yet from the parties - that you fancy yet from the parties on skills? that is what is going to get growth. on skills? that is what is going to get growth-— on skills? that is what is going to et rowth. ., ., :, :, , ., get growth. no, a lot of parties are auiet on get growth. no, a lot of parties are quiet on the _ get growth. no, a lot of parties are quiet on the skills _ get growth. no, a lot of parties are quiet on the skills agenda. - get growth. no, a lot of parties are quiet on the skills agenda. there i quiet on the skills agenda. there was a _ quiet on the skills agenda. there was a lot— quiet on the skills agenda. there was a lot of noise before the election— was a lot of noise before the election being announced. but now we are waiting _ election being announced. but now we are waiting to see what comes out of manifestos— are waiting to see what comes out of manifestos today. but hopefully there _ manifestos today. but hopefully there will be more there and more of there will be more there and more of the promise — there will be more there and more of the promise of what we can do to make _ the promise of what we can do to make apprentice ships a better offer~ — make apprentice ships a better offer. . . . make apprentice ships a better offer. ., ., , , make apprentice ships a better offer. :, , ., offer. that was my colleague peter ruddick. offer. that was my colleague peter ruddick- how _ offer. that was my colleague peter ruddick. how long _ offer. that was my colleague peter ruddick. how long do _ offer. that was my colleague peter ruddick. how long do you - offer. that was my colleague peter ruddick. how long do you think. offer. that was my colleague peter| ruddick. how long do you think you could last without your smart phone? a few hours? a day? not very long for me. i have it right here. we followed a group of teenagers to see how a few hours? a day? not very long for me. i have it right here. we followed a group of teenagers to see how they coped without their phones for five days as part of a bbc radio five live project. our reporterjoined them to see how they got on. on friday, i received 479 notifications. it�*s fair to say some teenagers are pretty glued to their phones. 0k, guys. point of no return. thank you very much. but this group of students are doing the unthinkable — locking them away for almost a week. you said your goodbye? yes. good. no tiktok, no snapchat, no whatsapp. so, guys, these are your new... oh, my god! ..mobile phones. instead, they�*ll be using these for the next five days. the only way of communicating — texts and calls. i�*m on a nokia. guys, do you want to see something? mum, this is weird, i don�*t like it! oh, my gosh! they're going to have to learn a whole new set of skills - for the next week to be able . to adapt and continue their life as close to what it used to be. but with that mobile - phone underpinning most of their activities, _ it's going to be a real challenge. so in the mornings, usually, i�*ll, like, search up the travel times, because then i know, "oh, yeah, i need to leave in five minutes. oh, yeah, i�*ve got a little bit of time before i need to leave." but with, like, without a phone, i�*ve got no way of knowing when the next tram will be. and not being involved in group chats means it�*s harderfor ruby to meet up with friends. i feel like with the nokia, i'm kind of missing out a bit more on social interaction. like, we always go bowling or something. we've not organised anything so far. 0k. so i'm 52 hours into the detox. i'm finding it ok. i don't think it's difficult oranything, like. two days into the journey, and while ruby�*s coping well, charlie has already given into temptation. it�*s genuinely hard when you don�*t have it. it�*s like having, like, a comfort item for how many ever years and itjust goes... it was really stressful. some others are struggling too. not knowing what's going on in, like, a group chat, itjust makes me like, "what am i missing out on?" but most are focusing on the positives. without my phone, i feel like i�*m actually learning stuff and engaging more — noticing stuff around me, which i probably should be doing anyways but i�*m just too addicted to my phone. usually before i go to bed, i usuallyjust watch, like disney+ for like an hour and then just drift off. but since then, i've just gone straight to sleep and it's weird. feels much better. the more time goes on, . it like becomes a lot easier to think of things to do _ because you've not got your phone, so you're like, "oh, new message." will�*s journey home takes over an hour. announcement: this is l a service to etihad campus. a tram first, then a bus. so in terms of not having a smartphone, it makes it more difficult because i can't check the timetable. and when they say it's been delayed or something, i could at least ring my dad and ask for a lift, you know? will�*s mum, alison, admits not being able to use family tracking apps like life360 is a hindrance, but she�*s noticed big changes in her son just three days into the detox. it�*s actually quite nice seeing you without headphones. i don�*t see that much normally. no. i think it�*s just become the norm. whereas actual social interaction does require you to put these things away, and... yeah. ..engage a little bit more. five days later, it�*s the end of term and time to get those smartphones back. got yours? yeah. maybe i'll put my phone away in the car and i'll put my phone away, like, when i'm around my friends. but in general, like, going on to tiktok and everything, i'm still going to do that. like, ifanything, i'm going to do it more now. i think it's been pretty difficult without a smartphone, - but i've managed to get through it all right. - i'll try and use less - of tiktok, that's for sure. i know my screen time is quite high on that. i judging by their initial reaction, perhaps the students aren�*t quite ready to give up their smartphones entirely, but the detox might start to slowly change their habits. kristian johnson, bbc news. earlier we spoke about the comments from the defence secretary grant shapps, where he said that he believes that he wants voters to vote conservative to avoid what he called a labour supermajority. today, labour have been walking around talking about their plans for potholes ahead of their manifesto launch tomorrow. we can cross to our political correspondent who is travelling with the labour campaign in humberside. let�*s taught about what keir starmer said in response to those grant shapps comments? that�*s right, i asked him directly what he made of the comment by grant shapps that labour was on course to get a supermajority with the tories trying to warn people against that. keir starmer said it wasn�*t a foregone conclusion, the result of the election, saying that not a single vote has been cast. he said he wants people to give him a mandate, perhaps a suggestion that he is aiming for a big majority, something that he feels could give him a mandate to change different policies. i�*m keeping an eye on the road for cars! he said that he believes that people want change, they need to vote for it. that is something he has been telling people. labour have been cautious, they don�*t want to give the impression that they are being complacent and we have been hearing for month the labour campaign say they don�*t want to be complacent, even though the polls suggest they have been well ahead, they don�*t want to give the impression that it is a foregone conclusion and people don�*t need to turn up and vote for them. don't need to turn up and vote for them. . ~ don't need to turn up and vote for them. :, ,, i. :, :. them. thank you. now time for the weather. hello. it is another fairly cool day for this stage in the middle ofjune. fairly cloudy as well. there will be some sunshine breaking through across western parts of the uk and although there�*ll be fewer showers than we had yesterday, there�*ll still be one or two cropping up, mainly towards the east. now, most of the showers are easing away because we�*ve got this ridge of higher pressure. so that�*s going to bring us a window of slightly quieter weather out there, at least for a day or so. we�*ve still got relatively cool air with us coming in from a northwesterly direction. milder air waiting in the wings out towards the west, but with it some rain as well. but for the bulk of the uk, today�*s a predominantly dry day. you can see a few showers for eastern scotland, the eastern side of england as well. not as many as yesterday. west is best in terms of sunshine. so more blue sky developing towards wales, south west of england, western scotland as well. but look at those temperatures, mid—teens for most of us. we�*re about three to five degrees below average, up to about 17 in the warmest spots towards the south. now, overnight tonight, the cloud gets pushed away towards the east. so, clear skies tonight. one or two misty patches, but it will be a cold night, especially for some central and eastern areas. temperatures in our towns and cities down to about six or seven. but i think in the countryside, particularly eastern scotland, we could be down to about two degrees. slightly milder towards the west because of this frontal system is approaching. so that will bring cloud initially, then outbreaks of rain, which will push their way slowly eastwards through the day. so, clouding over quickly for northern ireland, wales, south west of england. the rain arrives and the winds are going to pick up. could be really quite blustery with gusts about 40, even 50 miles an hour around some exposed coasts, and also hills towards the west. eastern scotland, eastern england, i think staying dry until at least after dark for some of us. and those temperatures starting to creep up perhaps a degree or so. it could be 18 degrees in the warmest spots for instance. so still a little below par, but not as chilly as recent days. so then we are into friday and we�*ve got low pressure in charge. you can see more showery rain rotating around that area of low pressure. in the sunshine in between the showers, should feel relatively pleasant. not quite as chilly as it was as we started the week, but we�*ve still got that low pressure bringing that really unsettled theme as we head through the weekend. saturday and sunday, low pressure sitting right across the uk. so, yes, showery rain at times through the course of the weekend, but there�*ll be some warm spells of sunshine in between the showers, and those temperatures probablyjust creeping up by a degree or two through the weekend. bye— bye. live from london. this is bbc news. the green party prepares to launch its manifesto for england and wales. liberal democrat leaderjumps into liberal democrat leader jumps into campaigning, liberal democrat leaderjumps into campaigning, pledging to replace water industry watchdog with a new regular. labour is promising to front councils to repair up to 1 million potholes a year in england. grant shapps has warned of what he calls a labour supermajority, saying it will be dangerous for the country. new figures reveal no growth in the economy in april with wet weather partly to blame. how long could you last without your smartphone? we meet the teams swapping theirs for a brick phone forfive long days. three weeks to the election campaign with all the main parties looking to keep up mentor. these are the key events and extreme and some of the green party launch their election manifesto, promising to tax higher earners and the very wealthy to help front £50 billion a year for social care in england and wales. the latest figures for the economy show gdp flat line in april with wet weather dampening spending. the office for national statistics recorded no growth for the month, which was in line with what analysts expected. rishi sunak and keir starmer go head—to—head in their second live tv debate, facing questions from voters on sky news in grimsby this evening. we�*ll either a mild change tactic or will it be more of the same? we will look ahead to that. first, the green party�*s manifesto announcement is coming imminently. that has cross live to our political correspond and who is at the green party manifesto launch. it is looking very green behind you, thatis it is looking very green behind you, that is public the point, i guess. tell me more about what the green party will be putting forward in the next few moments. i party will be putting forward in the next few moments.— party will be putting forward in the next few moments. i cannot resist a un. the next few moments. i cannot resist a pm they are _ next few moments. i cannot resist a pm they are just — next few moments. i cannot resist a pun. they are just inside _ next few moments. i cannot resist a pun. they are just inside putting - pun. they arejust inside putting the final spin on some of their policies before the official launch of the manifesto. i have it here and what is really striking about it is that for the green party, you might expect their green policies on energy and so forth to come first but it begins with a pledge for affordable warm secure housing for all, followed by this massive investment in health and social care board, followed by a shift to the economy so i suppose what still jumps out is the huge amount of money that the greens say they need to invest in health care and social care in england and wales. they want to spend some £50 billion a year by 2030, making sure for example that on the day gp appointments are possible for anyone who needs them, making sure an nhs dentist is available for everyone. a huge amount of money, they say they are going to front that and other pledges by introducing a wealth tax. they say that the people in society with the broadest shoulders should pay what they describe as a modest amount more. that wealth tax would be supplemented by a carbon tax. people who are higher earners would also be expected to pay a little more in terms of national insurance, too. just looking at this, they are talking about spending a lot of money, they reckon their tax plans would raise between 50 and £70 billion a year. they are pledging to spend a lot of money, too. this insulation scheme for houses and other buildings which be an investment of just over £30 other buildings which be an investment ofjust over £30 billion. i expect they will be asked about whether their sums add up. the greens of course, like many other politicians, are painfully conscious that trust is a really valuable commodity in this particular election. we ourselves on the campaign trail have heard people say, we know politicians promise everything when they want the vote but when they get it, they don�*t always deliver. the green party are very clear on this, they say that the difference between them and the other main parties is that in their view, the other main parties are not being honest with the electorate about how much money it would cost to mend broken britain. let about how much money it would cost to mend broken britain.— to mend broken britain. let us look at that manifesto _ to mend broken britain. let us look at that manifesto you _ to mend broken britain. let us look at that manifesto you have - to mend broken britain. let us look at that manifesto you have in - to mend broken britain. let us look at that manifesto you have in your. at that manifesto you have in your hand. lift it up for a second. it is quite small, it is quite thick? yesterday�*s manifesto from the tories was 76 pages, 115 from the lib dems. brute tories was 76 pages, 115 from the lib dems. ~ . tories was 76 pages, 115 from the lib dems. ~ :, ., tories was 76 pages, 115 from the lib dems. ~ :, :, , lib dems. we have a 45 pages here, not that thick. _ lib dems. we have a 45 pages here, not that thick. not _ lib dems. we have a 45 pages here, not that thick. not particularly - not that thick. not particularly lont , is not that thick. not particularly long. is it? — not that thick. not particularly long, is it? what _ not that thick. not particularly long, is it? what other- not that thick. not particularly long, is it? what other things| long, is it? what other things missing from it, do you think? that is a tricky question _ missing from it, do you think? that is a tricky question at _ missing from it, do you think? trust is a tricky question at this stage because i am still ploughing through it myself but i do think, and we should point out, it comes down to the size of the print in these manifestos. perhaps page numbers are not the orbiter of how much is there. people will come back to this point, this is a green party, why aren�*t they talking about their policies on energy a little bit higher up? it is in here and they are talking about, for example, phasing out petrol and diesel cars, the sale of new ones, by 2035. there is also a pledge to, i hope i am getting this right, have a wind power putting something like 70% of all energy requirements by, i cannot find the exact figure, but they have an emissions pledge on making sure renewable energy is providing the majority of energy requirements. i think people who are concerned that the green party is perhaps muddying the green party is perhaps muddying the waters when it comes to what they stand for will find the policies they would expect but perhaps not right at the top. i suppose leadership of this party will also be conscious that many voters are right now finding their livestock knitted by the cost of living and that is their everyday concern and perhaps that is why we are seeing that pledge on affordable housing but we know the electric is extremely concerned about nhs provision so that is, i am sure, why thatis provision so that is, i am sure, why that is up there, featuring highly indeed. the greens have gone into the selection buoyed by success in recent local elections. they are fielding with a say is a record number of candidates, contesting all but won a seat and invent and wales. it is worth pointing out that despite their pledges for a fairer society, they have been somewhat plagued by a row over anti—semitism as late as last week. they were still investigating a number of candidates who had been accused of either expressing or liking and sharing anti—semitic sentiments on social media. they say those investigations have concluded and it looks as though the people they were investigating have gone ahead and will be representing the party. the greens say that whilst a tiny number of candidates expressed strong views over what is happening in gaza, they would not allow anyone with anti—semitic beliefs or sentiments to represent their party. anti—semitism has been an issue, has it not, for the green party? as you have mentioned there, they wear, this morning we heard from the co—leader who talked about the fact that only four candidates, potential candidates, were accused of anti—semitism, and removed. but he was pressurised in that interview to talk about some of the candidates who potentially have also had accusations of alleged anti—semitism placed on them? accusations of alleged anti-semitism placed on them?— accusations of alleged anti-semitism placed on them? yes, for people who were originally _ placed on them? yes, for people who were originally selected _ placed on them? yes, for people who were originally selected to _ placed on them? yes, for people who were originally selected to stand - placed on them? yes, for people who were originally selected to stand or. were originally selected to stand or no longer going forward as candidates but as i say, the party was, right up until the final moment when they had to confirm that list of candidates, still investigating what the leadership described as a small number of others. you can hear the applause that looks as though the applause that looks as though the co—leaders have just taken to the co—leaders have just taken to the stage to begin the launch of this manifesto. i cannot see, these windows here seem to be reflective so all i can see is the cricket pitch behind me! let so all i can see is the cricket pitch behind me!— so all i can see is the cricket pitch behind me! let us talk about taxes, tax reforms _ pitch behind me! let us talk about taxes, tax reforms because - pitch behind me! let us talk about taxes, tax reforms because they i pitch behind me! let us talk about i taxes, tax reforms because they are key to the green party�*s plans because that is how they will raise the money to pay for all the things they are talking about, encoding national health service and their housing plan, £50 billion a year they want for the nhs. talk me through this wealth tax they are putting forward, how will that work? when you talked about experts, they weren�*t against wealth taxes being difficult to implement. yes. weren't against wealth taxes being difficult to implement.— weren't against wealth taxes being difficult to implement. yes, i know the suggestion _ difficult to implement. yes, i know the suggestion from _ difficult to implement. yes, i know the suggestion from some - difficult to implement. yes, i know the suggestion from some experts| the suggestion from some experts this morning is that implement and that wealth tax a chilly comes with its own gusts, it is not something you can just do overnight. its own gusts, it is not something you canjust do overnight. the plan is that there will be a small levy so 1% on assets of over 10 million and 80% levy on assets of over! billion. as we know, the super wealthy or sometimes rather expert at making sure that they can exploit any loopholes that might exist in tax laws. there is also a concern of course that if you suddenly start imposing a tax on the super wealthy, you might suddenly find they simply leave the country. one of the co—leaders was asked about that this morning and he said it had been fairly cautious in their modelling, to take into account the fact that what he said might be a small number of people who would shift to a different country, where they too bring in a wealth tax, but i think the question still for the green party is how they go about making sure that they a chilly get their hands on the money and how much it is going to cost them to implement the kind of infrastructure to make sure the super wealthy to end up paying the amount of money they say they need to front all of these policies. the green party have had one np to date, they are going into this election in optimistic mood but their aim is this election in optimistic mood but theiraim is to this election in optimistic mood but their aim is to quadruple the number of mps so they may not a chilly end “p of mps so they may not a chilly end up finding they have to stand up to a great deal of scrutiny. it is in the gift of smaller parties like this that they are able to come up with ambitious policies, knowing that it with ambitious policies, knowing thatitis with ambitious policies, knowing that it is extremely unlikely that they will ever get the chance to put them into practice. in they will ever get the chance to put them into practice.— them into practice. in some ways it mixes here — them into practice. in some ways it mixes here but _ them into practice. in some ways it mixes here but other— them into practice. in some ways it mixes here but other ways, - them into practice. in some ways it mixes here but other ways, so - them into practice. in some ways it. mixes here but other ways, so much less clear because when you are a party that knows you�*re not going to work through the doors of number ten, how do you expressway people to give you their boats?— give you their boats? indeed, that is why despising — give you their boats? indeed, that is why despising that _ give you their boats? indeed, that is why despising that you - give you their boats? indeed, that is why despising that you don't . give you their boats? indeed, that| is why despising that you don't see is why despising that you don�*t see these green policies, environmental policies right at the top because that of course is what distinguishes them from the other parties but as i say, they know that the electorate is concerned with day—to—day cost of living, with concerns about access to health and social care board. they are very much trying to distinction themselves from the other main parties by saying that, we are being honest about how much is going to cost to really fix those kind of issues. they say that a lot of money is required when it comes to spending on public services. of course, it is a very popular refrain, tax the super wealthy in order to fund vital services for your normal people, those who are not earning millions or billions or have inherited millions or billions. but as we say, it is an easy thing to say. experts will no doubt over some of these plans will the don�*t go into detail about this wealth tax be on the figures i have only mentioned, they don�*t talk specifically about how how they will go about making sure that the super wealthy will end up paying those taxes. : .:, ~' wealthy will end up paying those taxes. : ,, ., taxes. also, i think the whole raison d'etre _ taxes. also, i think the whole raison d'etre in _ taxes. also, i think the whole raison d'etre in the _ taxes. also, i think the whole raison d'etre in the past, - taxes. also, i think the whole raison d'etre in the past, the | taxes. also, i think the whole - raison d'etre in the past, the green raison d�*etre in the past, the green party has been thinking about the environment, climate change, but i have not seen a lot of other parties talking about climate change and environment issues. why is that, why is it not taking more of a front seatin is it not taking more of a front seat in uk politics during this election campaign, do you think? well, we know that the outgoing green mp, caroline lucas, has criticised labour�*s policy on climate change. i wonder, and criticised labour�*s policy on climate change. iwonder, and i�*m just a spike in knitting here, but i wonder whether it is to do with a concern that those kind of policies are sometimes seen by an electorate as potentially costing them more money. the co—leader of the greens on breakfast television this morning was asked about the transition to different types of vehicles, what will happen to the family car... i. you there, i think we have the co—leaders at the podiums and they are starting the manifesto launch. those thousands of conversations with people in hundreds of different places have brought us to where we are today, that the shiny new manifesto, ready to be unveiled. our manifesto, ready to be unveiled. our manifesto is based on investing to mend broken britain and offer real help and real change. flift" mend broken britain and offer real help and real change. our manifesto is about the — help and real change. our manifesto is about the sort _ help and real change. our manifesto is about the sort of— help and real change. our manifesto is about the sort of country - help and real change. our manifesto is about the sort of country we - help and real change. our manifesto is about the sort of country we want| is about the sort of country we want to live _ is about the sort of country we want to live in. _ is about the sort of country we want to live in, where we move beyond the politics— to live in, where we move beyond the politics of— to live in, where we move beyond the politics of fear and distrust. the sort of— politics of fear and distrust. the sort of face safe and brighter future — sort of face safe and brighter future we want to build for our children. — future we want to build for our children, the sort of world we want to build _ children, the sort of world we want to build together, a world where everyone — to build together, a world where everyone has access to the health services _ everyone has access to the health services they need. everyone has a warm _ services they need. everyone has a warm and — services they need. everyone has a warm and secure home and we all have clean _ warm and secure home and we all have clean air— warm and secure home and we all have clean air to _ warm and secure home and we all have clean air to breathe. our offer to the electric— clean air to breathe. our offer to the electric israel hope and real change — the electric israel hope and real change. our manifesto lays out exactly — change. our manifesto lays out exactly what that will look like. this manifesto is not more of the samet _ this manifesto is not more of the same. it— this manifesto is not more of the same. it is— this manifesto is not more of the same. it is a _ this manifesto is not more of the same, it is a look at what things could _ same, it is a look at what things could be — same, it is a look at what things could be like, and soon, if we are willing _ could be like, and soon, if we are willing to — could be like, and soon, if we are willing to invest at the rate necessary, and to be bold and ambitious. we reject the pessimism of the _ ambitious. we reject the pessimism of the other parties who don't believe — of the other parties who don't believe we can safeguard our publicly— believe we can safeguard our publicly funded health system, that we cannot _ publicly funded health system, that we cannot provide warm and secure homes _ we cannot provide warm and secure homes for— we cannot provide warm and secure homes for everyone, that tackling the climate crisis is too challenging for us. we reject this pessimism. we are confident that our vision _ pessimism. we are confident that our vision for— pessimism. we are confident that our vision for the — pessimism. we are confident that our vision for the future of the country is one _ vision for the future of the country is one that — vision for the future of the country is one that most people share. our manifesto — is one that most people share. our manifesto tells them, tells you, that it _ manifesto tells them, tells you, that it is — manifesto tells them, tells you, that it is possible. we manifesto tells them, tells you, that it is possible.— that it is possible. we plan to transform _ that it is possible. we plan to transform our _ that it is possible. we plan to transform our economy - that it is possible. we plan to transform our economy for . that it is possible. we plan to - transform our economy for good. we cannot go on with an economy where most people are working harder and yet getting poorer, while inequality keeps growing. we reject an economy based on unfairness and instead, embrace a fairer, greener economy. our manifesto they sound a bold but simple plan to bring our water companies, our railways and the big five retail energy companies into public ownership. we would end... applause. this would end the rip—off of rising bills, appalling service and shareholders treasuring millions we would restore our ailing high streets, two, urban and rural, and recognise their value to the committees they serve by investing in support for small and william sized businesses. we would overhaul our tax system to make it fairer. at the heart of this would be a tax on the heart of this would be a tax on the very richest, the top 1% of people, requiring them to pay a bit more into the pot. from the tories and labour, we have been hearing a race to the bottom on tax. they think to pens of here and a penny of their will impress the voters and they think people will not cut on to that this means even more devastating cuts to public services like the nhs that we rely on everyday. but that is not what we are hearing. on the doorstep, people are hearing. on the doorstep, people are telling us they want something to be done about the state of our product services, about our broken britain. they think the there just must be a way to fix it. people in this country know that to mend broken britain, we have to invest in ourfuture. greens have the broken britain, we have to invest in our future. greens have the courage to say that we would change the tax system to make it fairer and make this investment possible. applause. and they are — this investment possible. applause. and they are right _ this investment possible. applause. and they are right because _ this investment possible. applause. and they are right because here - this investment possible. applause. and they are right because here it. and they are right because here it is, a plan that would see billions go into the country�*s collective pocket to pay for the future of our public services. like the national health service, a cornerstone of everything we hold dear in _ cornerstone of everything we hold dear in our — cornerstone of everything we hold dear in our country. we launched our nhs offer— dear in our country. we launched our nhs offer last week and we were so proud _ nhs offer last week and we were so proud to— nhs offer last week and we were so proud to hear the feedback from nhs workers _ proud to hear the feedback from nhs workers. they felt that someone, finally. _ workers. they felt that someone, finally, was willing to take the action— finally, was willing to take the action needed to support them in the critical— action needed to support them in the critical work — action needed to support them in the critical work they do everyday. an investment— critical work they do everyday. an investment of £50 million, more than any other— investment of £50 million, more than any other party, in health and sociat— any other party, in health and social care board, to defend and restore _ social care board, to defend and restore the nhs. we would ensure that you _ restore the nhs. we would ensure that you can't see gp rapidly, and on the _ that you can't see gp rapidly, and on the same day, it is urgent. we would _ on the same day, it is urgent. we would guarantee an nhs dentist for everyone _ would guarantee an nhs dentist for everyone. we would make personal social— everyone. we would make personal social care — everyone. we would make personal social care free at the point of use. _ social care free at the point of use. like _ social care free at the point of use, like the nhs. we would bring mental— use, like the nhs. we would bring mental health treatment up to the same _ mental health treatment up to the same standard as physical health, and unlike — same standard as physical health, and unlike any other party, we would say a _ and unlike any other party, we would say a categorical new privatisation in our— say a categorical new privatisation in our health service.— he has spoken about the severe insecurity in our rental market, the unaddressed crisis in housing. as well as our support for renters, we would provide genuinely affordable housing through our right homes, right place, right price charter. and create 150,000 new social homes every year by the end of the next parliament. unlike labour, we would end the right to buy scheme that takes so many homes that are needed out of circulation. applause.- out of circulation. applause. �* ., ., . ~ ., applause. and we would tackle our enert applause. and we would tackle our energy bills. — applause. and we would tackle our energy bills. too- — applause. and we would tackle our energy bills, too. our— applause. and we would tackle our energy bills, too. our energy - applause. and we would tackle our energy bills, too. our energy bills i energy bills, too. our energy bills are still sky—high because we have the worst insulators homes in europe. so over a five year period, we would invest £30 billion in an sheeting comes up and down the country to reduce emissions and bring energy bills down for good. so people are not afraid to put the heating on when winter rolls around. applause. because a warm, secure, affordable home is something that millions of people in this country do not have. but it is so important, a basic building block for a happy and successful life. if you look at the other parties, the climate crisis has been pretty much _ the climate crisis has been pretty much absent from this election campaign. the other parties are running — campaign. the other parties are running away from their promises on climate _ running away from their promises on climate. only the greens understand that the _ climate. only the greens understand that the solutions to the climate crisis _ that the solutions to the climate crisis also — that the solutions to the climate crisis also the solutions to the cost _ crisis also the solutions to the cost of— crisis also the solutions to the cost of living crisis. the climate crisis _ cost of living crisis. the climate crisis is — cost of living crisis. the climate crisis is the _ cost of living crisis. the climate crisis is the most serious we face is a global— crisis is the most serious we face is a global community. our commitment to you is protecting our climate _ commitment to you is protecting our climate and — commitment to you is protecting our climate and nature lies at the heart of all _ climate and nature lies at the heart of all of _ climate and nature lies at the heart of all of our — climate and nature lies at the heart of all of our policies. we won't give _ of all of our policies. we won't give you — of all of our policies. we won't give you fake numbers or spin the data. _ give you fake numbers or spin the data. but— give you fake numbers or spin the data, but we will strive every single — data, but we will strive every single day to take the action that is needed — single day to take the action that is needed. so, what are we promising? we would stop all new fossil— promising? we would stop all new fossil fuel— promising? we would stop all new fossil fuel projects in the uk and cancel— fossil fuel projects in the uk and cancel those that have been recently licensed _ cancel those that have been recently licensed like rosebank. applause. we would be more ambitious than apptaust. — we would be more ambitious than any other party— we would be more ambitious than any other party when it comes to renewable energy, investing to ensure — renewable energy, investing to ensure that our energy can come from wind and _ ensure that our energy can come from wind and solar power. a secure energy— wind and solar power. a secure energy supply and action on the climate — energy supply and action on the climate crisis go hand—in—hand. our investment— climate crisis go hand—in—hand. our investment in public transport, supported to switch to electric vehicles — supported to switch to electric vehicles and homes heated without fossil— vehicles and homes heated without fossil fuels means we would put this country— fossil fuels means we would put this country on _ fossil fuels means we would put this country on the path to being zero years— country on the path to being zero years ahead of other parties. the science _ years ahead of other parties. the science is— years ahead of other parties. the science is clear. the desire from the people — science is clear. the desire from the people is clear. now we need representatives in parliament who are ambitious enough to make it a reality— are ambitious enough to make it a reality of— are ambitious enough to make it a reality of applause. there is so much more in our manifesto that we are proud of. plans are to clean up our water companies once and for all by bringing them back into public ownership. a commitment to scrap tuition fees so our young people are not burdened with debt for life. applause. not burdened with debt for life. applause— not burdened with debt for life. applause. �* . ., , , applause. and increasing the budget for schools so — applause. and increasing the budget for schools so teachers _ applause. and increasing the budget for schools so teachers don't - applause. and increasing the budget for schools so teachers don't have - for schools so teachers don�*t have to choose between books and by rope ends. and a new clean—air act to safeguard our children�*s l. —— health. now is the moment to be ambitious. not unrealistic but ambitious, to be clear about that kind of country that we want to live in, about how broken our product services are and the action that is needed to fix them. because we can�*t have an nhs that works. we can have an economy that benefits everyone, notjust an economy that benefits everyone, not just the very an economy that benefits everyone, notjust the very richest. we can have affordable housing that is actually affordable. think of that. applause. we can have real hope and real change the future. applause. now, we are not expecting to form the next _ now, we are not expecting to form the next government. we are realistic— the next government. we are realistic about that, too. but when the conservatives are booted out of number _ the conservatives are booted out of number ten on the conservatives are booted out of numberten on the the conservatives are booted out of number ten on the 4th ofjuly, and labour— number ten on the 4th ofjuly, and labour take — number ten on the 4th ofjuly, and labour take over, we plan to be there _ labour take over, we plan to be there in— labour take over, we plan to be there in parliament in greater numbers— there in parliament in greater numbers to speak up for you on the issues _ numbers to speak up for you on the issues you — numbers to speak up for you on the issues you care about. like a revitalised _ issues you care about. like a revitalised nhs, build action on the climate. _ revitalised nhs, build action on the climate, and a fair economy. applause. because with more green mps in parliament, we will push labour to stop backtracking on their promises. we will— stop backtracking on their promises. we will be _ stop backtracking on their promises. we will be there to drive them to be braver. _ we will be there to drive them to be braver. to _ we will be there to drive them to be braver, to be more ambitious, not to take timid _ braver, to be more ambitious, not to take timid baby steps towards change. — take timid baby steps towards change, but to do what is necessary to fix _ change, but to do what is necessary to fix our— change, but to do what is necessary to fix our country and get us back on track — on track. applause. so this is our offer to voters. a manifesto _ so this is our offer to voters. a manifesto that needs out exactly what _ manifesto that needs out exactly what real— manifesto that needs out exactly what real hope and real change looks like. what real hope and real change looks like an— what real hope and real change looks like. an ambitious but realistic plan _ like. an ambitious but realistic plan for— like. an ambitious but realistic plan for the future that we can all be proud — plan for the future that we can all be proud of. applause. so that is the manifesto launch, let us take some questions from reporters. if you can keep your questions as short as possible. he talked about being honest about needing _ he talked about being honest about needing investment. _ he talked about being honest about needing investment. but— he talked about being honest about needing investment. but there - he talked about being honest about needing investment. but there is i he talked about being honest about needing investment. but there is a i needing investment. but there is a lot of— needing investment. but there is a lot of spending _ needing investment. but there is a lot of spending in— needing investment. but there is a lot of spending in this _ needing investment. but there is a lot of spending in this manifesto. i lot of spending in this manifesto. 40 billion— lot of spending in this manifesto. 40 billion for— lot of spending in this manifesto. 40 billion for the _ lot of spending in this manifesto. 40 billion for the green _ lot of spending in this manifesto. | 40 billion for the green economy, lot of spending in this manifesto. - 40 billion for the green economy, 50 billion— 40 billion for the green economy, 50 billion for— 40 billion for the green economy, 50 billion for health _ 40 billion for the green economy, 50 billion for health and _ 40 billion for the green economy, 50 billion for health and the _ 40 billion for the green economy, 50 billion for health and the nhs. - billion for health and the nhs. there — billion for health and the nhs. there are _ billion for health and the nhs. there are also _ billion for health and the nhs. there are also other— billion for health and the nhs. there are also other things - billion for health and the nhs. there are also other things on| billion for health and the nhs. - there are also other things on here that are _ there are also other things on here that are quite — there are also other things on here that are quite expensive _ there are also other things on here that are quite expensive like - that are quite expensive like increases _ that are quite expensive like increases to _ that are quite expensive like increases to benefits. - that are quite expensive like increases to benefits. are . that are quite expensive likei increases to benefits. are you really — increases to benefits. are you really being _ increases to benefits. are you really being honest _ increases to benefits. are you really being honest that - increases to benefits. are you really being honest that you i increases to benefits. are you i really being honest that you can definitely — really being honest that you can definitely raise _ really being honest that you can definitely raise all— really being honest that you can definitely raise all of— really being honest that you can definitely raise all of this - really being honest that you can definitely raise all of this to - really being honest that you can definitely raise all of this to do. definitely raise all of this to do everything _ definitely raise all of this to do everything in _ definitely raise all of this to do everything in this _ definitely raise all of this to do everything in this manifesto? i definitely raise all of this to do - everything in this manifesto? yes, we absolutely _ everything in this manifesto? yes, we absolutely our. _ everything in this manifesto? yes, we absolutely our. it _ everything in this manifesto? yes, we absolutely our. it is _ everything in this manifesto? yes, we absolutely our. it is fully - we absolutely our. it is fully costed and a lot of work has gone into it over many months. the green party was more ready for this general election and some of the other parties by the committee. we have got more parliamentary candidates standing in the conservative party, for example. obviously, viewers can pour over our manifesto in detail now but yes, we do have some ambitious spending commitments and the greens are the only party being honest that that is the level of investment needed to get the kind of public services we needin get the kind of public services we need in this country. we are not shy about talking about the changes to the tax system which would take the onus of those on the lowest incomes and put it on those with the broader shoulders who can most afford to pay that will benefit everyone. from sky news, the changes to national— from sky news, the changes to national insurance _ from sky news, the changes to national insurance means - from sky news, the changes to national insurance means that i from sky news, the changes to- national insurance means that people earning _ national insurance means that people earning over— national insurance means that people earning over £50,000 _ national insurance means that people earning over £50,000 a _ national insurance means that people earning over £50,000 a year- national insurance means that people earning over £50,000 a year will- national insurance means that people earning over £50,000 a year will be. earning over £50,000 a year will be paying _ earning over £50,000 a year will be paying more — earning over £50,000 a year will be paying more tax. _ earning over £50,000 a year will be paying more tax, that _ earning over £50,000 a year will be paying more tax, that is _ earning over £50,000 a year will be paying more tax, that is one - earning over £50,000 a year will be paying more tax, that is one in- earning over £50,000 a year will be paying more tax, that is one in fivei paying more tax, that is one in five taxpayers — paying more tax, that is one in five taxpayers. how— paying more tax, that is one in five taxpayers. how do— paying more tax, that is one in five taxpayers. how do you _ paying more tax, that is one in five taxpayers. how do you justify - paying more tax, that is one in five taxpayers. how do you justify that| taxpayers. how do you justify that in a cost _ taxpayers. how do you justify that in a cost of— taxpayers. how do you justify that in a cost of living _ taxpayers. how do you justify that in a cost of living crisis? _ in a cost of living crisis? secondly. _ in a cost of living crisis? secondly, three - in a cost of living crisis? secondly, three years i in a cost of living crisis? . secondly, three years ago, in a cost of living crisis? - secondly, three years ago, you in a cost of living crisis? _ secondly, three years ago, you were talking _ secondly, three years ago, you were talking about — secondly, three years ago, you were talking about abolishing _ secondly, three years ago, you were talking about abolishing national - talking about abolishing national insurance — talking about abolishing national insurance altogether— talking about abolishing national insurance altogether so - talking about abolishing national insurance altogether so why - talking about abolishing national insurance altogether so why the | insurance altogether so why the u-turn? — insurance altogether so why the u—turn? thank— insurance altogether so why the u—turn? thank you _ insurance altogether so why the u—turn? thank you very- insurance altogether so why the u—turn? thank you very much i insurance altogether so why the i u—turn? thank you very much for insurance altogether so why the - u—turn? thank you very much for the question _ u—turn? thank you very much for the question we — u—turn? thank you very much for the question. we have _ u—turn? thank you very much for the question. we have a _ u—turn? thank you very much for the question. we have a range _ u—turn? thank you very much for the question. we have a range of- question. we have a range of proposals _ question. we have a range of proposals on _ question. we have a range of proposals on tax _ question. we have a range of proposals on tax and - question. we have a range ofi proposals on tax and spending question. we have a range of- proposals on tax and spending that are about _ proposals on tax and spending that are about helping _ proposals on tax and spending that are about helping those _ proposals on tax and spending that are about helping those on - proposals on tax and spending that are about helping those on the - are about helping those on the lowest — are about helping those on the lowest incomes— are about helping those on the lowest incomes through - are about helping those on the lowest incomes through this i are about helping those on the i lowest incomes through this cost are about helping those on the - lowest incomes through this cost of living _ lowest incomes through this cost of living crisis~ — lowest incomes through this cost of living crisis. but— lowest incomes through this cost of living crisis-— living crisis. but also taking action on — living crisis. but also taking action on the _ living crisis. but also taking action on the crisis - living crisis. but also taking action on the crisis that - living crisis. but also taking action on the crisis that will support— action on the crisis that will support all of us including people on middle incomes that you have referred — on middle incomes that you have referred to. we are looking to raise funding _ referred to. we are looking to raise funding that will enable us to address— funding that will enable us to address the fact that energy and food prices have gone so high, through— food prices have gone so high, through things like a nationwide programme to ensure it our homes, supporting — programme to ensure it our homes, supporting farmers to produce more of our— supporting farmers to produce more of our food — supporting farmers to produce more of our food locally, really address those _ of our food locally, really address those issues. also, if more people are able _ those issues. also, if more people are able to — those issues. also, if more people are able to access an nhs dentist and be _ are able to access an nhs dentist and be part of the nhs in the way we have talked _ and be part of the nhs in the way we have talked about, but putting that investment income of fewer people will think— investment income of fewer people will think of going private with the costs— will think of going private with the costs involved in that, so there will be — costs involved in that, so there will be fine _ costs involved in that, so there will be fine and shall benefits including four people on the sorts of incomes— including four people on the sorts of incomes you have talked about. specifically on the national insurance proposal, the cost of that for somebody on 55,000 a year would be an— for somebody on 55,000 a year would be an extra _ for somebody on 55,000 a year would be an extra £5 a week. people earning — be an extra £5 a week. people earning under £50,000 we not be affected _ earning under £50,000 we not be affected so we are asking moderately more but _ affected so we are asking moderately more but it— affected so we are asking moderately more but it is a modest amount that is affordable and it is going to enable — is affordable and it is going to enable us to invest in the health services — enable us to invest in the health services in — enable us to invest in the health services in the changes to a green economy— services in the changes to a green economy that will benefit us all and create _ economy that will benefit us all and create a _ economy that will benefit us all and create a fairer society. let�*s economy that will benefit us all and create a fairer society.— create a fairer society. let's leave it there. create a fairer society. let's leave it there- huge _ create a fairer society. let's leave it there. huge applause _ create a fairer society. let's leave it there. huge applause there, . create a fairer society. let's leave i it there. huge applause there, they talked about the manifesto. offering real ho -e talked about the manifesto. offering real hope and _ talked about the manifesto. offering real hope and real _ talked about the manifesto. offering real hope and real change. _ talked about the manifesto. offering real hope and real change. adrian . real hope and real change. adrian talked about the greens wanting to build a brighterfuture, saying talked about the greens wanting to build a brighter future, saying the manifesto is not more of the same. let�*s cross live to our correspondence who is outside where thatis correspondence who is outside where that is happening. when he talks about not more of the same, he does have a point because a lot of what we are seeing in this manifesto is not in the ones we have seen so far? you�*re right. in particular the amount of money the green party says it would spend. we don�*t have details of a full costing, they say their pledges are fully funded but take a look at that centrepiece of those pledges. this plan to spend £50 billion a year by 2031 health and social care in england and wales. another 30 billion to put insulation into homes and other buildings, and they are telling us that whilst this will all be funded, largely from a new wealth tax, the tax plans they would put in place to fund all of the pledges would raise somewhere between 50 and £70 billion a year. there is a lot of very expensive pledges in this manifesto and they will come under further questioning as to how realistic that funding is. you will have heard there, being asked, do you have the money to spend on these pledges? she says it has been fully funded but we don�*t have the detail and a lot of experts will be wanting that detail. when it comes to a wealth tax which aims to levy 1% on assets of 10,000,002% on assets of over! billion, many experts are perhaps we�*ll wonder, how do you go about actually implementing a tax like that from the super wealthy, whose finances may be extremely complicated, you will need to implement some infrastructure if you like to make sure that kind of taxa can be levied. some experts saying that in itself will come at a cost. a lot of questions on that but certainly the green party have set themselves this is ambitious but not unrealistic but they do want to implement a lot of changes in society. i suppose you could boil it all down to what they say is their overall aim, to create a fairer society where everyone has a share in the wealth and access to public services. , , ., ,, , ., in the wealth and access to public services. , , . ~' , :, , services. jenny hill, thank you very much. services. jenny hill, thank you very much- let's — services. jenny hill, thank you very much. let's leave _ services. jenny hill, thank you very much. let's leave the _ services. jenny hill, thank you very much. let's leave the green - services. jenny hill, thank you very much. let's leave the green party. much. let�*s leave the green party manifesto launch therefore no. go back to that a little bit later, give you a bit more analysis through the day but let�*s talk about labour. they are pledging to fund councils to repair up to! billion potholes a yearin to repair up to! billion potholes a year in england. the party said the multi—yearfunding year in england. the party said the multi—year funding settlements would end what it called a sticking plaster approach to road repairs. let�*s cross live to our political correspondent travelling with the labour campaign in humberside. let�*s talk in a moment about sir keir starmer�*s comments about what we have heard earlier from the conservative party, let�*s concentrate on the potholes. what is it about potholes that labour hates so much? i it about potholes that labour hates so much? ~ . it about potholes that labour hates so much? ,, , ., ., . so much? i think this announcement toda , so much? i think this announcement today. particularly — so much? i think this announcement today, particularly to _ so much? i think this announcement today, particularly to target - so much? i think this announcement today, particularly to target what . today, particularly to target what they see and what are the parties recognise is an everyday gripe for voters, it is something that comes up voters, it is something that comes up on the doorstep a lot, something always mentioned in local election campaigns because a lot of people are really unhappy with the state of roads. this announcement is aimed at them. they are saying they would fund the fixing of a million potholes per year in england and they say they would aim to fund this in part by deferring a controversial new bypass in sussex, the conservatives have pledged £8.3 billion towards fixing potholes, which labour say they would add hundreds of millions of pounds over the next five years on top of that to meet this pledge. but certainly, both parties are aware this is an issue that while it might not seem the most glamorous policy announcement, it is something that matters to voters every day. it is what they hear on the doorsteps went out and about campaigning. let�*s out and about campaigning. let's talk more about _ out and about campaigning. let's talk more about something that happened earlier today and that is grant shapps during the broadcast rounds earlier, and warning potential conservative voters against a labour supermajority as he called it. sir keir starmer has commented on what grant shapps has said and what appears to be a bit of a shift in tone from the conservatives. what have labour been saying about it? i conservatives. what have labour been saying about it?— saying about it? i asked keir starmer directly _ saying about it? i asked keir starmer directly what - saying about it? i asked keir starmer directly what he - saying about it? i asked keiri starmer directly what he made saying about it? i asked keir- starmer directly what he made of these comments from the conservatives, essentially warning voters not to give labour a blank cheque or supermajority with grant shapps accusing labour �*s macro plans of being vague. sir keir starmer said it wasn�*t a foregone conclusion, he also did say that he wanted people to give him a mandate, a suggestion he is aiming to get a big majority although he has been cautious about saying that because the main message from the labour campaign has been they don�*t want to be seen to be complacent. keir starmer told me earlier he has been saying to voters that if they want change, they had to vote for it. tats change, they had to vote for it. as always, great to talk to you. thank you. let�*s turn our attention to the lib dems whose leader ed davey was always keen to enjoy himself on the campaign trail. today he is literallyjumping back in, tackling an obstacle course at a water adventure park in warwickshire. the reason? it is to highlight his plan to replace the water regulator with a new body that would tackle the dumping of sewage. he says the clean water authority as it would be called wood overruled the industry in england and wales. i test called wood overruled the industry in england and wales.— in england and wales. i lost my father when _ in england and wales. i lost my father when i _ in england and wales. i lost my father when i was _ in england and wales. i lost my father when i was four. - in england and wales. i lost my father when i was four. and - in england and wales. i lost my father when i was four. and my| in england and wales. i lost my - father when i was four. and my mum was so fantastic, she managed to make up for that. we didn�*t have that much money because losing your father, i remember my mum making me walk up the hill to cost cutters to get the coffee 2p cheaper. but we were fortunate in those days you had a proper widow �*s pension, my dad had done quite well even though he had done quite well even though he had come from a humble background. we didn�*t go without but it was only when my mum realised she was terminally ill that she started to spend money and we had a great holiday injersey i remember. i was lucky because i had a loving, secure family. my mum, my brothers and my grandparents and that�*s what we need for everybody. grandparents and that's what we need for everybody-— for everybody. apologies for that, that was sir _ for everybody. apologies for that, that was sir david _ for everybody. apologies for that, that was sir david talking - for everybody. apologies for that, that was sir david talking about i for everybody. apologies for that, | that was sir david talking about his family and lost in his family, not talking about clean water. let�*s cross live to our correspondent in warwickshire. tom, you have been following ed davey today and it has been interesting to say the least. he has been tackling that water park behind you. what kind of point is he trying to make today? just behind you. what kind of point is he trying to make today?— trying to make today? just to pick u i trying to make today? just to pick u- on that trying to make today? just to pick up on that last — trying to make today? just to pick up on that last point, _ trying to make today? just to pick up on that last point, i _ trying to make today? just to pick up on that last point, i asked - trying to make today? just to pick up on that last point, i asked him| up on that last point, i asked him in the interview we just saw about what he had been deprived of as a child. because of rishi sunak in his interview with itv said he had been deprived of sky tv as a child. as you saw there, ed davey gave quite a heartfelt, i thought, you saw there, ed davey gave quite a heartfelt, ithought, response, saying he had lost his father and that had put his family in financial difficulties and really trying to show a different approach to the approach that rishi sunak gave. apart from that answer, it has been fun and games here again on the liberal democrat campaign trail. some may criticise ed davey for perhaps not taking this whole thing quite so seriously as the other leaders. he is trying to get attention for his party and for his policies. he spent quite a lot of time in water in this campaign which is surprising given his concerns about how polluted with sewage a lot of the water in the uk is. today�*s campaign announcement from the liberal democrats is for this new clean water authority. it will have some quite tough powers, he says, tougher than the existing ofwat. scotland and northern ireland have their own regulation systems. he said it would ban water company bonuses, remove licenses, put environmental experts on the boards of water companies and set legally binding targets for how much sewage can be released into the environment. crucially, he said it join together the powers of lots of different authorities like the environment agency because he feels the problem is that water companies tend to play off these various regulators against each other and that we all get poorer water as a result. that is the campaign pitch today but as ever, with sir davey it is about getting attention for the liberal democrats in a crowded electoral space.— liberal democrats in a crowded electoral space. thank you very much. electoral space. thank you very much- let's _ electoral space. thank you very much. let's take _ electoral space. thank you very much. let's take you _ electoral space. thank you very much. let's take you back - electoral space. thank you very much. let's take you back to . electoral space. thank you very i much. let's take you back to the much. let�*s take you back to the green party. i5 much. let's take you back to the green party-— green party. is there a deeper roblem green party. is there a deeper problem of — green party. is there a deeper problem of anti-semitism - green party. is there a deeper i problem of anti-semitism within problem of anti—semitism within certain parts of the party or both? we heard rishi sunak went without sky tv as a child, what did you guys go without as children?— go without as children? thank you for the question. _ go without as children? thank you for the question. sorry, _ go without as children? thank you for the question. sorry, remind . go without as children? thank you | for the question. sorry, remind me forthe question. sorry, remind me ofthe _ forthe question. sorry, remind me ofthe first— forthe question. sorry, remind me of the first one. you distracted me with the _ of the first one. you distracted me with the amusement of the second one there! _ with the amusement of the second one there! ~ , :, with the amusement of the second one there! ~ , ., i. with the amusement of the second one there! ~ , :, ,, ~' with the amusement of the second one there! ~ , ., i. ,, .,, there! why do you think there has been a problem _ there! why do you think there has been a problem with _ there! why do you think there has been a problem with some - there! why do you think there has been a problem with some green | been a problem with some green candidates? tats been a problem with some green candidates?— been a problem with some green candidates? as carla said, we are standint candidates? as carla said, we are standing more — candidates? as carla said, we are standing more candidates - candidates? as carla said, we are standing more candidates in - candidates? as carla said, we are . standing more candidates in england and wales— standing more candidates in england and wales than the conservatives. we are 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than ever before and more prepared than _ election than ever before and more prepared than even _ election than ever before and more prepared than even the _ prepared than even the conservatives. - prepared than even the conservatives. you - prepared than even the i conservatives. you would prepared than even the - conservatives. you would they prepared than even the _ conservatives. you would they would know there _ conservatives. you would they would know there was — conservatives. you would they would know there was an _ conservatives. you would they would know there was an election. - conservatives. you would they would know there was an election. across i know there was an election. across this 574— know there was an election. across this 574 candidates, _ know there was an election. across this 574 candidates, there - know there was an election. across this 574 candidates, there have - know there was an election. across i this 574 candidates, there have been a four— this 574 candidates, there have been a four who _ this 574 candidates, there have been a four who were _ this 574 candidates, there have been a four who were originally— this 574 candidates, there have been a four who were originally put - a four who were originally put forward — a four who were originally put forward who _ a four who were originally put forward who are _ a four who were originally put forward who are now- a four who were originally put forward who are now not - a four who were originally put - forward who are now not standing as a result _ forward who are now not standing as a result of— forward who are now not standing as a result of questions _ forward who are now not standing as a result of questions that _ forward who are now not standing as a result of questions that were - a result of questions that were raised — a result of questions that were raised and _ a result of questions that were raised and that _ a result of questions that were raised and that were _ a result of questions that were raised and that were then - raised and that were then investigated _ raised and that were then investigated around - raised and that were thenl investigated around things raised and that were then - investigated around things that raised and that were then _ investigated around things that they had said _ investigated around things that they had said four— investigated around things that they had said. four outor_ investigated around things that they had said. four outor 574— investigated around things that they had said. four outor 574 so- investigated around things that they had said. four outor 574 so like - investigated around things that they had said. four outor 574 so like any| had said. four outor 574 so like any other— had said. four outor 574 so like any other party. — had said. four outor 574 so like any other party. if— had said. four outor 574 so like any other party, if issues _ had said. four outor 574 so like any other party, if issues are _ had said. four outor 574 so like any other party, if issues are raised, . other party, if issues are raised, those _ other party, if issues are raised, those are — other party, if issues are raised, those are investigated. - other party, if issues are raised, those are investigated. that - other party, if issues are raised, - those are investigated. that process happens _ those are investigated. that process happens independently— those are investigated. that process happens independently of— those are investigated. that process happens independently of the - those are investigated. that process happens independently of the partyl happens independently of the party leadership— happens independently of the party leadership and _ happens independently of the party leadership and those _ happens independently of the party leadership and those four - happens independently of the party. leadership and those four candidates have been— leadership and those four candidates have been replaced _ leadership and those four candidates have been replaced by— leadership and those four candidates have been replaced by other- have been replaced by other candidates _ have been replaced by other candidates so _ have been replaced by other candidates so we _ have been replaced by other candidates so we are - have been replaced by other candidates so we are now . have been replaced by other- candidates so we are now standing i’i l ht candidates so we are now standing right across — candidates so we are now standing right across the _ candidates so we are now standing right across the country. _ candidates so we are now standing right across the country. we - candidates so we are now standing right across the country. we are i right across the country. we are going _ right across the country. we are going into — right across the country. we are going into this— right across the country. we are going into this election - right across the country. we are going into this election bold - right across the country. we are going into this election bold and confident— going into this election bold and confident with _ going into this election bold and confident with our— going into this election bold and confident with our manifesto - going into this election bold and confident with our manifesto as| going into this election bold and . confident with our manifesto as we have announced _ confident with our manifesto as we have announced today, _ confident with our manifesto as we have announced today, candidates| have announced today, candidates i’i l ht have announced today, candidates right across — have announced today, candidates right across the _ have announced today, candidates right across the country _ have announced today, candidates right across the country and - have announced today, candidates right across the country and a - right across the country and a laser-like _ right across the country and a laser—like focus _ right across the country and a laser—like focus on _ right across the country and a laser—like focus on those - right across the country and a i laser—like focus on those seats where — laser—like focus on those seats where we — laser—like focus on those seats where we have _ laser—like focus on those seats where we have the _ laser—like focus on those seats where we have the fantastic. laser—like focus on those seats - where we have the fantastic chance of winning — where we have the fantastic chance of winning on— where we have the fantastic chance of winning on the _ where we have the fantastic chance of winning on the 4th _ where we have the fantastic chance of winning on the 4th of _ where we have the fantastic chance of winning on the 4th ofjuly, - of winning on the 4th ofjuly, particularly _ of winning on the 4th ofjuly, particularly in _ of winning on the 4th ofjuly, particularly in brighton, - of winning on the 4th ofjuly, i particularly in brighton, bristol central. — particularly in brighton, bristol central, waveney_ particularly in brighton, bristol central, waveney valley- particularly in brighton, bristol central, waveney valley and . particularly in brighton, bristol- central, waveney valley and north herefordshire _ central, waveney valley and north herefordshire where _ central, waveney valley and north herefordshire where we _ central, waveney valley and north herefordshire where we are - central, waveney valley and north i herefordshire where we are focusing our efforts— herefordshire where we are focusing our efforts on — herefordshire where we are focusing our efforts on the _ herefordshire where we are focusing our efforts on the ground _ herefordshire where we are focusing our efforts on the ground to - herefordshire where we are focusing our efforts on the ground to make . our efforts on the ground to make sure we _ our efforts on the ground to make sure we can — our efforts on the ground to make sure we can beat _ our efforts on the ground to make sure we can beat the _ our efforts on the ground to make sure we can beat the other- our efforts on the ground to make j sure we can beat the other parties and gavan — sure we can beat the other parties and gavan have _ sure we can beat the other parties and cavan have a _ sure we can beat the other parties and cavan have a group— sure we can beat the other parties and cavan have a group of- sure we can beat the other parties and cavan have a group of mps. sure we can beat the other parties and cavan have a group of mps in| sure we can beat the other parties. and cavan have a group of mps in the next parliament— and cavan have a group of mps in the next parliament to _ and cavan have a group of mps in the next parliament to push _ and cavan have a group of mps in the next parliament to push on _ and cavan have a group of mps in the next parliament to push on the - and cavan have a group of mps in the next parliament to push on the nexti next parliament to push on the next government— next parliament to push on the next government to — next parliament to push on the next government to be _ next parliament to push on the next government to be bolder— next parliament to push on the next government to be bolder weather. next parliament to push on the next| government to be bolder weather on the climate — government to be bolder weather on the climate crisis _ government to be bolder weather on the climate crisis or— government to be bolder weather on the climate crisis or on— government to be bolder weather on the climate crisis or on funding - government to be bolder weather on the climate crisis or on funding on i the climate crisis or on funding on our health— the climate crisis or on funding on our health services. _ the climate crisis or on funding on our health services.— the climate crisis or on funding on our health services. your question about sky tv- _ our health services. your question about sky tv- i— our health services. your question about sky tv. i also _ our health services. your question about sky tv. i also went - our health services. your question about sky tv. i also went without| about sky tv. i also went without sky tv~ _ about sky tv. i also went without sky tv. yeah, my family home had terrestrial — sky tv. yeah, my family home had terrestrial tv and my parents had second—hand cars. i am not trying to elicit— second—hand cars. i am not trying to elicit any— second—hand cars. i am not trying to elicit any tears here, i had a very comfortable childhood but certainly not a luxurious one. | comfortable childhood but certainly not a luxurious one.— not a luxurious one. i would say similar. not a luxurious one. i would say similar- i _ not a luxurious one. i would say similar. i had _ not a luxurious one. i would say similar. i had a _ not a luxurious one. i would say similar. i had a fairly _ not a luxurious one. i would say similar. i had a fairly modest. similar. i had a fairly modest upbringing. _ similar. i had a fairly modest upbringing. we— similar. i had a fairly modest upbringing, we had- similar. i had a fairly modest upbringing, we had what- similar. i had a fairly modest upbringing, we had what wel similar. i had a fairly modest- upbringing, we had what we needed. i went without — upbringing, we had what we needed. i went without a — upbringing, we had what we needed. i went without a pet _ upbringing, we had what we needed. i went without a pet for _ upbringing, we had what we needed. i went without a pet for a _ upbringing, we had what we needed. i went without a pet for a large - went without a pet for a large amount— went without a pet for a large amount of— went without a pet for a large amount of my— went without a pet for a large amount of my childhood - went without a pet for a large amount of my childhood until| amount of my childhood until eventually _ amount of my childhood until eventually persuaded - amount of my childhood until eventually persuaded my - amount of my childhood until. eventually persuaded my family otherwise _ eventually persuaded my family otherwise. but _ eventually persuaded my family otherwise. but did _ eventually persuaded my family otherwise. but did get- eventually persuaded my family otherwise. but did get there - eventually persuaded my family otherwise. but did get there in| eventually persuaded my family. otherwise. but did get there in the end. otherwise. but did get there in the end which — otherwise. but did get there in the end. which went _ otherwise. but did get there in the end. which went a _ otherwise. but did get there in the end. which went a long _ otherwise. but did get there in the end. which went a long way - otherwise. but did get there in the end. which went a long way in - otherwise. but did get there in the i end. which went a long way in terms of being _ end. which went a long way in terms of being an _ end. which went a long way in terms of being an animal— end. which went a long way in terms of being an animal lover. _ end. which went a long way in terms of being an animal lover. didn't- of being an animal lover. didn't have _ of being an animal lover. didn't have sky— of being an animal lover. didn't have sky tv _ of being an animal lover. didn't have sky tv either. _ of being an animal lover. didn't have sky tv either.— have sky tv either. one last question- — have sky tv either. one last question. you _ have sky tv either. one last question. you have - have sky tv either. one last question. you have said - have sky tv either. one last question. you have said you| have sky tv either. one last - question. you have said you want to scrap the police crime sentencing courts act and the public order act. would you repeal any sentences for climate protesters or penalties? personally i don�*t think it is right personally i don't think it is right for politicians to intervene in individual cases but we are clear that these — individual cases but we are clear that these bills that have been brought— that these bills that have been brought in by the conservative government over the last few years are disproportionate. the laws that we need _ are disproportionate. the laws that we need to— are disproportionate. the laws that we need to enforce peaceful protest were already there and the consequences of these more stricter legislation— consequences of these more stricter legislation restricts freedom of speech — legislation restricts freedom of speech. it restricts peaceful protests _ speech. it restricts peaceful protests which the greens, unlike other— protests which the greens, unlike other parties, are clear there is a role for— other parties, are clear there is a role for peaceful protest in a healthy _ role for peaceful protest in a healthy democracy and you only have to look— healthy democracy and you only have to look at _ healthy democracy and you only have to look at countries... applause you only have to look at countries where _ you only have to look at countries where protest is clamped down upon to see _ where protest is clamped down upon to see the _ where protest is clamped down upon to see the chilling effect that has on democracy and on society at large — on democracy and on society at larte. . ~' ,, on democracy and on society at larte. . ~ ,, ., on democracy and on society at larte. . ~ :, on democracy and on society at lane, ., ~' :, :. large. thank you to everyone for comint large. thank you to everyone for coming today- — large. thank you to everyone for coming today. after— large. thank you to everyone for coming today. after this - large. thank you to everyone for coming today. after this we - large. thank you to everyone for coming today. after this we will| coming today. after this we will have one photo opportunity. that gives us a minute or two... i think that the green party manifesto launch has officially finished. no more questions there for carla and adrian. a question about their childhood, interestingly. the green party manifesto has launched with plans to boost health care and spending on housing in this country, by spending £50 billion a year on health and social care. they also want to raise national insurance by 8% on people earning more than £50,000. they plan to introduce a 1% wealth tax on very rich people, those with assets over £10 million and 2% on those over £1 billion. lots to analyse and i know that our bbc verify and correspondence are all busy doing that right now but as we leave that green party manifesto launch, let�*s bring you some breaking news coming into us today. the home office has said it has offered to pay for additional private security for the reform leader and parliamentary candidate nigel farage. this after he was twice attacked whilst out campaigning injust eight he was twice attacked whilst out campaigning in just eight days. he was twice attacked whilst out campaigning injust eight days. the offer comes under a new scheme for candidates in elections which allows them to ask for funding for security at hustings and whilst out campaigning. candidates have been told the home office would consider requests for security on a case—by—case basis. if you�*re remember on the 4th ofjune, mr farage had a milkshake thrown at him as he left a pub in clacton—on—sea. on the 11th ofjune, yesterday, he had an object thrown at him as he travelled through barnsley in an open top bus. there has been growing safety concerns about mps and prospective mps after the murders of jo cox in 2016 and sir david amis in 2021. that is the latest on security for nigel farage. something that is offered to all candidates potentially if they put in a request for it. and the stipulations are met. we will have more on that later on. but let me ask you a question. how long do you think you could last without your smartphone? we followed a group of teenagers to see how they cope without their smartphones for five whole days. it is all part of a radio five live project and christian johnson wins radio five live project and christianjohnson wins them to see how they got on. on friday i received 479... some teenagers _ on friday i received 479... some teenagers are — on friday i received 479... some teenagers are pretty _ on friday i received 479... some teenagers are pretty glued - on friday i received 479... some teenagers are pretty glued to - on friday i received 479. .. some i teenagers are pretty glued to their phones. but this group of students are doing the unthinkable, locking them away for almost a week. no tiktok, no snapchat, no whatsapp. these are your new mobile phones. instead they will be using these for the next five days. the only way of communicating, texts and calls. this is weird, i don't _ communicating, texts and calls. this is weird, i don't like it. they - communicating, texts and calls. this is weird, i don't like it. they will - is weird, i don't like it. they will have to learn _ is weird, i don't like it. they will have to learn a _ is weird, i don't like it. they will have to learn a whole _ is weird, i don't like it. they will have to learn a whole new- is weird, i don't like it. they will have to learn a whole new set i is weird, i don't like it. they willj have to learn a whole new set of skills for the next week to be able to adapt and continue their life as close to what it used to be but with that mobile phone underpinning most of their activities, it will be a challenge. in of their activities, it will be a challenge-— of their activities, it will be a challente. :, , ., , challenge. in the morning usually i search the tram _ challenge. in the morning usually i search the tram times _ challenge. in the morning usually i search the tram times than - challenge. in the morning usually i search the tram times than i - challenge. in the morning usually i search the tram times than i know| challenge. in the morning usually i | search the tram times than i know i need _ search the tram times than i know i need to— search the tram times than i know i need to leave in five minutes, or i have _ need to leave in five minutes, or i have time — need to leave in five minutes, or i have time before i need to leave. without _ have time before i need to leave. without a — have time before i need to leave. without a phone i have no way of knowing — without a phone i have no way of knowing when the next tram will be. without _ knowing when the next tram will be. without which apps it is harder for ruby to meet up with friends. i feel! ruby to meet up with friends. i feel like i'm missing _ ruby to meet up with friends. i feel like i'm missing out _ ruby to meet up with friends. i feel like i'm missing out on _ ruby to meet up with friends. i feel like i'm missing out on social - like i'm missing out on social interactions. we have not organised anything _ interactions. we have not organised anything so — interactions. we have not organised anything so far. i interactions. we have not organised anything so far-— anything so far. i am 52 hours into the detox- — anything so far. i am 52 hours into the detox- l _ anything so far. i am 52 hours into the detox. i am _ anything so far. i am 52 hours into the detox. i am finding _ anything so far. i am 52 hours into the detox. i am finding it - anything so far. i am 52 hours into the detox. i am finding it ok. - anything so far. i am 52 hours into the detox. i am finding it ok. it. anything so far. i am 52 hours into the detox. i am finding it ok. it is| the detox. i am finding it ok. it is not difficult or anything. tetra the detox. i am finding it ok. it is not difficult or anything.— not difficult or anything. two days into the journey, _ not difficult or anything. two days into the journey, charlie - not difficult or anything. two days into the journey, charlie has - into thejourney, charlie has already given in to temptation. it�*s already given in to temptation. it's like having a comfort item that you have had _ like having a comfort item that you have had over— like having a comfort item that you have had over the _ like having a comfort item that you have had over the years _ like having a comfort item that you have had over the years and - like having a comfort item that you have had over the years and now i like having a comfort item that you have had over the years and now it| have had over the years and now it 'ust have had over the years and now it just goes~ — have had over the years and now it 'ust toes. :, , have had over the years and now it 'ust toes. ., , ., just goes. some others are struggling. _ just goes. some others are struggling, too. _ just goes. some others are struggling, too. not - just goes. some others are i struggling, too. not knowing just goes. some others are - struggling, too. not knowing what is ttoin on in struggling, too. not knowing what is going on in a — struggling, too. not knowing what is going on in a 9"°up _ struggling, too. not knowing what is going on in a group chat _ struggling, too. not knowing what is going on in a group chat makes - struggling, too. not knowing what is going on in a group chat makes me i going on in a group chat makes me think, what am i missing out on? most are focusing on the positives. i am noticing stuff around me which i am noticing stuff around me which i probably— i am noticing stuff around me which i probably should be noticing anyway but i i probably should be noticing anyway but i was _ i probably should be noticing anyway but i was probably too addicted to my phone — but i was probably too addicted to m hone. . . , but i was probably too addicted to m hone. , ., , but i was probably too addicted to m hone. ,,, my phone. usually i watch disney tlus for my phone. usually i watch disney plus for an _ my phone. usually i watch disney plus for an hour _ my phone. usually i watch disney plus for an hour and _ my phone. usually i watch disney plus for an hour and drift - my phone. usually i watch disney plus for an hour and drift off- my phone. usually i watch disney plus for an hour and drift off but i plus for an hour and drift off but since _ plus for an hour and drift off but since then— plus for an hour and drift off but since then i_ plus for an hour and drift off but since then i have _ plus for an hour and drift off but since then i have gone - plus for an hour and drift off but since then i have gone straighti plus for an hour and drift off but. since then i have gone straight to sleep _ since then i have gone straight to sleep and — since then i have gone straight to sleep and it— since then i have gone straight to sleep and it is— since then i have gone straight to sleep and it is weird. _ since then i have gone straight to sleep and it is weird.— sleep and it is weird. feels much better. sleep and it is weird. feels much better- the _ sleep and it is weird. feels much better. the more _ sleep and it is weird. feels much better. the more time _ sleep and it is weird. feels much better. the more time goes - sleep and it is weird. feels much better. the more time goes on, | sleep and it is weird. feels much | better. the more time goes on, it becomes easier to think of things to do because you don�*t have your phone. do because you don't have your hone. ~ �* . :, , do because you don't have your hone. ~ fl :, , :, do because you don't have your hone. ~ �*, ., , ., .«r , phone. will's 'ourney home takes over an phone. will's journey home takes over an hour. _ phone. will's journey home takes over an hour. a _ phone. will's journey home takes over an hour. a tram _ phone. will's journey home takes over an hour. a tram first - phone. will's journey home takes over an hour. a tram first then . phone. will's journey home takes over an hour. a tram first then a | over an hour. a tram first then a bus. in over an hour. a tram first then a bus. . :, over an hour. a tram first then a bus. , ., ., ., ., bus. in terms of not having a smartphone, _ bus. in terms of not having a smartphone, it _ bus. in terms of not having a smartphone, it makes - bus. in terms of not having a smartphone, it makes it - bus. in terms of not having a l smartphone, it makes it more difficult because i can�*t check the timetable and when it is delayed or something i can at least ring my dad and asked for a lift.— and asked for a lift. will's mum alison admits _ and asked for a lift. will's mum alison admits not _ and asked for a lift. will's mum alison admits not being - and asked for a lift. will's mum alison admits not being able . and asked for a lift. will's mum alison admits not being able to j and asked for a lift. will's mum - alison admits not being able to use tracking apps is a hindrance but she has noticed a big changes in her son just three days into the detox. actually quite nice seeing you without — actually quite nice seeing you without headphones. i don't see you that much— without headphones. i don't see you that much normally. i think it has 'ust that much normally. i think it has just become the norm whereas actual social— just become the norm whereas actual social interaction does require you to put— social interaction does require you to put these things away and engage a little _ to put these things away and engage a little bit _ to put these things away and engage a little bit more. five to put these things away and engage a little bit more.— a little bit more. five days later, it is the end _ a little bit more. five days later, it is the end of _ a little bit more. five days later, it is the end of term _ a little bit more. five days later, it is the end of term and - a little bit more. five days later, it is the end of term and time . a little bit more. five days later, it is the end of term and time to | it is the end of term and time to get those smartphones back. maybe i will tut m get those smartphones back. maybe i will put my phone _ get those smartphones back. maybe i will put my phone away _ get those smartphones back. maybe i will put my phone away in _ get those smartphones back. maybe i will put my phone away in the - get those smartphones back. maybe i will put my phone away in the car - will put my phone away in the car and put my phone away when around friends, but in general, going on tiktok and everything, i will still do that. if anything, i will do it more now. it do that. if anything, i will do it more now— more now. it has been difficult without a _ more now. it has been difficult without a smartphone - more now. it has been difficult without a smartphone but - more now. it has been difficult without a smartphone but i. more now. it has been difficult i without a smartphone but i have managed — without a smartphone but i have managed to get through it all right. i will managed to get through it all right. i will try— managed to get through it all right. i will try to — managed to get through it all right. i will try to less of tiktok, that's for sure — i will try to less of tiktok, that's for sure. , , , i will try to less of tiktok, that's for sure. i , , ., for sure. judging by their initial reaction, perhaps _ for sure. judging by their initial reaction, perhaps the - for sure. judging by their initial reaction, perhaps the students| for sure. judging by their initial. reaction, perhaps the students are not quite ready to give up their smartphones entirely, but the detox might start to slowly change their habits. christianjohnson, bbc news. props to those teenagers. let�*s cross live to lucy gray in warrington. lucy, isee cross live to lucy gray in warrington. lucy, i see you cross live to lucy gray in warrington. lucy, isee you have cross live to lucy gray in warrington. lucy, i see you have a couple with you who are, have they got smartphones of them or not? i am with trace got smartphones of them or not? i am with grace and — got smartphones of them or not? i am with grace and nell— got smartphones of them or not? i —n with grace and nell who took part in that detox. they stopped their smartphones for these. grace did her best. it is fair to say it was tricky, wasn�*t it? tell me how much you are on your phone before you took part in the detox? tao you are on your phone before you took part in the detox? too much. i would say above _ took part in the detox? too much. i would say above average, - took part in the detox? too much. i would say above average, like - took part in the detox? too much. i would say above average, like 12 . would say above average, like 12 hours _ would say above average, like 12 hours a — would say above average, like 12 hours a day, ten hours a day. even in lessons? _ hours a day, ten hours a day. even in lessons? yeah, _ hours a day, ten hours a day. even in lessons? yeah, i _ hours a day, ten hours a day. even in lessons? yeah, i would - hours a day, ten hours a day. even in lessons? yeah, i would still- hours a day, ten hours a day. even in lessons? yeah, i would still be. in lessons? yeah, i would still be on my phone- _ in lessons? yeah, i would still be on my phone. it's— in lessons? yeah, i would still be on my phone. it's really - in lessons? yeah, i would still be on my phone. it's really bad. - on my phone. it's really bad. sometimes i wish i didn't ever get one _ sometimes i wish i didn't ever get one. ., sometimes i wish i didn't ever get one. :, . sometimes i wish i didn't ever get one. ., , ., sometimes i wish i didn't ever get one. :, . ., , ., , one. you listen to your earphones under your— one. you listen to your earphones under your hair. _ one. you listen to your earphones under your hair. everyone - one. you listen to your earphones under your hair. everyone doesn'tj under your hair. everyone doesn't ta under your hair. everyone doesn't pay attention- _ under your hair. everyone doesn't pay attention. your _ under your hair. everyone doesn't pay attention. your teachers - under your hair. everyone doesn't pay attention. your teachers will| under your hair. everyone doesn't i pay attention. your teachers will be lookint for pay attention. your teachers will be looking for this. _ pay attention. your teachers will be looking for this. it _ pay attention. your teachers will be looking for this. it was _ pay attention. your teachers will be looking for this. it was difficult. - looking for this. it was difficult. took me through how it was from day one and five whole days. i took me through how it was from day one and five whole days.— one and five whole days. i think they won. _ one and five whole days. i think they won. the _ one and five whole days. i think they won, the initial _ one and five whole days. i think they won, the initial reaction . one and five whole days. i think they won, the initial reaction of| they won, the initial reaction of everyone — they won, the initial reaction of everyone getting _ they won, the initial reaction of everyone getting their- they won, the initial reaction of everyone getting their phones i they won, the initial reaction of - everyone getting their phones taken off them. _ everyone getting their phones taken off them, everyone _ everyone getting their phones taken off them, everyone was _ everyone getting their phones taken off them, everyone was like, - everyone getting their phones taken off them, everyone was like, oh, . everyone getting their phones taken| off them, everyone was like, oh, my .od! off them, everyone was like, oh, my god! what _ off them, everyone was like, oh, my god! what am — off them, everyone was like, oh, my god! what am i_ off them, everyone was like, oh, my god! what am i going _ off them, everyone was like, oh, my god! what am i going to _ off them, everyone was like, oh, my god! what am i going to do? - off them, everyone was like, oh, my god! what am i going to do? we - off them, everyone was like, oh, my. god! what am i going to do? we were all laughing. — god! what am i going to do? we were all laughing, calling _ god! what am i going to do? we were all laughing, calling everyone - god! what am i going to do? we were all laughing, calling everyone at - all laughing, calling everyone at the table. — all laughing, calling everyone at the table. give _ all laughing, calling everyone at the table, give me _ all laughing, calling everyone at the table, give me your- all laughing, calling everyone at| the table, give me your number! all laughing, calling everyone at - the table, give me your number! we had a _ the table, give me your number! we had a few— the table, give me your number! we had a few games _ the table, give me your number! we had a few games on _ the table, give me your number! we had a few games on it, _ the table, give me your number! we had a few games on it, and - the table, give me your number! we had a few games on it, and then - had a few games on it, and then after— had a few games on it, and then after i _ had a few games on it, and then after i saw— had a few games on it, and then after i saw the _ had a few games on it, and then after i saw the teacher— had a few games on it, and then after i saw the teacher coming i had a few games on it, and then. after i saw the teacher coming in, the realisation _ after i saw the teacher coming in, the realisation sank _ after i saw the teacher coming in, the realisation sank in. _ after i saw the teacher coming in, the realisation sank in.— the realisation sank in. what did ou do? the realisation sank in. what did you do? a _ the realisation sank in. what did you do? a range _ the realisation sank in. what did you do? a range of— the realisation sank in. what did you do? a range of things. - the realisation sank in. what did you do? a range of things. you. you do? a range of things. you really get _ you do? a range of things. you really get into _ you do? a range of things. you really get into the _ you do? a range of things. you really get into the creative - you do? a range of things. you . really get into the creative things. i did really get into the creative things. i did a _ really get into the creative things. i did a lot — really get into the creative things. i did a lot of art. i tried to listen _ i did a lot of art. i tried to listen to— i did a lot of art. i tried to listen to music on alexa. and i watched — listen to music on alexa. and i watched a _ listen to music on alexa. and i watched a lot of tv and shows, but i don't _ watched a lot of tv and shows, but i don't know — watched a lot of tv and shows, but i don't know. did watched a lot of tv and shows, but i don't know— don't know. did you miss out on anything? _ don't know. did you miss out on anything? no- _ don't know. did you miss out on anything? no- i— don't know. did you miss out on anything? no. i don't— don't know. did you miss out on anything? no. i don't think- don't know. did you miss out on anything? no. i don't think i - don't know. did you miss out on - anything? no. i don't think! missed out on that— anything? no. i don't think! missed out on that much _ anything? no. i don't think! missed out on that much because _ anything? no. i don't think! missed out on that much because lots - anything? no. i don't think! missed out on that much because lots of. out on that much because lots of people _ out on that much because lots of people that week weren't doing anything but i did get a bit of fear of missing — anything but i did get a bit of fear of missing out. you anything but i did get a bit of fear of missing out.— of missing out. you had better conversations _ of missing out. you had better conversations with _ of missing out. you had better conversations with your - of missing out. you had better conversations with your dad, i | conversations with your dad, i understand. tell me about that. shout out to my dad! i remember i just. _ shout out to my dad! i remember i just. he _ shout out to my dad! i remember i just. he kept— shout out to my dad! i remember i just, he kept bothering _ shout out to my dad! i remember i just, he kept bothering because . shout out to my dad! i remember i just, he kept bothering because i. just, he kept bothering because i had no _ just, he kept bothering because i had no phone. _ just, he kept bothering because i had no phone, no— just, he kept bothering because i had no phone, no distractions. . just, he kept bothering because i had no phone, no distractions. ii had no phone, no distractions. i 'ust had no phone, no distractions. i just thought. _ had no phone, no distractions. i just thought, let _ had no phone, no distractions. i just thought, let me _ had no phone, no distractions. i just thought, let me go - had no phone, no distractions. i just thought, let me go botheri had no phone, no distractions. i- just thought, let me go bother him. what _ just thought, let me go bother him. what did _ just thought, let me go bother him. what did you — just thought, let me go bother him. what did you learn _ just thought, let me go bother him. what did you learn about _ just thought, let me go bother him. what did you learn about him? - just thought, let me go bother him. what did you learn about him? he i what did you learn about him? he told me that he and two of my uncles used to— told me that he and two of my uncles used to be _ told me that he and two of my uncles used to be in— told me that he and two of my uncles used to be in a— told me that he and two of my uncles used to be in a dance _ told me that he and two of my uncles used to be in a dance group - told me that he and two of my uncles used to be in a dance group and - told me that he and two of my uncles used to be in a dance group and he i used to be in a dance group and he didn't— used to be in a dance group and he didn't do— used to be in a dance group and he didn't do his— used to be in a dance group and he didn't do his gcses _ used to be in a dance group and he didn't do his gcses because - used to be in a dance group and he didn't do his gcses because he - used to be in a dance group and hej didn't do his gcses because he was travelling _ didn't do his gcses because he was travelling with _ didn't do his gcses because he was travelling with that _ didn't do his gcses because he was travelling with that dance - didn't do his gcses because he was travelling with that dance group. ii travelling with that dance group. i didn't— travelling with that dance group. i didn't know— travelling with that dance group. i didn't know any— travelling with that dance group. i didn't know any of _ travelling with that dance group. i didn't know any of this _ travelling with that dance group. i didn't know any of this and - travelling with that dance group. i didn't know any of this and i- travelling with that dance group. i| didn't know any of this and i found out he _ didn't know any of this and i found out he was — didn't know any of this and i found out he was so _ didn't know any of this and i found out he was so interesting. - didn't know any of this and i found out he was so interesting. he - didn't know any of this and i found out he was so interesting. he told| out he was so interesting. he told me he _ out he was so interesting. he told me he used — out he was so interesting. he told me he used to _ out he was so interesting. he told me he used to be _ out he was so interesting. he told me he used to be a _ out he was so interesting. he told me he used to be a world - out he was so interesting. he told me he used to be a world title - out he was so interesting. he told . me he used to be a world title boxer and dj~ _ me he used to be a world title boxer and dj. not — me he used to be a world title boxer and dj. not having _ me he used to be a world title boxer and dj. not having a _ me he used to be a world title boxer and dj. not having a phone - me he used to be a world title boxer and dj. not having a phone has - me he used to be a world title boxerl and dj. not having a phone has made me realise _ and dj. not having a phone has made me realise my— and dj. not having a phone has made me realise my dad _ and dj. not having a phone has made me realise my dad is _ and dj. not having a phone has made me realise my dad is actually - and dj. not having a phone has made me realise my dad is actually cool - me realise my dad is actually cool which _ me realise my dad is actually cool which i _ me realise my dad is actually cool which i never— me realise my dad is actually cool which i never thought. _ me realise my dad is actually cool which i never thought.— me realise my dad is actually cool which i never thought. saying it on the telly now _ which i never thought. saying it on the telly now as _ which i never thought. saying it on the telly now as well. _ which i never thought. saying it on the telly now as well. so _ which i never thought. saying it on the telly now as well. so brilliant. | the telly now as well. so brilliant. now, what about you? what are you doing now that is different? mt; doing now that is different? my screen time has gone down a lot and i'm screen time has gone down a lot and l'm iust _ screen time has gone down a lot and i'm just starting to think, 0k, i'm just starting to think, ok, let's— i'm just starting to think, ok, let's do— i'm just starting to think, ok, let's do things that are productive and would — let's do things that are productive and would benefit me genuinely. we sat on— and would benefit me genuinely. we sat on my— and would benefit me genuinely. we sat on my phone for three hours at a time, _ sat on my phone for three hours at a time. like. _ sat on my phone for three hours at a time, like, how is that benefiting me? _ time, like, how is that benefiting me? . . time, like, how is that benefiting me? ,, ., , ., , time, like, how is that benefiting me? ,, ., i. , . me? shall i give you this back? ok. massive difference _ me? shall i give you this back? ok. massive difference in _ me? shall i give you this back? ok. massive difference in terms - me? shall i give you this back? ok. massive difference in terms of - me? shall i give you this back? ok. massive difference in terms of what j massive difference in terms of what you realise about yourself and one person has found out they have a cool dad. so there is some result in all of this. , cool dad. so there is some result in all of this. ~, ., ~ cool dad. so there is some result in all of this. , . ~' i. cool dad. so there is some result in all of this. ~, ., ,, i. ~, all of this. lucy, thank you. lucy talkint all of this. lucy, thank you. lucy talking to _ all of this. lucy, thank you. lucy talking to a _ all of this. lucy, thank you. lucy talking to a couple _ all of this. lucy, thank you. lucy talking to a couple of _ all of this. lucy, thank you. lucy talking to a couple of students i all of this. lucy, thank you. lucy i talking to a couple of students who have lived without their phone. how did they cope? it seems like they did. now, let�*s talk to you about the weather in spain. heavy rainfall has meant flights have been unable to take off from majorca�*s airport because of flooding. eyewitnesses describe chaotic scenes with passengers running for cover from the water pouring through the roof. here was our reporter. heavy rain, heavy flooding. a storm because nearly nine centimetres of rain to fall in less than an hour in majorca. this is spain�*s third biggest airport. passengers were not able to enter or leave the terminal building and officials activated an emergency plan and temporarily re—routed flights to other airports because of the impossibility of operating safely. i because of the impossibility of operating safely.— operating safely. i got the notification _ operating safely. i got the notification that _ operating safely. i got the notification that my - operating safely. i got the notification that my flight | operating safely. i got the . notification that my flight got cancelled. it should have been in the evening and now we are checking for other options that go to germany. it for other options that go to germany-— for other options that go to german . .,, , .., . germany. it has been cancelled apparently- _ germany. it has been cancelled apparently- i— germany. it has been cancelled apparently. i was _ germany. it has been cancelled apparently. i was going - germany. it has been cancelled apparently. i was going on - germany. it has been cancelled apparently. i was going on a . apparently. i was going on a business _ apparently. i was going on a business trip.— apparently. i was going on a business trip. apparently. i was going on a business trit. , ., business trip. last year, some 31 million people — business trip. last year, some 31 million people passed _ business trip. last year, some 31 million people passed through i business trip. last year, some 31 i million people passed through this airport�*s doors are now with fights resuming, operation clean—up can begin. now time for a look at the weather. hello. it is another fairly cool day for this stage in the middle ofjune. fairly cloudy as well. there will be some sunshine breaking through across western parts of the uk and although there�*ll be fewer showers than we had yesterday, there�*ll still be one or two cropping up, mainly towards the east. now, most of the showers are easing away because we�*ve got this ridge of higher pressure. so that�*s going to bring us a window of slightly quieter weather out there, at least for a day or so. we�*ve still got relatively cool air with us coming in from a northwesterly direction. milder air waiting in the wings out towards the west, but with it some rain as well. but for the bulk of the uk, today�*s a predominantly dry day. you can see a few showers for eastern scotland, the eastern side of england as well. not as many as yesterday. west is best in terms of sunshine. so more blue sky developing towards wales, south west of england, western scotland as well. but look at those temperatures, mid—teens for most of us. we�*re about three to five degrees below average, up to about 17 in the warmest spots towards the south. now, overnight tonight, the cloud gets pushed away towards the east. so, clear skies tonight. one or two misty patches, but it will be a cold night, especially for some central and eastern areas. temperatures in our towns and cities down to about six or seven. but i think in the countryside, particularly eastern scotland, we could be down to about two degrees. slightly milder towards the west because of this frontal system is approaching. so that will bring cloud initially, then outbreaks of rain, which will push their way slowly eastwards through the day. so, clouding over quickly for northern ireland, wales, south west of england. the rain arrives and the winds are going to pick up. could be really quite blustery with gusts about 40, even 50 miles an hour around some exposed coasts, and also hills towards the west. eastern scotland, eastern england, i think staying dry until at least after dark for some of us. and those temperatures starting to creep up perhaps a degree or so. it could be 18 degrees in the warmest spots for instance. so still a little below par, but not as chilly as recent days. so then we are into friday and we�*ve got low pressure in charge. you can see more showery rain rotating around that area of low pressure. in the sunshinem in between the showers, should feel relatively pleasant. not quite as chilly as it was as we started the week, but we�*ve still got that low pressure bringing that really unsettled theme as we head through the weekend. saturday and sunday, low pressure sitting right across the uk. so, yes, showery rain at times through the course of the weekend, but there�*ll be some warm spells of sunshine in between the showers, and those temperatures probablyjust creeping up by a degree or two through the weekend. bye— bye. live from london. this is bbc news. the green party delivers its election manifesto for england and wales — pledging tax increases to front investment in health and social care. liberal democrat leader ed davey jumps back in to campaigning — pledging to replace water industry watchdog ofwat with a new regulator. meanwhile labour is promising to front councils to repair up to a million potholes a year — in england. defence secretary grant shapps has warned of what he cold a labour �*super—majority�* — saying it would be dangerous for the country. new gdp figures reveal no growth in britain�*s economy in april — with wet weather partly to blame. pledges to invest tens of billions of pounds in public services and clean energy are at the heart of the green party�*s election manifesto, which has just been launched. the money would come from increased taxes on higher earners and the most wealthy. the parties�* co—leaders said the greens represented "real change" and would "invest to mend broken britain". our manifesto lays out a bold but simple plan to bring our water companies, railways and the big five retail energy companies into public ownership. this would end the rip—off of rising bills, appalling service and shareholders transferring millions. we would restore our ailing high streets, too, urban and rural, and recognise their value to the committees they serve by investing in support for small and medium—sized businesses. we would overhaul our tax system to make it fairer stop at the heart of this would be a tax on the very richest, the top 1% of people, requiring them to pay a bit more into the pot. joining me is green party deputy leader zack polanski. good to talk to you, things for joining us, how do you think it went? it joining us, how do you think it went? . . joining us, how do you think it went? ., , ., , , went? it has gone brilliantly. this manifesto is _ went? it has gone brilliantly. this manifesto is presenting _ went? it has gone brilliantly. this manifesto is presenting real- went? it has gone brilliantly. this manifesto is presenting real hopej manifesto is presenting real hope and will change. after 14 years of conservative government and a labour party that is just opposing so many of the key issues, people are saying they are looking for that future labour government that we are likely to get to be bolder, more effective and we need that handful of green mps in westminster, elected to push for these green policies that are in our manifesto today. things like investing in the nhs, making sure we are cleaning up the waterways, removing sewage, and crucially, building and creating council homes that this country needs. all of those things are in the manifesto and it has been beautiful to lunch today. and it has been beautiful to lunch toda . ., �* and it has been beautiful to lunch toda . :, �* . ~' and it has been beautiful to lunch toda. ., �* ., ,, ., today. you're talking about getting list done in part _ today. you're talking about getting list done in part by _ today. you're talking about getting list done in part by introducing - today. you're talking about getting list done in part by introducing a i list done in part by introducing a wealth tax on the very rich but speaking to experts and people who look into these things, getting anything solid from a wealth tax is extreme difficult indeed, hard to find value, hard to find exactly where the wealth is and also you find that people leave the country if they are extreme wealthy and they worry they are going to get taxed. you sure that is going to happen? it is important to talk to experts so we have been speaking to the wealth tax commission and also patriotic millionaires, group and the uk who said they want to be taxed more. we are asking for a tiny amount really, are asking for a tiny amount really, a 1% tax on those who earn £10 million or more. this would raise 50% -- 50 to £70 million or more. this would raise 50% —— 50 to £70 million. i think we should be more patriotically and say people investing and living in this country because of family, culture and history, if people are investing here just as a deposit for well, thatis here just as a deposit for well, that is a misunderstanding of how people want to invest in our public services, our nhs, our education, having a police force that is not over policing and under policing marginalised committees. these things can be taken holistically and it is about making sure people have the broader soldiers are paying back into our system. for labour and conservative, they are in a conspiracy of silence where they said they won�*t put this investment in but we know how much our public services need the investment. only the green party will be honest with you about that. but the green party will be honest with you about that.— the green party will be honest with you about that. but you are choosing a tax that is — you about that. but you are choosing a tax that is much _ you about that. but you are choosing a tax that is much tougher _ you about that. but you are choosing a tax that is much tougher to - you about that. but you are choosing a tax that is much tougher to get - you about that. but you are choosing a tax that is much tougher to get a i a tax that is much tougher to get a hold on, rather than taxes that are much easier, like a capital gains tax? ~ . much easier, like a capital gains tax? . ., ., ., ~' much easier, like a capital gains tax? ., ., ., ,, tax? we are also talking about ca-ital tax? we are also talking about capital gains — tax? we are also talking about capital gains tax, _ tax? we are also talking about capital gains tax, we _ tax? we are also talking about capital gains tax, we want - tax? we are also talking about capital gains tax, we want to i tax? we are also talking about. capital gains tax, we want to bring that in line with income tax. it is not right that people are taxed on earned income but i will not shrug away from saying, yes, we want to tax multimillionaires and billionaires in this country who have benefited from this country, to paper puppets services which by the way will be better for the richest in our country, too, we all benefit from a more equal society. the more people i speak to, the more that say they support that policy, including they support that policy, including the milliners themselves.- the milliners themselves. that's talk about the _ the milliners themselves. that's talk about the carbon _ the milliners themselves. that's talk about the carbon tax. - the milliners themselves. that's talk about the carbon tax. you i the milliners themselves. that's i talk about the carbon tax. you say you will have to pump £40 billion a year to shift to the green economy over the course of the next parliament. that will be a tax that everyone is going to have to pay during a time when everyone is going through a cost of living crisis. everything we do in one way or another involves. fuels so that will be encouraging a charge, is it not? your question is the direct opposite. the solution to the cost of living crisis and the climate crisis are very often the same thing. you mentioned in slitting homes, let�*s take that, if we insulate every single home in britain that needs it in the next ten years, which is why we are pledging this £29 billion, more than the labour party were even pledging before they pledge that. as a triple win, it reduces bills. we have some of the luckiest homes in europe and it is important we keep bills down. it is also good for the climate crisis because it reduces emissions but crucially it creates good, clean jobs which are the industries we need to be investing in because that is the future of our country. alongside what we are looking to do in welfare and supporting those in the lowest incomes, all those measures altogether mean that the polluter pays whilst we are protecting those who really need it. let�*s talk about anti—semitism because a small number of your party been accused of anti—semitism and they have been removed but this is a black cloud hanging over the green party, isn�*t it? tats black cloud hanging over the green party. isn't it?— party, isn't it? as ajewish person in british politics _ party, isn't it? as ajewish person in british politics and _ party, isn't it? as ajewish person in british politics and only - party, isn't it? as ajewish person in british politics and only one - party, isn't it? as ajewish person in british politics and only one of| in british politics and only one of five people who have ever been in leadership positions, i take this release racially. anti—semitism is not acceptable. i also accept that a small number of cases, we are standing a 574 candidates for the selection. that is one candidate in nearly every single seat in england and wales, more than the conservatives. for cases is for cases to many but i think we need to get this into perspective. i am really proud of the position the green party have taken on gaza, we have called for a bilateral ceasefire, a release of the hostages and an end to the arms sale to israel to italy important as a jewish person, i am clear there is a big difference between those who are anti—semitic, which can never be tolerated, those who could sisal israel, which we only to do right now as people are being massacred in palestine and we need to stand for peace and international solidarity. the green party will admit that it is not going to work through the doors of number ten, why should people vote for you?— doors of number ten, why should people vote for you? yes, we are not ex-ected people vote for you? yes, we are not expected to — people vote for you? yes, we are not expected to be _ people vote for you? yes, we are not expected to be the _ people vote for you? yes, we are not expected to be the next _ people vote for you? yes, we are not expected to be the next government| expected to be the next government but we are expecting to be a handful of green mps who can hold that next government to account, to make sure that we are the only party who will defend the nhs. we have talked about tax today, that is a way to get the investment that the nhs needs. on rivers and sewage and making sure thatis rivers and sewage and making sure that is not being pumped into our rivers, where the party people can trust on the environment on the climate. more than anything, we are the party that will speak with authenticity, he will hold truth to power, speak for real hope and change. there is a democratic grassroots movement and we are saying to everyone, whether you joined the party among the go or after this interview, this is the party who are building a grassroots movement in this country that is democratic and will hold a future government to account, stand up for everyone but particularly marginalised committees. let�*s look at some of those claims made in the green manifesto launch. let�*s speak to my colleague, ben. where asking the same questions of all the parties and their election manifestos this week. today, what is in the green party manifesto and does it at up? they are keen spending pledge is £50 billion extra per yearfor health and spending pledge is £50 billion extra per year for health and social care board to pay for it, and increase in taxes which they say would raise up to £70 billion. so, which taxes should go up? among them art national insurance, capital gains tax, carbon taxes and a wealth tax, a new wealth tax which they say will raise 50 berlin pounds. let�*s focus on this last one. the greens say it would be levied at a rate of 1% on the assets of people with more than 10 billion pounds in assets under 2% on those with more than £1 billion in assets. with that work? a lot would depend on the design of this wealth tax on some tax experts are sceptical that it would raise the amount claimed year after year. but the wealth tax expert at the university of warwickjudges that aiming to raise the total amount of new tracks over £50 million including from new wealth taxes is economically credible although the merits of doing so are of course a matterfor merits of doing so are of course a matter for voters. merits of doing so are of course a matterforvoters. it merits of doing so are of course a matterfor voters. it is merits of doing so are of course a matter for voters. it is also worth putting the size of the green party�*s manifesto in the context of other parties we have heard from so far. here is the liberal democrats with £27 billion of tax rises and additional spending. with £27 billion of tax rises and additionalspending. here with £27 billion of tax rises and additional spending. here is the conservatives, £18 billion, that is mainly tax cuts. the greens tower over that with £70 billion of tax rises and new spending. they say they are being more radical because they are being more radical because they are being more radical because they are being more honest about the scale of the economic challenges facing the country. their opponents will say they are doing it to distinction themselves and because they would be unlikely to form the next government. labour�*s tax and spending him at mince are excited to be smaller and these so we will find that out tomorrow and we will of course be here to bring you full analysis. now to the conservative campaign as ministers appear to be considering they are heading for defeat, warning of a labour supermajority with the defence secretary grant shapps who today said it would be very bad news for the country if sir keir starmer was able to enter number ten with his power unchecked by parliament. let�*s cross live and speak to particle correspondence who is on the campaign trail with the conservatives. what exactly did grant shapps say and how does it change the tone of the campaign for the tories was not? it is change the tone of the campaign for the tories was not?— the tories was not? it is a significant _ the tories was not? it is a significant change - the tories was not? it is a significant change in - the tories was not? it is a | significant change in tone, the tories was not? it is a - significant change in tone, grant shapps saying this morning that, warning against giving labour a supermajority and saying it would be dangerous if keir starmer went into number ten with power unchecked. that is a significant shift, the argument appears to be that voters should back the conservatives not to get a conservative government but to limit the size of a labour victory. i am on the conservative campaign bus, we are heading to the north—east of lincolnshire where the prime minister is campaigning today. yesterday we heard his manifesto and today rishi sunak taking that out on the road. we havejust had a prime minister who spoke to us and he denied he was giving up, absolutely not, when asked if this was him acknowledging that the conservatives would not win. he repeated his claim that offering your storm was offering a blank cheque and he said he was fighting hard for every vote. as always, you can get the very latest on what is happening in the campaign on the bbc�*s website on bb sinews. this is the life page, updated minute by minute by our correspondence who are analysing and talking about what we have heard today and some very interesting analysis has just hit our page from our health editor, he says the green party plans include significant investment in the nhs and social care. he quotes a £28 billion a year for nhs england alone by 2030. he then goes on to say this year, that budget is around 106 to five billion and would be expected to increase each year anyway because of inflation and increase patient demand. the green party manifesto talked also about raising national insurance, about taxes on those who fly, critically within the uk. as always, you can go to the website for all the latest on what is happening there. you�*re watching bbc news. i think it is legitimate to say the country does not function well when you get majorities the size of players or even bigger. our manifesto is based on investing to mend broken britain and offer real hope and real change. labour are talking about their plan for motorists ahead of tomorrow�*s manifesto launch, and ed davey is in deep water again. and a stark warning for politicians about trust. we are now less trusting, less confident in our system of government than we have been at any point during the last 40 or 50 years. joining us today, former attorney general, conservative sir geoffrey cox, labour�*s dame margaret hodge, the general secretary of the rmt, mick lynch and the editor of city am andy silvester. this is politics live — election 2024. welcome to viewers on bbc2, bbc iplayer & bbc news let�*s start with the headline on bbc news, the uk economy fails to grow during wet april. gdp figures out today show exactly that, the office for national statistics reporting no growth for the month which was

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