all of politics. it's a _ friends. we are having tributes from all of politics. it's a you _ friends. we are having tributes from all of politics. it's a you say - friends. we are having tributes from all of politics. it's a you say that - all of politics. it's a you say that he was a gentleman. was he a friend of yours? he was a gentleman. was he a friend of ours? ., ., �* . .,, of yours? no, we won't close friends- _ of yours? no, we won't close friends. but _ of yours? no, we won't close friends. but when _ of yours? no, we won't close friends. but when he - of yours? no, we won't close friends. but when he was - of yours? no, we won't close friends. but when he was in i of yours? no, we won't close - friends. but when he was in office, and i was a backbench mp, and a major issue, you always got a courteous and informed response. he was very much in command of his brief. we did not agree on many many issues, but our exchanges were never anything other than courteous and businesslike. you appreciate that among political opponents. you want political opponents who play the game of politics at a certain high level, and alistair did that. and he is much to be commended for that. fin is much to be commended for that. on a more personal level as well, only just turned 70 a couple of days ago, a tragedy for his family. bier? just turned 70 a couple of days ago, a tragedy for his family.— a tragedy for his family. very much so. in this a tragedy for his family. very much s0- in this day— a tragedy for his family. very much so. in this day and _ a tragedy for his family. very much so. in this day and age, _ a tragedy for his family. very much so. in this day and age, that - a tragedy for his family. very much so. in this day and age, that is - a tragedy for his family. very much so. in this day and age, that is not| so. in this day and age, that is not in the planned stage. it's very difficult to imagine their political scene without alistair darling. the news for most of us this morning was unexpected. obviously, he had been an ill for a period, unexpected. obviously, he had been an ill fora period, but unexpected. obviously, he had been an ill for a period, but it was very unexpected and sad news. across the political spectrum, public scottish life, people will be very sad today that alistair has been taken from us at a relatively young age. find at a relatively young age. and finall , at a relatively young age. and finally. one — at a relatively young age. and finally, one key— at a relatively young age. and finally, one key thing - at a relatively young age. and finally, one key thing he will be remembered for? i finally, one key thing he will be remembered for?— remembered for? i think the referendum _ remembered for? i think the referendum campaign - remembered for? i think the referendum campaign was i remembered for? i think the - referendum campaign was probably remembered for? i think the _ referendum campaign was probably the big biggest political debate probably in the uk, so in the century, so he was a formidable opponent. he will be remembered for that. the key memory i suspect will be that just that. the key memory i suspect will be thatjust because the financial crisis was all—encompassing, that he was at the helm at a moment of extreme danger to the entire financial system, extreme danger to the entire financialsystem, it extreme danger to the entire financial system, it could have collapsed. and therefore, the ability to withstand that sort of precious group —— speaks extremely highly of alistair darling. precious group -- speaks extremely highly of alistair darling.— highly of alistair darling. thank ou. live now to our political correspondet kirsten campbell . you are listening to those thoughts from alex salmond, you are listening to how they could debate but afterwards talk about what they were doing on the weekend. that’s were doing on the weekend. that's riaht, and were doing on the weekend. that's right. and i — were doing on the weekend. that's right, and i think _ were doing on the weekend. that's right, and i think that _ were doing on the weekend. that's right, and i think that is _ were doing on the weekend. that's right, and i think that is coming - right, and i think that is coming across and all the tributes that are beginning to come into alistair darling aboutjust how decent a man he was. there is sense of shock here in the scottish parliament, at least one labour msp has been spotted in tears. some people have been really devastated by this. he was a mentor to so many in the party. he has been described as a giant of the labour movement, a titanic. a good and someone who was also always dedicated to public service. those sorts of tributes in coming and not just from labour politicians are indeed adversaries in the case of alex salman, you have people talking about his carmen wisdom and kindness. theresa may saying that he was an asset to our politics and public life. this was a man who was very well respected across the political spectrum. he stepped down in 2015 most — political spectrum. he stepped down in 2015 most recently _ political spectrum. he stepped down in 2015 most recently as _ political spectrum. he stepped down in 2015 most recently as the - political spectrum. he stepped down in 2015 most recently as the mp - political spectrum. he stepped down in 2015 most recently as the mp for. in 2015 most recently as the mp for edinburgh south west. can you tell us about his presence in scotland? he was a huge political figure. us about his presence in scotland? he was a huge politicalfigure. he began his political career as a counsellor. he ended his political career in the house of lords. in between time, of course, he was the longest serving member of the labour government, and minister under both tony blair and gordon brown. most famously as the chancellor of the exchequer during the financial clash. —— crash. he bails out the bank of scotland and he thought he should be honest with the public and is bus was not the show sure about that. he headed up the better together campaign during the independence referendum. that was a job that he didn't really want, but he did it anyway out of a sense of public duty, and i think that is a measure of the man.— public duty, and i think that is a measure of the man. thank you very much for that. _ measure of the man. thank you very much for that. let's _ measure of the man. thank you very much for that. let's bring _ measure of the man. thank you very much for that. let's bring you - measure of the man. thank you very much for that. let's bring you a - much for that. let's bring you a tribute that has come in. former prime minister tony blair has said that alistair darling who worked in many of the top positions in his government has said... that is on the death of alistair darling who has died at the age of 70. matt hancock is giving evidence before the uk covid inquiry, which is focusing on the decision—making that happened during the pandemic. i can't recall it specifically being brought to my attention. . it would certainly have been informed by the advice i was getting from many of those present. a, advice i was getting from many of those present.— those present. a day before, according _ those present. a day before, according to _ those present. a day before, according to yours _ those present. a day before, according to yours date - those present. a day before, i according to yours date meant, those present. a day before, - according to yours date meant, on the 13th _ according to yours date meant, on the 13th of— according to yours date meant, on the 13th of february, _ according to yours date meant, on the 13th of february, you - according to yours date meant, on the 13th of february, you say- according to yours date meant, on the 13th of february, you say thatl the 13th of february, you say that sage _ the 13th of february, you say that sage came — the 13th of february, you say that sage came to— the 13th of february, you say that sage came to the _ the 13th of february, you say that sage came to the view— the 13th of february, you say that sage came to the view that - the 13th of february, you say that sage came to the view that china| the 13th of february, you say that - sage came to the view that china had failed _ sage came to the view that china had failed to— sage came to the view that china had failed to contain _ sage came to the view that china had failed to contain coronavirus. - sage came to the view that china had failed to contain coronavirus. so, - failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the _ failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the context— failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the context of— failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the context of this _ failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the context of this debate, - failed to contain coronavirus. so, | in the context of this debate, and the two _ in the context of this debate, and the two scenarios, _ in the context of this debate, and the two scenarios, either- in the context of this debate, and the two scenarios, either they. the two scenarios, either they contain — the two scenarios, either they contain it— the two scenarios, either they contain it or— the two scenarios, either they contain it or they— the two scenarios, either they contain it or they don't, - the two scenarios, either they contain it or they don't, and l the two scenarios, either they contain it or they don't, and it becomes— contain it or they don't, and it becomes a _ contain it or they don't, and it becomes a worldwide - contain it or they don't, and it. becomes a worldwide pandemic. contain it or they don't, and it - becomes a worldwide pandemic. can you recatt— becomes a worldwide pandemic. can you recall your— becomes a worldwide pandemic. can you recall your reaction _ becomes a worldwide pandemic. can you recall your reaction of— becomes a worldwide pandemic. can you recall your reaction of being - you recall your reaction of being told on — you recall your reaction of being told on the _ you recall your reaction of being told on the 13th _ you recall your reaction of being told on the 13th of _ you recall your reaction of being told on the 13th of february - you recall your reaction of being told on the 13th of february that china _ told on the 13th of february that china had — told on the 13th of february that china had failed _ told on the 13th of february that china had failed to _ told on the 13th of february that china had failed to contain - told on the 13th of february that china had failed to contain the l china had failed to contain the virus? — china had failed to contain the virus? ., .., , ., ., virus? no, identical been told that as early as — virus? no, identical been told that as early as that. _ virus? no, identical been told that as early as that. this _ virus? no, identical been told that as early as that. this is _ virus? no, identical been told that as early as that. this is from - virus? no, identical been told that as early as that. this is from your| as early as that. this is from your statement. _ as early as that. this is from your statement, paragraph _ as early as that. this is from your statement, paragraph 191. - as early as that. this is from your statement, paragraph 191. can i statement, paragraph 191. can returned to — statement, paragraph 191. can returned to it? _ statement, paragraph 191. can returned to it? can _ statement, paragraph 191. can returned to it? can we - statement, paragraph 191. can returned to it? can we have i statement, paragraph 191. can - returned to it? can we have pleased the statement _ returned to it? can we have pleased the statement on _ returned to it? can we have pleased the statement on the _ returned to it? can we have pleased the statement on the screen? - the statement on the screen? paragraph— the statement on the screen? paragraph t9t~ _ the statement on the screen? paragraph 191. i'm— the statement on the screen? paragraph 191. i'm afraid - the statement on the screen? paragraph 191. i'm afraid i- the statement on the screen? i paragraph 191. i'm afraid i don't have _ paragraph 191. i'm afraid i don't have a — paragraph 191. i'm afraid i don't have a page _ paragraph 191. i'm afraid i don't have a page number. _ paragraph 191. i'm afraid i don't have a page number. perhaps. paragraph 191. i'm afraid i don't - have a page number. perhaps someone can assist _ have a page number. perhaps someone can assist ti— have a page number. perhaps someone can assist. , ., ., ., can assist. if you have got the page number there _ can assist. if you have got the page number there mr _ can assist. if you have got the page number there mr hancock. - can assist. if you have got the page number there mr hancock. the - can assist. if you have got the page | number there mr hancock. the page numbers a5. it said they came to the view that china had failed to contain covid—19. i don't recall when i was told that. contain covid-19. i don't recall when i was told that.— contain covid-19. i don't recall when i was told that. right, my next ruestion, when i was told that. right, my next question. that _ when i was told that. right, my next question, that is _ when i was told that. right, my next question, that is a _ when i was told that. right, my next question, that is a seminal - when i was told that. right, my next question, that is a seminal momentl question, that is a seminal moment in the _ question, that is a seminal moment in the context— question, that is a seminal moment in the context of— question, that is a seminal moment in the context of this _ question, that is a seminal moment in the context of this debate, - question, that is a seminal moment in the context of this debate, you i in the context of this debate, you are told. — in the context of this debate, you are told, there _ in the context of this debate, you are told, there is _ in the context of this debate, you are told, there is a _ in the context of this debate, you are told, there is a 50—50 - in the context of this debate, you . are told, there is a 50—50 scenario. it is contained — are told, there is a 50—50 scenario. it is contained or— are told, there is a 50—50 scenario. it is contained or it's _ are told, there is a 50—50 scenario. it is contained or it's not. _ are told, there is a 50—50 scenario. it is contained or it's not. if- are told, there is a 50—50 scenario. it is contained or it's not. if it- it is contained or it's not. if it is not. — it is contained or it's not. if it is not. then— it is contained or it's not. if it is not, then subject - it is contained or it's not. if it is not, then subject to- it is contained or it's not. if it. is not, then subject to sustained community— is not, then subject to sustained community transmission, - is not, then subject to sustained community transmission, it - is not, then subject to sustained community transmission, it is i is not, then subject to sustained - community transmission, it is game over~ _ community transmission, it is game over~ being — community transmission, it is game over~ being told _ community transmission, it is game over. being told formally _ community transmission, it is game over. being told formally the - over. being told formally the government _ over. being told formally the government machine - over. being told formally the government machine was - over. being told formally the - government machine was informed formativ— government machine was informed formally on— government machine was informed formally on the _ government machine was informed formally on the 13th _ government machine was informed formally on the 13th of— government machine was informed formally on the 13th of february. formally on the 13th of february that china — formally on the 13th of february that china had _ formally on the 13th of february that china had failed, _ formally on the 13th of february that china had failed, would - formally on the 13th of februaryj that china had failed, would you acknowledge _ that china had failed, would you acknowledge that _ that china had failed, would you acknowledge that that _ that china had failed, would you acknowledge that that was - that china had failed, would you acknowledge that that was a - that china had failed, would youl acknowledge that that was a vital moment? — acknowledge that that was a vital moment? lt— acknowledge that that was a vital moment? . . , acknowledge that that was a vital moment? . ., , , ., ., moment? it certainly should have been, moment? it certainly should have been. yes- _ moment? it certainly should have been, yes. yes. _ moment? it certainly should have been, yes. yes. on _ moment? it certainly should have been, yes. yes. on the _ moment? it certainly should have been, yes. yes. on the 14th - moment? it certainly should have been, yes. yes. on the 14th of. been, yes. yes. on the 14th of february. _ been, yes. yes. on the 14th of february. the _ been, yes. yes. on the 14th of february, the next _ been, yes. yes. on the 14th of february, the next day, - been, yes. yes. on the 14th of| february, the next day, 56138, been, yes. yes. on the 14th of- february, the next day, 56138, page seven, _ february, the next day, 56138, page seven, you — february, the next day, 56138, page seven, you were _ february, the next day, 56138, page seven, you were present _ february, the next day, 56138, page seven, you were present at - february, the next day, 56138, page seven, you were present at that - seven, you were present at that cabinet _ seven, you were present at that cabinet of— seven, you were present at that cabinet of course. _ seven, you were present at that cabinet of course. page - seven, you were present at that cabinet of course. page seven, i seven, you were present at that - cabinet of course. page seven, thank you. cabinet of course. page seven, thank you the _ cabinet of course. page seven, thank you. the governments _ cabinet of course. page seven, thank you. the governments chief- cabinet of course. page seven, thank you. the governments chief medicall you. the governments chief medical officer— you. the governments chief medical officer said — you. the governments chief medical officer said that— you. the governments chief medical officer said that if— you. the governments chief medical officer said that if the _ you. the governments chief medical officer said that if the virus - officer said that if the virus became _ officer said that if the virus became widespread, - officer said that if the virus became widespread, there | officer said that if the virus - became widespread, there were officer said that if the virus _ became widespread, there were plans in place _ became widespread, there were plans in place that— became widespread, there were plans in place that could _ became widespread, there were plans in place that could slow— became widespread, there were plans in place that could slow down - became widespread, there were plans in place that could slow down its - in place that could slow down its spread — in place that could slow down its spread that _ in place that could slow down its spread. that appears _ in place that could slow down its spread. that appears to - in place that could slow down its spread. that appears to be - in place that could slow down its spread. that appears to be a - spread. that appears to be a reference _ spread. that appears to be a reference to _ spread. that appears to be a reference to infection - spread. that appears to be a| reference to infection control spread. that appears to be a i reference to infection control as opposed — reference to infection control as opposed to _ reference to infection control as opposed to vaccination - reference to infection control as opposed to vaccination or- reference to infection control as . opposed to vaccination or anti—viral law therapeutics. _ opposed to vaccination or anti—viral law therapeutics. yes. _ opposed to vaccination or anti—viral law therapeutics. yes. what - opposed to vaccination or anti—viral law therapeutics. yes. what did - opposed to vaccination or anti—virall law therapeutics. yes. what did you understand — law therapeutics. yes. what did you understand that _ law therapeutics. yes. what did you understand that reference _ law therapeutics. yes. what did you understand that reference to - law therapeutics. yes. what did you understand that reference to plans. understand that reference to plans in place _ understand that reference to plans in place to — understand that reference to plans in place to be? _ understand that reference to plans in place to be? and _ understand that reference to plans in place to be? and i— understand that reference to plans in place to be? and i should - understand that reference to plans in place to be? and i should say, l in place to be? and i should say, obviously. — in place to be? and i should say, obviously. i— in place to be? and i should say, obviously. i am _ in place to be? and i should say, obviously, i am asking _ in place to be? and i should say, obviously, i am asking you - in place to be? and i should say, obviously, i am asking you about these _ obviously, i am asking you about these minutes. _ obviously, i am asking you about these minutes. we _ obviously, i am asking you about these minutes. we have - obviously, i am asking you about these minutes. we have no- obviously, i am asking you about these minutes. we have no wayl these minutes. we have no way of knowing _ these minutes. we have no way of knowing how— these minutes. we have no way of knowing how accurately _ these minutes. we have no way of knowing how accurately they - knowing how accurately they reflected _ knowing how accurately they reflected the _ knowing how accurately they reflected the debate. - knowing how accurately they reflected the debate. i- knowing how accurately they reflected the debate.- knowing how accurately they reflected the debate. i think we should expect _ reflected the debate. i think we should expect them _ reflected the debate. i think we should expect them to - reflected the debate. i think we should expect them to be - reflected the debate. i think we i should expect them to be accurate inasmuch as they are summaries. but i don't specifically know what the cmo was referring to. nevertheless, at this point, we were starting to consider the sorts of mpi —type measures that were then later worked on by sage ahead of its paper on the 26. where you? you specifically recall them working on mpi is on the 14th of february? at that point, in the middle of february, that is my recollection. i don't know whether there is any paperwork, but i remember thinking we are in the health department, and there is a load of work and all sorts of things not to do with us. the first papers on this that came to ministers came from the cabinet office.— on this that came to ministers came from the cabinet office. indeed. and the were, from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were. as _ from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were. as you — from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were, as you rightly _ from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were, as you rightly say, - from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were, as you rightly say, the i they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not— they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not the — they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not the 26, _ they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not the 26, but— they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not the 26, but they- they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not the 26, but they were i 23rd not the 26, but they were debated — 23rd not the 26, but they were debated at— 23rd not the 26, but they were debated at great _ 23rd not the 26, but they were debated at great length - 23rd not the 26, but they were debated at great length in - 23rd not the 26, but they werel debated at great length in sage around — debated at great length in sage around the _ debated at great length in sage around the time _ debated at great length in sage around the time period - debated at great length in sage around the time period you - debated at great length in sage i around the time period you have indicated — around the time period you have indicated. but— around the time period you have indicated. butjust _ around the time period you have indicated. butjust coming - around the time period you have indicated. butjust coming backl around the time period you have i indicated. butjust coming back to the position— indicated. butjust coming back to the position now, _ indicated. butjust coming back to the position now, mid—february, i indicated. but just coming back to i the position now, mid—february, and in the _ the position now, mid—february, and in the context— the position now, mid—february, and in the context of— the position now, mid—february, and in the context of sage _ the position now, mid—february, and in the context of sage having - in the context of sage having appreciated _ in the context of sage having appreciated that— in the context of sage having appreciated that china - in the context of sage having appreciated that china had i in the context of sage having - appreciated that china had failed to contain _ appreciated that china had failed to contain covid—19,— appreciated that china had failed to contain covid—19, although - appreciated that china had failed to contain covid—19, although there i appreciated that china had failed to contain covid—19, although there is| contain covid—19, although there is a reference — contain covid—19, although there is a reference to _ contain covid—19, although there is a reference to plans _ contain covid—19, although there is a reference to plans in _ contain covid—19, although there is a reference to plans in place - contain covid—19, although there is a reference to plans in place in i contain covid—19, although there is a reference to plans in place in the| a reference to plans in place in the context _ a reference to plans in place in the context of— a reference to plans in place in the context of infection _ a reference to plans in place in the context of infection control, - a reference to plans in place in the context of infection control, the i context of infection control, the measures— context of infection control, the measures for— context of infection control, the measures for infection - context of infection control, the measures for infection control. context of infection control, the i measures for infection control were not even _ measures for infection control were not even debated _ measures for infection control were not even debated at _ measures for infection control were not even debated at sage _ measures for infection control were not even debated at sage until- measures for infection control were not even debated at sage until thel not even debated at sage until the 24th or— not even debated at sage until the 24th or 26th— not even debated at sage until the 24th or 26th of— not even debated at sage until the 24th or 26th of february. - not even debated at sage until the 24th or 26th of february. the i not even debated at sage until the. 24th or 26th of february. the action plan 24th or 26th of february. the action pian which _ 24th or 26th of february. the action pian which you — 24th or 26th of february. the action plan which you commissioned - 24th or 26th of february. the action plan which you commissioned on i 24th or 26th of february. the action| plan which you commissioned on the 10th of— plan which you commissioned on the 10th of february _ plan which you commissioned on the 10th of february wasn't _ plan which you commissioned on the 10th of february wasn't published i 10th of february wasn't published until the — 10th of february wasn't published until the 3rd _ 10th of february wasn't published until the 3rd of— 10th of february wasn't published until the 3rd of march, _ 10th of february wasn't published until the 3rd of march, and - 10th of february wasn't published until the 3rd of march, and as- 10th of february wasn't published until the 3rd of march, and as far| until the 3rd of march, and as far as we _ until the 3rd of march, and as far as we can — until the 3rd of march, and as far as we can tell, _ until the 3rd of march, and as far as we can tell, there _ until the 3rd of march, and as far as we can tell, there were - until the 3rd of march, and as far as we can tell, there were no- until the 3rd of march, and as far. as we can tell, there were no plans for expressiy, _ as we can tell, there were no plans for expressly, except— as we can tell, there were no plans for expressly, except everything i as we can tell, there were no plans. for expressly, except everything you said about _ for expressly, except everything you said about back— for expressly, except everything you said about back scenes _ for expressly, except everything you said about back scenes and - said about back scenes and everything _ said about back scenes and everything you _ said about back scenes and everything you had - said about back scenes and everything you had done i said about back scenes and . everything you had done with said about back scenes and - everything you had done with the dhc, _ everything you had done with the dhc. there — everything you had done with the dhc, there was _ everything you had done with the dhc, there was nothing - everything you had done with the dhc, there was nothing on - everything you had done with the i dhc, there was nothing on infection controi~ _ dhc, there was nothing on infection controi~ it— dhc, there was nothing on infection control. ., , ., ., ., control. it would be wrong to task the dhs see _ control. it would be wrong to task the dhs see an _ control. it would be wrong to task the dhs see an apology _ control. it would be wrong to task the dhs see an apology sees i control. it would be wrong to task i the dhs see an apology sees outside of its remit. i’m the dhs see an apology sees outside of its remit. �* ., ., ,~' the dhs see an apology sees outside of its remit-— of its remit. i'm not asking you to take responsibility _ of its remit. i'm not asking you to take responsibility for _ of its remit. i'm not asking you to take responsibility for it. - of its remit. i'm not asking you to take responsibility for it. on i of its remit. i'm not asking you to take responsibility for it. on the l take responsibility for it. on the contra , take responsibility for it. on the contrary. my — take responsibility for it. on the contrary, my recollection - take responsibility for it. on the contrary, my recollection is i take responsibility for it. on the contrary, my recollection is thatj take responsibility for it. on the i contrary, my recollection is that we did take responsibility for it. we did take responsibility for it. we did work that was out of our remit. i think it was the secretary of state though who said that too much was asked of the dhs see. i think that was a reasonable presumption because it wasn't happening elsewhere. because it wasn't happening elsewhere-— because it wasn't happening elsewhere. ., , ., ~ ., elsewhere. what plans work for infection control _ elsewhere. what plans work for infection control were _ elsewhere. what plans work for infection control were in - elsewhere. what plans work for infection control were in next i infection control were in next resistance _ infection control were in next resistance at _ infection control were in next resistance at this _ infection control were in next resistance at this date, - infection control were in next resistance at this date, the i infection control were in next. resistance at this date, the 14th infection control were in next- resistance at this date, the 14th of february. — resistance at this date, the 14th of february. mr— resistance at this date, the 14th of february, mr hancock? _ resistance at this date, the 14th of february, mr hancock? the- resistance at this date, the 14th of february, mr hancock?— resistance at this date, the 14th of february, mr hancock? the plans in lace at february, mr hancock? the plans in place at this — february, mr hancock? the plans in place at this point, _ february, mr hancock? the plans in place at this point, was _ february, mr hancock? the plans in place at this point, was still- february, mr hancock? the plans in place at this point, was still based l place at this point, was still based on the 2011 strategy, as updated by the work that had been done on the contain delay mitigated strategy. the 2011 strategy was still maintaining _ the 2011 strategy was still maintaining its... - the 2011 strategy was still maintaining its... it- the 2011 strategy was still maintaining its... it was i the 2011 strategy was still i maintaining its... it was still having — maintaining its... it was still having an _ maintaining its... it was still having an influence. - maintaining its... it was still having an influence. what, i maintaining its... it was stilli having an influence. what, in maintaining its... it was still- having an influence. what, in hard copy— having an influence. what, in hard copy or— having an influence. what, in hard copy or e-maii_ having an influence. what, in hard copy or e—mail where _ having an influence. what, in hard copy or e—mail where the - having an influence. what, in hard copy or e—mail where the plans i having an influence. what, in hard| copy or e—mail where the plans for infection— copy or e—mail where the plans for infection control— copy or e—mail where the plans for infection control on _ copy or e—mail where the plans for infection control on the _ copy or e—mail where the plans for infection control on the 14th - copy or e—mail where the plans for infection control on the 14th of i infection control on the 14th of february? _ infection control on the 14th of february?— infection control on the 14th of february? infection control on the 14th of februa ? , , ., ., february? yes, so, they would have been based. — february? yes, so, they would have been based, again, _ february? yes, so, they would have been based, again, on _ february? yes, so, they would have been based, again, on that - february? yes, so, they would have been based, again, on that plan. i february? yes, so, they would have| been based, again, on that plan. but that plan was not focused on overall slowing the spread of the virus. thank you. as the secretary of state for health, _ thank you. as the secretary of state for health, you — thank you. as the secretary of state for health, you have _ thank you. as the secretary of state for health, you have to _ thank you. as the secretary of state i for health, you have to acknowledge, mr hancock, — for health, you have to acknowledge, mr hancock, that _ for health, you have to acknowledge, mr hancock, that by— for health, you have to acknowledge, mr hancock, that by the _ for health, you have to acknowledge, mr hancock, that by the 14th - for health, you have to acknowledge, mr hancock, that by the 14th of - mr hancock, that by the 14th of february. — mr hancock, that by the 14th of february, there _ mr hancock, that by the 14th of february, there was _ mr hancock, that by the 14th of february, there was still- mr hancock, that by the 14th of february, there was still no i mr hancock, that by the 14th of i february, there was still no plans for infection — february, there was still no plans for infection control— february, there was still no plans for infection control in _ february, there was still no plans for infection control in existence. | for infection control in existence. there _ for infection control in existence. there was— for infection control in existence. there was a _ for infection control in existence. there was a 2011— for infection control in existence. there was a 2011 strategy- for infection control in existence. there was a 2011 strategy report. you have _ there was a 2011 strategy report. you have to — there was a 2011 strategy report. you have to be — there was a 2011 strategy report. you have to be fair _ there was a 2011 strategy report. you have to be fair that - there was a 2011 strategy report. you have to be fair that you i you have to be fair that you commissioned _ you have to be fair that you commissioned a _ you have to be fair that you commissioned a battle i you have to be fair that you i commissioned a battle plan, but nothing — commissioned a battle plan, but nothing had _ commissioned a battle plan, but nothing had been _ commissioned a battle plan, but nothing had been committed i commissioned a battle plan, but nothing had been committed toi commissioned a battle plan, but- nothing had been committed to paper, had it? _ nothing had been committed to paper, had it? the— nothing had been committed to paper, had it? ., , ., ~ ., ., had it? the early work on that battle plan — had it? the early work on that battle plan had, _ had it? the early work on that battle plan had, but _ had it? the early work on that battle plan had, but if- had it? the early work on that battle plan had, but if your. had it? the early work on that i battle plan had, but if your point is, was enough going on, absolutely not. to the degree that there was something going on, it was clearly, it was clearly not enough. i cannot speak to what was clearly their own paper without you bringing it to my attention. i paper without you bringing it to my attention. �* , ., ., . attention. i can't prove an absence, can i? attention. i can't prove an absence, can i? you — attention. i can't prove an absence, can i? you understand _ attention. i can't prove an absence, can i? you understand the - attention. i can't prove an absence, | can i? you understand the question. on page _ can i? you understand the question. on page six. — can i? you understand the question. on page six. to— can i? you understand the question. on page six. to go— can i? you understand the question. on page six, to go back— can i? you understand the question. on page six, to go back one - can i? you understand the question. on page six, to go back one page, i on page six, to go back one page, the prime — on page six, to go back one page, the prime minister, _ on page six, to go back one page, the prime minister, in _ on page six, to go back one page, the prime minister, in the - on page six, to go back one page, the prime minister, in the context| the prime minister, in the context of the _ the prime minister, in the context of the messaging _ the prime minister, in the context of the messaging so _ the prime minister, in the context of the messaging so far, - the prime minister, in the context of the messaging so far, had i the prime minister, in the context of the messaging so far, had said| the prime minister, in the context. of the messaging so far, had said he believed _ of the messaging so far, had said he believed it _ of the messaging so far, had said he believed it struck _ of the messaging so far, had said he believed it struck the _ of the messaging so far, had said he believed it struck the right _ of the messaging so far, had said he believed it struck the right balance l believed it struck the right balance in preparing — believed it struck the right balance in preparing the _ believed it struck the right balance in preparing the public— believed it struck the right balance in preparing the public for- believed it struck the right balance in preparing the public for what i in preparing the public for what might— in preparing the public for what might happen _ in preparing the public for what might happen and _ in preparing the public for what might happen and not - in preparing the public for what might happen and not causing. might happen and not causing unnecessary— might happen and not causing unnecessary alarm. _ might happen and not causing unnecessary alarm. can - might happen and not causing unnecessary alarm. can you i might happen and not causing i unnecessary alarm. can you recall, from _ unnecessary alarm. can you recall, from your— unnecessary alarm. can you recall, from your attendance _ unnecessary alarm. can you recall, from your attendance at _ unnecessary alarm. can you recall, from your attendance at the - unnecessary alarm. can you recall, i from your attendance at the meeting, to what _ from your attendance at the meeting, to what extent — from your attendance at the meeting, to what extent the _ from your attendance at the meeting, to what extent the cabinet _ from your attendance at the meeting, to what extent the cabinet and - from your attendance at the meeting, to what extent the cabinet and the i to what extent the cabinet and the prime _ to what extent the cabinet and the prime minister— to what extent the cabinet and the prime minister was _ to what extent the cabinet and the prime minister was still— to what extent the cabinet and the prime minister was still concerned | prime minister was still concerned about— prime minister was still concerned about being — prime minister was still concerned about being accused _ prime minister was still concerned about being accused of— prime minister was still concerned i about being accused of overreaction and alarmism? _ about being accused of overreaction and alarmism?_14th i about being accused of overreaction| and alarmism?_14th of and alarmism? which state? 14th of februa . and alarmism? which state? 14th of february- that _ and alarmism? which state? 14th of february. that was _ and alarmism? which state? 14th of february. that was alive _ february. that was alive consideration _ february. that was alive consideration all- february. that was alive consideration all the i february. that was alive | consideration all the way february. that was alive - consideration all the way through. in summing up on page eight, the prime— in summing up on page eight, the prime minister— in summing up on page eight, the prime minister noted _ in summing up on page eight, the prime minister noted that- in summing up on page eight, the prime minister noted that he i in summing up on page eight, the prime minister noted that he wasl prime minister noted that he was grateful— prime minister noted that he was grateful to— prime minister noted that he was grateful to you _ prime minister noted that he was grateful to you and _ prime minister noted that he was grateful to you and to _ prime minister noted that he was grateful to you and to your - grateful to you and to your department— grateful to you and to your department for— grateful to you and to your department for your- grateful to you and to your department for your workl grateful to you and to your i department for your work and in particular— department for your work and in particular forgetting _ department for your work and in particular forgetting the - department for your work and in particular forgetting the balancej department for your work and in i particular forgetting the balance of communications _ particular forgetting the balance of communications rate. _ particular forgetting the balance of communications rate. there - particular forgetting the balance of communications rate. there was. communications rate. there was potential— communications rate. there was potential for _ communications rate. there was potential for the _ communications rate. there was potential for the virus— communications rate. there was potential for the virus to - communications rate. there was potential for the virus to have i communications rate. there was potential for the virus to have ai potential for the virus to have a large _ potential for the virus to have a large impact _ potential for the virus to have a large impact on _ potential for the virus to have a large impact on the _ potential for the virus to have a large impact on the united i potential for the virus to have a i large impact on the united kingdom economy— large impact on the united kingdom economy and — large impact on the united kingdom economy and it _ large impact on the united kingdom economy and it was _ large impact on the united kingdom economy and it was important - large impact on the united kingdom economy and it was important to i large impact on the united kingdom economy and it was important to bej economy and it was important to be ready— economy and it was important to be ready for— economy and it was important to be ready for that — you don't appear to have said in turns— you don't appear to have said in turns to — you don't appear to have said in turns to the _ you don't appear to have said in turns to the prime _ you don't appear to have said in turns to the prime minister i you don't appear to have said in turns to the prime minister and | you don't appear to have said in i turns to the prime minister and your cabinet _ turns to the prime minister and your cabinet colleagues, _ turns to the prime minister and your cabinet colleagues, containment i turns to the prime minister and your| cabinet colleagues, containment has been lost, _ cabinet colleagues, containment has been lost, china _ cabinet colleagues, containment has been lost, china has— cabinet colleagues, containment has been lost, china has given _ cabinet colleagues, containment has been lost, china has given up - cabinet colleagues, containment has been lost, china has given up or- cabinet colleagues, containment has been lost, china has given up or has| been lost, china has given up or has lost the _ been lost, china has given up or has lost the fight — been lost, china has given up or has lost the fight to _ been lost, china has given up or has lost the fight to contain _ lost the fight to contain coronavirus _ lost the fight to contain coronavirus19, - lost the fight to contain coronavirus19, we i lost the fight to contain| coronavirus 19, we have lost the fight to contain . coronavirus19, we have no lost the fight to contain _ coronavirus19, we have no practical measures_ coronaviru519, we have no practical measures for— coronaviru519, we have no practical measures for control, _ coronavirus19, we have no practical measures for control, infection - measures for control, infection control — measures for control, infection control there _ measures for control, infection control. there is— measures for control, infection control. there is no— measures for control, infection control. there is no test- measures for control, infection control. there is no test and l measures for control, infection - control. there is no test and trace system _ control. there is no test and trace system capable _ control. there is no test and trace system capable of— control. there is no test and trace system capable of dealing - control. there is no test and trace system capable of dealing with - control. there is no test and trace system capable of dealing with the problem _ system capable of dealing with the problem and _ system capable of dealing with the problem. and there _ system capable of dealing with the problem. and there are _ system capable of dealing with the problem. and there are still- system capable of dealing with the problem. and there are still no - problem. and there are still no plans— problem. and there are still no plans in— problem. and there are still no plans in existence _ problem. and there are still no plans in existence for- problem. and there are still no plans in existence for providing problem. and there are still no - plans in existence for providing any kind of— plans in existence for providing any kind of practical— plans in existence for providing any kind of practical support _ plans in existence for providing any kind of practical support in - plans in existence for providing any kind of practical support in terms . kind of practical support in terms of countermeasures. _ kind of practical support in terms of countermeasures. why- kind of practical support in terms of countermeasures. why did - kind of practical support in terms| of countermeasures. why did you kind of practical support in terms - of countermeasures. why did you not say those _ of countermeasures. why did you not say those things? _ of countermeasures. why did you not say those things? that _ of countermeasures. why did you not say those things?— say those things? that is not howl would characterise _ say those things? that is not how i would characterise the _ say those things? that is not how i would characterise the situation. i would characterise the situation. the
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