hancock. _ strategy, you will recall, mr hancock. you _ strategy, you will recall, mr hancock, you more - strategy, you will recall, mr hancock, you more than. strategy, you will recall, mr- hancock, you more than anyone remember— hancock, you more than anyone remember those _ hancock, you more than anyone remember those words, - hancock, you more than anyone remember those words, of- hancock, you more than anyone i remember those words, of course. hancock, you more than anyone - remember those words, of course. the document— remember those words, of course. the document significantly _ remember those words, of course. the document significantly over— remember those words, of course. the document significantly over the - document significantly over the reality. — document significantly over the reality. we _ document significantly over the reality. we weren't _ document significantly over the reality. we weren't well- document significantly over the . reality. we weren't well prepared and insofar— reality. we weren't well prepared and insofar the _ reality. we weren't well prepared and insofar the strategy- reality. we weren't well prepared l and insofar the strategy envisaged, future _ and insofar the strategy envisaged, future loss — and insofar the strategy envisaged, future loss of— and insofar the strategy envisaged, future loss of containment - and insofar the strategy envisaged, future loss of containment and - and insofar the strategy envisaged, future loss of containment and if... when _ future loss of containment and if... when this— future loss of containment and if... when this was— future loss of containment and if... when this was commissioned, - future loss of containment and if... when this was commissioned, that| future loss of containment and if... - when this was commissioned, that was the clear strategy and when that strategy remained formally in place until 12, 13, 14. strategy remained formally in place until12,13,14. i strategy remained formally in place untiuz, 13. 14.— until12, 13, 14. i have 'ust had another look * until12, 13, 14. i have 'ust had another look at h until12, 13, 14. i have 'ust had another look at the _ until12, 13, 14. i havejust had another look at the action - until12, 13, 14. l have just had. another look at the action plan. there's— another look at the action plan. there's quite a lot of information in the _ there's quite a lot of information in the but — there's quite a lot of information in the but i — there's quite a lot of information in the but i can't find too much of the action— in the but i can't find too much of the action points. no, in the but i can't find too much of the action points.— in the but i can't find too much of the action points. no, there's not nearl as the action points. no, there's not nearly as much — the action points. no, there's not nearly as much as _ the action points. no, there's not nearly as much as i _ the action points. no, there's not nearly as much as i wish - the action points. no, there's not nearly as much as i wish there . the action points. no, there's not| nearly as much as i wish there had been. they are in there, they are buried at the end and it was enough to allow the media to then report it as we wished, which was, these are the sorts of things that might have to happen. so closure of schools, for instance, they are mentioned but they are not upfront, nearly as much as they should have been. you would sa i as they should have been. you would say. -- i would — as they should have been. you would say... i would say, _ as they should have been. you would say... i would say, better— as they should have been. you would say... i would say, better than - say... i would say, better than nothing. _ say... i would say, better than nothing. you _ say... i would say, better than nothing. you would _ say... i would say, better than nothing. you would say - say... i would say, better than nothing. you would say better| say... i would say, better than - nothing. you would say better than nothin: nothing. you would say better than nothing but — nothing. you would say better than nothing but i _ nothing. you would say better than nothing but i would _ nothing. you would say better than nothing but i would suspect - nothing. you would say better than nothing but i would suspect he - nothing. you would say better than l nothing but i would suspect he would also say. _ nothing but i would suspect he would also say, remember— nothing but i would suspect he would also say, remember that— nothing but i would suspect he would also say, remember that the - nothing but i would suspect he would also say, remember that the time . also say, remember that the time this was— also say, remember that the time this was commissioned, - also say, remember that the time this was commissioned, that - also say, remember that the time this was commissioned, that the. also say, remember that the time i this was commissioned, that the hse understood _ this was commissioned, that the hse understood that... _ this was commissioned, that the hse understood that... that's _ this was commissioned, that the hse understood that... that's why - this was commissioned, that the hse understood that... that's why there i understood that... that's why there was a _ understood that... that's why there was a reference _ understood that... that's why there was a reference to _ understood that... that's why there was a reference to closing - understood that... that's why there was a reference to closing schools i was a reference to closing schools which _ was a reference to closing schools which was — was a reference to closing schools which was very— was a reference to closing schools which was very much _ was a reference to closing schools which was very much part - was a reference to closing schools which was very much part of - was a reference to closing schools which was very much part of a - was a reference to closing schools which was very much part of a flu i which was very much part of a flu plan _ which was very much part of a flu plan but — which was very much part of a flu plan but no — which was very much part of a flu plan but no reference _ which was very much part of a flu plan but no reference to - which was very much part of a flu plan but no reference to the - which was very much part of a flu plan but no reference to the sort| which was very much part of a flu l plan but no reference to the sort of countermeasures _ plan but no reference to the sort of countermeasures that _ plan but no reference to the sort of countermeasures that the - plan but no reference to the sort of countermeasures that the old - plan but no reference to the sort of. countermeasures that the old money had to— countermeasures that the old money had to consider. _ countermeasures that the old money had to consider.— had to consider. there are bleak references _ had to consider. there are bleak references but _ had to consider. there are bleak references but it _ had to consider. there are bleak references but it was _ had to consider. there are bleak references but it was not - had to consider. there are bleak references but it was not as, - had to consider. there are bleak references but it was not as, if. had to consider. there are bleak references but it was not as, if i | references but it was not as, if i went back and rewrote it now, it would be greatly different. forgive us, i would be greatly different. forgive us. i asked — would be greatly different. forgive us. i asked you. — would be greatly different. forgive us, i asked you, basically, - would be greatly different. forgive us, i asked you, basically, what i would be greatly different. forgive | us, i asked you, basically, what the weather— us, i asked you, basically, what the weather that — us, i asked you, basically, what the weather that was— us, i asked you, basically, what the weather that was and _ us, i asked you, basically, what the weather that was and have - us, i asked you, basically, what the| weather that was and have accepted that in— weather that was and have accepted that in your— weather that was and have accepted that in your words, _ weather that was and have accepted that in your words, they're - weather that was and have accepted that in your words, they're only- that in your words, they're only bleak— that in your words, they're only bleak responses _ that in your words, they're only bleak responses to _ that in your words, they're only bleak responses to measures. i that in your words, they're only- bleak responses to measures. schools are different _ bleak responses to measures. schools are different because _ bleak responses to measures. schools are different because that's _ bleak responses to measures. schools are different because that's based - are different because that's based on the _ are different because that's based on the 2011 — are different because that's based on the 2011 strategy. _ are different because that's based on the 2011 strategy. your- are different because that's based| on the 2011 strategy. your officials and others — on the 2011 strategy. your officials and others worked _ on the 2011 strategy. your officials and others worked for _ on the 2011 strategy. your officials and others worked for three - on the 2011 strategy. your officials| and others worked for three weeks on the 2011 strategy. your officials . and others worked for three weeks on it. , it and others worked for three weeks on it. . it was and others worked for three weeks on it. yes. it was informative _ and others worked for three weeks on it. yes. it was informative and - and others worked for three weeks on it. yes. it was informative and as - it. yes. it was informative and as the government's _ it.“ it was informative and as the government's sole _ it.“ it was informative and as the government's sole strategy. the government's sole strategy document. _ the government's sole strategy document. it— the government's sole strategy document, it has _ the government's sole strategy document, it has significant - the government's sole strategy. document, it has significant flaws. when _ document, it has significant flaws. when it— document, it has significant flaws. when it was— document, it has significant flaws. when it was commissioned, - document, it has significant flaws. when it was commissioned, we i document, it has significant flaws. | when it was commissioned, we are still on the strategy which i i have been pretty clear that i am not a fan of the strategy. 50 been pretty clear that i am not a fan of the strategy.— been pretty clear that i am not a fan of the strategy. so why do sign off on its? because _ fan of the strategy. so why do sign off on its? because that _ fan of the strategy. so why do sign off on its? because that was - fan of the strategy. so why do sign off on its? because that was our. off on its? because that was our thinkin: off on its? because that was our thinking at _ off on its? because that was our thinking at the _ off on its? because that was our thinking at the time _ off on its? because that was our thinking at the time and - off on its? because that was our thinking at the time and at - off on its? because that was our thinking at the time and at the l thinking at the time and at the time, it had been delayed and stuck in the cabinet office, it was better to have it out and driving action than nothing. mi to have it out and driving action than nothing-— to have it out and driving action than nothing. all right. can i ask ou than nothing. all right. can i ask you briefly _ than nothing. all right. can i ask you briefly about _ than nothing. all right. can i ask you briefly about to _ than nothing. all right. can i ask you briefly about to other- than nothing. all right. can i ask. you briefly about to other relevant events _ you briefly about to other relevant events this — you briefly about to other relevant events this time? _ you briefly about to other relevant events this time? did _ you briefly about to other relevant events this time? did you - you briefly about to other relevant events this time? did you call- you briefly about to other relevant events this time? did you call the | events this time? did you call the world _ events this time? did you call the world heaith— events this time? did you call the world health organization - events this time? did you call the world health organization about. events this time? did you call the i world health organization about the need for— world health organization about the need for a _ world health organization about the need for a declaration _ world health organization about the need for a declaration of— world health organization about the need for a declaration of a _ world health organization about thei need for a declaration of a pandemic on the _ need for a declaration of a pandemic on the 2nd _ need for a declaration of a pandemic on the 2nd of— need for a declaration of a pandemic on the 2nd of march? _ need for a declaration of a pandemic on the 2nd of march? it _ need for a declaration of a pandemic on the 2nd of march? it was - need for a declaration of a pandemic on the 2nd of march? it was in - need for a declaration of a pandemic on the 2nd of march? it was in fact l on the 2nd of march? it was in fact an ounce _ on the 2nd of march? it was in fact an ounce of— on the 2nd of march? it was in fact an ounce ofthe— on the 2nd of march? it was in fact an ounce of the 11th _ on the 2nd of march? it was in fact an ounce of the 11th of _ on the 2nd of march? it was in fact an ounce of the 11th of march. - on the 2nd of march? it was in fact an ounce of the 11th of march. had | an ounce of the 11th of march. had he also _ an ounce of the 11th of march. had he also spoken _ an ounce of the 11th of march. had he also spoken to _ an ounce of the 11th of march. had he also spoken to the _ an ounce of the 11th of march. had he also spoken to the world - an ounce of the 11th of march. had he also spoken to the world map i he also spoken to the world map worid _ he also spoken to the world map worid heaith— he also spoken to the world map world health organization - he also spoken to the world map| world health organization earlier about— world health organization earlier about the — world health organization earlier about the declaration _ world health organization earlier about the declaration which - world health organization earlier about the declaration which you i world health organization earlier. about the declaration which you saw it as detayed — about the declaration which you saw it as delayed because _ about the declaration which you saw it as delayed because it _ about the declaration which you saw it as delayed because it was - about the declaration which you saw it as delayed because it was not - about the declaration which you saw it as delayed because it was not anl it as delayed because it was not an until the _ it as delayed because it was not an until the 30th _ it as delayed because it was not an until the 30th of— it as delayed because it was not an until the 30th ofjanuary, - until the 30th ofjanuary, notwithstanding - until the 30th ofjanuary, notwithstanding anotherl until the 30th ofjanuary, - notwithstanding another earlier committee _ notwithstanding another earlier committee debate _ notwithstanding another earlier committee debate of— notwithstanding another earlier committee debate of the - notwithstanding another earlier committee debate of the who. i committee debate of the who. correct. — committee debate of the who. correct. i— committee debate of the who. correct. i pushed _ committee debate of the who. correct. i pushed on— committee debate of the who. correct. i pushed on the - committee debate of the who. correct. i pushed on the w- committee debate of the who. correct. i pushed on the w h l committee debate of the who. correct. i pushed on the w h o| committee debate of the who. i correct. i pushed on the w h o on both of those declarations. i have been able to find a record of the 22nd of january, been able to find a record of the 22nd ofjanuary, the core been able to find a record of the 22nd of january, the core which been able to find a record of the 22nd ofjanuary, the core which i remember, when i was told we can't have a ph because somebody is on a plane and it was ridiculous excuse. maybe you will find that corn a little _ maybe you will find that corn a little notebook _ maybe you will find that corn a little notebook that _ maybe you will find that corn a little notebook that you - maybe you will find that corn a little notebook that you have l maybe you will find that corn a . little notebook that you have just produced. — little notebook that you have just produced. it's— little notebook that you have 'ust roduced. �* , ., ., little notebook that you have 'ust roduced. �*, ., ., ., produced. it's not a notebook, it was a phone _ produced. it's not a notebook, it was a phone record. _ produced. it's not a notebook, it was a phone record. the - produced. it's not a notebook, it| was a phone record. the minister produced. it's not a notebook, it - was a phone record. the minister the care was helen _ was a phone record. the minister the care was helen whately, _ was a phone record. the minister the care was helen whately, were - was a phone record. the minister the care was helen whately, were she i was a phone record. the minister the| care was helen whately, were she not yeitow _ care was helen whately, were she not yeiiow yes. _ care was helen whately, were she not yeiiow yes. you — care was helen whately, were she not yellow yes. you refer— care was helen whately, were she not yellow yes. you refer to _ care was helen whately, were she not yellow yes. you refer to how- care was helen whately, were she not yellow yes. you refer to how at - care was helen whately, were she not yellow yes. you refer to how at this i yellow yes. you refer to how at this time. _ yellow yes. you refer to how at this time. the _ yellow yes. you refer to how at this time. the 2nd — yellow yes. you refer to how at this time, the 2nd of— yellow yes. you refer to how at this time, the 2nd of march, _ yellow yes. you refer to how at this time, the 2nd of march, your- time, the 2nd of march, your department— time, the 2nd of march, your department and _ time, the 2nd of march, your department and she - time, the 2nd of march, your department and she made i time, the 2nd of march, your- department and she made inquiries about— department and she made inquiries about the _ department and she made inquiries about the state _ department and she made inquiries about the state of— department and she made inquiries about the state of planning - department and she made inquiries about the state of planning in- department and she made inquiries about the state of planning in the l about the state of planning in the care sector. — about the state of planning in the care sector. and _ about the state of planning in the care sector. and was _ about the state of planning in the care sector. and was that - about the state of planning in the care sector. and was that a - about the state of planning in the i care sector. and was that a moment in the _ care sector. and was that a moment in the relation — care sector. and was that a moment in the relation to _ care sector. and was that a moment in the relation to state _ care sector. and was that a moment in the relation to state of— in the relation to state of planning. _ in the relation to state of planning. not— in the relation to state of- planning, not countermeasure planning. _ planning, not countermeasure planning. but— planning, not countermeasure planning, but planning - planning, not countermeasure | planning, but planning broadly planning, not countermeasure i planning, but planning broadly in the care — planning, but planning broadly in the care sector? _ planning, but planning broadly in the care sector?— the care sector? yes. our early osition the care sector? yes. our early position was — the care sector? yes. our early position was that _ the care sector? yes. our early position was that care - the care sector? yes. our early position was that care homes i the care sector? yes. our early i position was that care homes are legally responsible to, contracted by, local authorities and therefore they reported action through local local resilience and the department is responsible for social care and respect of policy but not for any legal contracting or reporting. that was the position going into the pandemic. it has needed reform for a long, long time and those reforms have been delayed. that was a position going in. helen whately then,in position going in. helen whately then, in early march,, came to the very firm view that not enough was happening. in february, we had discussions with the care sector, we had round tables but the policy position going in was that local authorities are responsible and it turned out that it was something else that we other department had to grip. else that we other department had to i ri . _ ., ~' else that we other department had to uri, ., ~' , ., else that we other department had to u-ri. . ~ i. ., else that we other department had to grip. thank you for the description ofthe grip. thank you for the description of the background. _ grip. thank you for the description of the background. in _ grip. thank you for the description of the background. in paragraph . grip. thank you for the description i of the background. in paragraph 232, you refer— of the background. in paragraph 232, you refer to— of the background. in paragraph 232, you refer to the — of the background. in paragraph 232, you refer to the fact _ of the background. in paragraph 232, you refer to the fact that _ of the background. in paragraph 232, you refer to the fact that in _ of the background. in paragraph 232, you refer to the fact that in terms i you refer to the fact that in terms of the _ you refer to the fact that in terms of the planning. _ you refer to the fact that in terms of the planning, there _ you refer to the fact that in terms of the planning, there is- you refer to the fact that in termsl of the planning, there is obviously an abdication— of the planning, there is obviously an abdication on _ of the planning, there is obviously an abdication on the _ of the planning, there is obviously an abdication on the sector - of the planning, there is obviously an abdication on the sector to i an abdication on the sector to produce — an abdication on the sector to produce pians _ an abdication on the sector to produce plans for— an abdication on the sector to produce plans for itself, i an abdication on the sector to i produce plans for itself, regardless of the _ produce plans for itself, regardless of the financing _ produce plans for itself, regardless of the financing and _ produce plans for itself, regardless of the financing and so _ produce plans for itself, regardless of the financing and so on- produce plans for itself, regardless of the financing and so on and i produce plans for itself, regardless of the financing and so on and so. of the financing and so on and so forth. _ of the financing and so on and so forth. she — of the financing and so on and so forth. she appreciated, - of the financing and so on and so forth. she appreciated, she i of the financing and so on and so- forth. she appreciated, she messaged you. she— forth. she appreciated, she messaged you. she had — forth. she appreciated, she messaged you. she had only— forth. she appreciated, she messaged you. she had only been _ forth. she appreciated, she messaged you. she had only been provided - forth. she appreciated, she messaged you. she had only been provided withl you. she had only been provided with two existing — you. she had only been provided with two existing pandemic— you. she had only been provided with two existing pandemic contingency. two existing pandemic contingency plans— two existing pandemic contingency plans in— two existing pandemic contingency plans in the — two existing pandemic contingency plans in the care _ two existing pandemic contingency plans in the care sector— two existing pandemic contingency plans in the care sector and - two existing pandemic contingency plans in the care sector and that i two existing pandemic contingency plans in the care sector and that isi plans in the care sector and that is what _ plans in the care sector and that is what she _ plans in the care sector and that is what she called _ plans in the care sector and that is what she called the _ plans in the care sector and that is what she called the —— _ plans in the care sector and that is what she called the —— told - plans in the care sector and that is what she called the —— told you. i what she called the —— told you. that's _ what she called the —— told you. that's correct. _ what she called the —— told you. that's correct. what _ what she called the —— told you. that's correct. what i _ what she called the —— told you. that's correct. what i do - what she called the —— told you. that's correct. what i do know. what she called the —— told you. | that's correct. what i do know is what i was told and i was told, i had asked to see them and there are only two and they were inadequate. on the 12th of march, sage was presented — on the 12th of march, sage was presented with _ on the 12th of march, sage was presented with some _ on the 12th of march, sage was presented with some slides, i on the 12th of march, sage was i presented with some slides, 56209. at presented with some slides, 56209. m page _ presented with some slides, 56209. m page two. — presented with some slides, 56209. m page two. does _ presented with some slides, 56209. at page two, does not _ presented with some slides, 56209. at page two, does not ——... - presented with some slides, 56209. at page two, does not ——... there l at page two, does not ——... there was _ at page two, does not ——... there was a _ at page two, does not ——... there was a reference _ at page two, does not ——... there was a reference to _ at page two, does not ——... there was a reference to the _ at page two, does not ——... there was a reference to the first - at page two, does not ——... there was a reference to the first bulletl was a reference to the first bullet point, _ was a reference to the first bullet point, note — was a reference to the first bullet point. note sage _ was a reference to the first bullet point, note sage advice _ was a reference to the first bullet point, note sage advice that - was a reference to the first bullet point, note sage advice that one i was a reference to the first bullet i point, note sage advice that one to four should — point, note sage advice that one to four should each _ point, note sage advice that one to four should each deliver— point, note sage advice that one to four should each deliver benefits . point, note sage advice that one to| four should each deliver benefits by delaying _ four should each deliver benefits by delaying and — four should each deliver benefits by delaying and flattening _ four should each deliver benefits by delaying and flattening the - four should each deliver benefits by delaying and flattening the peak - four should each deliver benefits byi delaying and flattening the peak and lowering _ delaying and flattening the peak and lowering overall— delaying and flattening the peak and lowering overall deaths. _ delaying and flattening the peak and lowering overall deaths. if— delaying and flattening the peak and lowering overall deaths. if you - delaying and flattening the peak and lowering overall deaths. if you just l lowering overall deaths. if you just retain _ lowering overall deaths. if you just retain that — lowering overall deaths. if you just retain that for, _ lowering overall deaths. if you just retain that for, the _ lowering overall deaths. if you just retain that for, the 12th _ lowering overall deaths. if you just retain that for, the 12th of - lowering overall deaths. if you just retain that for, the 12th of march l retain that for, the 12th of march and we _ retain that for, the 12th of march and we will— retain that for, the 12th of march and we will look _ retain that for, the 12th of march and we will look at _ retain that for, the 12th of march and we will look at the _ retain that for, the 12th of march and we will look at the cobra - and we will look at the cobra itself, — and we will look at the cobra itself, 562— and we will look at the cobra itself, 562 on _ and we will look at the cobra itself, 562 on the _ and we will look at the cobra itself, 562 on the 12th- and we will look at the cobra itself, 562 on the 12th of- and we will look at the cobra i itself, 562 on the 12th of march, pay five. — itself, 562 on the 12th of march, pay five. it — itself, 562 on the 12th of march, pay five. it is— itself, 562 on the 12th of march, pay five. it is a _ itself, 562 on the 12th of march, pay five, it is a cobra _ itself, 562 on the 12th of march, pay five, it is a cobra chair- itself, 562 on the 12th of march, pay five, it is a cobra chair by. itself, 562 on the 12th of march, i pay five, it is a cobra chair by the prime _ pay five, it is a cobra chair by the prime minister. _ pay five, it is a cobra chair by the prime minister. at _ pay five, it is a cobra chair by the prime minister. at page - pay five, it is a cobra chair by the prime minister. at page five, - prime minister. at page five, paragraph _ prime minister. at page five, paragraph two. _ prime minister. at page five, paragraph two, the _ prime minister. at page five, paragraph two, the chair- prime minister. at page five, i paragraph two, the chair invited prime minister. at page five, - paragraph two, the chair invited the gc _ paragraph two, the chair invited the gc you _ paragraph two, the chair invited the gc you have— paragraph two, the chair invited the gc you have a— paragraph two, the chair invited the gc you have a claim _ paragraph two, the chair invited the gc you have a claim by- paragraph two, the chair invited the gc you have a claim by the - paragraph two, the chair invited the | gc you have a claim by the stage and there _ gc you have a claim by the stage and there is— gc you have a claim by the stage and there is debate _ gc you have a claim by the stage and there is debate about _ gc you have a claim by the stage and there is debate about the - gc you have a claim by the stage| and there is debate about the nature of the _ and there is debate about the nature of the infection _ and there is debate about the nature of the infection control _ of the infection control interventions. - of the infection control interventions. the - of the infection control interventions. the gci of the infection control i interventions. the gc has of the infection control - interventions. the gc has a said, not only— interventions. the gc has a said, not only was— interventions. the gc has a said, not only was it _ interventions. the gc has a said, not only was it is _ interventions. the gc has a said, not only was it is not _ interventions. the gc has a said, not only was it is not possible . interventions. the gc has a said, | not only was it is not possible but this would — not only was it is not possible but this would likely _ not only was it is not possible but this would likely lead _ not only was it is not possible but this would likely lead to - not only was it is not possible but this would likely lead to a - not only was it is not possible but this would likely lead to a larger. this would likely lead to a larger second — this would likely lead to a larger second peak— this would likely lead to a larger second peak lake _ this would likely lead to a larger second peak lake in _ this would likely lead to a larger second peak lake in the - this would likely lead to a larger second peak lake in the year. i this would likely lead to a larger| second peak lake in the year. so this would likely lead to a larger- second peak lake in the year. so my question— second peak lake in the year. so my question is— second peak lake in the year. so my question is that _ second peak lake in the year. so my question is that you _ second peak lake in the year. so my question is that you have _ second peak lake in the year. so my question is that you have healthy i question is that you have healthy describe — question is that you have healthy describe at — question is that you have healthy describe at the _ question is that you have healthy describe at the reasonable - question is that you have healthy describe at the reasonable worst| describe at the reasonable worst case scenario— describe at the reasonable worst case scenario debate _ describe at the reasonable worst case scenario debate and - describe at the reasonable worst case scenario debate and slow . describe at the reasonable worst - case scenario debate and slow things down _ case scenario debate and slow things down the _ case scenario debate and slow things down. the debate _ case scenario debate and slow things down. the debate on— case scenario debate and slow things down. the debate on what— case scenario debate and slow things down. the debate on what became . down. the debate on what became trehavioural— down. the debate on what became behavioural fatigue _ down. the debate on what became behavioural fatigue did _ down. the debate on what became behavioural fatigue did slow- down. the debate on what became behavioural fatigue did slow thingsj behavioural fatigue did slow things down _ behavioural fatigue did slow things down to _ behavioural fatigue did slow things down to what _ behavioural fatigue did slow things down. to what extent _ behavioural fatigue did slow things down. to what extent of— behavioural fatigue did slow things down. to what extent of the - behavioural fatigue did slow thingsl down. to what extent of the debate about _ down. to what extent of the debate about if— down. to what extent of the debate about if you — down. to what extent of the debate about if you mitigate _ down. to what extent of the debate about if you mitigate and _ down. to what extent of the debate about if you mitigate and you - about if you mitigate and you flatten — about if you mitigate and you flatten the _ about if you mitigate and you flatten the wave, _ about if you mitigate and you flatten the wave, sorry, - about if you mitigate and you flatten the wave, sorry, if- about if you mitigate and youi flatten the wave, sorry, if you suppress _ flatten the wave, sorry, if you suppress completely - flatten the wave, sorry, if you suppress completely the - flatten the wave, sorry, if you j suppress completely the wave flatten the wave, sorry, if you - suppress completely the wave and you io suppress completely the wave and you go from _ suppress completely the wave and you go from eradication _ suppress completely the wave and you go from eradication policy _ suppress completely the wave and you go from eradication policy or— go from eradication policy or suppression _ go from eradication policy or suppression policy, - go from eradication policy or suppression policy, it- go from eradication policy or suppression policy, it may. go from eradication policy or- suppression policy, it may bounce back later — suppression policy, it may bounce back later on _ suppression policy, it may bounce back later on in _ suppression policy, it may bounce back later on in the _ suppression policy, it may bounce back later on in the year. - suppression policy, it may bounce back later on in the year. to - suppression policy, it may bounce back later on in the year. to what| back later on in the year. to what extent _ back later on in the year. to what extent did — back later on in the year. to what extent did that _ back later on in the year. to what extent did that concern _ back later on in the year. to what extent did that concern or - back later on in the year. to what extent did that concern or debate j extent did that concern or debate also ensure — extent did that concern or debate also ensure or— extent did that concern or debate also ensure or lead _ extent did that concern or debate also ensure or lead to _ extent did that concern or debate also ensure or lead to a - extent did that concern or debate also ensure or lead to a slowing i also ensure or lead to a slowing down _ also ensure or lead to a slowing down of — also ensure or lead to a slowing down of practical— also ensure or lead to a slowing down of practical action - also ensure or lead to a slowing down of practical action being . down of practical action being taken? — down of practical action being taken? ., , ., down of practical action being taken? . , . . down of practical action being taken? . . , , , taken? hardly at all because this an ument taken? hardly at all because this argument that _ taken? hardly at all because this argument that we _ taken? hardly at all because this argument that we should - taken? hardly at all because this argument that we should aim, i taken? hardly at all because this i argument that we should aim, with taken? hardly at all because this - argument that we should aim, with a good outcome of herd immunity by september 2020, they strategy all this objective, was rapidly overtaken by the decision on the formally taken, either 15th or 16th, to ask people to end or unnecessary social contact.— social contact. absolutely. that's the end of— social contact. absolutely. that's the end of it. _ social contact. absolutely. that's the end of it. that _ social contact. absolutely. that's the end of it. that was _ social contact. absolutely. that's the end of it. that was the - the end of it. that was the soppression _ the end of it. that was the suppression strategy - the end of it. that was the suppression strategy in . the end of it. that was the | suppression strategy in full the end of it. that was the - suppression strategy in full force by now. suppression strategy in full force b now. ~ ., by now. wondered the debate about flattenin: by now. wondered the debate about flattening versus _ by now. wondered the debate about flattening versus suppression - by now. wondered the debate about flattening versus suppression first . flattening versus suppression first find its _ flattening versus suppression first find its way — flattening versus suppression first find its way into _ flattening versus suppression first find its way into the _ flattening versus suppression first find its way into the watts - flattening versus suppression first find its way into the watts apps, i find its way into the watts apps, into the — find its way into the watts apps, into the meetings _ find its way into the watts apps, into the meetings into _ find its way into the watts apps, into the meetings into sage, - find its way into the watts apps, . into the meetings into sage, cobra and so _ into the meetings into sage, cobra and so on? — into the meetings into sage, cobra and so on? it— into the meetings into sage, cobra and so on?— into the meetings into sage, cobra and so on? . , , ., and so on? it happened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of— and so on? it happened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of march. _ and so on? it happened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of march. | _ and so on? it happened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of march. l have - and so on? it happened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of march. i have put - and so on? it happened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of march. i have put to i 14th, 15th of march. i have put to ou 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material— 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from _ 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the _ 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the 12th - 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the 12th of- 14th, 15th of march. i have put to - you material from the 12th of march, there _ you material from the 12th of march, there is— you material from the 12th of march, there is a _ you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate _ you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at— you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger- you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger eight - you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger eight oni there is a debate at kroger eight on there is a debate at kroger eight on the 9th— there is a debate at kroger eight on the 9th of— there is a debate at kroger eight on the 9th of march _ there is a debate at kroger eight on the 9th of march by— there is a debate at kroger eight on the 9th of march by the _ there is a debate at kroger eight on the 9th of march by the later- there is a debate at kroger eight on the 9th of march by the later peak. | the 9th of march by the later peak. that was _ the 9th of march by the later peak. that was all— the 9th of march by the later peak. that was all about _ the 9th of march by the later peak. that was all about the _ the 9th of march by the later peak. that was all about the right - the 9th of march by the later peak. that was all about the right time i that was all about the right time for the intervention. i that was all about the right time for the intervention.— that was all about the right time for the intervention. i was a debate about efficacy _ for the intervention. i was a debate about efficacy of — for the intervention. i was a debate about efficacy of intervention - about efficacy of intervention rather — about efficacy of intervention rather than _ about efficacy of intervention rather than on _ about efficacy of intervention rather than on coil— about efficacy of intervention rather than on coil spring - about efficacy of intervention rather than on coil spring if. about efficacy of intervention rather than on coil spring if i| about efficacy of intervention . rather than on coil spring if i call it that _ rather than on coil spring if i call it that this _ rather than on coil spring if i call it that. this concern _ rather than on coil spring if i call it that. this concern that - rather than on coil spring if i call it that. this concern that if- rather than on coil spring if i call it that. this concern that if you i it that. this concern that if you con1pletely_ it that. this concern that if you completely suppress _ it that. this concern that if you completely suppress the - it that. this concern that if you j completely suppress the virus, it that. this concern that if you i completely suppress the virus, as soon _ completely suppress the virus, as soon as— completely suppress the virus, as soon as he — completely suppress the virus, as soon as he lift _ completely suppress the virus, as soon as he lift the _ completely suppress the virus, as soon as he lift the restrictions, i completely suppress the virus, as soon as he lift the restrictions, toj soon as he lift the restrictions, to uncoil— soon as he lift the restrictions, to uncoil and — soon as he lift the restrictions, to uncoil and come _ soon as he lift the restrictions, to uncoil and come back. _ soon as he lift the restrictions, to uncoil and come back.— uncoil and come back. without a vaccine, uncoil and come back. without a vaccine. that _ uncoil and come back. without a vaccine, that is _ uncoil and come back. without a vaccine, that is a _ uncoil and come back. without a vaccine, that is a risk. _ uncoil and come back. without a vaccine, that is a risk. and - uncoil and come back. without a vaccine, that is a risk. and that l vaccine, that is a risk. and that was discussed but it was very brief. the time when that was the main concern was very brief. fin the time when that was the main concern was very brief.— concern was very brief. on that frida or concern was very brief. on that friday or perhaps _ concern was very brief. on that friday or perhaps the _ concern was very brief. on that friday or perhaps the fair- concern was very brief. on that friday or perhaps the fair is - concern was very brief. on that friday or perhaps the fair is a l concern was very brief. on that i friday or perhaps the fair is a 12th of march, — friday or perhaps the fair is a 12th of march, friday— friday or perhaps the fair is a 12th of march, friday 13th, _ friday or perhaps the fair is a 12th of march, friday 13th, the - friday or perhaps the fair is a 12th. of march, friday 13th, the weekend of march, friday 13th, the weekend of 14th _ of march, friday 13th, the weekend of 14th and — of march, friday 13th, the weekend of 14th and 15th, _ of march, friday 13th, the weekend of 14th and 15th, the _ of march, friday 13th, the weekend of 14th and 15th, the government . of 14th and 15th, the government took what — of14th and 15th, the government took what nray— of 14th and 15th, the government took what may be _ of 14th and 15th, the government took what may be considered - of 14th and 15th, the government took what may be considered toi of 14th and 15th, the government l took what may be considered to be of 14th and 15th, the government - took what may be considered to be a very significant — took what may be considered to be a very significant change _ took what may be considered to be a very significant change of— very significant change of direction _ very significant change of direction. the _ very significant change of direction. the inquiries. very significant change of- direction. the inquiries received evidence — direction. the inquiries received evidence that _ direction. the inquiries received evidence that there _ direction. the inquiries received evidence that there was - direction. the inquiries received evidence that there was a - direction. the inquiries received evidence that there was a bodyi direction. the inquiries received i evidence that there was a body of scientific— evidence that there was a body of scientific material— evidence that there was a body of scientific material built _ evidence that there was a body of scientific material built up - evidence that there was a body of scientific material built up by - evidence that there was a body of scientific material built up by that stage _ scientific material built up by that stage from — scientific material built up by that stage from the _ scientific material built up by that stage from the london _ scientific material built up by that stage from the london school- scientific material built up by that stage from the london school ofi stage from the london school of tropical— stage from the london school of tropical medicine, _ stage from the london school of tropical medicine, also- stage from the london school of tropical medicine, also at - stage from the london school of tropical medicine, also at sage, | tropical medicine, also at sage, there _ tropical medicine, also at sage, there were _ tropical medicine, also at sage, there were papers _ tropical medicine, also at sage, there were papers from - tropical medicine, also at sage, i there were papers from professor riley. _ there were papers from professor riley. professor— there were papers from professor riley, professor ferguson - there were papers from professor riley, professor ferguson had - riley, professor ferguson had e-mailed _ riley, professor ferguson had e—mailed ben— riley, professor ferguson had e—mailed ben one _ riley, professor ferguson had e—mailed ben one on- riley, professor ferguson had e—mailed ben one on the - riley, professor ferguson had e—mailed ben one on the 10th riley, professor ferguson had i e—mailed ben one on the 10th of march, _ e—mailed ben one on the 10th of march, sage _ e—mailed ben one on the 10th of march, sage on— e—mailed ben one on the 10th of march, sage on the _ e—mailed ben one on the 10th of march, sage on the 10th- e—mailed ben one on the 10th of march, sage on the 10th of- e—mailed ben one on the 10th ofi march, sage on the 10th of march e—mailed ben one on the 10th of- march, sage on the 10th of march had been asked _ march, sage on the 10th of march had been asked by— march, sage on the 10th of march had been asked by niall— march, sage on the 10th of march had been asked by niall ferguson - march, sage on the 10th of march had been asked by niall ferguson or- been asked by niall ferguson or rather— been asked by niall ferguson or rather the — been asked by niall ferguson or rather the officials _ been asked by niall ferguson or rather the officials at _ been asked by niall ferguson or rather the officials at sage - been asked by niall ferguson or rather the officials at sage had i rather the officials at sage had been _ rather the officials at sage had been asked. _ rather the officials at sage had been asked, do _ rather the officials at sage had been asked, do they _ rather the officials at sage had been asked, do they know- rather the officials at sage hadl been asked, do they know what rather the officials at sage had - been asked, do they know what an epidemic— been asked, do they know what an epidemic before _ been asked, do they know what an epidemic before thousand - been asked, do they know what an. epidemic before thousand yesterday looks like? — epidemic before thousand yesterday looks like? a epidemic before thousand yesterday looks like? . ,, looks like? matt hancock their aaivin looks like? matt hancock their giving evidence. _ looks like? matt hancock their giving evidence. he _ looks like? matt hancock their giving evidence. he has - looks like? matt hancock their giving evidence. he has a - giving evidence. he has a significantly that with hindsight, the government should and could have knocked down three weeks earlier thanit knocked down three weeks earlier than it did on the 23rd of march 2020. if you would like to follow the evidence being given there, you can go to the bbc live page. alistair darling has died at the age of 70. he seven cabinet for years under tony blair and gordon brown. he helped steer the uk through the financial crisis in 2008. the ex edinburgh mp also led the better together campaign in 2014 scottish independence referendum. a statement issued on behalf this family called him a loving husband and father. labour leader sir keir starmer said, alistair lived a life devoted to public service and he will be remembered as a chancellor who is calm expertise and honesty helped to guide britain for the cannot of the globalfinancial guide britain for the cannot of the global financial crisis. guide britain for the cannot of the globalfinancial crisis. gordon brown said, he will be remembered as a statesman of unimpeachable integrity. in a statesman of unimpeachable inteuri . , ., a statesman of unimpeachable inteuri . . ,, integrity. in times of crisis, alistair was _ integrity. in times of crisis, alistair was the _ integrity. in times of crisis, alistair was the person - integrity. in times of crisis, | alistair was the person you'd integrity. in times of crisis, - alistair was the person you'd want on the room. he had a strong sense of what was right and wrong, he had great integrity, he was a person could and depend upon and i think we saw that, notjust during the financial crisis but when he chaired the better together campaign which was a difficult thing to do. it is quite a tense time in scottish life but i think you gain a respect not only of his supporters but his opponents in that crisis and he came out of that as a man whose authority was held in huge esteem by everybody across the country. he was held in huge esteem by everybody across the country.— across the country. he must have been quite _ across the country. he must have been quite an _ across the country. he must have been quite an indispensable - been quite an indispensable politician to be in cabinet for that long _ politician to be in cabinet for that long he— politician to be in cabinet for that lonu. ., , politician to be in cabinet for that lon. _ ., , . politician to be in cabinet for that lonu. ,. politician to be in cabinet for that lon.. ,. long. he was chief secretary of the treasury when _ long. he was chief secretary of the treasury when i — long. he was chief secretary of the treasury when i was _ long. he was chief secretary of the treasury when i was chancellor - long. he was chief secretary of the treasury when i was chancellor so | long. he was chief secretary of the i treasury when i was chancellor so we worked very closely but then he was a person who showed enormous skills in government and that's why as a departmental manager but also as someone with a strong sense of judgment, he became council secretary, then at the department of industry and he was the obvious choice when i became prime minister to become chancellor in 2007 and of course, he had to deal at very first
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