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of reunion and relief, with children in particular the focus of worldwide attention. for the families still waiting, now the question �*what are the chances that further negotiations can yield a breakthrough?�* so far, 110 israeli hostages held by hamas have been freed and 240 palestinians have been released from israeli prisons. these were mostly women, children and teenagers, and in this programme, we want to put the names, faces and stories to those numbers. in that spirt, on tuesday, 84—year—old ditza heiman, one of the founders of kibbutz nir oz in israel was released. she is a former social worker and also the widow of a holocaust survivor who came to the uk on the kindertransport. sisters dafna and ela el—yakim were freed on sunday after being taken from their father's home, also on kibbutz nir oz. their mother shared this photo of their reunion, writing, "my precious daughters were returned to me yesterday, a moment etched forever in my memory." emily hand, who turned nine while in captivity, was released last saturday. her father told cnn that she is pale, has lost weight and now whispers because she was �*conditioned not to make any noise.�* and siblings 16—year—old aisha and 18—year—old bilal zyadna were among the six hostages released on thursday after 55 days in captivity. their father and older brother are still being held by hamas. now, for many the return home does not mean a return to normal. many hostages carry not just the psychical scars if their time in captivity, but the pychological ones, too. yesterday, my colleague caitriona perry spoke to the ceo of the schneider children�*s medical center of israel about the condition of some of their youngest patients, released from capitivity. we don�*t want to infringe on anyone�*s privacy obviously but can you tell us in a general way what sort of condition that people are when they arrive with you, the women and children?— with you, the women and children? �*, , , children? it's very sad because i tried to put — children? it's very sad because i tried to put it _ children? it's very sad because i tried to put it into _ children? it's very sad because i tried to put it into words, - i tried to put it into words, the — i tried to put it into words, the images that i see once they -et the images that i see once they get to— the images that i see once they get to our— the images that i see once they get to our hospital, and i would _ get to our hospital, and i would say when they come, they don't _ would say when they come, they don't really look like children, i would say they look more — children, i would say they look more like _ children, i would say they look more like shadows of children. kind _ more like shadows of children. kind of— more like shadows of children. kind of hollow children. they have — kind of hollow children. they have no_ kind of hollow children. they have no impression on their face, _ have no impression on their face, not _ have no impression on their face, not sad, not happy, just no impression, they hardly speak, _ no impression, they hardly speak, they are very quiet, if they— speak, they are very quiet, if they do— speak, they are very quiet, if they do speak, it's very very quiet. — they do speak, it's very very quiet. the _ they do speak, it's very very quiet, the same with the mothers, qc mothers with their chitdreh— mothers, qc mothers with their children hugging them, not even one centimetre away from them, still very— one centimetre away from them, still very very worried, and it takes — still very very worried, and it takes them quite a while to really— takes them quite a while to really believe that they are no longer — really believe that they are no longer in _ really believe that they are no longer in a place that might hurt — longer in a place that might hurt them, that they are in a safe — hurt them, that they are in a safe place. a senior adviser to the israeli prime minister has told the bbc that israel was willing to extend its military pause, but only if hamas had freed more hostages. hamas had the opportunity, we would have had a pause today if they released hostages. my understanding is they have 20 women they could have released in the framework of the existing agreement, yet they chose not to do so. for its part, hamas says it did make several offers regarding further hostage releases, all of which were rejected by israel. that leaves an estimated 140 israeli hostages inside gaza, waiting for their release. as qatar, the us and egypt continues negogations in hopes of reaching a new deal that would see additional hostages released. i spoke about those prospects with oliver mcternan, the director of forward thinking. he worked on hostage negotiation for more than 20 years. really glad to have you with us this evening. a week of hostage and prisoner releases, of course now the situation in which hostilities, the war has returned, i want to get your thoughts on the prospects for another pause and the potential for people to be returned to safety once again.— for people to be returned to safety once again. given the trauic safety once again. given the tragic stories _ safety once again. given the tragic stories we _ safety once again. given the tragic stories we have - safety once again. given the tragic stories we have been | tragic stories we have been listening to, i would love to give you a message of hope and say yes it will happen but right from the beginning, i have always found the two targets set by the prime minister netanyahu incompatible. on one hand he is saying look we are coming after you to eliminate hamas, and on the other hand be expect them to release the hostages. in my experience these two objectives are incompatible, and they result in the long delay before we saw the release of innocent civilians, they should have been released immediately without any preconditions, and i think there was in place something like that but you cannot expect a process in such a situation as gaza go smoothly, and that the safety of the hostages is put first, you can�*t expect that if you have bombardment, so i have been seeing from day one, to secure the safe release of hostages, you must have a ceasefire. hostages, you must have a ceasefire-— hostages, you must have a ceasefire. ., , ., ., ceasefire. ultimo, israel, for its art ceasefire. ultimo, israel, for its part would _ ceasefire. ultimo, israel, for its part would say _ ceasefire. ultimo, israel, for its part would say that - ceasefire. ultimo, israel, for its part would say that the i ceasefire. ultimo, israel, for. its part would say that the war and hostilities and the bombardment essentially has resulted in a release of hostages in the first place, can a resumption of possibilities be a pressure tactic? ., , , . tactic? know, in my experience, i sent tactic? know, in my experience, i spent over— tactic? know, in my experience, i spent over five _ tactic? know, in my experience, i spent over five years _ i spent over five years involved with the release and negotiating for the release of hostages and i have subsequently been involved in other negotiations in gaza. i have always found that once you try to force released through bombardment, or it does is delay the process. it does not actually help, and i think if those making the decisions now use people in israel with the experience of that, i think we may have a different approach. i want to ask about the particular juncture that we i want to ask about the particularjuncture that we are at now. we got to the point where further releases could potentially mean man of fighting age release, soldiers, those that israel is they are guilty of crimes. how much more complex does this make negotiations? i complex does this make negotiations?— complex does this make negotiations? i think it will make it complex _ negotiations? i think it will make it complex and - negotiations? i think it will make it complex and you l negotiations? i think it will. make it complex and you will not get the parameters that they sat of ten or 20 a day and we will have another day of truth, that is not workable. in explaining why soldiers are taken, i do not endorse it, or agree with it, but i�*m just explaining it. the lack of review system in the israeli military courts, if people are convicted the cases are not reviewed, and in light of that, hamas, and i�*m not endorsing it, started to seek taking israeli soldiers as a leveraged, so a soldier is seen in a different capacity to a civilian, and i was stressed that it civilian, and i was stressed thatitis civilian, and i was stressed that it is totally, morally illegal and wrong for hamas to take civilian hostages, but soldiers, they see as leverage to get prisoners released that otherwise would not have any hope of seeing light of day outside the prison, and as we get into this negotiation, negotiations are normally something totally private, and in the five years i was involved in this, there was not a single press conference, no—one knew who was involved, it was something that was done quietly and privately, and now, the hostage situation is part of the propaganda war, part of the blame game, both sides trying to play around emotions, and that�*s not facilitating a process that will lead to the release of the hostages. tote release of the hostages. we have very — release of the hostages. we have very little _ release of the hostages. we have very little time left, but you are talking about that process playing out in the open, did you see that as a hindrance or a help? open, did you see that as a hindrance ora help? i open, did you see that as a hindrance or a help? i really do, hindrance or a help? i really do. because _ hindrance or a help? i really do, because it _ hindrance or a help? i really do, because it is _ hindrance or a help? i really do, because it is all- hindrance or a help? i really do, because it is all up - hindrance or a help? i really| do, because it is all up there like theatre, we are forgetting the anguish, the heart of the hostages, the families that want to be dearly united, and the 2.3 million in gaza who are subject to daily bombardment. i think that�*s where the focus is, we need primarily for humanitarian purposes a ceasefire, but we also need to see a ceasefire to facilitate the process whereby the hostages can be released safely. hostages can be released safel. , . ., ., ., ., safely. director of forward thinking. _ safely. director of forward thinking, who _ safely. director of forward thinking, who has- safely. director of forward thinking, who has worked| safely. director of forward i thinking, who has worked on hostage negotiations for more than 20 years, thank you so much for your insights. as the effort continues to get more israeli hosages released, friday marked a sobering reality for the families of those who will never come home. the deaths of six hostages held by hamas have been confirmed. among them are 85—year—old arye zalmanovich, who is believed to be the oldest hostage taken from kibbutz nir oz. ronen engel, a photographer and volunteer for israel�*s emergency service. his wife and two daughters were released this week as part of the temporary truce. 75—year—old eliyahu margalit, father to nurse nili margalit, also released on thursday. and ofra keidar who was said to be on a walk on october 7 when she was abducted. her husband sami was killed in theirfamily home in kibbutz be�*eri. and we�*re also learning more about the 240 palestinian prisoners released by israel. so far, during the temporary truce mostly women and teenage boys have been freed. they were chosen from a list compiled by israeli officials of 300 palestinians whose alledged offenses range from throwing stones to attempted murder. the majority have not been charged or sentenced for any crime. those released include khalil zamareh, a palestinian teen released on the third day of the truce. and palenstinian activist ahed tamimi, who was arrested a month into the war on supicion �*of involvement in terrorist activity and incitement.�* of the nearly 7,000 palestinians that are in israeli prisons, an estimated total of 1300 people are being held in administrative detention, according to the israel prison service. that is a controversial practice that allows for israeli authorities to hold people indefinitely on security grounds without a trial or charges brought against them. the policy has been widely criticized, with un experts calling on israel to end the, quote, "cruel and inhumane" practice in may. israel has defended the detentions saying it�*s a preventative measure. for her perspective, i spoke with donatella rovera, sernior crisis investigator for amnesty international. donatella, firstly, talk to us about the circumstances in which palestinians are held in israeli prisons because some were convicted of crimes such as attempted murder. others for things like throwing stones and some were in indefinite custody without charge? the majority of palestinians detained have not yet been convicted, that is more than 2300 of them, and more than 35% of them have not been charged or tried, and they are being detained in administrative detention, that is to say israeli authorities have no intention of charging them or bringing them to trial, these detainees have no way to mount a legal defence, because the authorities do not tell them or their lawyers why they are being detained, so the fundamental right to know why you are detained and to defend yourself is not available to them. that is a very high percentage, already, before the seventh of october, the percentage of palestinians held in administrative detention, which is essentially arbitrary detention, was at a 20 year high and at the moment, it�*s all all—time high. we high and at the moment, it's all all-time high.— all all-time high. we should sa that all all-time high. we should say that the _ all all-time high. we should say that the israeli - say that the israeli government, for its part, and the israeli prison service has all the prisoners are detained according to the law, they also argue these prisoners were involved or suspected of offences against the state of israel and that these are necessary preventative measures. what do you make of that? ., �* , measures. what do you make of that? ., �*, ., ., that? that's important to point out that that _ that? that's important to point out that that is _ that? that's important to point out that that is what _ that? that's important to point out that that is what israel - out that that is what israel says, that they are detained according to the israeli law of military occupation, because palestinians are under military occupation, it is not something thatis occupation, it is not something that is acceptable under international, human rights law. it is arbitrary detention, for people to be detained for years without knowing why they are being detained and without being given the possibility to mount a legal defence, that is the situation for more than 35% of those detained, administrative detention can be renewed indefinitely, and so palestinians are being held for years without knowing why and without being able to challenge for their detention, that is arbitrary detention. do you have any reason to believe that the conditions, the detentions, have changed in any way since the october 7 attacks? and how do you go about collecting your information? verifying it? well, obviously, since 7 october, the rights of palestinians, detainees, in israeli prisons has been curtailed. the possibility to receive visits from their families as well as the restriction on movements for theirfamilies in the restriction on movements for their families in the occupied territories. all of those have increased. and so getting information on the conditions of their detention has become more difficult. however, the information that is filtering out indicates that ill treatment — which is something that was existing long before 7 october for palestinian detainees octoberfor palestinian detainees in october for palestinian detainees in israeli prison octoberfor palestinian detainees in israeli prison — but that is reported to have increased and significantly since 7 october. i increased and significantly since 7 october.— increased and significantly since 7 october. i want to read ou since 7 october. i want to read you something _ since 7 october. i want to read you something from _ since 7 october. i want to read you something from 2020, - you something from 2020, michael ink, the un special rapporteur on human rights in the palestinian territories, called on israel to abolish the practice of administrative detention. he said then, "administrative detention is an anathema to any democratic society that follows the rule of law. when a democratic state arrests and detain someone, it�*s required to charge the person, present its evidence in an open trial and allow for a full defence and try and persuade an impartialjudiciary persuade an impartial judiciary of persuade an impartialjudiciary of its allegations beyond a reasonable doubt." the eu has also spoken out about this. why do you think that there has been, apparently, little progress on the issue? this is an issue that _ progress on the issue? this is an issue that goes _ progress on the issue? this is an issue that goes back - progress on the issue? this is an issue that goes back not i an issue that goes back not just years, but decades. arbitrary detention in the form of what israel calls administrative detention, is something that has been going on for decades. and unfortunately, lack of political will at the level of the international communities, the international communities, the allies of the state of israel, countries that have good relations with the state of israel, have not been putting pressure to put an end to this practice, because obviously these are not exceptional cases. we�*re talking about thousands and thousands of palestinians being detained for years without the chance of ever being able to defend themselves, because, of course, they are not being accused of anything. they�*re not being charged with any recognisable criminal offence and therefore they�*re completely unable to challenge the grounds of that defence. as i said, that is arbitrary detention and the... it is something that should not be allowed to continue, but that unfortunately has been a very long—standing practice in a very large percentage of cases. all right, thank you. qatari negotiators have played a large role in brokering the temporary truce between israel and hamas. their participation in talks has resulted in so far a week—long ceasefire that�*s freed more than 100 hostages, released 240 palestinian prisoners, and allowed for much—needed humanitarian aid into gaza. but how did they become involved? qatar is one of the very few countries with an open line of communications to both israel and hamas. it�*s home to senior hamas leaders in exile like khalid mashaal. and while there are no official diplomatic relations between israel and qatar, it was one of the first gulf arab states to establish offical trade ties in the 1990s. the qataris are also no strangers to the role of mediator. they were instrumental in evacuating people from afghanistan two years ago. qatari officials also helped free western hostages held by extremist groups in syria and most recently brokered a high—profile prisoner swap between us and iran. for more on qatar�*s role, i spoke with brian katulis seniorfellow and vice president of policy at the middle east institute. brian, welcome to the programme. thank you for being with us. if we look at the role of qatar in these negotiations, it�*s clearly had some success, for example, when you look at the truce. what do you think makes qatar a successful negotiator? well, first, it has the relationships inside of gaza, particularly with the hamas leadership, by virtue of the fact that it actually hosts some of the hamas leaders in doha after the civil war broke out in syria about a decade ago, some of the hamas leadership is there. second, it has that relationship, in part because israel — and in particular israel�*s prime minister netanyahu — asked qatar to actually help deliver funding to hamas and to the infrastructure in gaza for many, many years, to fund salaries of school teachers and other things while hamas was ruling it after 2007. so because of those relationships, that�*s what makes qatar an important negotiator in gaza. it also has experience in other places, including afghanistan, with iran, so it plays this role, though a very small country, it punches far above its weight because of that role. i mean some people call it a kind of a neutral interlocutor, which is similar to, for example, switzerland. but, you know, if you take a look at its foreign policy, some people point to it as being a kind of a 360 approach when it comes to the air base, for example, that it hosts for the united states. of course, you know, due to the fact that it also hosts hamas officials, but i�*m wondering is thering in in it for qatar here? ., , , ., here? oh, absolutely. i mean it aives... here? oh, absolutely. i mean it gives- -- puts — here? oh, absolutely. i mean it gives... puts this _ here? oh, absolutely. i mean it gives... puts this very - here? oh, absolutely. i mean it gives. .. puts this very small- gives... puts this very small country actually in the news every day. it gets some positive benefit from it. but i would say that there�*s very constructive criticisms about qatar�*s role as well, because it does have relationships with some of the terror groups and islamist movements across the region and that�*s been cause for consternation. if you recall from 2017 to 2020, there was a boycott of qatar and an isolation attempt by some of its neighbours — saudi arabia and the uae in particular — because of those activities. also, qatar is controversial because it supports and funds aljazeera, arabic news network that, in many ways, offers quite incendiary rhetoric and propaganda, some critics say, about what is going on in places like gaza right now. so it�*s a mixed bag, but on balance, without qatar, we would not have seen more than 100 hostages get out of gaza over the last week. and they�*re still working with the united states and with israel�*s mossad, to try to figure out whether some form of ceasefire could be cobbled together, you know, over this very weekend. of know, over this very weekend. of course, as we know, hamas is designated as a terror organisation by the us, by the uk, by other western governments. ijust wonder how do you think qatar navigates that, when it is, of course, as you say, also an ally of the united states. i mean are there potential pitfalls there, when the us has explicitly warned doha no more business as usual when it comes to hamas? yeah, absolutely _ when it comes to hamas? yeah, absolutely there _ when it comes to hamas? yeah, absolutely there are _ when it comes to hamas? yeah, absolutely there are potential. absolutely there are potential pitfalls there. and it�*s not just hamas. it�*s other terror groups. i would add relationships with iran, which is a huge state sponsor of terror across the middle east. it does lay this role. you described it as 360. i think that�*s quite appropriate. but because of that and because there are 10 sides to every story in the middle east, there�*s a lot of controversy with that, a lot of criticism about qatar�*s role. i would say that, on balance, it still does play an important role in trying to help things stop from spiralling further out of control. and that�*s why i think it�*s essential for the united states, for europe and others, to continue to work with qatar to continue to work with qatar to try to produce results. but also do it not with closed eyes, but with eyes wide open about some of the negative aspects of qatar�*s engagement. and briefly brian on that point, do you think there is the potentialfor point, do you think there is the potential for another breakthrough when it comes to the release of hostages and prisoners, cognisant of the fact that qatar, egypt, the us, are still talking about this right now? i are still talking about this right now?— are still talking about this riahtnow? , right now? i hope so, because it's not just — right now? i hope so, because it's notjust the _ right now? i hope so, because it's notjust the release - right now? i hope so, because it's notjust the release of - it�*s notjust the release of hostages, it�*s the cessation of hostilities, which means the stopping of a bombing campaign, even for a few days, that is quite deadly every time it happens. it also means increasing the flow of humanitarian aid, which is necessary, so i hope that happens. the reason why i think it gets even more difficult is that the first 100—plus that were released were mostly children, women, people that essentially a lot of people ask why in the world would any person in their right mind take people like this? now the people like this? now the people that remain, if they�*re still alive, are men, are people who are members of the israel defense forces, so the negotiations get tougher. and i think the other challenge and layer to this is that it�*s not just hamas that�*s holding these individuals. it�*s palestinian islamichhad and some other groups. islamicjihad and some other urou s. ~ , islamicjihad and some other urou s. . , ., groups. well, there is one other angle _ groups. well, there is one other angle of _ groups. well, there is one other angle of the - groups. well, there is onej other angle of the hostage situation that we want to cover and that is the 17 thai hostages who arrived home to a joyous, a very emotional reception at the bangkok international airport on thursday. many of them had been working on israeli farms when they were abducted. scene like these were captured as families reunited with their loved ones —— moments ofjoy and relief, after a period of terror and trauma. you�*re watching bbc news. i�*m helena humphrey in washington dc. thanks for your company. more world news coming your way at the top of the hour. dojoin me then. hello there. next week will gradually turn milder, wetter and windier. but before then, this weekend, we�*re still in this very cold and frosty air with quite a few wintry hazards to come this weekend. there�*ll be some areas of fog, which will be slow to lift. we�*ve also got the risk of snow and ice, but this time probably a bit further south across the uk. now these are the temperatures we�*re starting with first thing in the morning, a widespread frost, could be as low as —10 celsius in scotland. and following the earlier showers around these coastal areas, some icy patches, so too with that wintry weather coming into south west scotland. this is the area of mist, fog and low cloud. it will gradually shrink, break up, some sunshine comes through in most parts of the country. could stay grey and murky across parts of east anglia and lincolnshire. we�*ve got more of these showers coming into north west england, into west wales and the far south west of england. it is going to be a cold day on saturday after that frosty start, typical temperatures in the afternoon, one 1—3 celsius. and coming into that colder air, this wet weather will push its way eastwards, brings the risk of some sleet and snow inland, mainly north of the m4, up into northern england. but it could turn very icy for a while, even the risk of some quite dangerous freezing rain. bit drier for scotland and also for northern ireland, very frosty once again in scotland. temperatures again could be down to —10 celsius or so. heading into sunday, and we�*ve still got some of that wet weather along the eastern most parts of england, bit of sleet and snow in that, that will move away. and then across these southern areas, some more rain develops, the risk of some sleet and snow just on the northern edge. a lot of cloud for england and wales. a few showers coming into northern ireland, still dry and quite sunny, i think, in scotland. particularly cold here through the day. temperatures rising a bit in that rain in the south, could make double figures in the south west of england. and overnight we may see some more rain coming in as well. but this area of low pressure is deepening, the winds are strengthening, and that is moving northwards into that block of colder air. so not only have we got some wet and windy weather, we�*ve also got the risk of some snow falling in some inland areas. and even further north with those winds off the north sea, quite a few wintry showers coming into eastern parts of scotland and some showers feeding through the irish sea into western areas of wales. those temperatures beginning to risejust a little bit, but there is milder weather later on in the week. voice—over: this is bbc news. we�*ll have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. the rohingya are often called the most persecuted minority in the world. six years ago, they had to flee their home country of myanmar after a deadly military campaign that the united states government has called a genocide. now, in the refugee camps of bangladesh, they�*re being murdered. hundreds have been killed by drug gangs and militants and the violence is ongoing. unhcr is paid tens of millions of dollars to run a protection programme for refugees.

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